----- Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)" journoshiv@yahoo.co.in wrote on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 -----
I had the opportunity to use this OS for the first time at the World Social Forum's Media Centre recently. I am no techie though I am interested in alternatives to proprietory software.
Hi Shiv Kumaar,
It would be really interesting to hear about your experience with GNU/Linux and other Open Source Software, especially since you are a first-time, non-technical user. Did you feel lost when using your computer? Were you able to navigate around the desktop with ease and get your work done without too much hassle? Did you have to ask for help often? What were the tasks that you wanted to do with your computer?
I just want to know how much easier it has become over the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
-Parul Mathur
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Parul.Mathur wrote:
I just want to know how much easier it has become over the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
Until PCs come with linux preinstalled, there will always be a barrier to cross. Installation of any operating system is tough. Most windows users have never installed windows in their lives and probably never will.
If faced with a preinstalled, preconfigured linux desktop, I do not think that there would be trouble except for the usual getting used to that has to be done when switching from one system to another. This is true of all systems, not just computers.
I too am interested in knowing what the newbie has to say.
Philip
aaah here's an opportunity for a total newbie to post!!! the first time I tried linux three yrs ago, the comp was so slow, I asked the cybercafe chap to assign me to a Windows machine. last week at the World Social Forum the Debian Knoppix (that's what I saw when the system booted) was sleek though several programs like firebird (i think) didn't work.
also i realize a non-techie shouldn't venture really deep in to the OS since it opens the code!!! maybe the programmers should have multiple options: the version for dummies and the one for techies right at the time of booting.....
as for installing linux, the garden variety of engineers who maintain machines, install pirated sofware, etc in Mumbai refuse to do it.....
shiv kumar
----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip S Tellis" philip.tellis@gmx.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: January 29, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Parul.Mathur wrote:
I just want to know how much easier it has become over the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
Until PCs come with linux preinstalled, there will always be a barrier to cross. Installation of any operating system is tough. Most windows users have never installed windows in their lives and probably never will.
If faced with a preinstalled, preconfigured linux desktop, I do not think that there would be trouble except for the usual getting used to that has to be done when switching from one system to another. This is true of all systems, not just computers.
I too am interested in knowing what the newbie has to say.
Philip
Sometime on Jan 29, Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)...:
as for installing linux, the garden variety of engineers who maintain machines, install pirated sofware, etc in Mumbai refuse to do it.....
depends which garden na? :) if you go to nice gardens, you will get nice people who will install and configure linux for you - for a small fee of course. Where are you situated?
Philip
Hi All, All of you must have heard of the eSys's cheap PC offer (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/434944.cms).
They come with Linux preinstalled. The times of india printed on 23rd Jan has the ad for the same alongwith the telephone numbers of dealers in Mumbai.
Can anybody find out the same printed ad and provide me number of dealer in Andheri/Goregaon? If anyone has bought the PC, it would be great to hear the review...
Thanks and Regards, Kiran Ghag Web Page: http://kiran7.freeservers.com
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I cannot affirm God if I fail to affirm man. Therefore, I affirm both. Without a belief in human unity I am hungry and incomplete. Human unity is the fulfillment of diversity. It is the harmony of opposites. It is a many-stranded texture, with color and depth. - Norman Cousins
K i r @ n G h a g wrote:
All of you must have heard of the eSys's cheap PC offer (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/434944.cms).
They come with Linux preinstalled. The times of india printed on 23rd Jan has the ad for the same alongwith the telephone numbers of dealers in Mumbai.
eSysPC has finally became a viable concept after 1.5 years of launching in India. It initially started off as a channel for the sales of hardware kits from eSys Singapore with PC assembly offloaded to local merchants. This was due to the fact that eSys' strength lay in sourcing hardware and not in PC sales. I wonder if that biz model has changed.
If someone has used it, I'd be interested to know more about the Linux distro it runs, and bundled apps, in addition to the final price tag "after sales tax and octroi".
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Clinton Goveas wrote:
If someone has used it, I'd be interested to know more about the Linux distro it runs, and bundled apps, in addition to the final price tag "after sales tax and octroi".
Also, does it include monitor, keyboard and mouse? Many PC manufacturers advertise the cost of the PC sans monitor.
Also, does it include monitor, keyboard and mouse? Many PC manufacturers advertise the cost of the PC sans monitor.
It is clearly mentioned in the article that the cost doesn't include monitor which is around 5K more.
» -----Original Message----- » From: linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in On Behalf Of Vinayakam Murugan » Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:14 AM » It is clearly mentioned in the article that the cost doesn't » include monitor » which is around 5K more.
