Just last week i was conductin trainin for Novel. And guess wat, durin the trainin it just came up that novell was drawin up a game plan towards attackin schools/colleges with Netware/NDS and a whole lot of crappy s/w.
I guess it's high time we got into aktion.....I hav been tryin to do my bit for the past 1.5 years at various Engineerin colleges evangelin abt Open Source.
Hi,
I think in the new engineering syllabus (starting this academic year), First Year students have Unix in their portion (someone please confirm this). In that case they *have* to use Linux on their machines.
Regards, Nikhil.
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:11:36AM -0000, Nikhil Karkera wrote:
Hi,
I think in the new engineering syllabus (starting this academic year), First Year students have Unix in their portion (someone please confirm this). In that case they *have* to use Linux on their machines.
Well, *might* be true!
Actually, I gave a lecture on Linux at the MGM engineering college at Panvel on 19th October, where I was told that the first year students were being introduced to Linux as it was related the syllabus.
Didn't quite think too much about that! Duh!!
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Ravindra Jaju wrote:
I think in the new engineering syllabus (starting this academic year), First Year students have Unix in their portion (someone please confirm this). In that case they *have* to use Linux on their machines.
Yes, this is true. Linux and C programming are compulsory subjects from FE. All engg college profs have had to go through a refresher course. Nagarjuna and I gave lectures at one such course.
Philip
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Philip S Tellis wrote:
->On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Ravindra Jaju wrote: -> ->> > I think in the new engineering syllabus (starting this academic year), First ->> > Year students have Unix in their portion (someone please confirm this). In ->> > that case they *have* to use Linux on their machines. -> ->Yes, this is true. Linux and C programming are compulsory subjects from ->FE. All engg college profs have had to go through a refresher course. ->Nagarjuna and I gave lectures at one such course. ->
BTW I am taking 12 specail lectures for Bombay University PGDIT students in GNU/LINUX. There seems to be sufficient heat in the list, let us make the list of topics and may be we can even develop some documentation. Trevor! Could you take a note of all the people who said yes to your proposal and then one day we shall meet and work out the details.
Nagarjuna
Hey Guys.. I am not really a Techie, but want to be a part of the team... Do u folks thing there is anything for me to conribute........... Now don't pull me in to stand & clap, I sure can manage more than that :-) --Sandeep
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Philip S Tellis wrote:
->On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Ravindra Jaju wrote: -> ->> > I think in the new engineering syllabus (starting this academic
year), First
->> > Year students have Unix in their portion (someone please confirm
this). In
->> > that case they *have* to use Linux on their machines. -> ->Yes, this is true. Linux and C programming are compulsory subjects from ->FE. All engg college profs have had to go through a refresher course. ->Nagarjuna and I gave lectures at one such course. ->
BTW I am taking 12 specail lectures for Bombay University PGDIT students in GNU/LINUX. There seems to be sufficient heat in the list, let us make the list of topics and may be we can even develop some documentation. Trevor! Could you take a note of all the people who said yes to your proposal and then one day we shall meet and work out the details.
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--- Ravindra Jaju jaju@it.iitb.ac.in wrote:
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:11:36AM -0000, Nikhil Karkera wrote:
that case they *have* to use Linux on their
machines.
Well, *might* be true! introduced to Linux as it was related the syllabus.
Didn't quite think too much about that! Duh!!
[snip] guess it makes no sense using *nix while not knowin nythin abt the beauty that lies @ the core.....most of the times students make use of the O.S. just cause they r forced to do so...not 'cause they hav a passion for doin so.
Introducin Open Source/Linux to the students and cultivatin an interest during the college years will spark off talent in the right direction......there's lot of talent out there......only waitin for us to channel it in the right direction, give them the choices before they r forced to pursue carrers on technology ain't worth a dime, all cause there WASN'T SOME1 TO SHOW THEM THE WAY....
