You can try OpenSolaris too. Sun is going to release it under the GNU GPLv3, so alongwith GNU/Linux and *BSD, it is another free operating system.
Cheerio, Debarshi
On Thursday 18 January 2007 13:15, Debarshi Ray wrote:
You can try OpenSolaris too. Sun is going to release it under the GNU GPLv3, so alongwith GNU/Linux and *BSD, it is another free operating system.
Brilliant. So Sun gets a headstart with those concerned about software patents, since v3 specifically addresses that issue. Time to look up benchmarks.
Hi,
I downloaded Debian Sarge and tried to install it. The installation went fine. But I think i missed to select the "Desktop" option during installation. If I enter "startx" command i encounter errors. I thought Xfree86 was not installed. so I tried 'apt-get install x-windows-system'. I found this in the Internet. But still "startx" wouldnt work. I am trying to figure that out. But I have a question. When I first installed Sarge. I could see a X11 folder in /etc. Why was this folder created if X was not installed initially? Is it created by default?
Thanks for all the encouragement.
Regards, Raj
On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:03, Varadarajan V wrote:
Hi,
I downloaded Debian Sarge and tried to install it. The installation went fine. But I think i missed to select the "Desktop" option during installation.
run tasksel and select dektop.
If I enter "startx" command i encounter errors. I thought Xfree86 was not installed. so I tried 'apt-get install x-windows-system'.
apt-get install kdm kde and look at the suggested packages. Particularly fonts.
The installer on sarge R4 is broken and wont install x-window-system kde etc. However i hadnt noticed this.
jtd wrote:
The installer on sarge R4 is broken and wont install x-window-system kde etc. However i hadnt noticed this.
After so many years of Linux, why do we still have to bother about basics?
Regards,
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On Thursday 18 January 2007 21:32, Rony wrote:
jtd wrote:
The installer on sarge R4 is broken and wont install x-window-system kde etc. However i hadnt noticed this.
After so many years of Linux, why do we still have to bother about basics?
Seems that most users of Debian are not handicapped with the lack of an installer for X (or whatever).
Seems that most users of Debian are not handicapped with the lack of an installer for X (or whatever).
True, i guess an ncurses interface does rock for newbies and pro's :-) In fact at time it brings the good old DOS 6.0 memories back.
*sigh*
Regards,
- vihan
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:23 +0530, Vihan Pandey wrote:
True, i guess an ncurses interface does rock for newbies and pro's :-) In fact at time it brings the good old DOS 6.0 memories back.
Good memories? Horrible memories IMHO.
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:23 +0530, Vihan Pandey wrote:
True, i guess an ncurses interface does rock for newbies and pro's :-) In fact at time it brings the good old DOS 6.0 memories back.
Good memories? Horrible memories IMHO.
Are you kidding?? if it wasn't for good ol' DOS, i wouldn't have tried doom2 on slackware (thanks to PCQuest 1995-6)..
- dhawal
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 18:54 +0530, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
Are you kidding?? if it wasn't for good ol' DOS, i wouldn't have tried doom2 on slackware (thanks to PCQuest 1995-6)..
It wasn't at all funny that i could run only ONE program at a time on a 386DX! X( As I said HORRIBLE memories....
It wasn't at all funny that i could run only ONE program at a time on a 386DX! X( As I said HORRIBLE memories....
It was the simplest O.S to start learning things with. Give me a PC XT with DOS(Free DOS would do) and C loaded on it, and copy of Yashwant Kanetkar's Let Us C i could set days and weeks at a stretch :-)
The ideal thing for students to start with. Then when they see GNU/Linux with GCC alson with Tanenbaum's Mordern Operating Systems then they would REALLy rock. :-)
Regards,
- vihan
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 21:20 +0530, Vihan Pandey wrote:
The ideal thing for students to start with. Then when they see GNU/Linux with GCC alson with Tanenbaum's Mordern Operating Systems then they would REALLy rock. :-)
Hehehe...you're kidding right? Linux and Tanenbaum just DONT mix! Hahaha... I hope you get the irony ;)
Hehehe...you're kidding right? Linux and Tanenbaum just DONT mix! Hahaha... I hope you get the irony ;)
i know the irony and the world famous flame war :-)
For a student they are the PERFECT mix, Operating System theory + a LIVE production kernel(which is also VERY well documented) to play around. Of course AST recommended playing with Minix(as it could be done within one semester :-)). Anyway the student's Freedom to choose.