Yes, I am aware of this. I have two monitors at home and hence no problem on this side. It would be just a cheaper upgrade for me. The print ads had mentioned (if i remember well) that the pcs would be containing celeron cpus. but also found on net that the pcs would be containing VIA processor. so i am confused about what is actually supplied.
and thanks to Rishi for the number. I'll be checking with that number soon. <curious>to know how do i do Justdial</curious>
Thanks and Regards, Kiran Ghag Web Page: http://kiran7.freeservers.com _____
I cannot affirm God if I fail to affirm man. Therefore, I affirm both. Without a belief in human unity I am hungry and incomplete. Human unity is the fulfillment of diversity. It is the harmony of opposites. It is a many-stranded texture, with color and depth. - Norman Cousins
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, K i r @ n G h a g wrote:
print ads had mentioned (if i remember well) that the pcs would be containing celeron cpus. but also found on net that the pcs would be containing VIA processor. so i am confused about what is actually
Hmm, it will probably be a VIA mobo/chipset with Celeron compatible Cyrix processor.
Philip
The eSys systems are original Intel Celeron under 10K with 128 MB RAM, 40GB HDD.
Previously they used to sell the VIA C3 processor based system but the current ad only offered Intel based systems.
Regards Prakash
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 14:01, Philip S Tellis wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, K i r @ n G h a g wrote:
print ads had mentioned (if i remember well) that the pcs would be containing celeron cpus. but also found on net that the pcs would be containing VIA processor. so i am confused about what is actually
Hmm, it will probably be a VIA mobo/chipset with Celeron compatible Cyrix processor.
Philip
-- Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write. -- Trollope
it was not difficult to adjust to linux. since i figured out early that the term browser cut across OSes :) :) then it was easy going.... also open office was similar to MS Office. the interface of debian knoppix (that's what it said when the computer booted) was quite friendly. very intuitive.
but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was troublesome. the live CD booted nicely, but there was no way i could connect to the net using the live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the ethernet card but didn't connect to the net. i got the msg:pppdaemon died unexpectedly.
the free distro also had a troublesome feature: "Help" caters to developers. "Yelp" seemed to be written half-heartedly for general users. how condescending.....
shiv kumar
----- Original Message ----- From: "Parul.Mathur" Parul.Mathur@rsystems.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: January 29, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself
----- Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)" journoshiv@yahoo.co.in wrote on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 -----
I had the opportunity to use this OS for the first time at the World Social Forum's Media Centre recently. I am no techie though I am interested in alternatives to proprietory software.
Hi Shiv Kumaar,
It would be really interesting to hear about your experience with GNU/Linux and other Open Source Software, especially since you are a first-time, non-technical user. Did you feel lost when using your computer? Were you able to navigate around the desktop with ease and get your work done without too much hassle? Did you have to ask for help often? What were the tasks that you wanted to do with your computer?
I just want to know how much easier it has become over the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
-Parul Mathur
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)" journoshiv@yahoo.co.in
but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was troublesome. the live CD booted nicely, but there was no way i could connect to the net using the live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the ethernet card but didn't connect to the net. i got the msg:pppdaemon died unexpectedly.
The Partecs Live Demo CD was a working one... It was actually Debian Morphix from the inside... and it could connect to the net easily from the CD itself... I myself was the volunteer incharge at the media centre at WSF... I dont remember you approached any volunteer for help. Our dhcp server was up and running... all u had to do is run "netcardconfig" and that's it... you could have insisted volunteers to make the CD work for you... plus mozilla firebird was bundled on the CD. So there should not have been any problem? Try it at ur home... I'm very much sure internet will work...
as for installing linux, the garden variety of engineers who maintain machines, install pirated sofware, etc in
Well, the buyers of new computers should be educated first... Most of the times it happens that the buyers say, "I WANT ALL THE SOFTWARES"... i've paid you 35000 Rs... and i want everything... what can the poor gardener engineers do?
Hey where is ur garden, maybe I can come there... what do you say?
rgds,
in fact a volunteer at the WSF helped me run the cd at the WSF media centre. but the media centre had a network connection. at home its dial up.
in fact the volunteer himself told me firebird is buggy and asked me to run mozilla instead.
as for getting engineers, i found a guy who can do it. i have postponed installation of linux for the moment 'cos i am buying a new computer.
i had earlier asked a couple of engineers who said they don't installed linux. not even if the cd was given to them. i can't risk doing it on my own cos i cannot afford to keep the computer down for long due to work considerations.
sk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Xterm" xterm@myrealbox.com To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: February 01, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)" journoshiv@yahoo.co.in
but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was troublesome. the live
CD
booted nicely, but there was no way i could connect to the net using the live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the ethernet
card
but didn't connect to the net. i got the msg:pppdaemon died
unexpectedly.
