Whats the difference? diff the following first
1) Kernel differences that end user can feel 2) Distribution differences and lack or advantage of software.
I'm currently using ubuntu and I'm very happy with it. It has all things which Debian's side of Gnu/Linux can give, and its working fine with lots of newbie/intermediate user friendly documentation.
I read many flame of Linux vs BSD and flamers seem to be supporting BSD,
Should i install BSD flavor and try it? will it just work like ubuntu (Automatix, wiki.ubuntu.com)?
Revant
On 12/8/05, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com wrote:
Whats the difference? diff the following first
- Kernel differences that end user can feel
- Distribution differences and lack or advantage of software.
I'm currently using ubuntu and I'm very happy with it. It has all things which Debian's side of Gnu/Linux can give, and its working fine with lots of newbie/intermediate user friendly documentation.
I read many flame of Linux vs BSD and flamers seem to be supporting BSD,
Should i install BSD flavor and try it? will it just work like ubuntu (Automatix, wiki.ubuntu.com)?
http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php I hope this link can help you a little bit. I am willing to try FreeBSD too. But, not right now as I have just installed debian linux. I will most probably try FreeBSD next month or so. If you do try it out before do tell me about it.
I'll be trying Something other that Gnu/Linux, I think in BSD i wont face any problems,
I'll be risking my comp further and i'll be trying GNU/HURD, Its like extreme sports!
revant
Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
I'll be trying Something other that Gnu/Linux, I think in BSD i wont face any problems,
I'll be risking my comp further and i'll be trying GNU/HURD, Its like extreme sports!
Be aware, GNU/HURD does not have Serial ATA hdd support as yet.
Regards,
On 12/8/05, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com wrote:
I'll be trying Something other that Gnu/Linux, I think in BSD i wont face any problems,
I'll be risking my comp further and i'll be trying GNU/HURD, Its like extreme sports!
You better have some books or documents around in case something goes wrong or you get stuck somewhere. I have seen FreeBSD partitioning tool its very different than linux fdisk or any other partitioning tool.
I'll be risking my comp further and i'll be trying GNU/HURD, Its like extreme sports!
This may actually be less risky than BSD. If you are using the Debian-base binary HURD distro you should be quite at home.
As Dinesh found out first-hand the most important part of trying any new OS is getting the harddisk partitions and naming conventions right - read it over and over a zillion times and take notes(seriously) before you begin.
- farazs
first thing is I'll be using blank, unpartitioned, virgin, harddisk. (no data to loose)
Ubuntu live CD on which I can access net will be for the rescue and it will keep me connected with google and you guys!
revant
OK i changed my mind after I emailed that message and I was desperate to try HURD, so I resized my fat partition and created some real estate for hurd on the same hd, I was successful, because i can send messages again from same ubuntu without messing any current files
revant
On 12/8/05, Faraz Shahbazker faraz.shahbazker@gmail.com wrote:
Ahem!!! And I thought *someone* was into Xtreme sports. Guys do you think we actually scared him into playing tennis or wot???
I think softball rather than tennis
Just kidding
On Thursday 08 December 2005 08:37, (रेवंत) Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
Whats the difference? diff the following first
- Kernel differences that end user can feel
- Distribution differences and lack or advantage of software.
I'm currently using ubuntu and I'm very happy with it. It has all things which Debian's side of Gnu/Linux can give, and its working fine with lots of newbie/intermediate user friendly documentation.
I read many flame of Linux vs BSD and flamers seem to be supporting BSD,
Should i install BSD flavor and try it? will it just work like ubuntu (Automatix, wiki.ubuntu.com)?
Personally, I say use whatever suits you best. Don't go in just cuz you think it's gonna make you seem more "1337". As far as the Linux vs BSD "flames" go, well I can say only one thing - Each system has its advantages and disadvantages. Performance wise Linux and BSD are more or less on par. But what we see factually is Linux has a more wider acceptance and audience. Not going into the details, I would like to tell you that my experience with Linux has been fantastic. While my experience with BSD (i.e. FreeBSD) has been pathetic. It's installer was buggy and it destroyed all partitions on all physical drives in my computer. This was even though I had reserved a separate 10GB physically independent harddrive for it.
It took about 10 days of 16-20hrs per day of gruelling computer forensics and recovery to get back all data from my 140GB (120 + 20) corrupted partitions. It was complicated as hell. BTW Knoppix had come to my rescue back then :). I am still lost for an answer as to why FreeBSD did what it did to my system. Perhaps it didn't want to run along side Linux, Windows, FreeBSD. When it comes to drivers FreeBSD sucks. Doesn't have enough drivers to support a wide variety of hardware.
But then those who do manage to get FreeBSD working with their systems, swear by it. It's supposed to be "rock solid". Evidence of this was obvious when Apple decided that they would dump their own core and instead put the little devil incharge of their OS ;)
I like my humble little Linux. Its stable enough for me to swear by it :)
It took about 10 days of 16-20hrs per day of gruelling computer forensics and recovery to get back all data from my 140GB (120 + 20) corrupted partitions.
Dude I took that much time reading the docs before I actually installed (and you ask why it did what it did to you?).
If Ubuntu is *Linux for Human Beings* FreeBSD is the closest to a *BSD for Human Beings*. Yet 'tis more difficult than the geekiest Linux distros ... enjoy!!!
- farazs
On 12/8/05, Faraz Shahbazker faraz.shahbazker@gmail.com wrote:
Dude I took that much time reading the docs before I actually installed (and you ask why it did what it did to you?).
Uh....lol. I had read up on the release notes and searched around for bugs. But my mistake was to trust the latest _stable_ release. At that time it was 5.2.1. Dunno, whats the latest.
I had also read up 2 or 3 installation notes online. My production machine is very valuable and thats why I chose to install it on a _fresh_, _physically independent_ harddrive. I always fret about installing stuff on different partitions.
I dont clearly remember what options I had chosen but I do clearly remember telling FreeBSD to use my 10GB harddisk and automatically select the partitioning scheme. I remember _double checking_ the selected harddrive's capacity (had 10G, 20G and 120G HDDs back then). I also remember asking it to load the bootloader on the first sector of ITS harddisk and not the pri-master.
And being an experienced Linux user, I know how to install stuff :) Unfortunately, I was out of luck since the installer itself was borked. It corrupted my harddisks badly :'(
If Ubuntu is *Linux for Human Beings* FreeBSD is the closest to a *BSD for Human Beings*. Yet 'tis more difficult than the geekiest Linux distros ... enjoy!!!
Flame bait! :P
-- Dinesh A. Joshi
On 12/9/05, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
And being an experienced Linux user, I know how to install stuff :) Unfortunately, I was out of luck since the installer itself was borked. It corrupted my harddisks badly :'(
Sorry ... didn't mean to offend you. But my point is exactly that BSD ain't straightforward even for an experienced Linux user like yourself. I know it wasn't easy for me.
If Ubuntu is *Linux for Human Beings* FreeBSD is the closest to a *BSD for Human Beings*. Yet 'tis more difficult than the geekiest Linux distros ... enjoy!!!
Flame bait! :P
I didn't imply that this is a bad thing. IMO this is good ... makes life interesting. Generally ease of use is a subjective thing ... but I hope that when comparing _FreeBSD_ with _Ubuntu_ we can reach an objective conclusion. That said I really don't like playing with fire ... so this is where I shut-up for good.
- farazs
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