Trevor Warren
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I like the last part about "cultivating interest during...". I feel School is a better level, say 6-7 std. onwards. So by the time they are in XII they will have a fair understanding of the OS & can get on with C programming, and greatly contribute to the Open Source community. The basics must be imbibed at that stage. It is easier said than done, but a good thaught I guess'. --Sandeep
--- Ravindra Jaju jaju@it.iitb.ac.in wrote:
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:11:36AM -0000, Nikhil Karkera wrote:
that case they *have* to use Linux on their
machines.
Well, *might* be true! introduced to Linux as it was related the syllabus.
Didn't quite think too much about that! Duh!!
[snip] guess it makes no sense using *nix while not knowin nythin abt the beauty that lies @ the core.....most of the times students make use of the O.S. just cause they r forced to do so...not 'cause they hav a passion for doin so.
Introducin Open Source/Linux to the students and cultivatin an interest during the college years will spark off talent in the right direction......there's lot of talent out there......only waitin for us to channel it in the right direction, give them the choices before they r forced to pursue carrers on technology ain't worth a dime, all cause there WASN'T SOME1 TO SHOW THEM THE WAY....
Trevor Warren
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Sandeep Periwal <yahoo> wrote:
I like the last part about "cultivating interest during...". I feel School is a better level, say 6-7 std. onwards. So by the time they are in XII they will have a fair
It is very very tough to get linux into schools. We'll have to be a lot more adept ourselves, and be willing to provide support 24/7. And I don't mean mailing list support, I mean actually going there and fixing problems, training staff, and replacing all windows apps.
Philip
True Philip I agree, but I think if some folks can volunter, may be we can do a pilot with one shcool, and if successful add more. May be I am too optimistic !! what does ur experience say. --Sandeep
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Sandeep Periwal <yahoo> wrote:
I like the last part about "cultivating interest during...". I feel School is a better level, say 6-7 std. onwards. So by the time they are in XII they will have a fair
It is very very tough to get linux into schools. We'll have to be a lot more adept ourselves, and be willing to provide support 24/7. And I don't mean mailing list support, I mean actually going there and fixing problems, training staff, and replacing all windows apps.
Philip
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Sandeep Periwal <yahoo> wrote:
True Philip I agree, but I think if some folks can volunter, may be we can do a pilot with one shcool, and if successful add more. May be I am too optimistic !! what does ur experience say.
Well, schools follow a strict syllabus that is not open to experimentation like colleges are. So that is a real problem.
Philip
On Tuesday 06 November 2001 05:23 pm, Philip S Tellis wrote:
It is very very tough to get linux into schools. We'll have to be a lot more adept ourselves, and be willing to provide support 24/7. And I don't mean mailing list support, I mean actually going there and fixing problems, training staff, and replacing all windows apps.
Not just that. There is tremendous resistance from the faculty as they are at best ill at ease with computers. Adding a new os is tatntamount to putting them at the same level as the students (who any way are teaching the teachers quite often). This is first hand experience at my nephew's school. In another school where my sis-in-law teaches I had offered free 24/7 support and free installation and training. Instead the managment spent about a lac on windows. If they did not utilise the software budget they would not get funds the next year (I think it was more abt augmenting incomes than anything else). The non commercial approach triggers a "saint v/s sinner" reaction. The commercial approach requires great undersatnding of computing and TOC issues from people who want nothing to do with it.
Can you explain what you mean by "saint v/s sinner" and "TOC issues". I'm not quite clear.
than anything else). The non commercial approach triggers a "saint v/s sinner" reaction. The commercial approach requires great understanding of computing and TOC issues from people who want nothing to do with it.
Your point about budgets makes this more interesting, and I think it seriously impacts the 'free-beer' Linux in colleges approach that I was pushing. What are your suggestions.
-Vaibhav.
-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of jtd Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:52 AM To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux in Schools- ground reality
On Tuesday 06 November 2001 05:23 pm, Philip S Tellis wrote:
It is very very tough to get linux into schools. We'll have to be a lot more adept ourselves, and be willing to provide support 24/7. And I don't mean mailing list support, I mean actually going there and fixing problems, training staff, and replacing all windows apps.
