hi guys,
any web promotion tricks using free software gnu/linux ?
warm regards F.J.Sylvester
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Fitzerald sylvester chrisjsylvester@gmail.com wrote:
hi guys,
any web promotion tricks using free software gnu/linux ?
If you are talking about SEO, many of us may find the idea odious, as the free software gnu/linux movement depends on ethics.
2008/3/4, Nishit Dave stargazer.dave@gmail.com:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Fitzerald sylvester chrisjsylvester@gmail.com wrote:
hi guys,
any web promotion tricks using free software gnu/linux ?
If you are talking about SEO, many of us may find the idea odious, as the free software gnu/linux movement depends on ethics.
And the age old wisdom - ``content is the king''.
Anurag
Nishit Dave wrote:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Fitzerald sylvester chrisjsylvester@gmail.com wrote:
hi guys,
any web promotion tricks using free software gnu/linux ?
If you are talking about SEO, many of us may find the idea odious, as the free software gnu/linux movement depends on ethics.
Why do you consider SEO as a violation of ethics ? Anyone who has a website is putting it up not because he likes html coding, but because he (or she) wants others to see it.....the more the better. SEO is a process where the website is optimised and brought to the attention of search engines, without which the chance of anyone finding out about the website is slim.
Please tell why you feel Linux users should not use SEO techniques.
Regards Saswata
On 08-Mar-08, at 10:05 AM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
If you are talking about SEO, many of us may find the idea odious, as the free software gnu/linux movement depends on ethics.
Why do you consider SEO as a violation of ethics ? Anyone who has a website is putting it up not because he likes html coding, but because he (or she) wants others to see it.....the more the better. SEO is a process where the website is optimised and brought to the attention of search engines, without which the chance of anyone finding out about the website is slim.
Please tell why you feel Linux users should not use SEO techniques.
welcome back to the list - we were talking about you the other day and wondering where you were! Please dont reply directly to digests - put a meaningful subject line.
I dont know if SEO is unethical, but since it belongs to the same category as snake-oil sales, crystal gazing, fortune telling and currency doubling, I wouldnt think sensible people would want to discuss it.
my 2 paise.
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
I dont know if SEO is unethical, but since it belongs to the same category as snake-oil sales, crystal gazing, fortune telling and currency doubling, I wouldnt think sensible people would want to discuss it.
I just said it was odious, and juxtaposed it with the ethical nature of the FOSS movement. People derive meanings that suit their own ideas, and this is a free world.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 08-Mar-08, at 10:05 AM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
If you are talking about SEO, many of us may find the idea odious, as the free software gnu/linux movement depends on ethics.
Why do you consider SEO as a violation of ethics ? Anyone who has a website is putting it up not because he likes html coding, but because he (or she) wants others to see it.....the more the better. SEO is a process where the website is optimised and brought to the attention of search engines, without which the chance of anyone finding out about the website is slim.
Please tell why you feel Linux users should not use SEO techniques.
welcome back to the list - we were talking about you the other day and wondering where you were!
Quiet busy handling the information overload. Also on most of the topics, I do not have any value to add or the topic is too old by the time I see it. So, mostly I am lurking and reading what the gurus say.
Please dont reply directly to digests - put a meaningful subject line.
Actually, that was the subject on the previous mail I replied to. Will be more careful now.
I dont know if SEO is unethical, but since it belongs to the same category as snake-oil sales, crystal gazing, fortune telling and currency doubling, I wouldnt think sensible people would want to discuss it.
Most of SEO is not some mystic / unstable science. There are some very relevant things, some even basic stuff that people dont follow - eg. putting proper meta tags on web pages. I am not an SEO expert, so cant give an insight into it as such.
But if there is a software that will analyse a page and tell what problems are on it that will prevent the search engine from putting it in relevant search or from putting it on the top, then such a software will be useful to all who develop (or commission someone to develop) a website. If there is an open source software that does it, than it is better for that. Why would sensible people not discuss it.
Or have i misread the original query its self.
my 2 paise.
On 08-Mar-08, at 12:39 PM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
But if there is a software that will analyse a page and tell what problems are on it that will prevent the search engine from putting it in relevant search or from putting it on the top, then such a software will be useful to all who develop (or commission someone to develop) a website. If there is an open source software that does it, than it is better for that.