Regards,
- vihan
Vihan Pandey wrote:
It wasn't at all funny that i could run only ONE program at a time on a 386DX! X( As I said HORRIBLE memories....
It was the simplest O.S to start learning things with. Give me a PC XT with DOS(Free DOS would do) and C loaded on it, and copy of Yashwant Kanetkar's Let Us C i could set days and weeks at a stretch :-)
Talking about tech books, though am not too well read and not a programmer 'let us c' was (and prolly still is) a great book, other being 'How to Think Like a Computer Scientist - Learning with python', available under GFDL.
- dhawal
Talking about tech books, though am not too well read and not a programmer 'let us c' was (and prolly still is) a great book, other being 'How to Think Like a Computer Scientist - Learning with python', available under GFDL.
That is a REAL classic :-)
Regards,
- vihan
--- Vihan Pandey wrote:
Give me a PC XT with DOS(Free DOS would do) and C loaded on it, and copy of Yashwant Kanetkar's Let Us C i could set days and weeks at a stretch :-)
[begin Off from the topic] A bit surprising to know that you (yes, vihan), probably started with "Let Us C", nevertheless, a good book. (I did too, but that was an old edition, and I haven't read it completely).
I'm also lucky to find that my college library has finally the latest version 7.0, with the book also including topics on programming with Linux. In fact, it is Redhat Linux 9.0. The author likes KDE and uses KWrite to write C programs. :) [end Off from the topic]
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On 1/19/07, Roshan d_rosh2001@yahoo.co.in wrote:
--- Vihan Pandey wrote:
Give me a PC XT with DOS(Free DOS would do) and C loaded on it, and copy of Yashwant Kanetkar's Let Us C i could set days and weeks at a stretch :-)
[begin Off from the topic] A bit surprising to know that you (yes, vihan), probably started with "Let Us C", nevertheless, a good book. (I did too, but that was an old edition, and I haven't read it completely).
I'm also lucky to find that my college library has finally the latest version 7.0, with the book also including topics on programming with Linux. In fact, it is Redhat Linux 9.0. The author likes KDE and uses KWrite to write C programs. :) [end Off from the topic]
Ok. I don't want to shock many people here. And before I say something, I must say, I did read LUC as my first C book (I think) and found it good as well. The point is many people who start new with C ( maybe without any programming exp ) find it easy to start with - that's the reason its good - other wise its not.
Pointers in C is another book by YPK. Now if you read the chapter/section on Binary Trees, you would say, hey nice explaination. Only to find later an uncanny similarity from Data Structures in C and C++ by Tenenbaum et al. Its a green colour book, very nice one, imho. But maybe its just coincidence. But again, the starting chapters are really simplistically explained.
But honestly, one needs to have a copy of K&R if you are into C.
And if you are doing C++, please read Stroustoup after you have learnt a bit. But keep and read the following books handy - Effective C++, More Effective C++, Effective STL ( read/study STL first, google for SGI STL tutorial ) and C++ Coding Standards. The articles in these are arranged in "Items". I just read them randomly and I never fail to get shocked or learn a new thing ( that E Balagurswamy or YPK surely didnot cover in their books ) everytime I read them. And trust me, you won't learn such things in most colleges. But the library might just have book. Issue it or buy it.
Cheers!
Pradeepto
I don't agree on any of the programming book recommendations. All books on programming languages are filled with the author's own biases and in some cases, lack of proper research. K&R may be good for C, but it's not something you should start with.
I'd recommend that people start learning a language without the aid of a book, but by reading other people's code and using grep and the man page for any function that they don't understand. Start by reading simple programs, and modifying them to suit your own needs.
