Hi All,
I am Vinay from IT for Change, an NGO in Bangalore.
The Gujarat government has announced a 500 crore ICT education program for its schools. (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rs-500-cr-for-computers-in-schools/405217/ ) .They have also said that they are inclined to opt for FOSS in the schools. They have not however fully decided. What has possibly queered the pitch is that Microsoft has said that they will offer windows for free.
Getting FOSS in schools will greatly benefit the Gujarat government and all the students. Hence some of us are initiating a campaign to influence the government to decide in favour of FOSS.
We need the support of the FOSS community here, especially the FOSS community from Gujarat. I am writing to ILUG-Bombay though since I heard that a lot of members here are supportive of the Gujarat FOSS scenario.
If a lot of people from Gujarat join us in the campaign it will help to get the government to go the FOSS way. Showing the Gujarat government that there is a vibrant FOSS community might assure them that there might be support for them if they go the FOSS way. What will also tip the scale is if can show the government that a localised (Gujarati) distro of FOSS, localised FOSS apps exists, which can be used in schools. We need the help of the community here too - to help us figure out what apps/distros should be suggested.
Requesting your support in this campaign.
Please do write back to let us know if you can support us/ if you have any queries. Please do write back for any suggestions as well.
Thanks, Vinay.
Hello: Anybody try this distro? I appreciate your comments on it especially from a non-engineering newbie's point of view. thanks.
regards hg
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On Monday 19 January 2009 10:14, vinay sreenivasa wrote:
Hi All,
I am Vinay from IT for Change, an NGO in Bangalore.
The Gujarat government has announced a 500 crore ICT education program for its schools. (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rs-500-cr-for-computers-in-schoo ls/405217/ ) .They have also said that they are inclined to opt for FOSS in the schools. They have not however fully decided. What has possibly queered the pitch is that Microsoft has said that they will offer windows for free.
This is the big mistake that people not familiar with IT (and FOSS ) make. It's not the price, it's the Freedom. One should stress that IT is crucially dependent on the software to achieve it's magic. The art is embedded in the source. Non availability of the source means that there can be no understanding and very little education. The above relates to IT education. However.....
If one is to leverage IT for other educational goals (primary / secondary schools, commerce / arts etc), one would require 1) tools and customisation of these tools 2) CONTENT
Using closed software precludes both, besides adding huge costs, both to the state and to the individual. While getting closed software "free" might reduce exchequers capex, it will result in massive recurring costs and outflow of money from individuals. In particular any and all education is dependent on Content. Encoding the content in anything but free and unencumbered technology is a recipe for sure disaster (try reading some of the old signature files stored in banks. "old" here means 12 yrs old not 120 years). Now check what was taught 12 years ago and you find it is not very different from what is taught today.
Besides the above simple scenario, there is the added FOSS technical advantages of security, performance and upgrades.
Getting FOSS in schools will greatly benefit the Gujarat government and all the students. Hence some of us are initiating a campaign to influence the government to decide in favour of FOSS.
We need the support of the FOSS community here, especially the FOSS community from Gujarat. I am writing to ILUG-Bombay though since I heard that a lot of members here are supportive of the Gujarat FOSS scenario.
ANY lug group will be very supportive.
If a lot of people from Gujarat join us in the campaign it will help to get the government to go the FOSS way. Showing the Gujarat government that there is a vibrant FOSS community might assure them that there might be support for them if they go the FOSS way. What will also tip the scale is if can show the government that a localised (Gujarati) distro of FOSS, localised FOSS apps exists, which can be used in schools. We need the help of the community here too - to help us figure out what apps/distros should be suggested.
Knoppix edu is a ready distro. Check it out. Some customisation for support in gujarati may be required.
Requesting your support in this campaign.
Please do write back to let us know if you can support us/ if you have any queries. Please do write back for any suggestions as well.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
ANY lug group will be very supportive.
We have newly formed LUG: Linux-Gujarat: http://groups.google.com/group/linux-gujarat </shmeless plug>
Knoppix edu is a ready distro. Check it out. Some customisation for support in gujarati may be required.