1. make sure that your web page is standards compliant - lot of software for that 2. make sure it is well designed - lot of examples for that 3. make sure there are no broken links - lot of software for that 4. make sure that there are no circular links - links to sites leading back to your site 5. make sure that there is good content - no software for this, only common sense 6. make sure it is useful 7. make sure it has an USP
then you dont have to worry about SEO
Why would sensible people not discuss it.
because sensible people do the above and so do not need to discuss SEO
On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 13:09 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
- make sure that your web page is standards compliant - lot of
software for that 2. make sure it is well designed - lot of examples for that 3. make sure there are no broken links - lot of software for that 4. make sure that there are no circular links - links to sites leading back to your site 5. make sure that there is good content - no software for this, only common sense 6. make sure it is useful 7. make sure it has an USP
then you dont have to worry about SEO
After reading the above, I would like to know what _your_ understanding of SEO is. The above is what SEO-ers do!
Why would sensible people not discuss it.
because sensible people do the above and so do not need to discuss SEO
Just like many confuse between hackers and the (unethical) crackers as hackers, you are brushing all SEO-ers with the same unethical hue! It isn't so. SEO exists as a well-defined discipline because the stuff you point above as common sense stuff isn't common sense for many.
Link-buying, spam-links - that's not what SEO is all about! :)
On 08-Mar-08, at 3:08 PM, Ravindra Jaju wrote:
- make sure that your web page is standards compliant - lot of
software for that 2. make sure it is well designed - lot of examples for that 3. make sure there are no broken links - lot of software for that 4. make sure that there are no circular links - links to sites leading back to your site 5. make sure that there is good content - no software for this, only common sense 6. make sure it is useful 7. make sure it has an USP
then you dont have to worry about SEO
After reading the above, I would like to know what _your_ understanding of SEO is. The above is what SEO-ers do!
what is the aim of a website - to increase your business or to be the first hit on google?
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
After reading the above, I would like to know what _your_ understanding of SEO is. The above is what SEO-ers do!
what is the aim of a website - to increase your business or to be the first hit on google?
Both are related. Increase in business is an absolute goal for most. Being near the top in google results _gets_ you more business, anecdotally speaking. It's one of the aspects for most online businesses. Google adwords wouldn't have taken off in such a big way had this not been the case (that's SEM, btw).
Best wishes, jaju
On 10-Mar-08, at 8:33 AM, Ravindra Jaju wrote:
what is the aim of a website - to increase your business or to be the first hit on google?
Both are related. Increase in business is an absolute goal for most. Being near the top in google results _gets_ you more business, anecdotally speaking. It's one of the aspects for most online businesses
so which comes first? the chicken or the egg? the aim of a search engine is to rank the sites according to some criteria - I assume usefulness and popularity would be the main criteria. So if your site is useful and popular, it will rank high - and you will get more business (but only if you remain useful and popular).
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Ravindra Jaju ravindra.jaju@gmail.com wrote:
Both are related. Increase in business is an absolute goal for most. Being near the top in google results _gets_ you more business, anecdotally speaking. It's one of the aspects for most online businesses. Google adwords wouldn't have taken off in such a big way had this not been the case (that's SEM, btw).
I don't know if it's true any longer, but a long time back when N.Delhi had water scarcity, some people started fitting micropumps on their municipal pipelines under the pretext that they weren't getting enough pressure. Within a short time, everyone in their localities had attached micropumps, so that they didn't lose out.
End result, lots of wastage of electricity (leading to what - more theft?) and the same quantity of water as before.
OK, this is only anecdotal, but may apply to everyone indulging in SEO.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Nishit Dave stargazer.dave@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Ravindra Jaju ravindra.jaju@gmail.com wrote:
Both are related. Increase in business is an absolute goal for most. Being near the top in google results _gets_ you more business,
anecdotally
speaking. It's one of the aspects for most online businesses. Google
adwords
wouldn't have taken off in such a big way had this not been the case (that's SEM, btw).
I don't know if it's true any longer, but a long time back when N.Delhi had water scarcity, some people started fitting micropumps on their municipal pipelines under the pretext that they weren't getting enough pressure. Within a short time, everyone in their localities had attached micropumps, so that they didn't lose out.
End result, lots of wastage of electricity (leading to what - more theft?) and the same quantity of water as before.
OK, this is only anecdotal, but may apply to everyone indulging in SEO.
Hmmm.. but then.. say, if you don't indulge in SEO, you are the one whose taps will go dry! ;) Necessary evil! we may call it...
If your site is useful but not popular, how do you think it will become popular without the "mini-pump".. esp when everyone else runs a "mini-pump"..