Once you've gotten some distance into the language, that's when you can pick up books. My favourites would be the "Practice of Programming" and the "Elements of Programming Style". Neither are language specific, and both are excellent regardless of the language you're using.
"Programming Pearls" and "More Programming Pearls" by Jon Bentley are also great, are again language independent, and have stood the test of time.
When you've moved sufficiently high up the ladder, and your brain is in high absorbant mode, pick up the "Art of Computer Programming".
On 20-Jan-07, at 10:31 AM, Philip Tellis wrote:
I don't agree on any of the programming book recommendations. All books on programming languages are filled with the author's own biases and in some cases, lack of proper research. K&R may be good for C, but it's not something you should start with.
I'd recommend that people start learning a language without the aid of a book, but by reading other people's code and using grep and the man page for any function that they don't understand. Start by reading simple programs, and modifying them to suit your own needs.
we have had this discussion on this list a couple of years back. Different people learn in different ways. Some want to be taught, others hate being taught. Some want to read up everything before starting. Others never read anything - they just dive in. Each to his own. The only thing i can say for sure - you will never improve unless you are constantly reading and re-reading the manual. Another great way of learning is to teach someone else ...
Pointers in C is another book by YPK. Now if you read thechapter/section on Binary Trees, you would say, hey nice explaination. Only to find later an uncanny similarity from Data Structures in C and C++ by Tenenbaum et al. Its a green colour book, very nice one, imho. But maybe its just coincidence. But again, the starting chapters are really simplistically explained.
Very True. A small point for people thinking of getting the book, the Data Structures is by Aron Tenenbaum and not Andrew Tenenbaum.
And if you are doing C++, please read Stroustoup after you
have learnt a bit. But keep and read the following books handy - Effective C++, More Effective C++, Effective STL ( read/study STL first, google for SGI STL tutorial ) and C++ Coding Standards. The articles in these are arranged in "Items". I just read them randomly and I never fail to get shocked or learn a new thing ( that E Balagurswamy or YPK surely didnot cover in their books ) everytime I read them. And trust me, you won't learn such things in most colleges. But the library might just have book. Issue it or buy it.
Seriously, its advice worth noting as Pradeepto is one of the best C++ guys out there. Only he's extremely modest about it :-)
Regards,
- vihan
Hi
On 1/22/07, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com wrote:
Pointers in C is another book by YPK. Now if you read thechapter/section on Binary Trees, you would say, hey nice explaination. Only to find later an uncanny similarity from Data Structures in C and C++ by Tenenbaum et al. Its a green colour book, very nice one, imho. But maybe its just coincidence. But again, the starting chapters are really simplistically explained.
Very True. A small point for people thinking of getting the book, the Data Structures is by Aron Tenenbaum and not Andrew Tenenbaum.
Its one of the good books that I have seen till date. Ofcourse TAoCP is ofcourse *the book*, no doubts about it. ( hopefully one day I can read all of it and understand, by then rest of the volumes might release as well )
And if you are doing C++, please read Stroustoup after youhave learnt a bit. But keep and read the following books handy - Effective C++, More Effective C++, Effective STL ( read/study STL first, google for SGI STL tutorial ) and C++ Coding Standards. The articles in these are arranged in "Items". I just read them randomly
Seriously, its advice worth noting as Pradeepto is one of the best C++ guys out there. Only he's extremely modest about it :-)
errrr .... no no, I am very surely not even close to the good C++ guys, let alone the best C++ guys. Yeah, but thanks to my KDE involvement, I hang around with them a lot of C++/OOPs folks who are *best* in their trade, and I just pass on what I hear them say. Those are the books they keep telling everybody to read if you ask them for advise and I have seen them follow the rules of the trade. Vihan is just being too kind, imho.
The point being, people like Scott Meyers ( author of Effective $(SomeC++Books ) ) are on the standard committees. They promote Standard C++ in their books. These people are working on the C++0X, adding up new stuff. Same people working on boost libraries, many of which are getting standardised in C++0X and have already been in the first draft, or so I am being told.
