Hello All,
There was some discussion on playing cds on linux distros and the results seem to be 50-50. The experts have been able to play movies on various linux distros whereas the not-so-experts or those experts not into multimedia have not had much luck playing them. My system has the following configuration: P4 2.4 Ghz., Intel Original 845 GEBV2 mobo, 256 MB RAM, 80 GB baracuda hdd, Sony DVD rom, Samsung CD R/W.
Now since one year, I have tried out many linux distros in order to find the ideal one that can do everything or atlest do the normal stuff thats done in the 'other' popular OS ;) While its no problem connecting to the net or email or word processing or firewall, a major block exists in the multimedia area. Detection of sound cards is not a very big issue as most of the distros did detect and install sound. The major roadblock is in running the media playes for mp3s, mpegs, VCDs or DVDs. In my system, the RHEL could play mp3s only after real player was downloaded. Debian could not play anything. Mandrake 10.1 was the only OS that played VCDs and DVDs without any extra download or installation. However it had a problem of residue picture frames scattering over the desktop on close of player. FC4, SuSe 10 as well as Ubuntu failed. SuSe 10 has CD mounting problems. Ubuntu 5.04 did not create a root password so it had to be created by booting into recovery mode. Even then, in the user mode gui, it does not accept the root password for admin utilities and says 'password incorrect'.
As per the new instructions given about downloading codecs from mplayer and installing them in the /usr/lib/win32 dir, all this was done but the players in FC4, SuSe 10 as well as Ubuntu 5.04 that was tried out, don't play anything and simply give some errors. The latest effort was to download mplayer itself for FC4 and here's the result for the same.
warning: mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b error: Failed dependencies: libXvMCW.so.1 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libaa.so.1 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libdvdread.so.3 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libfribidi.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 liblirc_client.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libmad.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libmp3lame.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libxvidcore.so.4 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 mplayer-fonts is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386
The point is that how much time does one have to spend on a linux system to get it running properly?
My clients place an order for a computer and within 4 days it has to be ready. On the fifth day it is installed on site. In these 4 days the engineers are busy attending to other calls as well as other installations so the pattern is this: First day get the material from the dealer. Day two, install the system to test for any defects. Day two or day three, load the sofware. Day four keep the system on soak test. Day five, deliver the system. Now in this tight schedule, how is a production engineer expected to load linux for the latest hardware, with all its dependency problems? My users are mainly home and small office ones and they have a lot of multimedia activity going on.
Please do not treat this message as a rant or cribbing or a complaint against linux. It is simply an SOS from a junior linuxer on behalf of other junior linuxers too. I am not looking at an individual problem for any particular distro. Its a general problem that I want to highlight.
Regards,
Rony.
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On 11/16/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
warning: mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b error: Failed dependencies: libXvMCW.so.1 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libaa.so.1 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libdvdread.so.3 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libfribidi.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 liblirc_client.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libmad.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libmp3lame.so.0 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 libxvidcore.so.4 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386 mplayer-fonts is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386
You should use yum. I think mplayer offers a yum repo. Basically, it will take care of the dependencies.
-- Rohan http://rohan.almeida.in
On 11/16/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The major roadblock is in running the media playes for mp3s, mpegs, VCDs or DVDs.
All you have to do is install gstreamer-plugins package, which installs all codecs necessary to play all types of audio formats, using yum or apt-get. On Suse, you must add several Yast sources for your distribution. I recommend using http://packman.links2linux.org as an installation source.
Install xinelibs package to play all types of video formats (except windoze media, ofcourse).
SuSe 10 has CD mounting problems.
Explain!
Ubuntu 5.04 did not create a root password so it had to be created by booting into recovery mode. Even then, in the user mode gui, it does not accept the root password for admin utilities and says 'password incorrect'.
After an Ubuntu install, use sudo passwd root to change the root password as normal user. You can login to X as root by selecting the right option in Administration>>Login Screen Setup.
warning: mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b error: Failed dependencies:
You didnt download the dependencies! That's why I say use something like apt-get or yum to install all software. They will take care of all dependencies. I never face any dependency problems because of apt-get on Ubuntu.
The point is that how much time does one have to spend on a linux system to get it running properly?
