29 Jan
2004
29 Jan
'04
4:32 p.m.
----- Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 \(mobile\)"
<journoshiv(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 -----
I had the opportunity to use this OS for
the first time at the World Social Forum's Media Centre recently. I am no
techie though I am interested in alternatives to proprietory software.
Hi Shiv Kumaar,
It would be really interesting to hear about your
experience with GNU/Linux and other Open Source Software,
especially since you are a first-time, non-technical
user. Did you feel lost when using your computer? Were
you able to navigate around the desktop with ease and get
your work done without too much hassle? Did you have to
ask for help often? What were the tasks that you wanted
to do with your computer?
I just want to know how much easier it has become over
the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux
desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
-Parul Mathur
29 Jan
29 Jan
5:13 p.m.
New subject: introducing myself
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Parul.Mathur wrote:
I just want to know how much easier it has become over
the years for a
total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux desktop, as opposed to the familiar
Microsoft one.
Until PCs come with linux preinstalled, there will always be a barrier
to cross. Installation of any operating system is tough. Most windows
users have never installed windows in their lives and probably never
will.
If faced with a preinstalled, preconfigured linux desktop, I do not
think that there would be trouble except for the usual getting used to
that has to be done when switching from one system to another. This is
true of all systems, not just computers.
I too am interested in knowing what the newbie has to say.
Philip
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5:52 p.m.
New subject: introducing myself
aaah here's an opportunity for a total newbie to post!!! the first time I
tried linux three yrs ago, the comp was so slow, I asked the cybercafe chap
to assign me to a Windows machine. last week at the World Social Forum the
Debian Knoppix (that's what I saw when the system booted) was sleek though
several programs like firebird (i think) didn't work.
also i realize a non-techie shouldn't venture really deep in to the OS since
it opens the code!!! maybe the programmers should have multiple options: the
version for dummies and the one for techies right at the time of
booting.....
as for installing linux, the garden variety of engineers who maintain
machines, install pirated sofware, etc in Mumbai refuse to do it.....
shiv kumar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip S Tellis" <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net>
To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in>
Sent: January 29, 2004 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Parul.Mathur wrote:
I just want to know how much easier it has become
over the years for a
total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux desktop, as opposed to the familiar
Microsoft one.
Until PCs come with linux preinstalled, there will always be a barrier
to cross. Installation of any operating system is tough. Most windows
users have never installed windows in their lives and probably never
will.
If faced with a preinstalled, preconfigured linux desktop, I do not
think that there would be trouble except for the usual getting used to
that has to be done when switching from one system to another. This is
true of all systems, not just computers.
I too am interested in knowing what the newbie has to say.
Philip
30 Jan
30 Jan
12:01 a.m.
New subject: introducing myself
Sometime on Jan 29, Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)...:
as for installing linux, the garden variety of
engineers who maintain
machines, install pirated sofware, etc in Mumbai refuse to do it.....
depends which garden na? :)
if you go to nice gardens, you will get nice people who will install and
configure linux for you - for a small fee of course. Where are you
situated?
Philip
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unfettered foot.
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9:55 a.m.
New subject: eSys PCs under 10K
Hi All,
All of you must have heard of the eSys's cheap PC offer
(http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/434944.cms).
They come with Linux preinstalled. The times of india printed on 23rd Jan
has the ad for the same alongwith the telephone numbers of dealers in
Mumbai.
Can anybody find out the same printed ad and provide me number of dealer in
Andheri/Goregaon?
If anyone has bought the PC, it would be great to hear the review...
Thanks and Regards,
Kiran Ghag
Web Page: http://kiran7.freeservers.com
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a many-stranded texture, with color and depth.
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10:36 a.m.
New subject: eSys PCs under 10K
K i r @ n G h a g wrote:
All of you must have heard of the eSys's cheap PC
offer
(http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/434944.cms).
