Dear Mumbai Linuxers
May I suggest a topic for the meeting? This is to meet an urgent and very real need of a service group that I happen to think is particularly important to India, and Mumbai as well.
The service group is cybercafe operators. Currently, as many of you know, cybercafes are very tiny outfits, aside from the hyped up Sifys and Webworlds, which are just a handful.
Most of these outfits use Windows in various flavors - I hesitate to call it MS Windows, for the simple reason that most copies are in fact pirated and of poor quality (now, now, let's not get ;-) nasty everyone, about the quality of the native product).
As a result, when the police get into one of their sudden spurts of public spirit and barge into these little corner shops, enthusiastically rounding up customers and owners indiscriminately, while purportedly looking for offcolour downloads and spies around every corner, they have a very easy and genuine excuse for harassment - illegal software. The current level of hafta is around one month's gross revenue for a small cafe, renewable whenever the local officer concerned gets transferred and a new one comes around hungry.
So what's the solution, and how can we help?
Most of these businesses are really small, and are quite technically unequipped to deal with issues of software and hardware. They depend on small assemblers for their low cost machines, and this usually means the machines come preloaded with some form of Windows OS, and the usual slew of applications that customers want.
I don't know what cybercafe customers actually want by way of applications, and I suspect that not many of us do either. What I am suggesting is that we turn the LUG meet into a session where representatives of both cybercafes and small assemblers can come, with the objective being to make a wish-list. We need to find out what the statistically typical hardware configuration is, what the commonly used applications are, and to make a distro that will install on most cybercafe machines.
This distro can be duplicated either by members for a small fee, or turned over to the cybercafe reps at some point, or distributed through Mumbai IT magazines, or whatever. These points need to be worked out in consultation with the target audience ie., the owners and the assemblers. Idea is of course ease of use for both cybercafe owners and for the assemblers, who as you know are hardly aware that there are any choices in OS other than Windows.
I think that although the owners are really very small businesses, and as a group quite unorganised, we may possibly be able to create a set of local micro-businesses for members doing this (keeping the distros updated and uniform over time). I am thinking not just of the task of making readymade distros, but of low cost training (neighborhood informal training schools) for assemblers and their techies.
If this idea sounds interesting to you all, please do offer your yeas or nays here on the list. Dr Jitu Shah is already sensitised to this matter, and has I understand offered the use of the C-DAC offices in Nariman Point (capacity 60 persons seating) for a meeting on the subject. 9 Jan sounds like a good date for such a meeting, kicking off the new year on a very positive and socially useful manner.
I do hope that some or all of you agree.
On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 11:49, Amish Munshi wrote:
Hello all,
Where can we have the meeting on 9th? What is the agenda?
Amish.
We can do this at MET this time--around 60 of their students are likely to attend. Satish Mohan of Red Hat is willing to talk on Open Source Architecture. This talk was also given at the Calcutta LUG and around 100 people attended.
Venky
On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 10:19:25AM +0530, Vickram Crishna wrote:
I do hope that some or all of you agree.
Not only can they save themselves from illegal softwares, but if they are willing they can become the major force for GNU/Linux distribution, they have the bandwidth and they can download the ISO's and sell them for a reasonable fee. The problem is not in your concept, but we need to get to reality that they cannot call their friends who can help them over the phone when the computer does not work. Also who will buy the GNU/Linux CDs from them, and if you find a few people who are interested in purchasing it, who will provide help to them with installation and troubleshooting?
Most of us want CD's for free, we are not willing to pay a rupee more than the cost of the media, not even for the time the person spent writting the CDs for you. GNU/Linux CDs are easily available for Rs. 100/- per CD in many locations, but people dont want to buy those.
Help and support are major problems in GNU/Linux due to the number of distributions and the large range of possibilities where it can be used. I beg, please DO NOT CREATE ONE MORE DISTRIBUTION for cybercafe's. Use one which is already existing and already has enough documenation, books, online support forums. I recommend either SuSE, Debian or RH.
Amish.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:14:39 +0530, Amish Munshi lists@munshi.biz wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 10:19:25AM +0530, Vickram Crishna wrote:
I do hope that some or all of you agree.
Second if u think from and end users point of view this does not fit well. Take an example of Gaim.It does not support voice chat for MSN or yahoo. Take the esxample for MS OFFICE.There are people who send out resumes or any such material thru cyber cafes.There are some last minute formatting needed.And when these people find some other OS they would get frustrated.Some of my resumes don't open up properly in OpenOffice.There are may such things which needs to be very much compatilble with MS thing. I myself have been using linux for the past few years(without dual boot).But whenever i need to seds resume i(people explicitly ask MS Word format only)I get pissed off. It's not only about one end getting converted to GNU. Many a times cyber waalas also have gaming parlours.What about that?Are there enough mind blowing games in Linux to convince them to convert? Regarding haftas they have become an expert in that and have their contacts and information network to deal with that. What will a hawaldar know the difference between opensource ,GNU and proprietary........ Even if he installs linux the hawaldar is still going to catch hold of him(after all he doesn't know linux is opensource,...........) Recent bazee ceo case is an example of this......
Pankaj
On Friday 31 Dec 2004 10:19 am, Vickram Crishna wrote:
We can do this at MET this time--around 60 of their students are likely to attend. Satish Mohan of Red Hat is willing to talk on Open Source Architecture. This talk was also given at the Calcutta LUG and around 100 people attended.
It would be good if the meeting can take place at Bandra, I am also plannin on attending it. Its going to be my second meet in 5 years.
Vickram will you also be there?