I am working on this as part of KDE Gujarati Localization, Thanks to Sarai for sponsoring work!
On Tuesday 20 January 2009 10:53, Kartik Mistry wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
ANY lug group will be very supportive.
We have newly formed LUG: Linux-Gujarat: http://groups.google.com/group/linux-gujarat </shmeless plug>
Knoppix edu is a ready distro. Check it out. Some customisation for support in gujarati may be required.
I am working on this as part of KDE Gujarati Localization, Thanks to Sarai for sponsoring work!
Excellent. That would help the demo. One could also simply load edu ubuntu on a pendrive - removes some of the cd hassles.
Who is preparing the document drawing up advantages of FOSS in ICT.
One aspect that would invariably crop up is training. If the government is training it's teachers in ICT, it better start by training them using FOSS tools.
On Tuesday 20 Jan 2009 11:14:27 am jtd wrote:
One aspect that would invariably crop up is training. If the government is training it's teachers in ICT, it better start by training them using FOSS tools.
this is the biggest stumbling block. In TN, linux 45,000 linux machines were set up. But no infrastructure for training. Result: pro M$ backlash.
vinay sreenivasa wrote:
The Gujarat government has announced a 500 crore ICT education program for its schools. (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rs-500-cr-for-computers-in-schools/405217/ ) .They have also said that they are inclined to opt for FOSS in the schools. They have not however fully decided. What has possibly queered the pitch is that Microsoft has said that they will offer windows for free.
Getting FOSS in schools will greatly benefit the Gujarat government and all the students. Hence some of us are initiating a campaign to influence the government to decide in favour of FOSS.
Along with the benefits of FOSS, you can also mention the dangers for a Govt. or a political organisation to have its entire electronic data controlled by closed software whose creators and controllers are foreigners.
We need the support of the FOSS community here, especially the FOSS community from Gujarat. I am writing to ILUG-Bombay though since I heard that a lot of members here are supportive of the Gujarat FOSS scenario.
It would be better if a professional FOSS service organisation takes up this challenge rather than just depend on community support.
If a lot of people from Gujarat join us in the campaign it will help to get the government to go the FOSS way. Showing the Gujarat government that there is a vibrant FOSS community might assure them that there might be support for them if they go the FOSS way. What will also tip the scale is if can show the government that a localised (Gujarati) distro of FOSS, localised FOSS apps exists, which can be used in schools. We need the help of the community here too - to help us figure out what apps/distros should be suggested.
If the Gujarati developers could create a GujUbuntu or HindUbuntu demo CD fully packed with regional and religious themes and culture learning software, then it will spread the message accross very fast. Simply distributing the live CDs free to the public will also generate a lot of interest. The CD covers should have photos of various deities.
Religion has a firm grip on people than technology and if FOSS can exploit this phenomenon in India, no Microsoft will be able to stop it. Various spiritual leaders who run Ashrams to the tune of crores of rupees can be included in these projects, with their own cult versions of Ubuntu CDs. Let one group of followers bring out one CD version and watch the rival groups bring out their own CDs. Ultimately the winner will be the GNU/Linux kernel and its deb packages.
On Wednesday 21 Jan 2009 5:36:33 pm Rony wrote:
controlled by closed software whose creators and controllers are foreigners.
FOSS of course is totally created and controlled by Indians
On Wednesday 21 January 2009 17:44, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Wednesday 21 Jan 2009 5:36:33 pm Rony wrote:
controlled by closed software whose creators and controllers are foreigners.
FOSS of course is totally created
No
and controlled by Indians
No. But...
You can review the code, at least you wont have somebody's keys sitting in the code. And they jolly well be fine toothing ALL code in places where it really matters, or one would wind up like the UK Navy's submarine division all trojaned and dolled up with M$ windows. And those idiots are really cute. They confirm that the breach possed no real security threat. After all viruses dont move subs and nukes u know. Wonder how many they miss for everyone they detect.