Dear luggers !!!
This is to inform you all that the Bombay High Court hasvse decided to have the computerisation of the activities of the Judiciary in Maharashtra on a Linux platform. As part of a recently initiated computerisation programme of all the subordinate courts of the Metropolitan area of Mumbai we are going to use Red Hat 7.3. For the last 3 years we are using a Red hat E-Mail server in the High Court. Also all District Courts in the State use a Slackware version of Linux on their systems.
We have specific interest in issues relating to the following under Linux : a) Support for old binaries ( SCO Unix Sys V/ Xenix ). We have used old ibcs as well as present linux-abi modules to get some of our application running with a big load of users accessing the same.
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely similar to the good old SCO Lyrix OR Uniplex wordprocessors. If someone has any suggestion on this it is welcome.
c) Method of printing simple text under Star office OR Open Office. This is linked to previous section subject.
d) Bilingual support. We are trying out Indix.
Lastly we would like some suggestions regarding a workshop we plan to hold for Judges ficers of the Courts sometime around Nov. 17-19. One session is planned on Linux and as the audience would be general users the presentations are proposed to be a of a general nature. I am contemplating getting either to get Red Hat technical persons to handle this OR may be any of you Luggers having the time !! Kindly feel free to mail me.
Regards - Mohan Krishnan Technical Director Computer Centre, High Court Mumbai - 400 032 Phone : 2676751
On Oct 23, 2002 at 12:06, P.V. Mohan Krishnan wrote:
a) Support for old binaries ( SCO Unix Sys V/ Xenix ). We have used old ibcs as well as present linux-abi modules to get some of our application running with a big load of users accessing the same.
Why do you need support for old binaries? It does not sound like you are using any legacy applications. Are you?
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely similar to the good old SCO Lyrix OR Uniplex wordprocessors. If someone has any suggestion on this it is welcome.
Try pico or nano (search google).
c) Method of printing simple text under Star office OR Open Office. This is linked to previous section subject.
Not really.
to hold for Judges ficers of the Courts sometime around Nov. 17-19. One session is planned on Linux and as the audience would be general users the presentations are proposed to be a of a general nature. I am contemplating getting either to get Red Hat technical persons to handle this OR may be any of you Luggers having the time !!
I'm sure luggers would be happy to help. It seems you'd want to show your end-users how to use applications -- email, word processing, that sort of thing. (Personally I like small groups <10 for this sort of thing, but since I am not in any way organising this, I have no say.)
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Satya satyap@satya.virtualave.net wrote:
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely similar to the good old SCO Lyrix OR Uniplex wordprocessors. If someone has any suggestion on this it is welcome.
Try pico or nano (search google).
Text editors are not word processors. Also, it won't be a good idea to try and make a text-editor some kind of a de-facto standard (not to mean that Satya implied this :-)
c) Method of printing simple text under Star office OR Open Office. This is linked to previous section subject.
Try text2latex http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/TeX/support/text2latex/sample/
It seems to be a nice thing. What can actually be done is that plain text be made the vehicle of all communication and where a printed copy is required, text2latex can be used. I don't know how the filter works but we may alias lpr to something like "text2latex | lpr" so that the pretty printing is taken care of transparently.
I'll try to get more knowledge about this, if you give me time (and, of course, if you like the idea).
On Oct 23, 2002 at 12:44, Tahir Hashmi wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Satya satyap@satya.virtualave.net wrote:
Text editors are not word processors. Also, it won't be a good idea to try and make a text-editor some kind of a de-facto standard (not to mean that Satya implied this :-)
Good point. But given the way most non-computer-savvy users seem to (ab)use word processors, pico/nano seem to be the simplest thing around. Philip's suggestion of jstar is also very sound.
but we may alias lpr to something like "text2latex | lpr" so that the pretty printing is taken care of transparently.
No need to alias it, just tell them that the print command is print foo and have print be a tiny script or alias that Does The Right Thing to foo.
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Satya satyap@satya.virtualave.net wrote:
Text editors are not word processors. Also, it won't be a good idea to try and make a text-editor some kind of a de-facto standard (not to mean that Satya implied this :-)
Good point. But given the way most non-computer-savvy users seem to (ab)use word processors, pico/nano seem to be the simplest thing around. Philip's suggestion of jstar is also very sound.
I couldn't find jstar on the web. I presume that many of the judges won't be already computer-savvy (aka "Windows Users"), so it'll be relatively easier to get them on to text editing than trying to convert people grown used to WPs ;-) Pico (or nano, haven't tried it but I take your word) seems to be a good choice to start with as long as the audience is told that more powerful but slightly difficult to learn alternatives exist, so that the brave and the curious might try them out.
