On Friday 01 June 2007 14:28, Praveen A wrote:
2007/6/1, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org:
this is pure BS. No one migrates to foss/linux because of freedom. They migrate because it works. The guys who are mouthing off about freedom have been struggling for 20 years to build a kernel
While the observation from the "effect" side is true AND a view from the technical side is also true the fact is that technical "superiority" lasts for a tiny fraction of the lifetime of a software package and is at best a very limited view of reality. The fact is that technical superiority is the result of freedom to collaborate, which is completely lacking in closed software. This inspite of closed software having vastly larger numbers and resources for both users and developers. Infact the entire edifice of closed software based on actively restricting collaboration and is so shaky it's a wonder it has managed to survive so long. The irony is that most of the apps bringing in revenue are the one trying to enable chargeable collaboration in every sphere. Further the technical superiority argument is a red herring and the "failure" of hurd and thousands of other open software are because of innumerable factors that has nothing to do with freedom. The visibility of failure is also due to the openeness of development. Has any body counted the number of failed efforts of closed companies?. In the oganisations i have seen in the past the ratio was 1 success for 5 failures. And by FOSS standards these successes would at best been labeled alpha software. Like all things free, it's value is realised when someone else has to pick the tab for the cleanup - be it air, water or freedom. Let's not mixup cause and effect. While one is fully justified in using some arbitary dfinition of success / tech superiority etc in ones metrics One cannot subvert freedom as a result of these measurements so that the stats look good.
jtd wrote:
Like all things free, it's value is realised when someone else has to pick the tab for the cleanup - be it air, water or freedom. Let's not mixup cause and effect. While one is fully justified in using some arbitary dfinition of success / tech superiority etc in ones metrics One cannot subvert freedom as a result of these measurements so that the stats look good.
This is a very nice thought.
Guys, if you haven't, please do watch the animation movie 'Happy Feet'.
Guys, the original thread was on building an *buntu distro that has all its desktop distros integrated together just like Mandriva, Fedora and Debian.
GNU/Linux is an OS and according to me is any distro that uses part GNU's tools and part Linus's kernel. Since GNU as an OS could not get completed without a kernel, it was Linus's kernel that finally got it going, hence GNU/Linux. Therefore practically all linux distros are GNU/Linux irrespective of added on closed drivers.
People may not care about freedom and use propriety software or FOSS if its cheaper and more flexible. However lack of awareness of freedom is no reason to make it less important. Just as lack of etiquette and civic sense does not reduce their importance. Sometimes we value things more when they become rare. In the transition stage we have no choice but to use GNU/Linux with closed firmware/software but the ultimate goal is to be totally free.
Just my 2 cents.