But i was wondering how is it an ethical issue! :) Its just a collective behavioural and stereotypical problem. Either everyone remove their "pumps".. or try winning the rat-race together..!
I think in the current circumstances, any new online business that comes up needs SEO to provide the "escape velocity".. If its worth its salt.. its going to get into orbit and never need it again.. If not.. TATA ---- deep down into the Pacific Ocean...
Regards.
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 08-Mar-08, at 12:39 PM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
But if there is a software that will analyse a page and tell what problems are on it that will prevent the search engine from putting it in relevant search or from putting it on the top, then such a software will be useful to all who develop (or commission someone to develop) a website. If there is an open source software that does it, than it is better for that.
- make sure that your web page is standards compliant - lot of
software for that
Does standard compliant pages come up higher on google search ?o u I am yet to see that. In fact, I suspect non-compliant pages are on the top, going by the Hall of Shame listing.
- make sure it is well designed - lot of examples for that
- make sure there are no broken links - lot of software for that
- make sure that there are no circular links - links to sites
leading back to your site
Well, pages with circular links do come up on the top of google listing, but that part at least is probably unethical.
- make sure that there is good content - no software for this, only
common sense 6. make sure it is useful 7. make sure it has an USP
then you dont have to worry about SEO
You forgot another important thing. Google spider will rank higher pages whose content changes more often.
Why would sensible people not discuss it.
because sensible people do the above and so do not need to discuss SEO
That is a flame bait, but I will leave it at that. No, even the most sensible people do not do that. I can show you so many sites by large companies and so called smart people that do not do what you said. That is why SEO is a profitable business.
On 08-Mar-08, at 7:55 PM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
That is a flame bait, but I will leave it at that. No, even the most sensible people do not do that. I can show you so many sites by large companies and so called smart people that do not do what you said. That is why SEO is a profitable business.
there is a bridge in Chennai which has been family property for a long time - would you be interested in purchasing it for a reasonable price?
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
Why do you consider SEO as a violation of ethics ? Anyone who has a website is putting it up not because he likes html coding, but because he (or she) wants others to see it.....the more the better. SEO is a process where the website is optimised and brought to the attention of search engines, without which the chance of anyone finding out about the website is slim.
Please tell why you feel Linux users should not use SEO techniques.
There is a difference between SEO for ensuring the search engines know what your webpage is about, and SEO for increasing your pagerank to increase your ad revenue. Usual meaning of the term and requests pertain to the later category.
Google usually downgrades pageranks for sites using unethical means of SEO as you are no doubt aware. Not everyone on this list is a business entrepreneur, and this is a free world.
Nishit Dave wrote:
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Saswata Banerjee & Associates scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
Why do you consider SEO as a violation of ethics ? Anyone who has a website is putting it up not because he likes html coding, but because he (or she) wants others to see it.....the more the better. SEO is a process where the website is optimised and brought to the attention of search engines, without which the chance of anyone finding out about the website is slim.
Please tell why you feel Linux users should not use SEO techniques.
There is a difference between SEO for ensuring the search engines know what your webpage is about, and SEO for increasing your pagerank to increase your ad revenue.
Increasing page ranking is not for increasing advt revenue. It is so that people will come to your site and see what you want them to see. If you (say) the solution for migrating entire enterprises from Microsoft platform to Open Source, then you want that page and solution ranked to the top of the page rather than come on the 4th page since the user is not likely to go beyond 2nd page anyway. That is what SEO is all about.
Usual meaning of the term and requests pertain to the later category.
I do not think so. Much of the SEO work that you need to do on any page is quiet standard, ethical and allowed. Only few of the people do things like repeated cross-linking to get their page on the top.
Google usually downgrades pageranks for sites using unethical means of SEO as you are no doubt aware.
Again, you do not need to use unethical means to get their page on the top. Google is only going to get you down if you have done something really serious to get you down. If that was the standard case, then Google would need much much larger army petrol and the SEO industry would not exist.
Not everyone on this list is a business entrepreneur, and this is a free world.
You do not have to be a business enterpreneur to use SEO. Even NGOs use it. forget others, sourceforge uses SEO to ensure it stays on the top of the search list. So they too are unethical ? Yes it is a free world, and the OP was asking is there are software in our free software world that could help him in taking his page ranking and therefore internet visibility upwards. I do still do not see what is wrong with that or why he is wrong.
Regards Saswata
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