Many on this list know that I don't have power for few hours daily, I can't do much during those times. Offlate, I thought as well I will try not to be lazy during these times and sleep. So I just pick up a random "Item" and read it. And I find it "educating". That's why I suggest(ed) those books.
Pssst ... Vihan, where do you want the Pizza, Panvel or in the town?
Pradeepto
Its one of the good books that I have seen till date.Ofcourse TAoCP is ofcourse *the book*, no doubts about it.
Oh yes, if we are talking about books on programming, that/those one(s) ought to be right on top.
( hopefully one day I can read all of it and understand, by then rest of the
volumes might release as well )
True, in fact 'Tis a hope shared by many :-)
Pssst ... Vihan, where do you want the Pizza, Panvel or
in the town?
Ahh... anywhere you wish :-) However the drinks are on me :-)
Regards,
- vihan
[begin Off from the topic] A bit surprising to know that you (yes, vihan),
Meaning what?
probably started with "Let Us C", nevertheless, a good
book. (I did too, but that was an old edition, and I haven't read it completely).
i started life with an XT(in school) and 486 DX 2(at home) with DOS 6.0(about 12-13 years ago), its a fact and i'm not ashamed to admit it. My first encounter with Unix came about 3 years later when i got my VSNL dialup account :-)
I'm also lucky to find that my college library has
finally the latest version 7.0, with the book also including topics on programming with Linux. In fact, it is Redhat Linux 9.0. The author likes KDE and uses KWrite to write C programs. :)
Yes you are indeed lucky :-)
Regards,
- vihan
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 18:54 +0530, Dhawal Doshy wrote:
Are you kidding?? if it wasn't for good ol' DOS, i wouldn't have tried doom2 on slackware (thanks to PCQuest 1995-6)..
It wasn't at all funny that i could run only ONE program at a time on a 386DX! X( As I said HORRIBLE memories....
My first PC was a 8086 based one with 640 KB of RAM, 2 x 360 KB FDDs, no HDD and a Green video-in monitor, running DOS. I learnt BASIC on it and some games. However it was after a long gap of almost 10 years that I got my real pc, a Celeron 400.
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On 20-Jan-07, at 7:28 PM, Rony wrote:
My first PC was a 8086 based one with 640 KB of RAM, 2 x 360 KB FDDs, no HDD and a Green video-in monitor, running DOS. I learnt BASIC on it and some games. However it was after a long gap of almost 10 years that I got my real pc, a Celeron 400.
mine had 256 kb ram, no hdd and one 360 kb fdd - no serial port - and a green monitor with hercules graphics card
jtd wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 21:32, Rony wrote:
jtd wrote:
The installer on sarge R4 is broken and wont install x-window-system kde etc. However i hadnt noticed this.
After so many years of Linux, why do we still have to bother about basics?
Seems that most users of Debian are not handicapped with the lack of an installer for X (or whatever).
So in the era of ever evolving graphics, we empower the people with command line linux.
Regards,
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On Saturday 20 January 2007 19:06, Rony wrote:
jtd wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 21:32, Rony wrote:
jtd wrote:
The installer on sarge R4 is broken and wont install x-window-system kde etc. However i hadnt noticed this.
After so many years of Linux, why do we still have to bother about basics?
Seems that most users of Debian are not handicapped with the lack of an installer for X (or whatever).
Hence nobody filed a bug report.
So in the era of ever evolving graphics, we empower the people with command line linux.
What's wrong with that? if u are implying that something's wrong with the commandline.
You file a bug report. The feature is supposed to be there and is there with R0 and R1 and the pcq dvd. So R4 dvd has a bug. Dont know about the cds.
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:06:02 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
So in the era of ever evolving graphics, we empower the people with command line linux.
You might have meant this as sarcasm, but I do find that for productivity I tend to eschew the gui. The kinds of things that I can do with a simple shell script -- or a find/grep feeding a loop -- would take *hours* and *hours* to do in the pointing, clicking straitjacket of a pure gui.