30 minutes! Maybe less...depends on how much you want to install.
Now in this tight schedule, how is a production engineer expected to load linux for the latest hardware, with all its dependency problems?
I bought my hardware individually from Lam road somewhere in January. At that time I didn't have an idea about yum and apt-get. So i was in a similar situation like you. But today I know exactly what I want and how to get it. So its very easy. Its easier and faster to install software on a Linux machine than on the 'other' OS.
My users are mainly home and small office ones and they have a lot of multimedia activity going on.
They can have everything on a Linux machine, exept gaming I guess which is not yet as developed and easy as it should be on a Linux machine.
Well, hope my reply helps you in some way.
Best of luck! ;)
-- Regards, Sanket Medhi, sanketmedhi [at] gmail [dot] com
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Ubuntu 5.04 did not create a root password so it had to be created by booting into recovery mode. Even then, in the user mode gui, it does not accept the root password for admin utilities and says 'password incorrect'.
After an Ubuntu install, use sudo passwd root to change the root password as normal user. You can login to X as root by selecting the right option in Administration>>Login Screen Setup.
That's bad advice. Ubuntu did not create a root password for a good reason. You should NEVER log in as root. Ubuntu comes with sudo preinstalled and set up. Learn to use it.
Logging in to X as root? No, please don't.
On 11/16/05, Philip Tellis philip.tellis@gmx.net wrote:
Sometime Today, SM cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Ubuntu 5.04 did not create a root password so it had to be created by booting into recovery mode. Even then, in the user mode gui, it does not accept the root password for admin utilities and says 'password incorrect'.
After an Ubuntu install, use sudo passwd root to change the root password as normal user. You can login to X as root by selecting the right option in Administration>>Login Screen Setup.
That's bad advice. Ubuntu did not create a root password for a good reason. You should NEVER log in as root. Ubuntu comes with sudo preinstalled and set up. Learn to use it.
Logging in to X as root? No, please don't.
Some people who are comfortable using root as a user might want to do what I suggested. I like it because you cannot use the autocomplete feature of the shell with sudo. And for god sake, how many times will you use sudo?!?
And I know you shouldn't login to X as root. But if someone badly wants it and is ready to take a risk, they should know that they can! It might help people who work on RH and FC based servers which give several GUI tools which require root password.
-- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
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Some people who are comfortable using root as a user might want to do
you should try and change their comfort so that they become uncomfortable using root.
what I suggested. I like it because you cannot use the autocomplete feature of the shell with sudo. And for god sake, how many times will
with very good reason. when you use sudo, you're supposed to use your brain, not autocomplete. if you cannot use your brain, then you have no business using a device as complex as a computer.
And I know you shouldn't login to X as root. But if someone badly wants it and is ready to take a risk, they should know that they can! It might help people who work on RH and FC based servers which give several GUI tools which require root password.
some of those tools are badly configured, some really do require root access. in most cases, they can be configured to allow users in the wheel group through provided they enter their own password. look at pam for more details.
On 11/16/05, Philip Tellis philip.tellis@gmx.net wrote:
with very good reason. when you use sudo, you're supposed to use your brain, not autocomplete. if you cannot use your brain, then you have no business using a device as complex as a computer.
Dude, you really think people have the time to think and use commands while working? Dont tell me you never use the autocomplete! And, who do you think you are to decide whether I should use a computer or not?!? Better stay in your limits when posting.
-- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
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Dude, you really think people have the time to think and use commands
lol. do you know how stupid that sounds?
while working? Dont tell me you never use the autocomplete! And, who
not as root.
do you think you are to decide whether I should use a computer or
i won't decide. you decide. i am within my limits. you do not decide my limits :P
Philip Tellis wrote:
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Dude, you really think people have the time to think and use commands
lol. do you know how stupid that sounds?
while working? Dont tell me you never use the autocomplete! And, who
not as root.
do you think you are to decide whether I should use a computer or
i won't decide. you decide. i am within my limits. you do not decide my limits :P
Guys, lets stay focussed to the topic of the thread. I normally open up a terminal and do su. It can auto-complete large file/directory names, if thats what all this is about.
Cheers,
Rony.
