Hi,
How about having a tour around the city, visiting as many hardware assemblers and teaching them basic installation of linux (hope we agree on a distribution which we can install in front of them). My hardware vendor have engineers who are prety smart but have never used linux so do not know much about it and can not support my system. Since many assemblers take a risk by giving pirated softwares with their PC's they may like this idea. Also Linux will gain a upper hand in being the first OS that people get on their PC and problems with learning a new OS will not exist for linux anymore. We will be fighting propritary software right the at the root. The negative side will be that their software modems and printers (which are cheaper) will not make a market so they may even resist this. We also can ask them (the assemblers and the new users) to subscribe to our mailing list to ask for help. I would suggest an easy to use distribution like Mandrake, or caldera. I would really prefer caldera since it fits on a single CD and assemblers can easily provide a copy of with every comp they sell. Also caldera has limited number of applications, for example just 1-2 broswers, which can be quiet helpful for newbies to computers, also I have not heard a lot of flames for caldera as there are for RH and mandrake. On the other hand, Mr. Rajeev had a problem with Myson NIC which worked under Mandrake, but the kernel module would not compile under most of the other distributions.
This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all.
Bye
Excellent Idea! Tha concept of attacking at the root is great. It sounds mighty difficult to implement though. Regarding distributions, i think Redhat would win my vote. The main reasons would be 1) Extensive Hardware Support 2) RPM (It was built on RH) - Numerous applications available for install via RPM 3) Up2date 4) More online help forums for RH than any other distro. (also a very helpful IRC channel). 5) Very easy to work with, especially after bluecurve (I am not supportive of their idea of degrading KDE in the process of Unifying it with GNOME. However, the result is indeed quite beautiful) 6) Automatic Installation of New Kernel via up2date
These are the features that i think would be necessary for newbies which are covered in Redhat. Most experienced users might not need the above. Indeed, some might consider it a hindrance. But from the newbie point of view, features like Auto-Kernel update are very very helpful.
Just my two paise,
On Sunday 17 November 2002 02:00, mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
Hi,
How about having a tour around the city, visiting as many hardware assemblers and teaching them basic installation of linux (hope we agree on a distribution which we can install in front of them). My hardware vendor have engineers who are prety smart but have never used linux so do not know much about it and can not support my system. Since many assemblers take a risk by giving pirated softwares with their PC's they may like this idea. Also Linux will gain a upper hand in being the first OS that people get on their PC and problems with learning a new OS will not exist for linux anymore. We will be fighting propritary software right the at the root. The negative side will be that their software modems and printers (which are cheaper) will not make a market so they may even resist this. We also can ask them (the assemblers and the new users) to subscribe to our mailing list to ask for help. I would suggest an easy to use distribution like Mandrake, or caldera. I would really prefer caldera since it fits on a single CD and assemblers can easily provide a copy of with every comp they sell. Also caldera has limited number of applications, for example just 1-2 broswers, which can be quiet helpful for newbies to computers, also I have not heard a lot of flames for caldera as there are for RH and mandrake. On the other hand, Mr. Rajeev had a problem with Myson NIC which worked under Mandrake, but the kernel module would not compile under most of the other distributions.
This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all.
Bye
On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 11:13:44PM -0500, Bhargav Bhatt wrote:
Excellent Idea! Regarding distributions, i think Redhat would win my vote. The main reasons would be
- Extensive Hardware Support
- RPM (It was built on RH) - Numerous applications available for install via
RPM 3) Up2date 4) More online help forums for RH than any other distro. (also a very helpful IRC channel). 5) Very easy to work with, especially after bluecurve (I am not supportive of their idea of degrading KDE in the process of Unifying it with GNOME. However, the result is indeed quite beautiful) 6) Automatic Installation of New Kernel via up2date
Debian has all these features plus much more friendly up2date like utility (apt). But till "debian-desktop" subproject is released we will stick to RedHat. This will be easier for us because more than half of the publicity is done by RedHat. And people know what is RedHat.