Not just that. There is tremendous resistance from the faculty as they are at best ill at ease with computers. Adding a new os is tatntamount to putting them at the same level as the students (who any way are teaching the teachers quite often). This is first hand experience at my nephew's school. In another school where my sis-in-law teaches I had offered free 24/7 support and free installation and training. Instead the managment spent about a lac on windows. If they did not utilise the software budget they would not get funds the next year (I think it was more abt augmenting incomes than anything else). The non commercial approach triggers a "saint v/s sinner" reaction. The commercial approach requires great undersatnding of computing and TOC issues from people who want nothing to do with it.
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Vaibhav Arya wrote:
Your point about budgets makes this more interesting, and I think it seriously impacts the 'free-beer' Linux in colleges approach that I was pushing. What are your suggestions.
Basically, if they have budgets that have to be used (we do too), then the best thing is to reclassify that budget.
Rather than saying budget for software, say budget for IT and IT support.
That way, they can allocate it to software, hardware, tech support and even books on the subject.
Philip
--- Vaibhav Arya vaibhav@vsnl.com wrote:
Can you explain what you mean by "saint v/s sinner"
That paying for software means depriving the less privilged from aquiring skills (digital divide) That closed source of neccessity enslaves people to an unneccessary dependence. And that the teaching profession is the one that needs to address these issues more than anybody. The current "private tutions" syndrome (wherein teachers pressurize parents) immediately triggers a defensive attitude.
and "TOC issues". I'm
Total Ownership Cost. (Maintainece, upgrades, viruses etc.)
Recently the government of Maharashtra floated a tender for purchase of 200 copies of windows XP for their computer in education program. I think it was for the Vidharbha region.
The opensource community does not have the capability to introduce specifications like these into tenders. Or for that matter file a PIL against such ridiculous tenders.
Occasionally you will find me ranting against opensource distro companies. While they seem to have plenty of time and money to screw up the distro (instead of using Debian) none of them have the faintest clue on tendering and specs processes within the government. I have yet to see a tender floated stating supply of x copies of Linux. Again there is a major commercial issue here. After ABCLinux INC. manages to have the government publish a tender for Linux how would they get the order? Myhombrew & Co. can supply the tenderer a distro at Rs.150/-. The direction in which the Infotech industry has moved will cause it to be utterly destroyed by opensource. But that is another story.
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and "TOC issues". I'm
Total Ownership Cost. (Maintainece, upgrades, viruses etc.)
I've heard this commonly expressed as TCO. Total Cost of Ownership.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandeep Periwal <yahoo>" sandeep_from@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:54 PM
I like the last part about "cultivating interest during...". I feel School is a better level, say 6-7 std. onwards. So by the time they are in XII they will have a fair understanding of the OS & can get on with C programming, and greatly contribute to the Open Source community. The basics must be imbibed at that stage.
Nice thought, but don't you think 6-7 std. students have better things to do? You want to put them onto Linux and C programming??? How many of those students will choose a career in computers :)) and how many of these will choose open source as their path? Don't think too many!
Manish
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No Manish, u did not read right.... I said, once they are in XII they can get on with C programming.... obviously assuming that they would be interested.in C etc. In school, is just Linux Desktop... Gnome, Appli, etc ... --Sandeep
I like the last part about "cultivating interest during...". I feel School is a better level, say 6-7 std. onwards. So by the time they are in XII they will have a fair understanding of the OS & can get on with C programming, and greatly contribute to the Open Source community. The basics must be imbibed at that stage.
Nice thought, but don't you think 6-7 std. students have better things to do? You want to put them onto Linux and C programming??? How many of those students will choose a career in computers :)) and how many of these will choose open source as their path? Don't think too many!