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Sometime on Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:24:35PM +0530, Rony Bill said:
Guys, lets stay focussed to the topic of the thread. I normally open up a terminal and do su. It can auto-complete large file/directory names, if thats what all this is about.
That's dumb autocompletion. Smarter autocompletion autocompletes package names, command options, hostnames, etc.. and not just file names.
Anurag
On Thursday 17 November 2005 12:02 PM, Anurag wrote:
Sometime on Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:24:35PM +0530, Rony Bill said:
Guys, lets stay focussed to the topic of the thread. I normally open up a terminal and do su. It can auto-complete large file/directory names, if thats what all this is about.
No, It should not do like that. It should show you user names. I think you have not enable bash auto completion. other wise you have to add simple line in /etc/bash_completion
echo "complete -u su " > /etc/bash_completion
If you want to see which auto completion feature you have, just type "complete" on command line.
bash auto completion is also depend on how you configure the /etc/bash_completion file.
That's dumb autocompletion. Smarter autocompletion autocompletes
Nothing is dumb in linux. It depends on how you configure it.
package names, command options, hostnames, etc.. and not just file names.
Can you just share how to do this.
Anurag
Regards, Hardik Dalwadi.
On 11/17/05, Hardik Dalwadi hardik@deeproot.co.in wrote:
That's dumb autocompletion. Smarter autocompletion autocompletes
Nothing is dumb in linux. It depends on how you configure it.
package names, command options, hostnames, etc.. and not just file names.
Can you just share how to do this.
Anurag
Regards, Hardik Dalwadi.
Check out a Mandrake box and compare its autocomplete feature with that of Fedora. Its much extensive and complete. Moreso it helps in putting in the args very very quickly.
But as always is only so smart and cannot read your mind. :)
And thats your starting point for finding "how to do it", besides google.
regards, C
Sometime on Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 07:37:53PM +0530, Sanket Medhi said:
what I suggested. I like it because you cannot use the autocomplete feature of the shell with sudo. And for god sake, how many times will
Autocomplete works for me inside sudo too. I've put a line: ``source /etc/bash_completion'' in my .bashrc
Anurag
On 11/16/05, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:
Sometime on Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 07:37:53PM +0530, Sanket Medhi said:
what I suggested. I like it because you cannot use the autocomplete feature of the shell with sudo. And for god sake, how many times will
Autocomplete works for me inside sudo too. I've put a line: ``source /etc/bash_completion'' in my .bashrc
What does this script exactly do to integrate autocomplete with sudo? If your script can work for me on Ubuntu, please send it over.
-- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sometime on Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:33:33PM +0530, Sanket Medhi said:
What does this script exactly do to integrate autocomplete with sudo? If your script can work for me on Ubuntu, please send it over.
Hi Sanket, ``bash_completion'' comes packaged with bash itself. Look inside your .bashrc and uncomment that line.
In case you dont find that line, then put this in the end of your .bashrc
if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion fi
Anurag
My dear Sanket,
I think I agree with Philip that its absolute madness using X as root. As for peoples' habit, change the bad ones!
Another thing, if you're not comfortable with sudo, quit using Ubuntu!
And Anurag's comment is perfectly right. Use bash completion. If that's not your way, here are the ways to use bash's in-built completion facilities. Mind you, this works in emacs mode. Type 'set -o emacs' to make sure you're in emacs mode in bash (bash also has a vi mode, but even though I only use vim as a text editor, I found emacs mode easier on the bash command line).
Esc+! = Command completion Esc+@ = Hostname completion Esc+$ = Variable completion Esc+/ = Filename completion
Using Ctrl+x instead of Esc will list all the possible completions, just like TAB-TAB.
HTH, Sanket
P.S. I think a seminar on bash's advanced features would be quite nice at a LUG meeting, before a seminar on shell scripting ;)
First of all Rony - my sympathies are with you. I remember it took me 6 months to get a wav sound out of my first RH5 installation. You'll get there eventually :-)
Now since one year, I have tried out many linux distros in order to find the ideal one that can do everything or atlest do the normal stuff thats done in the 'other' popular OS ;)
IMO there is actually not so much of a difference in terms of various *distributions* - underneath they are quite similar in ability. I mean you would be running the same software (mplayer / xine / xmms) irrespective of which distro you use. Then there is the same Linux kernel - the same libc and the same Xserver.
