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* Here is the initial design document for FOSSDevConf , Please
feel free to contact us.
Date of document : 30 March 2010
What is FOSSDevConf ?
*FOSSDevConf is the yet another conference for Free and Open Source
Developers. This is a true Developer to Developer Conference.
*Who can speak at FOSSDevConf ?
* Developer and FOSS contributors (Activist, Supporter, Business using
FOSS etc) provided they follow Rules and Guidelines of FOSSDevConf. If you
are working on any un-finished FOSS project, you are most welcome to show it
to get more developers. You can put your stall. There is no fees needed for
speakers.
*Who can attend this ?
* Any one. All you need to pay fees of conference if any.
*What is difference between FOSSDevConf and other workshop ?*
Basically we trying to show a true spirit of Open World = (Open Content,
Open Innovations, Open Standards, Open Source/Free Software). For this we
are imposing some guidelines on everybody who are part of it.
*What are Strict Rules and Terms of Workshop ?
*
- *For Audience*
- no rules applied. but we expect tweets and blog to get real
feedback.
- *For Speakers*
- *ODF/HTML5 : *Presentation must be shown using ODF (Open Office format)
Or other Open Technology like HTML5.
- *NO-DOC , NO-DOCx : *Any speaker who use Microsoft /MAC technology
will be disqualified to present.
- *OGG : *You are only allowed to use Ogg music/video for demo. Any
video with .mp4 Or other format will disqualify your selection.
- *GNU/Linux : *You are allowed to carry Any Laptop with Any Operating
System over it But you can only plug your laptop to projector if you have
GNU/Linux OS over it. If you do not carry such laptop then you can ask
organiser to arrange one for you.
- *Copyright Policy : *Every Speakers are advised to make a account on
main FOSSDevConf Server. They must submit their presentation Or videos
before the timeline. However your presentation will be made public during
workshop. All your presentations and other stuff will be licensed under
"CC-By-SA" Or public domain. You have to choose either of two license.
- *NO-MONO : *You cannot show your product/demos which are made using
mono technology.
- *NO-FLASH : *We are not entertaining Flash/Flex or other related
technology. Please use SVG.
- *No-Patents : *You cannot show any technology for which you have
applied patent.
- *For Organiser*
- *Video Recording : *You must provide video recording for all
speaker. All Video Recording must be uploaded to our common
server using Ogg
format
- *Images : *All the Images must be uploaded to our common server
using PNG format.
- *GNU/Linux : *All the Software needed for conducting workshop must
be Open Source/Free Software. You must not use Windows or Mac
for workshop.
- *Free-of-Cost to Speaker : *you can only charge fees to audience but
you cannot charge to speaker. we advice you to pay money for
- *Free Lunch* : You must provide free lunch and evening snacks to
all.
- *No-Coke : *You must not use Cocacola during workshop.
- Please do not become organiser if you do not know the whole
philosophy of Open World.
- *Copyright Policy : *Please make sure that all the presentation or
other stuff goes under "CC-By-Sa" license, for these copyright
holder must
be the original author. The uploaded video of workshop which is
recorded by
FOSSDevConf team must be copyrighted by FOSSDevConf and released under
CC-By-Sa License.
- *NO-nonfree Distribution* : you must not help any speaker or
Organiser to distribute any non-free software or content.
Anything which you
can distribute in FOSSDevConf must have either CC-By-SA license Or FOSS
license.
- *NO-FLASH, NO-MONO : *you must not use flash or mono Or any
technology
- *T-Shirt* : You must provide TShirt to all audience.
- Tshirt may or may not contain all sponsors but it should not
highlight a particular sponsors in misleading ways
- The Design of Tshirt must be uploaded in SVG/PNG format using
CC-By-SA license.
- *Gift to Speaker : *You must provide gifts to speakers.
- *Free Stall* : you must provide free of cost space to stall for the
project which are meant for non-profit. Selling FOSS goods like
Tshirt other
things are treated as non-profit.
- *For Sponsors*
- *No Interference :* You are not allowed to make inference in
FOSSDevConf specially on rules and guidelines.
- *No Brandmixing :* any company which have their name similar to
FOSSDevConf like FOSSDevCenter, FOSSDevGroup etc are not allowed
to sponsor
the event.