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Guys:
Listen, I've been following what you are saying about engg. colleges, and the idea of getting engg students hooked onto Linux is great, but I am not sure sermonizing (you may call it evangelism if you like) is the best way.
Why not defeat the commercial software behemoths (Novel, MS, the list is endless) at their own game. Why not seed colleges? Once the software is on their desktop, the more technically adept ones will be exploring the innards in no time. They are the ones that you want to hook first anyways, they are the best evangelists that we can buy/steal/borrow, they'll in turn grow the Linux community at their colleges.
Lets make a distribution of Linux that does exactly what an engg college requires, and then give it to them free.
The way I see it there are 2 distro's needed. (Admin and Student are similar)
1. Server: mail, authenticated web access, proxy, directory service, etc...
2. Student Desktop: This is different for different engg streams, but I am guessing for an EE-Mech E student, some sort of Data Capture and Analysis software, some sort of Graphing Mathematical Package (like MAthcad/Mathematica?), A Word Processor (Open Office please)
3. Admin Desktop: Student Desktop minus EE/MechE packages, plus email clients, plus Line of Business apps (accounting, etc) And most important, Wine / DosEMU -- To be able to run existing Windows apps that they are used to.
(My perspective on this might be wrong, I did not attend nor have ever visited our target engineering colleges, but just writing about what I used at college)
The idea behind this is that:
1. Admins welcome it (no more paying for licenses, no more risk of pirated software, fewer viruses/worms)
2. Students see practical value of Linux as an OS. And it enables them to run the same apps that they use at college on their PC's at home (I for one could never afford to buy Mathematica, though we used it in classes)
3. Once I have Linux running on My desktop, I would really like to figure out how to run "My favorite IM" or some other tool. This will teach me how to deal with Linux.
4. This now gives us a fertile ground to start evangelizing further. And also hopefully we have 'ground troops' by then that can actually deliver on the promise of Linux, by actually following up with friends who show interest and installing Linux on their PC's, helping them with simple questions, etc...
What do you guys say? Makes sense?
Can some one also describe what is the available computing resources in a sample engineering college, also what the needs might be, (I'm pretty sure that my perception needs to be synchronized with reality)
Is your turn now...
Vaibhav.
PS: My company is working on a server distribution and will be glad to help.
-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Ravindra Jaju Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:29 PM To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Wat abt our Linux in Schools/Colleges initiative
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:11:36AM -0000, Nikhil Karkera wrote:
Hi,
I think in the new engineering syllabus (starting this academic
year), First
Year students have Unix in their portion (someone please
confirm this). In
that case they *have* to use Linux on their machines.
Well, *might* be true!
Actually, I gave a lecture on Linux at the MGM engineering college at Panvel on 19th October, where I was told that the first year students were being introduced to Linux as it was related the syllabus.
Didn't quite think too much about that! Duh!!
-- jaju _______________________________________________
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:49:00PM +0530, Vaibhav Arya wrote:
Lets make a distribution of Linux that does exactly what an engg college requires, and then give it to them free.
<snip>
PS: My company is working on a server distribution and will be glad to help.
cool!
i remember that there was an initiative once to make a distro!
it's time we did that now, and along with the lectures, distribute the CDs. Indianise it a lot!
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Ravindra Jaju wrote:
->On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:49:00PM +0530, Vaibhav Arya wrote: ->> Lets make a distribution of Linux that does exactly what an engg college ->> requires, and then give it to them free. -><snip> ->> ->> PS: My company is working on a server distribution and will be glad to help. -> ->cool! -> ->i remember that there was an initiative once to make a distro! -> ->it's time we did that now, and along with the lectures, distribute ->the CDs. Indianise it a lot!
Let us do this, I have the notes that I collected from the list long ago. In fact Sameer also showed interest at that time. Should we begin that soon!
Nagarjuna
--- "Nagarjuna G." nagarjun@hbcse.tifr.res.in wrote:
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Ravindra Jaju wrote:
->On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:49:00PM +0530, Vaibhav Arya wrote: from the list long ago. In fact Sameer also showed interest at that time. Should we begin that soon!