Of course, this is a digression from the installer bug, and for that, may I ask if an installation report has been submitted so that the issue gets fixed?
manoj
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:06:02 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
So in the era of ever evolving graphics, we empower the people with command line linux.
You might have meant this as sarcasm, but I do find that forproductivity I tend to eschew the gui. The kinds of things that I can do with a simple shell script -- or a find/grep feeding a loop -- would take *hours* and *hours* to do in the pointing, clicking straitjacket of a pure gui.
Of course, this is a digression from the installer bug, and forthat, may I ask if an installation report has been submitted so that the issue gets fixed?
Debian is supposed to be the pillar, the foundation of Linux. It should not have installation bugs. I can understand advanced bugs that could not have been noticed before, but not simple ones. From what I have heard about Debian, a contributor is not accepted officially till atleast 5 or more years, in order to ensure that what is contributed is of the highest quality level. Debian does not release its distros as often as Ubuntu, in order to ensure more stability. A Debian distro should work out of the box without any setup issues.
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On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:14:42PM +0530, Rony wrote:
Debian is supposed to be the pillar, the foundation of Linux. It should not have installation bugs. I can understand advanced bugs that could not have been noticed before, but not simple ones. From what I have heard about Debian, a contributor is not accepted officially till atleast 5 or more years, in order to ensure that what is contributed is of the highest quality level. Debian does not release its distros as often as Ubuntu, in order to ensure more stability. A Debian distro should work out of the box without any setup issues.
About the contributor part, I refuse to agree. One need not be a Debian developer to contribute. You can contribute your packages if you manage to convince a Debian developer to upload the package on your behalf. The Debian developer checks the packages etc., so quality isn't a big problem. And, the credit and responsibility of maintaining the package goes to you, not the Debian developer who uploads it.
Also, I still believe that Debian distro with the old style setup install works as I expect it to. Only, people from other distributions don't associate themselves with that. For me, the procedure has always been install base from first CD using the text/curses based installer and point sources.list to the right server and get the necessary stuff. Of course, since Debian has been late into moving to the point and click installer system, it will take time. Only, it takes a bit longer for Debian... :-)
But one thing's for sure. There will always be people using Debian unstable + testing, since it works very well for them.
Kumar
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:14:42 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:06:02 +0530, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk said:
So in the era of ever evolving graphics, we empower the people with command line linux.
You might have meant this as sarcasm, but I do find that for productivity I tend to eschew the gui. The kinds of things that I can do with a simple shell script -- or a find/grep feeding a loop -- would take *hours* and *hours* to do in the pointing, clicking straitjacket of a pure gui.
Of course, this is a digression from the installer bug, and for that, may I ask if an installation report has been submitted so that the issue gets fixed?
Debian is supposed to be the pillar, the foundation of Linux. It should not have installation bugs.
You have a mistaken impression of Debian. It is not written by the immortals, and given to the masses as some kind of divine donation. Mistakes happen.
I can understand advanced bugs that could not have been noticed before, but not simple ones. From what I have heard about Debian, a contributor is not accepted officially till atleast 5 or more years,
That is untrue. Where are you getting these, uum, simplisticly improbable, stories from? (while the new maintainer process is lengthy, I have known people to make it in in about a month).
in order to ensure that what is contributed is of the highest quality level. Debian does not release its distros as often as Ubuntu, in order to ensure more stability. A Debian distro should work out of the box without any setup issues.
You have a very unrealistic idea of quality of software in general -- there is no last bug. There is never any non toy bug free software. And if the bug was not reported, it is not going to get fixed -- which means you are not doing your part in the process.
The Debian distribution is meant to be a community effort, and definitely not designed for the so called non-contributing paying customer. (Ask me about the my dining philosophers epiphany if you find the goals and motivations of free software contributors like myself of interest)
manoj
On Saturday 20 January 2007 22:14, Rony wrote:
Debian is supposed to be the pillar, the foundation of Linux. It should not have installation bugs.