They come with Linux preinstalled. The times of india printed on 23rd Jan
has the ad for the same alongwith the telephone numbers of dealers in
Mumbai.
eSysPC has finally became a viable concept after 1.5 years of launching
in India. It initially started off as a channel for the sales of
hardware kits from eSys Singapore with PC assembly offloaded to local
merchants. This was due to the fact that eSys' strength lay in sourcing
hardware and not in PC sales. I wonder if that biz model has changed.
If someone has used it, I'd be interested to know more about the Linux
distro it runs, and bundled apps, in addition to the final price tag
"after sales tax and octroi".
--
Clinton Goveas - http://www.clintongoveas.com
10:49 a.m.
New subject: eSys PCs under 10K
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Clinton Goveas wrote:
If someone has used it, I'd be interested to know
more about the Linux
distro it runs, and bundled apps, in addition to the final price tag
"after sales tax and octroi".
Also, does it include monitor, keyboard and mouse? Many PC
manufacturers advertise the cost of the PC sans monitor.
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11:14 a.m.
New subject: eSys PCs under 10K
Also, does it include monitor, keyboard and mouse?
Many PC
manufacturers advertise the cost of the PC sans monitor.
It is clearly mentioned in the article that the cost doesn't include monitor
which is around 5K more.
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1:40 p.m.
New subject: eSys PCs under 10K
» -----Original Message-----
» From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in On Behalf Of Vinayakam Murugan
» Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:14 AM
» It is clearly mentioned in the article that the cost doesn't
» include monitor
» which is around 5K more.
Yes, I am aware of this. I have two monitors at home and hence no problem on
this side. It would be just a cheaper upgrade for me.
The print ads had mentioned (if i remember well) that the pcs would be
containing celeron cpus. but also found on net that the pcs would be
containing VIA processor. so i am confused about what is actually supplied.
and thanks to Rishi for the number. I'll be checking with that number soon.
<curious>to know how do i do Justdial</curious>
Thanks and Regards,
Kiran Ghag
Web Page: http://kiran7.freeservers.com
_____
I cannot affirm God if I fail to affirm man. Therefore, I affirm both.
Without a belief in human unity I am hungry and incomplete. Human unity
is the fulfillment of diversity. It is the harmony of opposites. It is
a many-stranded texture, with color and depth.
- Norman Cousins
2:01 p.m.
New subject: eSys PCs under 10K
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, K i r @ n G h a g wrote:
print ads had mentioned (if i remember well) that the
pcs would be
containing celeron cpus. but also found on net that the pcs would be
containing VIA processor. so i am confused about what is actually
Hmm, it will probably be a VIA mobo/chipset with Celeron compatible
Cyrix processor.
Philip
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2:56 p.m.
New subject: eSys PCs under 10K
The eSys systems are original Intel Celeron under 10K with 128 MB RAM,
40GB HDD.
Previously they used to sell the VIA C3 processor based system but the
current ad only offered Intel based systems.
Regards
Prakash
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 14:01, Philip S Tellis wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, K i r @ n G h a g wrote:
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print ads had mentioned (if i remember well) that
the pcs would be
containing celeron cpus. but also found on net that the pcs would be
containing VIA processor. so i am confused about what is actually
Hmm, it will probably be a VIA mobo/chipset with Celeron compatible
Cyrix processor.
Philip
--
Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write.
-- Trollope 
29 Jan
29 Jan
6:13 p.m.
New subject: introducing myself
it was not difficult to adjust to linux. since i figured out early that the
term browser cut across OSes :) :) then it was easy going.... also open
office was similar to MS Office. the interface of debian knoppix (that's
what it said when the computer booted) was quite friendly. very intuitive.
but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was troublesome. the live CD
booted nicely, but there was no way i could connect to the net using the
live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the ethernet card
but didn't connect to the net. i got the msg:pppdaemon died unexpectedly.
the free distro also had a troublesome feature: "Help" caters to developers.
"Yelp" seemed to be written half-heartedly for general users. how
condescending.....
shiv kumar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Parul.Mathur" <Parul.Mathur(a)rsystems.com>
To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in>
Sent: January 29, 2004 4:32 PM
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself
----- Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 \(mobile\)"
<journoshiv(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 -----
I had the opportunity to use this OS for
the first time at the World Social Forum's Media Centre recently. I am no
techie though I am interested in alternatives to proprietory software.