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Bhargav Bhatt wrote:
Excellent Idea! Regarding distributions, i think Redhat would win my vote. The main reasons would be
This is what I was expecting, and in the night thought of something like this. We do not take a tour but whenever we have a chance then we go around and talk with the Vendor individually or in a small group of approx 2-4, and let that group decide on which distro they like and they would give them support as well on that distribution. It can also be possible to give them an introduction on more than one distributions and also teach them dual booting options (linux-linux,linux-windows, linux only). All this is ofcourse after we decide to go at a specific vender with a specific group.
- Extensive Hardware Support
This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all.
Bye
mails@munshi.dyndns.org writes:
This is what I was expecting, and in the night thought of something like this. We do not take a tour but whenever we have a chance then we go around and talk with the Vendor individually or in a small group of approx 2-4, and let that group decide on which distro they like and they would give them support as well on that distribution. It can also be possible to give them an introduction on more than one distributions and also teach them dual booting options (linux-linux,linux-windows, linux only). All this is ofcourse after we decide to go at a specific vender with a specific group.
Rather than have a road tour(like RH did), let us have a proper workshop with fees for entries. We can even put an ad in the paper. Lots of people will be ready to pay up. That way we can cover our expenses. It is only logical that all the profits will be donated to FSF to help them continue the excellent work they are doing.
************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 vinayak_hegde@softhome.net wrote:
mails@munshi.dyndns.org writes:
This is what I was expecting, and in the night thought of something like this. We do not take a tour but whenever we have a chance then we go around and talk with the Vendor individually or in a small group of approx 2-4, and let that group decide on which distro they like and they would give them support as well on that distribution. It can also be possible to give them an introduction on more than one distributions and also teach them dual booting options (linux-linux,linux-windows, linux only). All this is ofcourse after we decide to go at a specific vender with a specific group.
Rather than have a road tour(like RH did), let us have a proper workshop with fees for entries. We can even put an ad in the paper. Lots of people will be ready to pay up. That way we can cover our expenses. It is only logical that all the profits will be donated to FSF to help them continue the excellent work they are doing.
This is a good idea, want to have it this december instead of a meeting on 8th. We can arrange for a computer on which we show them the installation with the help of a projector. But sunday might be a problem for them to attend so preferable saturday evening will be better. IMO we need to do a little mote than a simple advertisement. Also we may have to advertise in some magazines. And also some newspapers like computing times, basically the same section of the ads where the assemblers themselves advertise. I think that the most important way to make this efective is to get in touch with as many assemblers directly, atleast refer to the newspaper and call them up. Also about the distribution problems, we can show them more than one distributions and also we can get to learn about different distributions. (Atleast a newbie like me will and also others in the group will also).
The workshop should include the following stuff.
1. Basic Installation of more than one . 2. Openoffice (or may be some other, please list it here). 3. Hardware supported presently and the ones that are widely sold in the indian market. 4. How to get those bad software devices to work on Linux if they have the drivers avaiable for them. Most important one might be the SM56 modem of motorola since their ads have that in big names and they cant change that, and the HP printers, scanners. 5. Overview of the licences atleast GPL (sorry sandeep for a repetition but we have a completely new crowd here). This is required so that they can know that they are giving proper software. 6. probably arrange for a few CD's to be given to them (depends on the charges we are going to take from them). 7. Basic trouble shooting (since they provide AMC for it). 8. Q&A part (give this lots of time).
Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu
mails@munshi.dyndns.org writes:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 vinayak_hegde@softhome.net wrote:
Rather than have a road tour(like RH did), let us have a proper workshop with fees for entries. We can even put an ad in the paper. Lots of people will be ready to pay up. That way we can cover our expenses. It is only logical that all the profits will be donated to FSF to help them continue the excellent work they are doing.
This is a good idea, want to have it this december instead of a meeting on 8th. We can arrange for a computer on which we show them the installation with the help of a projector. But sunday might be a problem for them to attend so preferable saturday evening will be better.
I am not free on sundays too. Saturday would be preferable for me too.
I think that the most important way to make this efective is to get in touch with as many assemblers directly, atleast refer to the newspaper and call them up.
Someone has to voluteer for this part. And it is going to be human intensive. a AD is a better idea.
Also about the distribution problems, we can show them more than one distributions and also we can get to learn about different distributions. (Atleast a newbie like me will and also others in the group will also).