Another thing to look for is spell-checking. I found that pico takes you around the file finding erroneous words in alphabetical order, rather than scanning the file from top to bottom like ispell and it doesn't seem to have an option for adding words to the dictionary.
but we may alias lpr to something like "text2latex | lpr" so that the pretty printing is taken care of transparently.
No need to alias it, just tell them that the print command is print foo and have print be a tiny script or alias that Does The Right Thing to foo.
Spot on! BTW, there are a lot many interesting things on http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/TeX/support/ and I found another script, txt2tex, doing a better job. It's good enough to convert raw plain text into something close to expectations, yet has enough under-the-hood stuff to enable tweaking (I'm thinking on the lines of a flatter learning curve than that of LaTeX itself).
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Tahir Hashmi wrote:
I couldn't find jstar on the web. I presume that many of the judges
http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=jstar&submit=Search+...
won't be already computer-savvy (aka "Windows Users"), so it'll be relatively easier to get them on to text editing than trying to
Actually it would be the court stenographer who uses it.
Another thing to look for is spell-checking. I found that pico takes you around the file finding erroneous words in alphabetical order,
When I used pico it scanned the file top to bottom. Same as in pine.
hey guys if court ppl want a workshop the audiance has to be very well understood ...
coz having a diverse genre audience can be a little troublesome ... like ppl to do with accts and ppl to do with documents/archiving cant be dealt with in same fashion
lawyers and judges again are from different genre
take care harsh --- Satya satyap@satya.virtualave.net wrote: > On Oct 23, 2002 at 12:44, Tahir Hashmi wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Satya satyap@satya.virtualave.net wrote:
Text editors are not word processors. Also, it
won't be a good idea to
try and make a text-editor some kind of a de-facto
standard (not to
mean that Satya implied this :-)
Good point. But given the way most non-computer-savvy users seem to (ab)use word processors, pico/nano seem to be the simplest thing around. Philip's suggestion of jstar is also very sound.
but we may alias lpr to something like "text2latex
| lpr" so that the
pretty printing is taken care of transparently.
No need to alias it, just tell them that the print command is print foo and have print be a tiny script or alias that Does The Right Thing to foo.
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--- Tahir Hashmi code_martial@softhome.net wrote: <snip/>
Text editors are not word processors.
<snip/> correct! here's an article "Word Processing and Text Processing" by Larry Ayers, available at http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue22/words.html,
hth to get the picture..
-shailesh
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Hello Mr. Mohan Krishnan,
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, P.V. Mohan Krishnan wrote:
Dear luggers !!!
This is to inform you all that the Bombay High Court hasvsedecided to have the computerisation of the activities of the Judiciary in Maharashtra on a Linux platform. As part of a recently initiated computerisation programme of all the subordinate courts of the Metropolitan area of Mumbai we are going to use Red Hat 7.3. For the last 3 years we are using a Red hat E-Mail server in the High Court. Also all District Courts in the State use a Slackware version of Linux on their systems.
It's good to know that our Judiciary setting a great precedent in using Free and Open Source softwares !!! After hearing this I feel there is still *hope* for India. :-)
We have specific interest in issues relating to the following under Linux : a) Support for old binaries ( SCO Unix Sys V/ Xenix ). We have used old ibcs as well as present linux-abi modules to get some of our application running with a big load of users accessing the same.
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely similar to the good old SCO Lyrix OR Uniplex wordprocessors. If someone has any suggestion on this it is welcome.
I have not seen or have any idea about Lyrix or Uniplex wordprocessors but have you ever evaluated EMACS or VIM?
Lastly we would like some suggestions regarding a workshop we plan to hold for Judges ficers of the Courts sometime around Nov. 17-19. One session is planned on Linux and as the audience would be general users the presentations are proposed to be a of a general nature. I am contemplating getting either to get Red Hat technical persons to handle this OR may be any of you Luggers having the time !! Kindly feel free to mail me.
We are always there to take this up as and when required. ASA your dates are firmed up let us know and we would provide the speakers and any other resources you may require.
Regards
- Mohan Krishnan Technical Director Computer Centre, High Court Mumbai - 400 032 Phone : 2676751
If you need to discuss any thing please feel free to call me on the numbers bellow.
With warm regards,
--- "P.V. Mohan Krishnan" mohan@hcbom.bom.nic.in wrote:
Dear luggers !!!