Exceptions prove the rule. And shows how important having the code is - irrespective of what all the gods say. Cursory googling does not show any such bug. Which means probably u have discovered one.
I can understand advanced bugs that could not have been noticed before, but not simple ones.
Welcome to the real software world. U discover bugs and acknowledge and correct them. Or bury one's head in the sand and do nothing. Also all bugs are trivial given sufficient eye balls. And yours were the ideal nth+1 eyeball.
. A Debian distro should work out of the box without any setup issues.
It should but does not in our part of the universe. So what are u supposed to do? File bug reports ofcourse. U could also mail the maintainer for tasksel, which is a lot better than mailing to helpdesk@whocares.com
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 22:14 +0530, Rony wrote:
Debian is supposed to be the pillar, the foundation of Linux. It should not have installation bugs. I can understand advanced bugs that could
Bugs are very tricky things to quash. Incase of a project where thousands of people contribute, its very difficult to get rid of all bugs! So cut them some slack. After all, they are a bunch of disorganized, unpaid, freelancers who may or may not have formal training in CSE. And its only a toy OS. Nothing real, right ;)
P.S.: Those who dont get the pun may end their lives by jumping off some building.
P.S2.: The above P.S. was meant to be a joke and not to be taken seriously.
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:54:25 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com said:
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 22:14 +0530, Rony wrote:
Debian is supposed to be the pillar, the foundation of Linux. It should not have installation bugs. I can understand advanced bugs that could
Bugs are very tricky things to quash. Incase of a project where thousands of people contribute, its very difficult to get rid of all bugs!
It is even harder when the bugs are not reported. It is impossible to replicate all possible target machine environments and configurations in testing.
So cut them some slack. After all, they are a bunch of disorganized, unpaid, freelancers who may or may not have formal training in CSE. And its only a toy OS. Nothing real, right ;)
None of the above adjectives is, in truth, correct. The project is fairly well organized, with specific teams and team leaders in charge of specific areas, there is a QA group, a security group, and so on,
With the advent of canonical, progeny, IBM, and now dunc-tank, some fraction of the developers are actually paid to work on Debian.
Most people involved in Debian are professionals, and the vast majority have degrees in the field -- and there is a NM process that would weed out, one hopes, omst of the unprofessional and the incompetent.
BTW, adding a smiley after insults does not abrogate the rudeness; and no, I do not find denigrating other people and their work to be funny.
manoj
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 12:51 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:54:25 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@XXXXXXXXXX said:
Fix your broken mail client or never quote me again on this list. I dont wish to get more spam in my mailbox.
None of the above adjectives is, in truth, correct. Theproject is fairly well organized, with specific teams and team leaders in charge of specific areas, there is a QA group, a security group, and so on,
Did you read my post completely? Especially the part at the end? Its obvious that you have not read it. I am not going to sit and explain it because I dont want to do it 5 times to make you understand it. Its something called as satire...
FYKI, Linux has always been perceived as a hobby OS, a Toy OS. Nothing big, nothing real. It has been perceived as being created by thousands of people in a very disorganized manner ( as compared to the traditional cathedral model. Have you read Cathedral and the Bazaar for that matter? ). Despite all these facts, Linux was adopted by <INSERT YOUR FAVORITE COMPANY HERE EXCEPT M$> and its generating billions of dollars of revenue and its being used in all conceivable fields. Not bad for a toy OS, eh? :P
BTW, adding a smiley after insults does not abrogate therudeness; and no, I do not find denigrating other people and their work to be funny.
Obviously, everyone doesn't have a sense of humor or has a poor understanding of the subject. Both type of people must refrain from replying without fully understanding the poster's point or else they shall make a fool of themselves in front of 700 odd people.
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:47:02 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com said:
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 12:51 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:54:25 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@XXXXXXXXXX said:
Fix your broken mail client or never quote me again on this list. I dont wish to get more spam in my mailbox.
What is broken in my mailer?