[snip] nagarjun.... Creatin a distro specific for these educational institutions is a gr8 thingy to do.....but to get them to understand he inherrent value propositon our 1st objective to chalk out the agenda to take GPL to these students....... We should go ahead with the CD distro.....but also if u could help us draw up such an agenda, i would be sure that i am traversin a beaten path every tiem i do a seminar and above all i don't want to be steppin on feet of others....thats the primary reason i hav made a pledge on the ML to get this job done ASAP....:D We respect ur opinion dr.nagarjun.....so do lead us on and we'll do our best.
Trevor Warren
Nagarjuna
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Trevor Warren wrote:
-> Creatin a distro specific for these educational ->institutions is a gr8 thingy to do.....but to get them ->to understand he inherrent value propositon our 1st ->objective to chalk out the agenda to take GPL to these ->students.......
Well the situation is not that bad. You may be aware that Bombay University has already introduced Linux in the curriculum. Which means, slowly, Linux will be taught not only in Mumbai but in other places as well because other Universities may follow. Presently in Mumbai there is a great demand for Linux resources, particularly in technical institutions. My impression is that if we could meet the demand we have met our objective. We should not in the pathetic position of not being able to meet the existing demand.
Let us all make a list of colleges in Mumbai. This can be done by listing first the college each of us are from. And then get a report on what is happening in each place. I know that every college needs a GNU/Linux Lab. Get the addresses, and contact persons's name. Then we will write a letter to them, including the Principal, and then tell them we can offer training/ (limited) support etc. If necessary we can make a separate list for colleges where colleges in Mumbai can discuss the problems of implementing GNU/Linux.
Making a distro keeping in mind the syllabus and general interests will add to the initiative. When we have a distro, our support and documentation becomes easy. We dont have to talk generally but specifically, and say `do this exactly'. This distro will be useful in other parts of the country as well.
Should we meet this sunday (11th) on this issue?
Nagarjuna
--- "Nagarjuna G." nagarjun@hbcse.tifr.res.in wrote:
Should we meet this sunday (11th) on this issue?
YES. 4:30 HBCSE.
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--- "Nagarjuna G." nagarjun@hbcse.tifr.res.in wrote:
Should we meet this sunday (11th) on this issue?
YES. 4:30 HBCSE.
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Is the meeting confirm ?
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Vaibhav Arya wrote:
Good thoughts, just one point
- Student Desktop: This is different for different engg streams, but I am
guessing for an EE-Mech E student, some sort of Data Capture and Analysis software, some sort of Graphing Mathematical Package (like MAthcad/Mathematica?), A Word Processor (Open Office please)
Since students are actually supposed to give project documentation in TeX, I'd suggest something like LyX or one of the other TeX/LaTeX editors.
Philip
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Vaibhav Arya wrote:
- Admin Desktop: Student Desktop minus EE/MechE packages, plus email
clients, plus Line of Business apps (accounting, etc) And most important, Wine / DosEMU -- To be able to run existing Windows apps that they are used to.
Wine/dosemu cannot run all windows apps. I'd suggest letting admin stick with windows until these tools are mature enough. Let the college ease into linux, and then let them ask for the change. Maybe put just one or two admin machines with linux.
Also, better than having separate machines for admin/students, I'd suggest something similar to what the govt in Florida has done. They have a single very powerful server (11GB RAM), and a separate application server (also a lot of RAM). The server runs X clients, and xdm I think. Then, they have several very thin clients - basically keyboard, display and network card. These boot of a bootprom in the netcard, connect to the server, and let the user log in directly to xdm.
Advantages:
Cheaper hardware Less machines to administer (only the two servers) You can log in from anywhere, and your desktop, icons, settings, files are exactly where you left them
Disadvantages:
These machines will have to be bought, because the wouldn't be present in the average college today.