[snip] It is indeed a proud moment to hear that Gnu-Linux is making inroads into the Judicial Systems too.
We are here to help-guide-answer all your queries sir.
Besides...we will also conduct a small workshop for you all ....educating you about the different facets of Free Software and Gnu-Linux.
Will get back to you on the details.
Trevor
This is to inform you all that the BombayHigh Court hasvse decided to have the computerisation of the activities of the Judiciary in Maharashtra on a Linux platform. As part of a recently initiated computerisation programme of all the subordinate courts of the Metropolitan area of Mumbai we are going to use Red Hat 7.3. For the last 3 years we are using a Red hat E-Mail server in the High Court. Also all District Courts in the State use a Slackware version of Linux on their systems.
We have specific interest in issues relating to the following under Linux : a) Support for old binaries ( SCO Unix Sys V/ Xenix ). We have used old ibcs as well as present linux-abi modules to get some of our application running with a big load of users accessing the same.
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely similar to the good old SCO Lyrix OR Uniplex wordprocessors. If someone has any suggestion on this it is welcome.
c) Method of printing simple text under Star office OR Open Office. This is linked to previous section subject.
d) Bilingual support. We are trying out Indix.
Lastly we would like some suggestions regarding a workshop we plan to hold for Judges ficers of the Courts sometime around Nov. 17-19. One session is planned on Linux and as the audience would be general users the presentations are proposed to be a of a general nature. I am contemplating getting either to get Red Hat technical persons to handle this OR may be any of you Luggers having the time !! Kindly feel free to mail me.
Regards
- Mohan Krishnan Technical Director Computer Centre, High Court Mumbai - 400 032 Phone : 2676751
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----- Original Message ----- From: "P.V. Mohan Krishnan" mohan@hcbom.bom.nic.in To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Courts in Maharashtra to use Linux.
Dear luggers !!!
This is to inform you all that the Bombay High Court hasvsedecided to have the computerisation of the activities of the Judiciary in Maharashtra on a Linux platform. As part of a recently initiated computerisation programme of all the subordinate courts of the Metropolitan area of Mumbai we are going to use Red Hat 7.3. For the last 3 years we are using a Red hat E-Mail server in the High Court. Also all District Courts in the State use a Slackware version of Linux on their systems.
We have specific interest in issues relating to the following under Linux : a) Support for old binaries ( SCO Unix Sys V/ Xenix ). We have used old ibcs as well as present linux-abi modules to get some of our application running with a big load of users accessing the same.
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely similar to the good old SCO Lyrix OR Uniplex wordprocessors. If someone has any suggestion on this it is welcome.
c) Method of printing simple text under Star office OR Open Office. This is linked to previous section subject.
d) Bilingual support. We are trying out Indix.
Lastly we would like some suggestions regarding a workshop we plan to hold for Judges ficers of the Courts sometime around Nov. 17-19. One session is planned on Linux and as the audience would be general users the presentations are proposed to be a of a general nature. I am contemplating getting either to get Red Hat technical persons to handle this OR may be any of you Luggers having the time !! Kindly feel free to mail me.
*snip*
Dear Mr. Mohan, what you've written sounds very encouraging. I'll certainly like to be involved. As for the text editor is concerned... whats wrong with emacs?
Warm wishes,
-Amol Hatwar.
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, P.V. Mohan Krishnan wrote:
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely
have a look at jstar - it is similar to wordstar that we used to use on PCs in the days before Windows existed.
Philip
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 01:18:22PM +0530, Philip S Tellis wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, P.V. Mohan Krishnan wrote:
b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely
have a look at jstar - it is similar to wordstar that we used to use on PCs in the days before Windows existed.
I will say GNU/Emacs fits the bill very well. If you want font changes, underlinings, bold and italics you can get them in the enriched-mode. Using the macros and abbrevs will make the typists type at short hand speed. fI they need we can provide training.
Nagarjuna
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
enriched-mode. Using the macros and abbrevs will make the typists type at short hand speed. fI they need we can provide training.
I think we can organise a workshop for typists/stenographers, covering word processors - text based and gui based, and typesetting systems like tex/latex.
Philip
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:42:54 +0530 (IST) Philip S Tellis philip@konark.ncst.ernet.in wrote:
I think we can organise a workshop for typists/stenographers, covering word processors - text based and gui based, and typesetting systems like tex/latex.
You can count me in for Emacs-ispell-LaTeX, as long as we're having it on weekends.
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Satya -
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