What will be the time duration ??? The course contents will have to be decided accordingly.
The workshop should include the following stuff.
- Basic Installation of more than one .
- Openoffice (or may be some other, please list it here).
- Hardware supported presently and the ones that are widely sold in the
indian market.
really good idea!!!
- How to get those bad software devices to work on Linux if they have the
drivers avaiable for them. Most important one might be the SM56 modem of motorola since their ads have that in big names and they cant change that, and the HP printers, scanners.
Harsh can U handle this?? You seem to have some experience.
- Overview of the licences atleast GPL (sorry sandeep for a
repetition but we have a completely new crowd here). This is required so that they can know that they are giving proper software.
point #5 is a must I believe.
- probably arrange for a few CD's to be given to them (depends on the
charges we are going to take from them). 7. Basic trouble shooting (since they provide AMC for it). 8. Q&A part (give this lots of time).
************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 05:36:37AM -0700, vinayak_hegde@softhome.net wrote:
mails@munshi.dyndns.org writes:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 vinayak_hegde@softhome.net wrote:
Rather than have a road tour(like RH did), let us have a
installation with the help of a projector. But sunday might be a problem for them to attend so preferable saturday evening will be better.
I am not free on sundays too. Saturday would be preferable for me too.
Ok, so saturday should be a good time, anyone else having problems with this. One problem I can think of is getting a venue, Is IIT available on Saturday. I have decided to go for this one and take charge, preferrably saturday (7th December).
Someone has to voluteer for this part. And it is going to be human intensive. a AD is a better idea.
What will be the time duration ??? The course contents will have to be decided accordingly.
I am expecting that it will take approx 4-5 hours, so we need to get started with it at 3pm.
The workshop should include the following stuff.
- Basic Installation of more than one .
- Openoffice (or may be some other, please list it here).
- Hardware supported presently and the ones that are widely sold in the
indian market.
really good idea!!!
I need help with this one (any volunteers).
- How to get those bad software devices to work on Linux if they have the
drivers avaiable for them. Most important one might be the SM56 modem of motorola since their ads have that in big names and they cant change that, and the HP printers, scanners.
Harsh can U handle this?? You seem to have some experience.
- Overview of the licences atleast GPL (sorry sandeep for a
repetition but we have a completely new crowd here). This is required so that they can know that they are giving proper software.
point #5 is a must I believe.
- probably arrange for a few CD's to be given to them (depends on the
charges we are going to take from them). 7. Basic trouble shooting (since they provide AMC for it). 8. Q&A part (give this lots of time).
I am planning to keep an entry fee of approx 500/= and include cds of some distribution with it, I would prefer Mandrake, I find mandrake to be as easy to use as RedHat and with with nearly the same directory structure as RH all te support and documentation of Rh is also applicable to mandrake, but if majority say RH or debian then I do not mind changing my plans. Or also have slightly lower entry rates say 300/= and then charge for the CD's and let them select the distribution.
Also I had a plan, we should have our own accounts, rather than giving our extra profit to FSF, we can use it to arrange these events. And if at the end of a year we are left with any sizeable amount then we can donate it to FSF. All that I want to ensure is that in an unlikely event of falling short of funds we can borrow from our own accounts, someone needs to take charge of this and tha is the bad part of this idea.
mails@munshi.dyndns.org mailto:mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 05:36:37AM -0700, vinayak_hegde@softhome.net mailto:vinayak_hegde@softhome.net wrote:
Ok, so saturday should be a good time, anyone else having problems with this. One problem I can think of is getting a venue, Is IIT available on Saturday. I have decided to go for this one and take charge, preferrably saturday (7th December).
Someone has to voluteer for this part. And it is going to be human intensive. a AD is a better idea.
What will be the time duration ??? The course contents will have to be decided accordingly.
I am expecting that it will take approx 4-5 hours, so we need to get started with it at 3pm.
Lets not rush it. I feel it will be better to have it after another meeting of LUG on Dec 8 (i hope thats decided). That way we can get help/opinions from our fellow Luggers. Also some people can volunteer for the lectures. Those who are good can go ahead with the workshop. Also availability of IIT maybe an issue. Lets not take that for granted. Schedules will have to be setup and speakers have to be alloted. Let's not make hasty decisions.