The Partecs Live Demo CD was a working one... It was actually Debian
Morphix
from the inside... and it could connect to the net easily from the CD itself... I myself was the volunteer incharge at the media centre at WSF... I dont remember you approached any volunteer for help. Our dhcp server was up and running... all u had to do is run "netcardconfig" and that's it... you
could
have insisted volunteers to make the CD work for you... plus mozilla firebird was bundled on the CD. So there should not have been any problem? Try it at ur home... I'm very much sure internet will work...
as for installing linux, the garden variety of engineers who maintain machines, install pirated sofware, etc in
Well, the buyers of new computers should be educated first... Most of the times it happens that the buyers say, "I WANT ALL THE SOFTWARES"... i've paid you 35000 Rs... and i want everything... what can the poor gardener engineers do?
Hey where is ur garden, maybe I can come there... what do you say?
rgds,
Evening Shiv,
Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile) said:
own cos i cannot afford to keep the computer down for long due to work considerations.
[snip]
Can you let us know where you stay shiv. Probably someone amoung us will be willing to come across towards helping you out.
Bye and take care Shiv.
Trevor
sk
Dear Shiv
The distribution that was used in the media centre was Gnoware Office which is based on Knoppix. The Partec CD is based on Morphix. We are in the process of updating and improving the Gnoware Office CD. We could send you a copy if you want.
Firebird is not buggy. Firebird uses the same engine that Mozilla uses. The difference is the User Interface. Most people prefer to use Firebird for browsing the net and Thunderbird for email.
You can use kppp or wvdial to connect to the internet. Where do you stay, I am pretty sure that some one who stays close to you could help you out. After Free Software is all about building communities :)
Regards Warren Brian Noronha warren@gnu.org.in
"Free Software, Free Society."
On Monday 02 Feb 2004 1:00 pm, Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile) wrote: | in fact a volunteer at the WSF helped me run the cd at the WSF media | centre. but the media centre had a network connection. at home its dial up. | | in fact the volunteer himself told me firebird is buggy and asked me to run | mozilla instead. | | as for getting engineers, i found a guy who can do it. i have postponed | installation of linux for the moment 'cos i am buying a new computer. | | i had earlier asked a couple of engineers who said they don't installed | linux. not even if the cd was given to them. i can't risk doing it on my | own cos i cannot afford to keep the computer down for long due to work | considerations. | | sk | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Xterm" xterm@myrealbox.com | To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in | Sent: February 01, 2004 10:35 PM | Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself | | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)" | > journoshiv@yahoo.co.in | > | > > but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was troublesome. the live | | CD | | > > booted nicely, but there was no way i could connect to the net using | > > the live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the | > > ethernet | | card | | > > but didn't connect to the net. i got the msg:pppdaemon died | | unexpectedly. | | > The Partecs Live Demo CD was a working one... It was actually Debian | | Morphix | | > from the inside... and it could connect to the net easily from the CD | > itself... I | > myself was the volunteer incharge at the media centre at WSF... I dont | > remember you approached any volunteer for help. Our dhcp server was up | > and running... all u had to do is run "netcardconfig" and that's it... | > you | | could | | > have insisted volunteers to make the CD work for you... plus mozilla | > firebird was bundled on the CD. So there should not have been any | > problem? Try it at ur home... I'm very much sure internet will work... | > | > > as for installing linux, the garden variety of engineers who maintain | > > machines, install pirated sofware, etc in | > | > Well, the buyers of new computers should be educated first... Most of the | > times it happens that the buyers say, "I WANT ALL THE SOFTWARES"... i've | > paid you 35000 Rs... and i want everything... what can the poor gardener | > engineers do? | > | > Hey where is ur garden, maybe I can come there... what do you say? | > | > rgds,
On Thursday 29 January 2004 11:02, Parul.Mathur wrote:
----- Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)" journoshiv@yahoo.co.in wrote on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 -----
I had the opportunity to use this OS for the first time at the World Social Forum's Media Centre recently. I am no techie though I am interested in alternatives to proprietory software.
Hi Shiv Kumaar,
It would be really interesting to hear about your experience with GNU/Linux and other Open Source Software, especially since you are a first-time, non-technical user.
You should have stopped your mail right here, so as to get the users response withpout bias. Appending your opinions in the form of questions will lead the respondent, substantially diminishing the respondents natural response.
Did you feel lost when using your computer? Were you able to navigate around the desktop with ease and get your work done without too much hassle? Did you have to ask for help often? What were the tasks that you wanted to do with your computer?
I just want to know how much easier it has become over the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
-Parul Mathur
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