The difference is only in the installation procedure (what get's installed by default? / what works out of the box?). If you are supplying to other people - you have to spend time on: EITHER Learning how to make each distro work OR Learn atleast one distro in/out and stick to it!!
Generally speaking, if you are installing a software from binary packages, it is better to install more packages initially (actually as much as you can fit in) in order to avoid the kind of dependency problems that you have mentioned. You can always weed out the rubbish later. Much more difficult to get a working system from a minimal installation.
Ofcourse the most dependable way of getting any software to work properly is compiling it from source - obviously won't work for your problem since u're actually supplying to others.
The point is that how much time does one have to spend on a linux system to get it running properly?
The answer is: it depends upon how much time you have already spent in the past. As you gain proficieny seemingly difficult tasks will become easy.
Those who say "Linux is easy" have probably not spent enough time using it or they have had an unusually stroke of luck with it. I for one am infamous for hardware conflicts - nothing ever works out of the box for me :-( Every new piece of h/w I purchase comes with many sleepless nights...
Anyway, I suggest you invest time in creating one perfect setup - and get your basics right. Thereafter all distro's have some kinda automated installation tool which can replicate a specified setup. (FAI for Debian, kickstart for RedHat, autoyast and alice for SuSE, list goes on...). Eventually you will end-up with your very own *mini* distribution spec (hurrah for Rony-Linux - lol)
- farazs
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warning: mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b error: Failed dependencies: libXvMCW.so.1 is needed by mplayer-1.0-0.16.pre7.2.fc4.i386
you should have used yum to install it.
Note that your problems are not technical, they are legal. Licencing issues make it illegal for distributors to set up multimedia reliably on a default install.
There are simple instructions to follow - installing the mplayer rpm and its associated dependencies (can be done automatically in about one hour using yum).
To meet your targets, what you have to do is experiment with a few systems until you get your checklist complete. You need to identify every task that needs to be done, make a printout, and stick it on the wall above where you set up boxes. Then run through that checklist for every box.
It generally amounts to stuff like - Install distro, update software (probably kernel as well), set up USB, set up flash devices, set up printer, set up scanner, set up multimedia, set up webcam.
It will help for you to have a local repository of all standard packages that go into your boxes and update them maybe once a week.
I've had to do the same on every box that I've worked on, and it's starting to get routine.
Philip
On Wednesday 16 Nov 2005 6:03 pm, Philip Tellis wrote:
every task that needs to be done, make a printout, and stick it on the wall above where you set up boxes.
on paper? on *paper*??
On Wednesday 16 Nov 2005 7:04 pm, Philip Tellis wrote:
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on paper? on *paper*??
yes - it's more accessible.
nice to know that you have been converted
Philip Tellis wrote:
you should have used yum to install it.
Note that your problems are not technical, they are legal. Licencing issues make it illegal for distributors to set up multimedia reliably on a default install.
There are simple instructions to follow - installing the mplayer rpm and its associated dependencies (can be done automatically in about one hour using yum).
Hello Philip,
I would like to know where exactly I am going wrong in the installation or what am I overlooking and thats causing these problems. The yum is for installing balance packages from the distro cd or directly from the internet. Do I need an active net connection while doing this? Will yum automatically look for relevant sites?
Will yum be the end of all my linux installation woes?
Thanks,
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Rony Bill wrote:
I would like to know where exactly I am going wrong in the installation or what am I overlooking and thats causing these problems. The yum is for installing balance packages from the distro cd or directly from the internet. Do I need an active net connection while doing this? Will yum automatically look for relevant sites?
Will yum be the end of all my linux installation woes?
Yes, Yum, if used with proper repositories will be the end of your linux installation woes. Apt-get is the best IMHO when it comes to binary packages, but I haven't tried it with rpms yet.
I think you'll find these links quite useful:
http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc4-tips.php http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_4_installation_notes.html
I personally used the second link there. It's really nice.