The workshop should include the following stuff.
- Basic Installation of more than one .
- Openoffice (or may be some other, please list it here).
- Hardware supported presently and the ones that are widely sold in the
indian market.
really good idea!!!
I need help with this one (any volunteers).
- How to get those bad software devices to work on Linux if they have the
drivers avaiable for them. Most important one might be the SM56 modem of motorola since their ads have that in big names and they cant change that, and the HP printers, scanners.
Harsh can U handle this?? You seem to have some experience.
- Overview of the licences atleast GPL (sorry sandeep for a
repetition but we have a completely new crowd here). This is required so that they can know that they are giving proper software.
point #5 is a must I believe.
- probably arrange for a few CD's to be given to them (depends on the
charges we are going to take from them). 7. Basic trouble shooting (since they provide AMC for it). 8. Q&A part (give this lots of time).
Also I feel the Agenda will need some refinement. I think in 5 hours we cannot do justice to all the above topics.
I am planning to keep an entry fee of approx 500/= and include cds of some distribution with it,
[snip] The amount depends on the amount of effort/resources used. So that should be left till just before giving the AD i feel.
Also I had a plan, we should have our own accounts, rather than giving our extra profit to FSF, we can use it to arrange these events. And if at the end of a year we are left with any sizeable amount then we can donate it to FSF. All that I want to ensure is that in an unlikely event of falling short of funds we can borrow from our own accounts, someone needs to take charge of this and tha is the bad part of this idea.
I am not too sure about this. As long as part of the profits go to the FSF/popularisation of free s/w, I feel any approach is ok.
---> Vinayak Hegde
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 07:05:35PM -0500, mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
Ok, so saturday should be a good time, anyone else having problems with this. One problem I can think of is getting a venue, Is IIT available on Saturday. I have decided to go for this one and take charge, preferrably saturday (7th December).
Please fix your line length ...
I am not too sure about getting KReSIT as a venue on this one ... wouldn't it be preferable to do it in some place central like Dadar maybe? We are talking about businessmen here, and in that too, people who work the most on weekends! :-)
Getting assemblers into the picture sounds just like the thing that our upcoming "Affordable Computing Lab" would like to have. Will talk to the people "up there" and see ... but till Jan second week, count me out please! :-(
Sameer.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:13:35AM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 07:05:35PM -0500, mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
Ok, so saturday should be a good time, anyone else having problems with this. One problem I can think of is getting a venue, Is IIT available on Saturday. I have decided to go for this one and take charge, preferrably saturday (7th December).
Please fix your line length ...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some people are using some broken email client (Pine etc..) thats why they always crib for long lines and html email why don't u use free clients like mutt.
regards
PS: sorry for diversion from the thread !
Pankaj Jangid <pankaj(at)ncst.ernet.in> writes:
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:13:35AM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 07:05:35PM -0500, mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
Ok, so saturday should be a good time, anyone else having problems with this. One problem I can think of is getting a venue, Is IIT available on Saturday. I have decided to go for this one and take charge, preferrably saturday (7th December).
Please fix your line length ...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Some people are using some broken email client (Pine etc..) thats why they always crib for long lines and html email why don't u use free clients like mutt.
well said & I am totally with you on this one.
quasi nobody.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 04:44:28PM +0530, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
Some people are using some broken email client (Pine etc..) thats why they always crib for long lines and html email why don't u use free clients like mutt.
Mutt is an excellent mail client. I have put my .muttrc at www.kumarayil.net/mutt.htm . Any body is free to dload and use.
Regards
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 04:44:28PM +0530, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:13:35AM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Please fix your line length ...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Some people are using some broken email client (Pine etc..) thats why they always crib for long lines and html email why don't u use free clients like mutt.
Was that meant for me? I do use mutt, with things like w3m for HTML, antiword for doc and so on. I hope you followed the entire thread about long lines recently.
If that was not meant for me, sorry, disregard the above post.
Sameer.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 07:30:52PM +0530, Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe wrote:
Was that meant for me? I do use mutt, with things like w3m for HTML, antiword for doc and so on. I hope you followed the entire thread about long lines recently.