*Why these rules and guidelines ?
*Basically a true FOSS lover who is well aware of all issues in Open
World and he/she has these rules in his/her mind. but I have seen some new
conference which ignore one or other layer. So basically we are trying to
show a true Open Conference. most of the developers are happy to see such
guidelines.
*
How Can I organise FOSSDevConf in my City ?*
You are allowed to use FOSSDevConf brand in any city provided you can
impose these rules and guidelines on yourself and on speaker. We are totally
open people who strongly believe in full freedom. We are just providing a
medium. We are working on this isssue !
*Suggestion :*
Yup, current contact me, narendra.sisodiya AT gmail.com
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30 Mar
12:30 p.m.
New subject: Initial design document for FOSSDevConf , Please feel free to comment over it.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:50 PM, narendra sisodiya
<narendra.sisodiya(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
- *No-Patents : *You cannot show any technology
for which you have
applied patent.
Amongst other things this is a red herring. The scope of patents
sometimes extends much beyond the realm of the individual contributor,
even if they are involved in their day-job on technology development
and contribution that is under FOSS.
How do you propose to audit applications for such stuff ?
--
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<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/>
12:38 p.m.
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:00 PM, sankarshan <
sankarshan.mukhopadhyay(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:50 PM, narendra sisodiya
<narendra.sisodiya(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
patent
retrictions. For example, Facebook do have patent on newsfeed but
anyone can come and show their code of facebook addons etc. But If somebody
make a addon and try to get patent over it. they fossdevconf is not a right
place. Yup I agree process is difficult.
- *No-Patents : *You cannot show any
technology for which you have
applied patent.
Amongst other things this is a red herring. The scope of patents
sometimes extends much beyond the realm of the individual contributor,
even if they are involved in their day-job on technology development
and contribution that is under FOSS.
How do you propose to audit applications for such stuff ?
This is speakers responsibility. not to show any such technology which has --
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12:59 p.m.
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Hi,
--- On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:50 PM, narendra sisodiya
<narendra.sisodiya(a)gmail.com> wrote:
| - *GNU/Linux : *All the Software needed for conducting workshop must
| be Open Source/Free Software. You must not use Windows or Mac
\--
There is Free/Open Source Software for Windows and Mac as well. Gimp
for example, has a Windows and Mac port:
http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html
http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/
SK
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1:39 p.m.
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Shakthi Kannan <shakthimaan(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi,
--- On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:50 PM, narendra sisodiya
<narendra.sisodiya(a)gmail.com> wrote:
| - *GNU/Linux : *All the Software needed for conducting workshop must
| be Open Source/Free Software. You must not use Windows or Mac
\--
There is Free/Open Source Software for Windows and Mac as well. Gimp
for example, has a Windows and Mac port:
http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html
http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/
Yes, But I will suggest that do not use such software over window, Use
total open
stack. Its a experiment to make totally open workshop (up to
extend possible) ,,
If Someone use windows for these purpose, I do not care. Such guys will be
provide GNU/Linux laptops for demo.
4:50 p.m.
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Hi,
I think some of these are fairly arbitrary ...
On 03/30/2010 05:50 PM, narendra sisodiya wrote:
- *OGG : *You are only allowed to use Ogg
music/video for demo. Any
video with .mp4 Or other format will disqualify your selection.
This should
possibly be revised to allow for any Open media format[1].
- *GNU/Linux : *You are allowed to carry Any
Laptop with Any Operating
System over it But you can only plug your laptop to projector if you have
GNU/Linux OS over it. If you do not carry such laptop then you can ask
organiser to arrange one for you.
Again too restrictive. There are plenty of
FOSS Operating Systems out there
besides GNU/Linux.
- *Copyright Policy : *Every Speakers are
advised to make a account on
main FOSSDevConf Server. They must submit their presentation Or videos
before the timeline. However your presentation will be made public during
workshop. All your presentations and other stuff will be licensed under
"CC-By-SA" Or public domain. You have to choose either of two license.
It's ok to mandate a license (as an organizer) but you might want to include a
few more Open content licenses, like for instance:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Content_Licenses
- *For Organiser*
- *Video Recording : *You must provide video recording for all
speaker. All Video Recording must be uploaded to our common
server using Ogg
format
- *Images : *All the Images must be uploaded to our common server
using PNG format.
