Interesting article. This reminds me of 1995 when the Internet opened up in India. One of my friends, a nuclear scientist at TIFR (remember that the atom kickers were the pioneers of the net) sniffed his nose at the great onrush of people into this exclusive territory and called it the "lumpenization of the Internet." To his credit, he subsequently changed his mind.
:-)
Venky
Linux Snobs: Real Barriers to Entry
http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/snobsoped.shtml
"Today, Linux growth includes a vast number of new comers, sometimes well versed in technology but at other times not so well versed. These new users are coming to us and asking us to help them cross the great divide. I hope that more people will extend a hand to someone who sincerely appreciates Linux and wishes to be part of the Linux community, and help offset those who see new comers as bad."
"After all, we do share a common goal, and the growing and continued success of Linux invariably depends on each of us individuals. My hope is that many new comers to Linux will see what a great community and what a great promise Linux holds not only for themselves but also their organizations."
Apparently there's one foolproof way to get your questions answered ;-)
Siddhesh
Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
Interesting article. This reminds me of 1995 when the Internet opened up in India. One of my friends, a nuclear scientist at TIFR (remember that the atom kickers were the pioneers of the net) sniffed his nose at the great onrush of people into this exclusive territory and called it the "lumpenization of the Internet." To his credit, he subsequently changed his mind.
:-)
Venky
Linux Snobs: Real Barriers to Entry
This group is one of the biggest examples of Linux Snobs and they are a testimony to the barrier. They have been more active in turning people off linux than Microsoft has been. Check the archives and you will see what I mean.
Regards Saswata
http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/snobsoped.shtml
"Today, Linux growth includes a vast number of new comers, sometimes well versed in technology but at other times not so well versed. These new users are coming to us and asking us to help them cross the great divide. I hope that more people will extend a hand to someone who sincerely appreciates Linux and wishes to be part of the Linux community, and help offset those who see new comers as bad."
"After all, we do share a common goal, and the growing and continued success of Linux invariably depends on each of us individuals. My hope is that many new comers to Linux will see what a great community and what a great promise Linux holds not only for themselves but also their organizations."
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 17:46, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
This group is one of the biggest examples of Linux Snobs and they are a testimony to the barrier. They have been more active in turning people off linux than Microsoft has been. Check the archives and you will see what I mean.
flame bait?
*takes out his flame thrower*
I've been waiting to give this baby a try for a looong time now... :)
nah...j/k i hope you too were kidding ;)
On 19/04/06 23:16 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: <snip>
This group is one of the biggest examples of Linux Snobs and they are a testimony to the barrier. They have been more active in turning people off linux than Microsoft has been. Check the archives and you will see what I mean.
http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires
Devdas Bhagat
On 4/20/06, Devdas Bhagat devdas@dvb.homelinux.org wrote:
Lol ... this is some good shit. But seriously, I'd like to quote what Marcus Aurelius says to his son Commodus in Gladiator: "Your failure as a son is my failure as a father"
When we as Linux experts *initiate* new people into the brood, we tend to focus on the fancy stuff to WOW them, rather than focusing on the basics of how and where to look for help. No one tells them that man and Info often don't work; and no one tells them what to do when that happens ... about /usr/share/doc, about trying the latest version, about looking at documentation in the source package. Googling should be the second last resource and asking others for help the absolute last one. Linux help sources are as diverse as the software packages and take some getting used too ... but they are the quintessential survival skill if there ever was one.
I have been guilty of this and have seen other people do it. We're so eager to make them jump into the water that we almost skip the part where we're supposed to teach them how to swim. Eventually we end up over-worked *snobbish* life-guards.
I am not saying there won't be dumb users asking stupid questions ... just that this is one area where we can improve our own lot before we(rightly) point the finger. _ farazs
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 09:28 pm, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
Interesting article.
Stoooopid article with perfect examples of newbies jumping into the deep end of the pool and shouting help. Any body who wants to know how to start webserver daemons has either not read a man page or is trolling. In an earlier age when net availability was a problem one might even tolerate this. Today I (and many many others i know) have yet to come acros a problem which was not resolved by googling.
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