Hi Shiv Kumaar,
It would be really interesting to hear about your
experience with GNU/Linux and other Open Source Software,
especially since you are a first-time, non-technical
user. Did you feel lost when using your computer? Were
you able to navigate around the desktop with ease and get
your work done without too much hassle? Did you have to
ask for help often? What were the tasks that you wanted
to do with your computer?
I just want to know how much easier it has become over
the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux
desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
-Parul Mathur
1 Feb
1 Feb
10:35 p.m.
New subject: introducing myself
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)"
<journoshiv(a)yahoo.co.in>
but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was
troublesome. the live CD
booted nicely, but there was no way i could connect to the net using the
live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the ethernet card
but didn't connect to the net. i got the msg:pppdaemon died unexpectedly.
The Partecs Live Demo CD was a working one... It was actually Debian Morphix
from the inside... and it could connect to the net easily from the CD
itself... I
myself was the volunteer incharge at the media centre at WSF... I dont
remember you approached any volunteer for help. Our dhcp server was up and
running... all u had to do is run "netcardconfig" and that's it... you
could
have insisted volunteers to make the CD work for you... plus mozilla
firebird was bundled on the CD. So there should not have been any problem?
Try it at ur home... I'm very much sure internet will work...
as for installing linux, the garden variety of
engineers who maintain
machines, install pirated sofware, etc in
Well, the buyers of new computers should be educated first... Most of the
times it happens that the buyers say, "I WANT ALL THE SOFTWARES"... i've
paid you 35000 Rs... and i want everything... what can the poor gardener
engineers do?
Hey where is ur garden, maybe I can come there... what do you say?
rgds,
2 Feb
2 Feb
6:30 p.m.
New subject: introducing myself
in fact a volunteer at the WSF helped me run the cd at the WSF media centre.
but the media centre had a network connection. at home its dial up.
in fact the volunteer himself told me firebird is buggy and asked me to run
mozilla instead.
as for getting engineers, i found a guy who can do it. i have postponed
installation of linux for the moment 'cos i am buying a new computer.
i had earlier asked a couple of engineers who said they don't installed
linux. not even if the cd was given to them. i can't risk doing it on my own
cos i cannot afford to keep the computer down for long due to work
considerations.
sk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Xterm" <xterm(a)myrealbox.com>
To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in>
Sent: February 01, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)"
<journoshiv(a)yahoo.co.in>
> but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was troublesome. the live
CD
> booted nicely, but there was no way i could
connect to the net using the
> live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the ethernet
card
> but didn't connect to the net. i got the
msg:pppdaemon died
unexpectedly.
The Partecs Live Demo CD was a working one... It was actually Debian
Morphix
from the inside... and it could connect to the net
easily from the CD
itself... I
myself was the volunteer incharge at the media centre at WSF... I dont
remember you approached any volunteer for help. Our dhcp server was up and
running... all u had to do is run "netcardconfig" and that's it... you
could
have insisted volunteers to make the CD work for
you... plus mozilla
firebird was bundled on the CD. So there should not have been any problem?
Try it at ur home... I'm very much sure internet will work...
as for installing linux, the garden variety of
engineers who maintain
machines, install pirated sofware, etc in
Well, the buyers of new computers should be educated first... Most of the
times it happens that the buyers say, "I WANT ALL THE SOFTWARES"... i've
paid you 35000 Rs... and i want everything... what can the poor gardener
engineers do?
Hey where is ur garden, maybe I can come there... what do you say?
rgds,
3 Feb
3 Feb
2:53 a.m.
New subject: introducing myself
Evening Shiv,
Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile) said:
own
cos i cannot afford to keep the computer down for long due to work
considerations.
[snip]
Can you let us know where you stay shiv. Probably someone amoung us will
be willing to come across towards helping you out.
Bye and take care Shiv.
Trevor
sk
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4 Feb
4 Feb
6:49 a.m.