See above comment on multimedia formats.
- *Free Lunch* : You must provide free lunch
and evening snacks to
all.
- *No-Coke : *You must not use Cocacola during workshop.
I think this is
random. What have these things got to do with FOSS ?
- *T-Shirt* : You must provide TShirt to all
audience.
Same as above.
- Tshirt may or may not contain all sponsors
but it should not
highlight a particular sponsors in misleading ways
Too general. What do
you mean by highlighting ? Also, to take a step back, why
is this restriction there in the first place ? If for example FSF-India becomes
the largest sponsor for an event, I would think it fair for them to have the
largest logo on the event tshirt. I think you might want to distinguish between
'rules' and 'guidelines'.
- The Design of Tshirt must be uploaded in
SVG/PNG format using
CC-By-SA license.
See above comment on content licenses.
- *Gift to Speaker : *You must provide gifts to
speakers.
Random. See comment on rules Vs guidelines.
[...snip...]
cheers,
- steve
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_file_format#Examples_of_open_formats
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5:32 p.m.
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:20 PM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net> wrote:
Thanks I will prepare a list out of it., Thanks
Hi,
I think some of these are fairly arbitrary ...
On 03/30/2010 05:50 PM, narendra sisodiya wrote:
- *Copyright Policy : *Every Speakers are advised to make a account
- *OGG : *You are only allowed to use Ogg
music/video for demo. Any
video with .mp4 Or other format will disqualify your selection.
This should possibly be revised to allow for any Open media format[1].
- *GNU/Linux : *You are allowed to carry Any Laptop with Any
Operating
System over it But you can only plug your laptop to projector if you
have
GNU/Linux OS over it. If you do not carry such laptop then you can
ask
organiser to arrange one for you.
Again too restrictive. There are plenty of FOSS Operating Systems out there
besides GNU/Linux.
Example ? we are basically want to deny for window and mac. on
main FOSSDevConf Server. They must submit their presentation Or
videos
before the timeline. However your presentation will be made public
during
workshop. All your presentations and other stuff will be licensed
under
"CC-By-SA" Or public domain. You have to choose either of two
license.
It's ok to mandate a license (as an organizer) but you might want to
include a few more Open content licenses, like for instance:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Content_Licenses
- *For Organiser*
basically coke has trade secret , that is why Open-Cola exist.
- *Video Recording : *You must provide video recording for all
speaker. All Video Recording must be uploaded to our common
server using Ogg
format
- *Images : *All the Images must be uploaded to our common server
using PNG format.
See above comment on multimedia formats.
- *Free Lunch* : You must provide free lunch and evening snacks to
all.
- *No-Coke : *You must not use Cocacola during workshop.
I think this is random. What have these things got to do with FOSS ?
- *T-Shirt* : You must provide TShirt to all audience.
Same as above.
- Tshirt may or may not contain all sponsors but it should not
> highlight a particular
sponsors in misleading ways
Too general. What do you mean by
highlighting ? Also, to take a step back,
why is this restriction there in the first place ? If for example FSF-India
becomes the largest sponsor for an event, I would think it fair for them to
have the largest logo on the event tshirt. I think you might want to
distinguish between 'rules' and 'guidelines'.
Yes, This is valid point, Ok, this point will left on organisers, I have
not think about this !!
- The Design of Tshirt must be uploaded in SVG/PNG format using
Random. See comment on rules Vs
guidelines.
[...snip...]
cheers,
- steve
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_file_format#Examples_of_open_formats
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CC-By-SA license.
See above comment on content licenses.
- *Gift to Speaker : *You must provide gifts to speakers.
5:59 p.m.
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Hi,
On 03/30/2010 11:02 PM, narendra sisodiya wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:20 PM, steve
<steve(a)lonetwin.net
- *GNU/Linux : *You are allowed to carry Any Laptop with
Any Operating
System over it But you can only plug your laptop to
projector if you have
GNU/Linux OS over it. If you do not carry such laptop
then you can ask
organiser to arrange one for you.
Again too restrictive. There are plenty of FOSS Operating Systems
out there besides GNU/Linux.
Example ? we are basically want to deny for window and mac.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_operating_systems
of those, I believe there is a substantial presence of *BSD and Haiku users in
India.