But w3m supports scrolling. Antiword I don't know I use wv. Works very well. And mutt show long lines properly.
I also replied in that thread that it is responsibility of the client to display long lines.
If that was not meant for me, sorry, disregard the above post.
Oh! don't take it so seriously. But I don't like repeatation of such quotes as "limit your line length to 72 characters or whatever"
regards
this is already in list of workshops that trevor has in line for next 1 year.
there is one thing that i want to talk abt is SM 56 winmodem.
more than 90% of assemblers are shipping sm56 winmodem with their systems as they are dirt cheap (650/700 i guess) but they are supported only for RH7.1, so as long as we dont have generic drivers for sm56 we can hope to see little genuine interest of assemblers.
take care harsh
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:45:13 -0700 vinayak_hegde@softhome.net wrote:
mails@munshi.dyndns.org writes:
in the paper. Lots of people will be ready to pay up. That way we can cover our expenses. It is only logical that all the profits will be donated to FSF to help them continue the excellent work they are doing.
[snip]
It has to be commercially motivated such that it will be a sustainable movement while keeping the Ethics of the Free Software Movement in place.
Bye for now and have a nice day.
Trevor
Vinayak Hegde
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:59:44 -0500 (EST) mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Bhargav Bhatt wrote: This is what I was expecting, and in the night thought of something like this. We do not take a tour but whenever we have a chance then we go around and talk with the Vendor individually or in a small group of approx 2-4, and let that group decide on which distro
[snip]
We should be working on workshops for 30-40 vendors at one point of time rather than having indivizual workhshops. This will be a better way of getting a larger audience and the efforts of the LUGers will be more apprecited on the same.
We do encourage activites on these lines, but it should be targetting a larger audience, so that duplication of efforts will be avoided as far as possible.
Bye for now and have a nice day.
Trevor
they like and they would give them support as well on that distribution. It can also be possible to give them an introduction on more than one distributions and also teach them dual booting options (linux-linux,linux-windows, linux only). All this is ofcourse after we decide to go at a specific vender with a specific group.
- Extensive Hardware Support
This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all.
Bye
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:13:44 -0500 Bhargav Bhatt wrote:
Regarding distributions, i think Redhat would win my vote. The main reasons would be
- Extensive Hardware Support
Goes for about any distribution.
- RPM (It was built on RH) - Numerous applications available
for install via RPM
Goes for about any distribution - RPMs are now part of LSB and the full-form is now RPM Package Manager.
- Up2date
RedCarpet, APT (yes, it does RPMs too), Portage.
- More online help forums for RH than any other distro. (also
a very helpful IRC channel). 5) Very easy to work with, especially after bluecurve (I am not supportive of their idea of degrading KDE in the process of Unifying it with GNOME. However, the result is indeed quite beautiful) 6) Automatic Installation of New Kernel via up2date
Point 5 is agreeable.
[snip]
hindrance. But from the newbie point of view, features like Auto-Kernel update are very very helpful.
Newbie, maybe. But if the newbie is a home user, s/he would typically not bother about kernel upgrades and can also do well without it, till the next version comes.
IMHO, most of us like to keep abreast with the latest versions of products as they come but a typical home user would not like to bother about weekly updates, even with the options of easy updating programs. Most of the home users also sign an AMC with the vendor and it will be enough for the vendor to procure the latest distro and update the clients' PCs once in 6 months.
On Sunday 17 November 2002 00:39, Tahir Hashmi wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:13:44 -0500
Bhargav Bhatt wrote:
Regarding distributions, i think Redhat would win my vote. The main reasons would be
- Extensive Hardware Support
Goes for about any distribution.
Not quite true. I had been using Slackware for a year till i got my new desktop, only to find out that Slackware was unable to detect my network card. After much searching/googling/irc'ing(if there is such a word ;)), i found that Slakcware was not supporting my network card. So then i looked to Intel for the driver they were offering. But alas! The mobo was relatively new and Intel had not yet come out with Linux drivers for it. Next i looked to Gigabyte, the mobo vendor, but they too had windows only drivers. Lastly, i turned to Redhat. And then it all changed. My network card was detected during install and so were all the other components of the mobo. This example is not an exception. Actually, such cases are quite common. The point is that large companies like Redhat or large projects like Debain do have much more built in, "out of the box", support for non-standard hardware. This makes them better for use for the general public as u cannot expect your average Joe user to go scourging the net for the drivers and then compile them. (Slackware is still my favorite and i run it on my old lappy :) )
- RPM (It was built on RH) - Numerous applications available
for install via RPM
Goes for about any distribution - RPMs are now part of LSB and the full-form is now RPM Package Manager.