None of the above adjectives is, in truth, correct. The project is fairly well organized, with specific teams and team leaders in charge of specific areas, there is a QA group, a security group, and so on,
Did you read my post completely? Especially the part at the end? Its obvious that you have not read it. I am not going to sit and explain it because I dont want to do it 5 times to make you understand it. Its something called as satire...
I did read the part where you tried to explain how your insults were all a joke, tee-hee. I found it less than compelling.
FYKI, Linux has always been perceived as a hobby OS, a Toy OS. Nothing big, nothing real. It has been perceived as being created by thousands of people in a very disorganized manner ( as compared to the traditional cathedral model. Have you read Cathedral and the Bazaar for that matter? ). Despite all these facts, Linux was adopted by <INSERT YOUR FAVORITE COMPANY HERE EXCEPT M$> and its generating billions of dollars of revenue and its being used in all conceivable fields. Not bad for a toy OS, eh? :P
I have no idea who thought of Linux, and the brethren free BSD based UNIX operating systems as a Toy. The circles I move in, the phrase is used to describe Windows, and not UNIX and clones.
BTW, adding a smiley after insults does not abrogate the rudeness; and no, I do not find denigrating other people and their work to be funny.
Obviously, everyone doesn't have a sense of humor or has a poor understanding of the subject. Both type of people must refrain from replying without fully understanding the poster's point or else they shall make a fool of themselves in front of 700 odd people.
I suppose I must be one of those who has a poor understanding of Linux and operating systems in general. I am looking forward to being enlightened.
manoj
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 13:43 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:47:02 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@XXXXXXXXXXX said: What is broken in my mailer?
Do you see my mail client quoting your email address in this public-mailing-list-which-gets-published-all-over-the-internet?
I did read the part where you tried to explain how yourinsults were all a joke, tee-hee. I found it less than compelling.
Whatever...you're being an idiot if you think i insulted anything. As I said earlier I wont be explaining.
I have no idea who thought of Linux, and the brethren freeBSD based UNIX operating systems as a Toy. The circles I move in, the phrase is used to describe Windows, and not UNIX and clones.
Uh....you're kidding, right? Ever heard of Steve Ballmer? Bill Gates? Hello??? Microsoft? Rest of the world?
I suppose I must be one of those who has a poor understandingof Linux and operating systems in general. I am looking forward to being enlightened.
I have better things to do :)
Cheers!
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:54:03 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com said:
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 13:43 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:47:02 +0530, Dinesh Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@XXXXXXXXXXX said: What is broken in my mailer?
Do you see my mail client quoting your email address in this public-mailing-list-which-gets-published-all-over-the-internet?
Yup. That is not broken behaviour; it is creating an attribution exactly as it was designed to do.
I did read the part where you tried to explain how your insults were all a joke, tee-hee. I found it less than compelling.
Whatever...you're being an idiot if you think i insulted
^^^^^
anything. As I said earlier I wont be explaining.
Nice.
I have no idea who thought of Linux, and the brethren free BSD based UNIX operating systems as a Toy. The circles I move in, the phrase is used to describe Windows, and not UNIX and clones.
Uh....you're kidding, right? Ever heard of Steve Ballmer? Bill Gates? Hello??? Microsoft? Rest of the world?
So they think UNIX, which they tried so hard to copy, is a Toy? And while they might be entitled to their opinion, and think Linux is a Toy, I, and the people I work/play with, continue to think their efforts created a Toy OS that shall never come close to our work spaces.
I suppose I must be one of those who has a poor understanding of Linux and operating systems in general. I am looking forward to being enlightened.
I have better things to do :)
A pity. I could have learned so so very much.
manoj
Sometime on Sunday 21 January 2007 01:54, Dinesh Joshi said:
I did read the part where you tried to explain how yourinsults were all a joke, tee-hee. I found it less than compelling.
Whatever...you're being an idiot if you think i insulted anything. As I said earlier I wont be explaining.
Hi Dinesh, would you mind being little polite?