Someone has to actually try out such a set up before we can propose it to colleges. The admin who did it for Florida has a howto put up. Search for it on slashdot or kde
Philip
That's delving into the mechanics. I do not propose to know exactly what to replace, maybe Admins are better off with Windows, so be it.
Maybe we need different text editors, (Hey that's why we have a LUG here, to decide and implement the distros) (doesn't open office do TeX? I'm surprised. Just make sure that there is a MS Word capable word processor there)
What I am more interested in, 1. is do people thin this is a viable strategy (counterpoints?) 2. does this make sense in a typical college setting (what is a typical college setting?) 3. do we have the necessary resources (people?) 4. what are the entry barriers (I for one think Philip's 11 GB idea, though great, is unworkable, explanation below)
About the centralized server implementation a la Florida. I think though a central server might be a technically brilliant solution and one with a very low overall maintainenence cost, overall the better technology solution, it is not what we should aim at.
The simple reason is high entry barriers. Will a college (which I believe is already struggling with low budgets) put out good money for what will be a very expensive server? And that at the insistence of a couple of 'kids that walked in off the road' (which I what I suspect we are going to look like)?
And even if they do, the purchase of the server will set a very high expectation, and then even simple places where Linux is not _exactly_ like their previous os (windows) will make the users crib. (I've seen people crib about the KDE clock ;)
The idea is to do more of a "here, this free CD can save you at least Rs 4000 per computer." kind of approach where they do not loose anything by trying it and if they do, they win win win.
SUMARRY Yes I'm using 'free as in speech' software to deliver 'free as in beer' benefits and along the way subvert the 'opinion leaders' there to support freedom for speech and not only beer.
(This might be a garbled rant, but I think I got the point across, did I?)
-Vaibhav
-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-admin@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Philip S Tellis Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:29 PM To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] Wat abt our Linux in Schools/Colleges initiative
On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Vaibhav Arya wrote:
- Admin Desktop: Student Desktop minus EE/MechE packages, plus email
clients, plus Line of Business apps (accounting, etc) And most
important,
Wine / DosEMU -- To be able to run existing Windows apps that
they are used
to.
Wine/dosemu cannot run all windows apps. I'd suggest letting admin stick with windows until these tools are mature enough. Let the college ease into linux, and then let them ask for the change. Maybe put just one or two admin machines with linux.
Also, better than having separate machines for admin/students, I'd suggest something similar to what the govt in Florida has done. They have a single very powerful server (11GB RAM), and a separate application server (also a lot of RAM). The server runs X clients, and xdm I think. Then, they have several very thin clients - basically keyboard, display and network card. These boot of a bootprom in the netcard, connect to the server, and let the user log in directly to xdm.
Advantages:
Cheaper hardware Less machines to administer (only the two servers) You can log in from anywhere, and your desktop, icons, settings, files are exactly where you left them
Disadvantages:
These machines will have to be bought, because the wouldn't be present in the average college today.
Someone has to actually try out such a set up before we can propose it to colleges. The admin who did it for Florida has a howto put up. Search for it on slashdot or kde
Philip
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Vaibhav Arya wrote on Tuesday, November 06, 2001
Listen, I've been following what you are saying about engg.
colleges, and
the idea of getting engg students hooked onto Linux is great,
but I am not
sure sermonizing (you may call it evangelism if you like) is
the best way.
Why not defeat the commercial software behemoths (Novel, MS,
the list is
endless) at their own game. Why not seed colleges? Once the
software is on
One of my friends is pursuing MCA at SIES college. The college ppl are still in a process of setting up a brand new Lab for the newly started MCA cource. And my friend was telling me that most of the students wants to have a *nix based systems/servers as opposed to Windows based systems/servers being arranged by the college ppl. So we do have a good chance to make most of this opportunity. We can talk to the authorities there. List members from South Indian communities may have some better hold over this issue.
Best Regards, Kinjal Sonpal
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