Point taken.
- Up2date
RedCarpet, APT (yes, it does RPMs too), Portage.
Yes, many distros have it. I use apt myself on RH 8. up2date just seems to be one of the more popular ones around.
- More online help forums for RH than any other distro. (also
a very helpful IRC channel). 5) Very easy to work with, especially after bluecurve (I am not supportive of their idea of degrading KDE in the process of Unifying it with GNOME. However, the result is indeed quite beautiful) 6) Automatic Installation of New Kernel via up2date
Point 5 is agreeable.
[snip]
hindrance. But from the newbie point of view, features like Auto-Kernel update are very very helpful.
Newbie, maybe. But if the newbie is a home user, s/he would typically not bother about kernel upgrades and can also do well without it, till the next version comes.
IMHO, most of us like to keep abreast with the latest versions of products as they come but a typical home user would not like to bother about weekly updates, even with the options of easy updating programs. Most of the home users also sign an AMC with the vendor and it will be enough for the vendor to procure the latest distro and update the clients' PCs once in 6 months.
But what if there is a kernel advisory or a security fix anounced? In times like that it really helps to upgrade the kernel. And the kernel upgrades are *MUCH* easier using up2date. The AMC is actually an excellent idea. But, IMO, most hardware vendors in India arent skilled enough to be troubleshooting Linux problems. As mails@munshi.dyndns.org said, many of them need to taught linux. But once the necessary skill levels are achieved, this can definitely become a reality.
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:13:44 -0500 Bhargav Bhatt bhargav.bhatt@columbia.edu wrote:
Excellent Idea!
[snip]
Yeppie....:)
But on the lines of having a collabrative single seminar for all of the vendors in one city.
--> Create the content for the workshop based on gnu-linux --> Annouce the same using the Media contacts we have --> Publicise the same --> Perfect the same.........and replicate the model accross the various locations accross the country.
Tha concept of attacking at the root is great.
[snip]
yeppie....so chart out the course. I need some luggers to come forward and take the responsobility on getting the workshops for these Hardware Vendors/ISV's/VAR's organised in and bombay-maharashtra and the rest of the country.
I am the other will guide you all....fellow luggers willing to go out, meet people, meet vendors, do PR, handle the logistics and arrange the workshops pls call me up on 9820349221.
As far as the discussions below on the Distributions to make use of, please go ahead and have the following deliberated on. Those issues can always be sorted out once the basic logistic issues are resolved.
Bye for now and have a nice day.
Trevor
It sounds mighty difficult to implement though. Regarding distributions, i think Redhat would win my vote. The main reasons would be
- Extensive Hardware Support
- RPM (It was built on RH) - Numerous applications available for
install via RPM 3) Up2date 4) More online help forums for RH than any other distro. (also a very helpful IRC channel). 5) Very easy to work with, especially after bluecurve (I am not supportive of their idea of degrading KDE in the process of Unifying it with GNOME. However, the result is indeed quite beautiful) 6) Automatic Installation of New Kernel via up2date
These are the features that i think would be necessary for newbies which are covered in Redhat. Most experienced users might not need the above. Indeed, some might consider it a hindrance. But from the newbie point of view, features like Auto-Kernel update are very very helpful.