Anurag
I downloaded Debian Sarge and tried to install it. The installation went fine. But I think i missed to select the "Desktop" option during installation. If I enter "startx" command i encounter errors. I thought Xfree86 was not installed. so I tried 'apt-get install x-windows-system'. I found this in the Internet. But still "startx"
# apt-get install gdm
This ought to get your GUI ready, however if it throws some funny error like ``This package is referred to by another" or ``this package has no installation candidate" go to the Debian site and do a search for that package, you'll see all of its dependencies neatly shown towards the end of the page.
Then
# apt-get install YOUR_PACKAGE_NAME
You generally follow this for all packages you wish to install.
wouldnt work. I am trying to figure that out.
But I have a question. When I first installed Sarge. I could see a X11 folder in /etc. Why was this folder created if X was not installed initially? Is it created by default?
i guess it did not install all of the stuff needed to get X up.
Regards,
- vihan
2007/1/18, Varadarajan V nirvanar@gmail.com:
Hi,
I downloaded Debian Sarge and tried to install it.
I would suggest you try Debian etch (about to be realeased and currently under freeze) http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Try the weekly snapshots. Which what I use at home & office and also recommends/installs for my friends. It has a much improved installer (with gui) and lot of latest packages.
The installation went fine.
But I think i missed to select the "Desktop" option during installation. If I enter "startx" command i encounter errors. I thought Xfree86 was not installed. so I tried 'apt-get install x-windows-system'. I found this in the Internet. But still "startx"
apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86
wouldnt work. I am trying to figure that out.
But I have a question. When I first installed Sarge. I could see a X11 folder in /etc. Why was this folder created if X was not installed initially? Is it created by default?
I think it is created by default.
On 18-Jan-07, at 3:18 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
You can try OpenSolaris too. Sun is going to release it under the GNU GPLv3, so alongwith GNU/Linux and *BSD, it is another free operating system.
Mind Blowing! Its an ``in your face" for all of GPL v3's critics :-)
dead project - even GPL v3 cannot hurt it ;-)
On 18-Jan-07, at 6:52 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
dead project - even GPL v3 cannot hurt it ;-)
i agree OpenSolaris cannot even scratch the surface of what SOLARIS on SPARC/Ultra SPARC can do but does that really qualify it as a dead project?
why else would sun have opensourced it?
i agree OpenSolaris cannot even scratch the surface of what SOLARIS on SPARC/Ultra SPARC can do but does that really qualify it as a dead project?
why else would sun have opensourced it?
By that same logic are you implying Java is also a dead project?
Regards,
- vihan
On 18-Jan-07, at 7:26 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
why else would sun have opensourced it?
By that same logic are you implying Java is also a dead project?
yes
2007/1/18, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
yes
Is it because you don't use java?
Cheers Praveen
On 18-Jan-07, at 7:57 PM, പ്രവീണ്|Praveen എ|A wrote:
yes
Is it because you don't use java?
no
2007/1/18, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
why else would sun have opensourced it?
What about java then? Is it because java is dead?
Cheers Praveen
On Thursday 18 January 2007 18:40, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 18-Jan-07, at 3:18 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
You can try OpenSolaris too. Sun is going to release it under the GNU GPLv3, so alongwith GNU/Linux and *BSD, it is another free operating system.
Mind Blowing! Its an ``in your face" for all of GPL v3's critics :-)
dead project - even GPL v3 cannot hurt it ;-)
Threads on large multiprocessor systems was allegedly much better than linux.
Hi
On 1/18/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On 18-Jan-07, at 3:18 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
You can try OpenSolaris too. Sun is going to release it under the GNU GPLv3, so alongwith GNU/Linux and *BSD, it is another free operating system.
Mind Blowing! Its an ``in your face" for all of GPL v3's critics :-)
dead project - even GPL v3 cannot hurt it ;-)
How so? Afaik there is team behind it, and there are derivatives of OpenSolaris - Belenix ( started and still largely maintained in India by Moinak and his team ) being one of the primary ones.
Cheers!
Pradeepto
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