The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India. In the previous draft dated 25/11/2009, our major objection was to section 4.1.2 of the policy which said,
"4.1.2 The essential patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should preferably be available on a Royalty-Free (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then RF on Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered."
Our comment on this section reads:
The usage of terms like “preferably” in a section titled, “Mandatory Characteristics” weakens the section and could even render it meaningless. Mandatory characteristics should be laid out clearly and unambiguously,
The term “essential patent claims,” is meaningless because a standard cannot be implemented partially. Therefore, the ENTIRE standard should be royalty-free and not just the "essential" parts of it. In other words, ALL patent claims necessary to implement the standard should be royalty-free. Also, RF on FRAND/RAND is self-contradictory. If a Standard is Royalty Free (RF) then it cannot be RAND. Therefore, the wording of this section should be changed to "ALL patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should be available on a Royalty-Free (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered.”
As you can see from the extract below, the points mentioned above have been incorporated In the recently finalized policy. This section now reads:
4.1.2 The Patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard shall be made available on a Royalty-Free basis for the life time of the Standard.
Overall, I'd say this is a major victory for the Indian FOSS community and more than three years of hard work have paid off. The file can be downloaded from:
http://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-standthe suggestions mards/egscontent.2010-11-12.9124322046/at_download/filehttp://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-standards/egscontent.2010-11-12.9124322046/at_download/file
or from:
http://egovstandards.gov.inhttp://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-standards/egscontent.2010-11-12.9124322046/at_download/file(click on the links on the top left hand side).
Venky
On Friday 12 November 2010 17:39:52 Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India. In the previous draft dated 25/11/2009, our major objection was to section 4.1.2 of the policy which said,
"4.1.2 The essential patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should preferably be available on a Royalty-Free (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then RF on Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered."
Our comment on this section reads:
The usage of terms like “preferably” in a section titled, “Mandatory Characteristics” weakens the section and could even render it meaningless. Mandatory characteristics should be laid out clearly and unambiguously,
The term “essential patent claims,” is meaningless because a standard cannot be implemented partially. Therefore, the ENTIRE standard should be royalty-free and not just the "essential" parts of it. In other words, ALL patent claims necessary to implement the standard should be royalty-free. Also, RF on FRAND/RAND is self-contradictory. If a Standard is Royalty Free (RF) then it cannot be RAND. Therefore, the wording of this section should be changed to "ALL patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard should be available on a Royalty-Free (no payment and no restrictions) basis for the life time of the standard. However, if such Standards are not found feasible and in the wider public interest, then Fair, Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (FRAND) or Reasonable and Non Discriminatory terms and conditions (RAND) could be considered.”
As you can see from the extract below, the points mentioned above have been incorporated In the recently finalized policy. This section now reads:
4.1.2 The Patent claims necessary to implement the Identified Standard shall be made available on a Royalty-Free basis for the life time of the Standard.
Overall, I'd say this is a major victory for the Indian FOSS community and more than three years of hard work have paid off. The file can be downloaded from:
http://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-standthe suggestions mards/egscontent.2010-11-12.9124322046/at_download/filehttp://egov standards.gov.in/approved-standards/egscontent.2010-11-12.9124322046 /at_download/file
d. It shall not impose any further conditions or restrictions on the use of any technology, intellectual property rights, or other restrictions on behaviour of the licensee, but may include reasonable, customary terms like relating to operation or maintenance of the license relationship such as the following: choice of law and dispute resolution.
There has to a be worm, otherwise babudom will not be recoginsed as such / per se.
Nonetheless a great achievemnet.
A big thakyou for all those involved in getting this done.
or from:
http://egovstandards.gov.inhttp://egovstandards.gov.in/approved-st andards/egscontent.2010-11-12.9124322046/at_download/file(click on the links on the top left hand side).
Venky
Hi,
On 11/12/2010 06:50 PM, jtd wrote:
On Friday 12 November 2010 17:39:52 Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India.
[...snip...] Nonetheless a great achievemnet.
A big thakyou for all those involved in getting this done.
I second that. Kudos to everyone involved !! Thanks to all of the guys who devote time and effort to deal with the government and various bureaucracies to keep in check and improve government policies on all things software related.
I am guessing it is a tedious and frustrating job and might seem thankless, but know that you have our gratitude.
cheers, - steve
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:16 PM, steve steve@lonetwin.net wrote:
Hi,
On 11/12/2010 06:50 PM, jtd wrote:
On Friday 12 November 2010 17:39:52 Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India.
[...snip...] Nonetheless a great achievemnet.
A big thakyou for all those involved in getting this done.
[ ... snip ... ]
Albeit mostly a reader on ilug-bom, I'll add my thanks in too. A heartfelt one.
cheers, Chetan.
On 12 November 2010 17:39, Venkatesh Hariharan venkyh@gmail.com wrote:
The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India.
Thanks it was a huge effort , congrats:)
just curious will this affect the UID issue ? Also am curious on when all these policies will get implemented?
Regards, Pavithran
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:11 PM, pavithran s pavi.eu@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 17:39, Venkatesh Hariharan venkyh@gmail.com wrote:
The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of
the
suggestions made by the FOSS community in India.
Thanks it was a huge effort , congrats:)
just curious will this affect the UID issue ? Also am curious on when all these policies will get implemented?
Regards, Pavithran -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
This is intended for all government to government, and government to citizens projects. A committee is now evaluating various standards against the mandatory and desirable criteria set out in this policy. Once the standards for each area have been identified, these will be notified and will have to be followed by e-gov projects. My understanding is that these will also be a part of the RFPs. In other words, the standards will be built into the specifications for the project from inception.
Over the last three years, we worked with our friends in government, academic, civil society, the FOSS community and the media to push the Indian government in favor of a policy that mandates a single, royalty-free standard. Some of us are very visible because we write/scream about this issue, therefore I'd like to thank some of the unsung heroes who made this happen -- the folks within govt and academia who put in tremendous amount of work behind the scenes to make this policy a reality.
Venky
Hi,
On 11/12/2010 08:45 PM, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
This is intended for all government to government, and government to citizens projects. A committee is now evaluating various standards against the mandatory and desirable criteria set out in this policy. Once the standards for each area have been identified, these will be notified and will have to be followed by e-gov projects. My understanding is that these will also be a part of the RFPs. In other words, the standards will be built into the specifications for the project from inception.
Over the last three years, we worked with our friends in government, academic, civil society, the FOSS community and the media to push the Indian government in favor of a policy that mandates a single, royalty-free standard. Some of us are very visible because we write/scream about this issue, therefore I'd like to thank some of the unsung heroes who made this happen -- the folks within govt and academia who put in tremendous amount of work behind the scenes to make this policy a reality.
Isn't there someone associated with LFY who hangs out here ? Maybe they should do an article about this and give it a bit more visibility. I keep hearing about the 'folks within govt and academia' who understand an work a lot towards making such efforts possible, it would be nice to know have them recognized.
Anyone who has contacts in online/paper based tech. publications should reach out to them with this and similar success stories. Shameless self-promotion ought to work for FOSS too :) !
cheers, - steve
2010/11/12 pavithran s pavi.eu@gmail.com:
On 12 November 2010 17:39, Venkatesh Hariharan venkyh@gmail.com wrote:
The open standards policy has been finalized and it incorporates many of the suggestions made by the FOSS community in India.
Thanks it was a huge effort , congrats:)
just curious will this affect the UID issue ? Also am curious on when all these policies will get implemented?
UID is already getting into vendor lockins - see, for example:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article863657.ece
I hope the UID folks do have to adhere to this policy.
Binand