Just my two paise,
On Sunday 17 November 2002 02:00, mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
Hi,
How about having a tour around the city, visiting as many hardware assemblers and teaching them basic installation of linux (hope we agree on a distribution which we can install in front of them). My hardware vendor have engineers who are prety smart but have never used linux so do not know much about it and can not support my system. Since many assemblers take a risk by giving pirated softwares with their PC's they may like this idea. Also Linux will gain a upper hand in being the first OS that people get on their PC and problems with learning a new OS will not exist for linux anymore. We will be fighting propritary software right the at the root. The negative side will be that their software modems and printers (which are cheaper) will not make a market so they may even resist this. We also can ask them (the assemblers and the new users) to subscribe to our mailing list to ask for help. I would suggest an easy to use distribution like Mandrake, or caldera. I would really prefer caldera since it fits on a single CD and assemblers can easily provide a copy of with every comp they sell. Also caldera has limited number of applications, for example just 1-2 broswers, which can be quiet helpful for newbies to computers, also I have not heard a lot of flames for caldera as there are for RH and mandrake. On the other hand, Mr. Rajeev had a problem with Myson NIC which worked under Mandrake, but the kernel module would not compile under most of the other distributions.
This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all.
Bye
-- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.
Hello munshi dear,
I have some suggestions that i want to make to all the luggers about the tour.
About Gnu-Linux Picnic:
About the Gnu-Linux Picnic....thats a totally different story and it is something we should have as a small get together outside of bombay so that all of us can chill have fun and learn at the same time.
About Gnu-Linux tour:
Now about the tour that you had in mind. It isn't possible for us to go around all the Hardware Vendors/ISV's/VAR's around the country holding seminars/workshops for all of them indivizually.
Instead, in the context of the workshops that we have outlined starting next month there will be .....
--> Commercial Workshops around the country for Developers on Free Software --> Non-Commercial Workshops for Students from accross the country on Free Software ang Gnu-Linux --> Workshops in and around Bombay on Gnu-Linux for the ISV's/VAR's/Hardware Vendors which we will subsidise with out other commercial activities as mentioned above.
Hold on to your guns....we aldready have linuxers executing their tasks and we will be on schedule towards fulfilling our commitment ot 1 workshop every Fortnight.
Lemme know your observations on the same.
Bye for now and have a nice day all.
Trevor
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:00:26 -0500 (EST) mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
Hi,
How about having a tour around the city, visiting as many hardware assemblers and teaching them basic installation of linux (hope we agree on a distribution which we can install in front of them). My hardware vendor have engineers who are prety smart but have never used linux so do not know much about it and can not support my system. Since many assemblers take a risk by giving pirated softwares with their PC's they may like this idea. Also Linux will gain a upper hand in being the first OS that people get on their PC and problems with learning a new OS will not exist for linux anymore. We will be fighting propritary software right the at the root. The negative side will be that their software modems and printers (which are cheaper) will not make a market so they may even resist this. We also can ask them (the assemblers and the new users) to subscribe to our mailing list to ask for help. I would suggest an easy to use distribution like Mandrake, or caldera. I would really prefer caldera since it fits on a single CD and assemblers can easily provide a copy of with every comp they sell. Also caldera has limited number of applications, for example just 1-2 broswers, which can be quiet helpful for newbies to computers, also I have not heard a lot of flames for caldera as there are for RH and mandrake. On the other hand, Mr. Rajeev had a problem with Myson NIC which worked under Mandrake, but the kernel module would not compile under most of the other distributions.
This is finally just an idea guys, may be there is something very wrong in this idea and may not work at all.
Bye
Trevor... what happened? Did you go through the letter?
Regards,
Amol Hatwar.
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:53:59 +0530 "Amol Hatwar" rollacosta@phreaker.net wrote:
Trevor... what happened? Did you go through the letter?
[snip]
yep Amol, have read through the letter and there is a lot that i have to work on it a lot and finialise the same.
Am travelling right now. Will get to bombay and do me best in getting in touch with you on the final draft of the same.
Again amol....i totally appreciate your affairs. Its my traveliing and schedules that has put all the LUG/FSF issues on the back burner. Pls bear up with me. I am trying me best to get all our LUG activities co-ordinated in the little time i have.
Please bear with me luggers.
Bye for now and have a nice day.
Trevor
Regards,
Amol Hatwar.
On 17/11/02 02:00 -0500, mails@munshi.dyndns.org wrote:
How about having a tour around the city, visiting as many hardware assemblers and teaching them basic installation of linux (hope we agree on a distribution which we can install in front of them). My hardware vendor have engineers who are prety smart but have never used linux so do not know much about it and can not support my system. Since many assemblers take a risk by giving pirated softwares with their PC's they may like this idea. Also Linux will gain a upper hand in being the first OS that people get on their PC and problems with learning a new OS will not exist for linux anymore. We will be fighting propritary software right the at the root.