HTH, Mrugesh
P.S. If you get any errors regarding "No more repositories to try" in yum, consider installing the freshrpms and livna rpm from the respective sites, instead of adding the entries to /etc/yum.repos.d/ by hand.
Also, consider using freshrpms+dries instead of livna.
And DO NOT use atrpms.
Also, I think the newrpms repository has been changed to dries. I'm not sure.
You can also get automatic updates to Macromedia Flash Player by adding the Macromedia repository.
Good luck :)
Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
I think you'll find these links quite useful:
http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc4-tips.php http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_4_installation_notes.html
I personally used the second link there. It's really nice.
Thanks Mrugesh, I am, going through the links.
Regards,
Rony.
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I would like to know where exactly I am going wrong in the installation
you didn't get all dependencies. you could choose to get them by hand - which I what I did everytime until the last time, or you can get it using yum/apt-get - which is what I did the last time.
or what am I overlooking and thats causing these problems. The yum is for installing balance packages from the distro cd or directly from the
either. yum can install from any source that you tell it to. I believe there's a file called /etc/yum.something where you can add sources.
When I was setting up FC1, there was a page on setting up yum repositories. I just did a search for multimedia on fc4 howto, and I got this link: http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc4-tips.php
which I think is very similar to the one that I had seen. It'll really help you.
internet. Do I need an active net connection while doing this?
yes
Will yum automatically look for relevant sites?
no, you need to add them to /etc/yum.whatever, but the page I gave you lists the primary sources that need to be added, and how to add them.
Will yum be the end of all my linux installation woes?
nope, but it will ease some of your pain. Stick with it, you're an expert now ;)
Philip
Philip Tellis wrote:
Will yum be the end of all my linux installation woes?
nope, but it will ease some of your pain.
Hello,
Yum, apt, yumx and synapetc are all installed now. Yum in command line worked the best.
Xine and Mplayer have been installed. DVDs and mpeg1 files created from dvds work in both. VCDs are still not playing as a demux pluggin is needed. Xine hangs on trying to play vcds. Totem too does not play vcds. Any clue on vcd playing?
Regards,
Rony.
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On 11/20/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Yum, apt, yumx and synapetc are all installed now. Yum in command line worked the best.
Xine and Mplayer have been installed. DVDs and mpeg1 files created from dvds work in both. VCDs are still not playing as a demux pluggin is needed. Xine hangs on trying to play vcds. Totem too does not play vcds. Any clue on vcd playing?
What all packages did you install? I would recommend not to use mplayer. Instead use Totem on gnome.
Install these packages using yum or apt-get.... xine, xinelibs, totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, gstreamer-plugins
Things should be working fine then. -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sanket Medhi wrote:
What all packages did you install? I would recommend not to use mplayer. Instead use Totem on gnome.
Install these packages using yum or apt-get.... xine, xinelibs, totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, gstreamer-plugins
I got xine, xine-lib, totem, gstreamer-plugin. Yum returned a no package found for totem-xine and totem-gstreamer. I did an rpm query and those 2 packages are not installed in my system too. Is the package name different?
Regards,
Rony.
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On 11/20/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I got xine, xine-lib, totem, gstreamer-plugin. Yum returned a no package found for totem-xine and totem-gstreamer. I did an rpm query and those 2 packages are not installed in my system too. Is the package name different?
The package names are right for Ubuntu. I think in yum you have to specify the versions too with the package names...that's lame! So I would suggest you use yumex to search for totem. You will find some package for xine compatibility in totem. I am sure, I have tried this in FC4 earlier. -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sanket Medhi wrote:
The package names are right for Ubuntu. I think in yum you have to specify the versions too with the package names...that's lame! So I would suggest you use yumex to search for totem. You will find some package for xine compatibility in totem. I am sure, I have tried this in FC4 earlier.
I got totem but it does not play vcds or dvds. Yumex has totem shown as installed. Xine and Mplayer play dvds and mpeg1 files. Totem is supposed to be a front end for xine. Yum does not need version. Simply package name. I will investigate further on totem.
Regards,
Rony.
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Rony Bill wrote:
VCDs are still not playing as a demux pluggin is needed. Xine hangs on trying to play vcds. Totem too does not play vcds. Any clue on vcd playing?