- *Free Lunch* : You must provide free lunch and evening
snacks to
all.
- *No-Coke : *You must not use Cocacola during workshop.
I think this is random. What have these things got to do with FOSS ?
basically coke has trade secret , that is why Open-Cola exist.
The presence of Open Cola aside, the fact of the matter is almost everything
that we depend on these days has some level of protection of information.
I think applying FOSS principles to Cola is going too far. Anyone who does that
is being a hypocrite unless they are also running systems that are not made from
closed hardware (ie: various hardware vendor's ^trade secrets^) and are not
using closed BIOSes to boot 'em up !!
The entire /reason/ for the FOSS movement is because the people who started it,
believed that /software/ ie: the _source_ is something to be shared. If these
people also say the same thing about colas, engine designs, business practices,
drug research or any other sort of information, that is only incidental. Those
additional beliefs should not just be blindly adopted nor be mandated in a
^Software^ Conference.
hth,
cheers,
- steve
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6:03 p.m.
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:29 PM, steve <steve(a)lonetwin.net> wrote:
Hi,
On 03/30/2010 11:02 PM, narendra sisodiya wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:20 PM, steve
<steve(a)lonetwin.net
- *GNU/Linux : *You are allowed to carry Any Laptop with
Any Operating
System over it But you can only plug your laptop to
projector if you have
GNU/Linux OS over it. If you do not carry such laptop
then you can ask
organiser to arrange one for you.
Again too restrictive. There are plenty of FOSS Operating Systems
out there besides GNU/Linux.
Example ? we are basically want to deny for window and mac.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_operating_systems
of those, I believe there is a substantial presence of *BSD and Haiku users
in India.
- *Free Lunch* : You must provide
free lunch and evening
snacks to
all.
- *No-Coke : *You must not use Cocacola during workshop.
I think this is random. What have these things got to do with FOSS ?
basically coke has trade secret , that is why Open-Cola exist.
The presence of Open Cola aside, the fact of the matter is almost
everything that we depend on these days has some level of protection of
information.
I think applying FOSS principles to Cola is going too far. Anyone who does
that is being a hypocrite unless they are also running systems that are not
made from closed hardware (ie: various hardware vendor's ^trade secrets^)
and are not using closed BIOSes to boot 'em up !!
The entire /reason/ for the FOSS movement is because the people who started
it, believed that /software/ ie: the _source_ is something to be shared. If
these people also say the same thing about colas, engine designs, business
practices, drug research or any other sort of information, that is only
incidental. Those additional beliefs should not just be blindly adopted nor
be mandated in a ^Software^ Conference.
Thanks again for valuable inputs. 
31 Mar
31 Mar
6:30 a.m.
New subject: Initial design document for FOSSDevConf , Please feel free to comment over it.
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2010 11:02:09 pm narendra sisodiya wrote:
basically coke has trade secret , that is why Open-Cola exist.
you forgot to add that the organisers *must* provide sufficient numbers of
hammers and chisels to remove the windows keys on all laptops brought to the
event.
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Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
- *No-Coke : *You must not use Cocacola during
workshop.
I think this is random. What have these things got to do with FOSS ? 
6:42 a.m.
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you forgot to add that the organisers *must* provide sufficient numbers of
hammers and chisels to remove the windows keys on all laptops brought to
the
event.
A better and /*more*/ violent way to do this is : http://bit.ly/cpUM7F
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7:12 a.m.
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On Wednesday 31 March 2010 12:00:29 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2010 11:02:09 pm narendra sisodiya
wrote:
basically coke has trade secret , that is why Open-Cola exist.
you forgot to add that the organisers *must* provide sufficient
numbers of hammers and chisels to remove the windows keys on all
laptops brought to the event.
No trade secrets in the key.
But coca cola, they are so secretive they never tell you that it is
great for http://members.tripod.com/barefoot_lass/cola.html
I am sure they will unveil these secret new products when everbody has
leached out all the calcium from bone and become a pile of shapeless
fat.
--
Rgds
JTD
- *No-Coke : *You must not use Cocacola during
workshop.
I think this is random. What have these things got to do with
FOSS ?
10:04 a.m.