New subject: introducing myself
Dear Shiv
The distribution that was used in the media centre was Gnoware Office which
is based on Knoppix. The Partec CD is based on Morphix. We are in the process
of updating and improving the Gnoware Office CD. We could send you a copy if
you want.
Firebird is not buggy. Firebird uses the same engine that Mozilla uses. The
difference is the User Interface. Most people prefer to use Firebird for
browsing the net and Thunderbird for email.
You can use kppp or wvdial to connect to the internet. Where do you stay, I
am pretty sure that some one who stays close to you could help you out. After
Free Software is all about building communities :)
Regards
Warren Brian Noronha
warren(a)gnu.org.in
"Free Software, Free Society."
On Monday 02 Feb 2004 1:00 pm, Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927
(mobile\) wrote:
| in fact a volunteer at the WSF helped me run the cd at the WSF media
| centre. but the media centre had a network connection. at home its dial up.
|
| in fact the volunteer himself told me firebird is buggy and asked me to run
| mozilla instead.
|
| as for getting engineers, i found a guy who can do it. i have postponed
| installation of linux for the moment 'cos i am buying a new computer.
|
| i had earlier asked a couple of engineers who said they don't installed
| linux. not even if the cd was given to them. i can't risk doing it on my
| own cos i cannot afford to keep the computer down for long due to work
| considerations.
|
| sk
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Xterm" <xterm(a)myrealbox.com>
| To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"
<linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in>
| Sent: February 01, 2004 10:35 PM
| Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RE: introducing myself
|
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927 (mobile)"
| > <journoshiv(a)yahoo.co.in>
| >
| > > but a free distro by partecs www.partecs.com was troublesome. the live
|
| CD
|
| > > booted nicely, but there was no way i could connect to the net using
| > > the live cd. clicked on Internet>PPPsomething which detected the
| > > ethernet
|
| card
|
| > > but didn't connect to the net. i got the msg:pppdaemon died
|
| unexpectedly.
|
| > The Partecs Live Demo CD was a working one... It was actually Debian
|
| Morphix
|
| > from the inside... and it could connect to the net easily from the CD
| > itself... I
| > myself was the volunteer incharge at the media centre at WSF... I dont
| > remember you approached any volunteer for help. Our dhcp server was up
| > and running... all u had to do is run "netcardconfig" and that's
it...
| > you
|
| could
|
| > have insisted volunteers to make the CD work for you... plus mozilla
| > firebird was bundled on the CD. So there should not have been any
| > problem? Try it at ur home... I'm very much sure internet will work...
| >
| > > as for installing linux, the garden variety of engineers who maintain
| > > machines, install pirated sofware, etc in
| >
| > Well, the buyers of new computers should be educated first... Most of the
| > times it happens that the buyers say, "I WANT ALL THE SOFTWARES"...
i've
| > paid you 35000 Rs... and i want everything... what can the poor gardener
| > engineers do?
| >
| > Hey where is ur garden, maybe I can come there... what do you say?
| >
| > rgds,
30 Jan
30 Jan
1:17 a.m.
New subject: introducing myself
On Thursday 29 January 2004 11:02, Parul.Mathur wrote:
----- Shiv Kumaar,91-22-28906693, 9820320927
\(mobile\)"
<journoshiv(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 -----
You should have stopped your mail right here, so as to get the users
response withpout bias.
Appending your opinions in the form of questions will lead the
respondent, substantially diminishing the respondents natural
response.
I had the opportunity to use this OS for
the first time at the World Social Forum's Media Centre recently.
I am no techie though I am interested in alternatives to
proprietory software.
Hi Shiv Kumaar,
It would be really interesting to hear about your
experience with GNU/Linux and other Open Source Software,
especially since you are a first-time, non-technical
user. Did you feel lost when using your computer? Were
you able to navigate around the desktop with ease and get
your work done without too much hassle? Did you have to
ask for help often? What were the tasks that you wanted
to do with your computer?
I just want to know how much easier it has become over
the years for a total newbie to accept a GNU/Linux
desktop, as opposed to the familiar Microsoft one.
-Parul Mathur
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