Finally vcds are playing. An nice VCD/DVD player called videolan-client has been installed and it plays both media.
This should conclude the thread on multimedia in linux. :)
Everyone, thanks for your inputs and help. Time to hit the sack. Its 3.30 am.
Regards,
Rony.
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Philip Tellis wrote:
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This should conclude the thread on multimedia in linux. :)
nope. we're still awaiting your in depth howto which will summarise everything you've been through so that others get there easier. :)
Sure, my pleasure.
First, install FC4 as a normal desktop and select additional packages during installation itself. Select the kde desktop as well as all possible multimedia applications and players. For office, do select pdf viewers. For internet select thunderbird and firefox, even though they are older versions. Once the system is up with net access, then download this page http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Fedora_Core_4_Linux_Installation_N... and store it as a saved page so it can be read without disturbing any downloads.
In that page, Stanton suggests a full installation, but that is not necessary. Now directly go to the 'Yum' part. Follow the instructions to the core and in order to avoid spelling mistakes, if necessary use copy/paste for the scripting files created in gedit. Copy/paste works in the gui konsole too. Once yum is installed, do a yum update but after some package headers are downloaded, crtl+c can be used to stop that as the list is very big and never ending. Install other packages too as mentioned in the site page. Go step by step as the page says. I found the yum installation in command line the best way to install packages. Among the players, the videolan-client was the best one to play vcds and dvds.
Yum is a very nice package manager that integrates with rpm sites across the net and synchronizes your requirements with the latest available updates. With yum any available package can be installed. It has a nice feature of looking for dependencies and downloading then along with the main package and install everything smoothly. It tells everything thats happening in well organized text messages on the console. Next, update the firefox and thunderbird using 'yum update firefox thunderbird'.
Thats all that is needed for a good FC4 package installation.
I have a query about yum. How does yum work with older distros? For how long is an rpm available on the sites after new distros come out? For safety, should all the packages be saved in a local folder so that even if they go off the net, they are always available? Can the packages be saved like that?
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Add Freshrpms Updates and DAG's repositories and then try installing totem-xine and totem-gstreamer
http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Fedora_Core_4_Linux_Installation_N...: Refer this ^ to add freshrpms into your YUM repo list
http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/FAQ.php#B4 Refer this ^ to ass DAG into your YUM repo list
Why are you installing FC4? is it only for Multimedia?
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Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Fedora_Core_4_Linux_Installation_N...: Refer this ^ to add freshrpms into your YUM repo list
This was already there.
http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/FAQ.php#B4 Refer this ^ to ass DAG into your YUM repo list
Added this. Still there is no package called totem-xine and totem-gstreamer. I will remove totem and install it fresh. Maybe that will get the extra plugins.
Why are you installing FC4? is it only for Multimedia?
FC4 has good driver support and is good for beginners as well as experts. It was the only distro where my LG-LSP350R could be properly setup. Even at two of my clients places, FC3 based distros installed properly on their comps. One other client has Mandrake 10.1 and he's practically forgotten me as he has no problems after he switched over to linux. :)
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Personally, I find Fedora Core extremely lame. Anaconda sucks! Anyway, that's not the point.
I think totem-xine is available in the livna repository. I'm sure I've installed it. And try VideoLan (VLC). It is awesome. I think you did mention that it managed to play your VCDs. The advantage of VLC is that it has codecs built-in.
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On 11/20/05, Mrugesh Karnik mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com wrote:
Personally, I find Fedora Core extremely lame. Anaconda sucks! Anyway, that's not the point.
I think totem-xine is available in the livna repository. I'm sure I've installed it. And try VideoLan (VLC). It is awesome. I think you did mention that it managed to play your VCDs. The advantage of VLC is that it has codecs built-in.
And yes, you would want to install the Mozilla plugin for mplayer and/or VLC for integrating video in your Mozilla browser.
-- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=totem-xine&submit...... returns DAG packages for Fedora Core 3 x86_64, as one of the web hosting this file,
did you run after adding the repo? # yum update
revant
use some package searching website to find the required repository for installing totem-xine, google it
revant
On 11/21/05, Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com wrote:
use some package searching website to find the required repository for installing totem-xine, google it
Go to rpm.pbone.net http://rpm.pbone.net, select Advanced Search, select your distro and search totem. -- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
use some package searching website to find the required repository for installing totem-xine, google it
revant
I did that and found this one http://repo.nrpms.net/totem-xine/1.2.0/RPMS/totem-xine-1.2.0-3.1.fc4.nr.i386...
However it gave this error on installation.
rpm -ivh totem-xine-1.2.0-3.1.fc4.nr.i386.rpm error: Failed dependencies: iso-codes >= 0.45 is needed by totem-xine-1.2.0-3.1.fc4.nr.i386 libcairo.so.2 is needed by totem-xine-1.2.0-3.1.fc4.nr.i386 libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 is needed by totem-xine-1.2.0-3.1.fc4.nr.i386 totem < 1.2.0 conflicts with totem-xine-1.2.0-3.1.fc4.nr.i386
The installed totem version is 1.0.4 and totem-xine is conflicting with it. That must be the reason why its not on the yum repos list. Even the other packages like iso.. libcairo... and libpan... are not on the yum sites. Anyway thanks for your efforts. :) Totem worked fine in Mandrake 10.1 and it played VCDs and DVDs too. I guess its just some compatibility issue with FC4.
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Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=totem-xine&submit...... returns DAG packages for Fedora Core 3 x86_64, as one of the web hosting this file,
I got FC4.
did you run after adding the repo?
No! I remained seated in my chair.
# yum update
Yes I did that.
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Sorry for confusing you between running and executing a command, I was confused (little rehab from my linuxAdiction will clear my thinking and my mild schizophrenia) . I meant to say "did you run the foll:"
you can ad this into your repositories and run again! http://www.nrpms.net/Packages/fedora-4-i386/production/totem-xine.html http://www.nrpms.net/Docs/Yum/
peace Revant 2.01
Revant Nandgaonkar wrote:
Sorry for confusing you between running and executing a command, I was confused (little rehab from my linuxAdiction will clear my thinking and my mild schizophrenia) . I meant to say "did you run the foll:"
Hey I was only kidding with a straight face. Don't worry. :)
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On 11/16/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Will yum be the end of all my linux installation woes?
Thanks,
Rony.
yup.
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Rony Bill wrote:
Hello All,
The major roadblock is in running the media playes for mp3s, mpegs, VCDs or DVDs. In my system, the RHEL could play mp3s only after real player was downloaded. Debian could not play anything. Mandrake 10.1 was the only OS that played VCDs and DVDs without any extra download or installation. However it had a problem of residue picture frames scattering over the desktop on close of player. FC4, SuSe 10 as well as Ubuntu failed. SuSe 10 has CD mounting problems. Ubuntu 5.04 did not create a root password so it had to be created by booting into recovery mode. Even then, in the user mode gui, it does not accept the root password for admin utilities and says 'password incorrect'.
As per the new instructions given about downloading codecs from mplayer and installing them in the /usr/lib/win32 dir, all this was done but the players in FC4, SuSe 10 as well as Ubuntu 5.04 that was tried out, don't play anything and simply give some errors. The latest effort was to download mplayer itself for FC4 and here's the result for the same.
The point is that how much time does one have to spend on a linux system to get it running properly?
I don't know if my answer could really help you or not but I suggest you give it a try. Since you have tried using different distributions offering GNU/Linux, I guess you are now pretty sure on how to go about installing another one. I therefore suggest you install Slackware. It will end all your problems as far as multimedia is concerned. No more mp3, etc. problems. xine-lib that comes with Slackware has all the codecs. And if you have win32 binaries (for Quicktime, real player format, etc.) you could put them to some convenient location and tell xine where it is. I am able to play most of the formats (audio, video, CD, DVD) without any hitch. I am using xine-lib 1.0.2 from slackware-current.
If you are not feeling comfortable using command line installation, you could opt for Slax, it is a live cd based on Slackware and can be installed on your hard disk. And Slax is modular, so you could install other software which are not on the live cd by installing the respective "module" and you have what you want. Visit www.slax.org for details. Of course, I would still insist that you use Slackware :-).