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On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 12:42:41 pm jtd wrote:
yes and we will need sandpaper also to remove all brand names from the various
parts of the laptops - and inspectors to make sure none of the laptops have
any patented or proprietary hardware. Also non-GNU/Linux cellphones will be
confiscated and destroyed.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
you forgot to
add that the organisers must provide sufficient
numbers of hammers and chisels to remove the windows keys on all
laptops brought to the event.
No trade secrets in the key.
10:23 a.m.
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org>wrote;wrote:
On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 12:42:41 pm jtd wrote:
yes and we will need sandpaper also to remove all brand names from the
various
parts of the laptops - and inspectors to make sure none of the laptops have
any patented or proprietary hardware. Also non-GNU/Linux cellphones will be
confiscated and destroyed.
The only point I was making that if speaker come to present something
he/she must
use Full Open Platform. One can carry non-free mobile/pda, (like
me, reliance cdma), but when it come to display/demonstrate a software as
speaker, all we want he/she must use Full Open Platform. I think my points
has been mistaken ,,.,.,.,
you
forgot to add that the organisers must provide sufficient
numbers of hammers and chisels to remove the windows keys on all
laptops brought to the event.
No trade secrets in the key.
10:34 a.m.
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On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 3:53:24 pm narendra sisodiya wrote:
that is not enough - everything proprietary must be banned and burnt on the
spot (even the speakers underwear should be open)
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regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
yes and we
will need sandpaper also to remove all brand names from the
various
parts of the laptops - and inspectors to make sure none of the laptops
have any patented or proprietary hardware. Also non-GNU/Linux cellphones
will be confiscated and destroyed.
The only point I was making that if speaker come to present something
he/she must use Full Open Platform. One can carry non-free mobile/pda,
(like me, reliance cdma), but when it come to display/demonstrate a
software as speaker, all we want he/she must use Full Open Platform. I
think my points has been mistaken
11:12 a.m.
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On 31 March 2010 16:04, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
that is not enough - everything proprietary must be banned and burnt on the
spot (even the speakers underwear should be open)
@Narendra
I can feel the state of confusion you are in right now :)
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Software Engineer
11:12 a.m.
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yes and we will need sandpaper also to remove all brand names from the
various
parts of the laptops - and inspectors to make sure none of the laptops have
any patented or proprietary hardware. Also non-GNU/Linux cellphones will be
confiscated and destroyed.
Just wondering what's wrong in expecting that speaker should not use non-GNU
laptop in giving he presentation.We are not those guys who are working for
Microsoft's competent whose only motive is to kill open source.
Do you like to step on *two boats ( Proprietary + FOSS ) at a time* ?
You can allow others to use any OS (it depends on their choice /* A lot of
open source developer especially those working with python use M$ as their
primary OS* , their is nothing wrong with that ) , but atleast they should
use GNU laptop for giving the presentation/talks/workshops.
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11:20 a.m.
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On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 4:42:22 pm Gaurav Paliwal wrote:
You can allow others to use any OS (it depends on
their choice /* A lot of
open source developer especially those working with python use M$ as their
primary OS* , their is nothing wrong with that ) , but atleast they should
use GNU laptop for giving the presentation/talks/workshops.
what is a GNU laptop? something that has complete open hardware? Something
that has not a single patented part?
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11:55 a.m.
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what is a GNU laptop? something that has complete open
hardware? Something
that has not a single patented part?
It is really hard to find a laptop with complete open hardware and not even
a single part patented but it is very easy to have a laptop with GNU
operating system installed.
For me a GNU laptop is a laptop with atleast a GNU OS installed on it
(complete open hardware is an added advantage).
Practically it is possible to have a laptop with GNU OS installed.
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noon
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Hello
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gaurav Paliwal <
gaurav.paliwal1989(a)gmail.com> wrote:
rajeev
what is a GNU
laptop? something that has complete open hardware?
Something
that has not a single patented part?
For me a GNU laptop is a laptop with atleast a GNU OS installed on it
(complete open hardware is an added advantage).
Exactly what advantage comes with 'open' hardware ?
12:17 p.m.
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Exactly what
advantage comes with 'open' hardware ?
12:19 p.m.
