ok..what should be the next step?

regards, kishor

----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Ares Gastesi pablo@math.tifr.res.in To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] security sublist

Hello,

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I was wondering if we could get enuff people to start a mailing list for security stuff...i'd sure like to share and learn more...

I am interested too.

Pablo.

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Hi,

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Q u a s i wrote:

At 08:10 PM 8/14/01 +0530, you wrote:

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ok..what should be the next step?

regards, kishor

Maybe we start a thread with a(ny) particular (security) topic? Fruitful discussion and other threads may follow from the initial one.

Let's start this thread with files /etc/host.allow and /etc/host.deny and how they interect with inetd/tcpd/xinetd and other services.

What say?

quasi

SSL=Security SubList ;-)

with regards,

At 12:48 PM 8/17/01 +0530, jtd wrote:

Yes. Please start.

Some general wonderings : might want to skip.

I guess many (maybe most) of us are involved here (Ok. I agree I havent been here all that long, but I had compelling reasons) because we love to. I think we learn a lot more if we _enjoy_ doing it. We all likeminded folks should come together and celebrate our likemindedness. Reenforce it. From a close friend who is out west I hear that they have these groups on campuses which regularly meet, go to picnics, movies, drink beer and maybe discuss quantum mechanics. The point is, interaction is a good thing. The enthusiasm rubs off... multiplies. And we learn tremendously from the seniors (not necessarily in age). Do the LUG meets have such low attendance because it is not fun enough to spend time on? Dont we learn anything? I attended two lug meets. In one I was introduced to Debian by Nag. I now run Debian. But the seminars seem dull. The people who have to prepare for them are reluctant to spend the time. Wouldnt informal meets with impromptu discussions be better? I mean we could contribute 20bucks get something to eat, talk Computers (GLinux) and have a general good time. If we start having a good time, I am sure more people will want to join in. This security sublist thing is a very good idea. If we could only inject some life in it. Make it more real. Just listen to this hypothetical dream (yeah!) I had. In that dream the Lugers of Mumbai arranged a competition. There were two teams. They were given a machine connected to the net. One was to protect, one to break into. With something concrete people worked and learned. The result of the competition is hazy but I vividly remember that on the day of the conclusion everyone involved had a much better understanding of security and related issues. If only it were not a dream.

quasi p.s. Hope I dont get kicked off this list!

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At 08:17 AM 8/18/01 +0530, KB wrote:

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having a good time, I am sure more people will want to join in.

well...its more about Linux than abt having fun.My idea of fun is a fruitful discussion where i learn something or help learn..

What I meant by _fun_ was making the activities we like (talking Linux, here) more enjoyable. A classroom like environment is eXcellent for learning but not always fun. Since we do Lugging in the spare time, maybe if it helps to relax, people may spend more time.

If we have interested people like you,I'm sure we dont have much of a

problem..;-) Sarcasm, dear friend? <grin>

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--- Q u a s i quasiabhi@yahoo.com wrote:

At 12:48 PM 8/17/01 +0530, jtd wrote:

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Yes. Please start.

Some general wonderings : might want to skip.

     I guess many (maybe most) of us are

involved here (Ok. I agree I havent been here all that long, but I had compelling reasons) because we love to. I think we learn a lot more if we _enjoy_ doing it. We all likeminded folks should come together and celebrate our likemindedness. Reenforce it.

Right on!

From a close friend

who is out west I hear that they have these groups on campuses which regularly meet, go to picnics, movies, drink beer and maybe discuss quantum mechanics.

Hey, I like the thought of the beer, don't know about the rest, though!

The point

is, interaction is a good thing. The enthusiasm rubs off... multiplies.

Absolutely.

And we learn tremendously from the

seniors (not necessarily in age). Do the LUG meets have such low attendance because it is not fun enough to spend time on? Dont we learn anything? I attended two lug meets. In one I was introduced to Debian by Nag. I now run Debian. But the seminars seem dull. The people who have to prepare for them are reluctant to spend the time.

One reason I could think of for this is that, while we're all into Linux at some level or the other, our interests tend to vary. For example, I'm more into low-level programming and networks etc., while some guys are web-side and Java programmers, something in which I might personally not be particularly interested. Again, you have people with a sound computing background and knowledge base like Philip, Devdas Bhagat and others, and some rank newbies too. When you have this eclectic a gathering, some people are bound to find things dull, because it is very difficult to find a common ground on which everyone can meet and discuss things.

Wouldnt informal meets

with impromptu discussions be better? I mean we could contribute 20bucks get something to eat, talk Computers (GLinux) and have a general good time. If we start having a good time, I am sure more people will want to join in.

That is the way we need to go (and probably will). We now have a security subgroup, and a putative Emacs/ LISP group. I've been thinking of trying to assemble a C/ C++/ Perl group to see if we can hack something useful. The only reason I have not yet put out a mail on the list is my extreme workload at this time - hopefully things should clear up by next month.

     This security sublist thing is a very good

idea. If we could only inject some life in it. Make it more real.

I think that's happening already! :-)

Hope I dont get kicked off this list!

Oh, don't worry, this is not Stalin's Russia - here you aren't going to get kicked off even if you actively abuse, or even use obscenities! At least, I haven't seen it happen yet.

Regards,

Krishnan

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