Hello,
Here are a few suggestions that will hopefully help members of this list enjoy their stay here and avoid the flame wars that keep flaring up and take up precious bandwidth. Just like a doze machine that has its resources eaten up by viruses, spam, spyware and bloatware, we could all contribute towards reducing flame wars and promote better relations among members. Here are some guide lines we could all follow.
1. We are all guests on this list, which means we have to abide by the host's (list's) rules and regulations. It includes abiding by the rules of moderation which is necessary for any public list. Without moderation there is chaos.
2. We have not created this list but have joined it for the purpose of being in touch with other GNU/Linux users of Mumbai. Our rights and privileges on this list are limited and not absolute.
3. If we had created this list then members would have the freedom to leave it whenever they found our messages insulting or personally attacking. However since this list is created by others and we are only guests here, it can be a very difficult and embarrassing situation for one guest to find that he/she is being attacked by another guest.
4. This is a public list with the scope of discussions limited to Open Source / Free Software, Software Freedom and occasionally technology related matters off topic, there is absolutely NO scope for discussions on social or political issues unless they are directly related to incidents of use or restriction of use of Free Software in rare cases.
5. Personal matters and feelings have no place on this list and this list is not to be taken personally in any way. This also means that we cannot allow our personal feelings, however strong and passionate about certain issues, to influence our communication as well as responses to others' messages.
6. There is freedom to disagree with others' points of view but this is in no way a consent to verbally attack the person. It should be noted by all members that harsh criticisms as well as ridicules of a member or his/her messages are equally insulting to that member, just like personal attacks and all members should refrain from doing it, however strongly or passionately they feel about certain issues. This also includes observing restraint by older members.
7. If a member has made a mistake or accidentally broken list rules then he/she should be made aware of the error in a polite way even if it involves putting the member under moderation or removal from this list. No member is justified to use harsh or insulting words towards the erring member.
8. When replying to members of the opposite sex, members must be careful not to use any words, phrases or sentences that comment in any way on the gender of the opposite member. This reduces the scope of any misunderstanding and reduces the chances of any member complaining of gender bias against another member.
9. Although this list has no place for personal feelings, all members must look upon fellow members as virtual or internet friends and just as in real life, they must be accommodating towards other members in case they err or make mistakes. Don't we expect the same treatment from other members towards us.
10. We are not just members of the list but also its salespersons. We have to present our GLUG in the best possible way to others so that more members can join in and make this community larger and happier. Naturally this starts with being proud of our GLUG and doing whatever is possible to spread knowledge and happiness to others and promote peaceful and cordial relations amongst all members. Peace and happiness to everyone. Ubuntu!
Rony,
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Here are a few suggestions that will hopefully help members of this list enjoy their stay here and avoid the flame wars that keep flaring up and take up precious bandwidth. Just like a doze machine that has its resources eaten up by viruses, spam, spyware and bloatware, we could all contribute towards reducing flame wars and promote better relations among members. Here are some guide lines we could all follow.
- We are all guests on this list, which means we have to abide by the
host's (list's) rules and regulations. It includes abiding by the rules of moderation which is necessary for any public list. Without moderation there is chaos.
[snip]
- We are not just members of the list but also its salespersons. We
have to present our GLUG in the best possible way to others so that more members can join in and make this community larger and happier. Naturally this starts with being proud of our GLUG and doing whatever is possible to spread knowledge and happiness to others and promote peaceful and cordial relations amongst all members. Peace and happiness to everyone. Ubuntu!
Thank you for putting up "10 commandments" for the list! :-)
We will call this Rony's 10 Commandments for LUGs.
Hope you will find large number of followers.
-- Regards,
Rony.
With regards,
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Rony gnulinuxist@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Here are a few suggestions that will hopefully help members of this list enjoy their stay here and avoid the flame wars that keep flaring up and take up precious bandwidth.
I'd like to add two more points as well -
1. Please let's not discourage a newbie asking 'silly' questions. The best approach would be to show him the right direction politely. I'm guilty of doing this in the past on other lists.
2. Let's also not discriminate posters by their language. I've noticed this many times - If a poster is not proficient in English, he is flamed. Not all of us come from an English-medium school and IMHO, one does not need to be gramatically correct to be an effective sysadmin/coder. Using SMS-style lingo is a different matter though.
Regards, NMK.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Nadeem M. Khan nadeem.m.khan@gmail.com wrote:
- Please let's not discourage a newbie asking 'silly' questions. The
best approach would be to show him the right direction politely. I'm guilty of doing this in the past on other lists.
The problem is that everyone has a different idea of 'silly' questions. Being a majorly tech friendly list (there are few active 'userland' members, i.e. people who are sensitive to the non-tech nature of doing things), I have seen many basic questions on programming/sysadmin/techie-newbie related issues being answered with gusto out here. In my experience these questions are easily answered by googling for them since pretty much everything is documented in some way or the other (official docs, mailing lists, forums). But when someone asks a basic desktop/internet/non-techie-newbie related question they're likely to be flamed. This has reduced somewhat with many giving useful replies to them as well, but every so often there will be someone who decides to take out his/her frustration on the poor newb.
<kidding> I'd say flame the techie-newbs as well ;) </kidding>
- Let's also not discriminate posters by their language. I've noticed
this many times - If a poster is not proficient in English, he is flamed. Not all of us come from an English-medium school and IMHO, one does not need to be gramatically correct to be an effective sysadmin/coder. Using SMS-style lingo is a different matter though.
+1. This is pretty much what happened on the Linux Kernel book thread IMO.
Rony and Nadeem,
Thank you for your valuable inputs about list guidelines.
I would appreciate if both of you can go through the existing list guidelines and update it and put it out for discussion.
We can adopt new guidelines when go for list cleaning exercise.
With regards,
Dinesh Shah (????? ???/????? ???) wrote:
Rony and Nadeem,
Thank you for your valuable inputs about list guidelines.
I would appreciate if both of you can go through the existing list guidelines and update it and put it out for discussion.
We can adopt new guidelines when go for list cleaning exercise.
Hi Dinesh,
I guess now they are the 12 Commandments For Happy GLUGS. :-) It could apply to any GLUG.
The original list rules http://glug-bom.org/pages/show/6 are the absolutely necessary are are the bare minimum to be followed by everyone. The new additions are based of various experiences and observations to avoid flames and promote good relations.
IMHO, what could be done is that every month the 12 'Commandments' could be mailed to the members automatically like the mailman reminders. The original rules link to be added in bold to the part that tells members to abide by the list rules.