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On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 5:30:30 pm Rajeev Nair wrote:
this whole discussion reminds be of the raging war between environmentalists
and developers. I read somewhere that a developer is defined as a person who
wants to build resorts/cottages in the jungle and an environmentalist is a
person who already has a resort/cottage in the jungle. So you define GNU laptop
as what you have - Narendra does not have a openmoko phone so he allows
reliance phones.
the whole thing is ridiculous - if the person is describing open source or
demoing it, what does it matter what tools he uses? suppose he uses a white
board and marker pens - I am sure every pen in the market is patented, and so
is every whiteboard.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
For me a GNU
laptop is a laptop with atleast a GNU OS installed on it
(complete open hardware is an added advantage).
Exactly what advantage comes with 'open' hardware ?
12:41 p.m.
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org>wrote;wrote:
On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 5:30:30 pm Rajeev Nair
wrote:
this whole discussion reminds be of the raging war between
environmentalists
and developers. I read somewhere that a developer is defined as a person
who
wants to build resorts/cottages in the jungle and an environmentalist is a
person who already has a resort/cottage in the jungle. So you define GNU
laptop
as what you have - Narendra does not have a openmoko phone so he allows
reliance phones.
Yes, I am allowed to carry my reliance mobile phone but i am not allowed to
show it
that how to create a new application on this mobile phone even
thought i have released that application under GPL.
For me a
GNU laptop is a laptop with atleast a GNU OS installed on it
(complete open hardware is an added advantage).
Exactly what advantage comes with 'open' hardware ?
the whole thing is ridiculous - if the person is
describing open source or
demoing it, what does it matter what tools he uses? suppose he uses a white
board and marker pens - I am sure every pen in the market is patented, and
so
is every whiteboard.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
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the whole thing is ridiculous - if the person is
describing open source or
demoing it, what does it matter what tools he uses?
It do matter on the stage of a FOSS Unconference/Conference but elsewhere I
do agree with you it doesn't .
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With Regards,
Gaurav Paliwal
http://gaurav.tk
1:33 p.m.
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So, what are we all supposed to conclude regarding the original
conditions laid ?
On 3/31/10, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 5:30:30 pm Rajeev Nair
wrote:
this whole discussion reminds be of the raging war between environmentalists
and developers. I read somewhere that a developer is defined as a person who
wants to build resorts/cottages in the jungle and an environmentalist is a
person who already has a resort/cottage in the jungle. So you define GNU
laptop
as what you have - Narendra does not have a openmoko phone so he allows
reliance phones.
the whole thing is ridiculous - if the person is describing open source or
demoing it, what does it matter what tools he uses? suppose he uses a white
board and marker pens - I am sure every pen in the market is patented, and
so
is every whiteboard.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
--
http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
For me a
GNU laptop is a laptop with atleast a GNU OS installed on it
(complete open hardware is an added advantage).
Exactly what advantage comes with 'open' hardware ?
1:37 p.m.
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:03 PM, shamoorthy <shamoorthy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So, what are we all supposed to conclude regarding the
original
conditions laid ?
It will uploaded in 1-2 days, all will be notified ..
4:45 p.m.
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Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
the whole thing is ridiculous - if the person is describing open source or
demoing it, what does it matter what tools he uses? suppose he uses a white
board and marker pens - I am sure every pen in the market is patented, and so
is every whiteboard.
It helps prevent detractors from bragging that ultimately 'they' had to
use a closed OS to demo FOSS.
--
Regards,
Rony.
GNU/Linux !
No Viruses
No Spyware
Only Freedom.
4:38 p.m.
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Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Wednesday 31 Mar 2010 12:42:41 pm jtd wrote:
yes and we will need sandpaper also to remove all brand names from the various
parts of the laptops - and inspectors to make sure none of the laptops have
any patented or proprietary hardware. Also non-GNU/Linux cellphones will be
confiscated and destroyed.
I hope no one will be wearing any patented branded clothing. It can get
quite chilly.
--
Regards,
Rony.
GNU/Linux !
No Viruses
No Spyware
Only Freedom.
you
forgot to add that the organisers must provide sufficient
numbers of hammers and chisels to remove the windows keys on all
laptops brought to the event.
No trade secrets in the key.
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Debayan Banerjee -
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jtd -
Kenneth Gonsalves -
narendra sisodiya -
Rajeev Nair -
Rony -
sankarshan -
Shakthi Kannan -
shamoorthy -
steve