Some problems I see with this: Installing programs. Not so easy to share windows binaries. Games. Winmodems. Voice chat. People want MS Office. OO will not be acceptible. Or Lyx.
Devdas Bhagat
Devdas Bhagat wrote:
Some problems I see with this: Installing programs. Not so easy to share windows binaries. Games. Winmodems. Voice chat. People want MS Office. OO will not be acceptible. Or Lyx.
Devdas Bhagat
I don't see the problem with Open Office. At the clients where we have installed and configured Linux networks, people are extremely happy with it.
Quake and Myth have been ported to Linux so are many other games. Tux racer being one of the better HW-accelarated games on linux. With SDL you can write games for both linux and windows.
Voice chat may be possible on linux though I am not aware of the software.
Some of windows programs may work with Wine which is rapidly improving day by day.
Some winmodems can be configured to work with linux. I had configured one on RH 7.1 sometime back.
I think your problems can actually solved. It's really not that big a deal. Unless u are using some Properiety s/w on windows which cannot be ported or misbehaves under wine.
---> Vinayak Hegde
If you use star office 5.2 (which is free and opensource), it will probably be accepted since it works in the same way.
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Devdas Bhagat" dodobh@nettaxi.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumabi Linux tour
People want MS Office. OO will not be acceptible. Or Lyx.
Devdas Bhagat
Hi,
Anyone tries Hancom office, it is probably available on Mandrake. It has a lot of publicity on mandrake sites, however it is a paid software.
Bye.
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
If you use star office 5.2 (which is free and opensource), it will probably be accepted since it works in the same way.
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Devdas Bhagat" dodobh@nettaxi.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumabi Linux tour
People want MS Office. OO will not be acceptible. Or Lyx.
Devdas Bhagat
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:06:59 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates scrap@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
If you use star office 5.2 (which is free and opensource), it will probably be accepted since it works in the same way.
it is only free in price and is not opensource or ree(dom)
Regards Warren Brian Noronha warren@freedomink.org
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Devdas Bhagat" dodobh@nettaxi.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumabi Linux tour
People want MS Office. OO will not be acceptible. Or Lyx.
Devdas Bhagat
----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Brian Noronha" warren@freedomink.org To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumabi Linux tour
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:06:59 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates
wrote:
If you use star office 5.2 (which is free and opensource), it will probably be accepted since it works in the same way.
it is only free in price and is not opensource or ree(dom)
Star Office 5.2 is the previous version. This used to be distributed by many distros. I was always under the impression that it was open source. Are you sure it is only a free software and not opensource ? I clarify that I am not talking about star office 6, which is now owned by Sun.
Regards Warren Brian Noronha warren@freedomink.org
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Devdas Bhagat" dodobh@nettaxi.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumabi Linux tour
People want MS Office. OO will not be acceptible. Or Lyx.
Devdas Bhagat
-- Warren Brian Noronha
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Brian Noronha" warren@freedomink.org To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumabi Linux tour
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:06:59 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates
wrote:
If you use star office 5.2 (which is free and opensource), it will probably be accepted since it works in the same way.
it is only free in price and is not opensource or ree(dom)
Star Office 5.2 is the previous version. This used to be distributed by many distros. I was always under the impression that it was open source. Are you sure it is only a free software and not opensource ? I clarify that I am not talking about star office 6, which is now owned by Sun.
yes, it was never opensource. Just opensourced later called as OpenOffice, but the new StarOffice took a different part. Also 5.2 is said to be avaiable for download but sun.com does not offer it for downloads. It is clearly listed on the site that no one can download it from sun.com since they do not offer downloads of it. Also they stopped the staroffice free beta downloads of 6.0 long before the alpha was relased.
Regards Warren Brian Noronha warren@freedomink.org
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Devdas Bhagat" dodobh@nettaxi.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumabi Linux tour
People want MS Office. OO will not be acceptible. Or Lyx.
Devdas Bhagat
-- Warren Brian Noronha
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