With Slackware you would miss some of the automation that you get with user friendly distros like Suse, Mandrake, etc. But there exists enough documentation/forums to solve those problems. (Example, auto mounting usb devices). I am using hal + dbus and it does the job properly.
Suse is also a good distribution. In fact, before I started using Slackware, I used to use Suse 8.2. Later releases of Suse were not as good as 8.2, and so I created a new partition on my hard disk, installed Slackware 10.0, and didn't need to go back to Suse. I tried the latest Open Suse 10.0, (LFY mag), and go my disbelief it actually upgraded my 8.2 to 10.0 *without* any problems. That was really impressive. Sound, video, etc. works all right, of course, no mp3. But I had xine-lib downloaded from packman (link mentioned below), and everything works.
If you like using Suse, you could use the following link to end your multimedia woes on Suse.
http://packman.links2linux.org
You will get all your multimedia problems solve here.
HTH, Rajen.
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On Thursday 17 Nov 2005 1:00 am, Rajen M. Parekh wrote:
Suse is also a good distribution. In fact, before I started using Slackware, I used to use Suse 8.2. Later releases of Suse were not as good as 8.2, and so I created a new partition on my hard disk, installed Slackware 10.0, and didn't need to go back to Suse. I tried the latest Open Suse 10.0, (LFY mag), and go my disbelief it actually upgraded my 8.2 to 10.0 *without* any problems.
i vote for mandriva for all newbie installs - where the newbie doesnt do the install
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 14:40 +0530, Rony Bill wrote:
My users are mainly home and small office ones and they have a lot of multimedia activity going on.
Please do not treat this message as a rant or cribbing or a complaint against linux. It is simply an SOS from a junior linuxer on behalf of other junior linuxers too. I am not looking at an individual problem for any particular distro. Its a general problem that I want to highlight.
Rony, here are a couple of Linux distros with focus on multimedia:
http://www.dynebolic.org/ available gratis
Studio to Go! http://www.ferventsoftware.com/ not gratis
As to the larger issue of multimedia support on Linux - there has already been much discussion in the thread.
But ... a counter point - I have an OEM SB Live! 5.1 sound card. Downloaded the windoze drivers and the accompanying software from Creative Lab's website. In Win XP/2K, the driver installation software is unable to find the card although it shows up as multimedia device under devices! I have tried it on a AMD64 (MSI K8TNeo) and a Pentium 4 system - no sound, no multimedia :(
Yet, under Linux the card works very well in both systems :)
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On 11/17/05, Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com wrote:
I FEEL apt-get is better than yum revant
My +1
apt-get rocks!
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On 11/17/05, Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com wrote:
I FEEL apt-get is better than yum revant
My +1
apt-get rocks!
apt-get and Synaptic both rock! :D
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Sanket Medhi wrote:
apt-get and Synaptic both rock! :D
This request may sound like spoon feeding but since there are different ways to do similar things, can anyone who has actually successfully *installed FC4 along with fully working multimedia* please give a procedure list of how this was done? A list that is blindly followed by a production engineer to exactly replicate the process??
Currently I am working on the installation notes from the FC4 links that were provided here.
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Rony Bill wrote:
Currently I am working on the installation notes from the FC4 links that were provided here.
An update! As per the FC4 installation notes, yum has been successfully installed in my system. Yum update is taking a very long time as the list of softwares is a long one. More installation tomorrow. A query: Is is necessary to download an entire list of softwares from yum repositories or whenever I want to I stall a package, I simply query yum for that package update only instead of downloading the entire list? The list is too long and the headers themselves will occupy unnecessary disk space.
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softwares is a long one. More installation tomorrow. A query: Is is necessary to download an entire list of softwares from yum repositories or whenever I
man yum
On 18/11/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
An update! As per the FC4 installation notes, yum has been successfully installed in my system. Yum update is taking a very long time as the list of softwares is a long one. More installation tomorrow. A query: Is is necessary to download an entire list of softwares from yum repositories or whenever I want to I stall a package, I simply query yum for that package update only instead of downloading the entire list? The list is too long and the headers themselves will occupy unnecessary disk space.
I'd suggest using yumex.. It's much easier to use when it comes to selecting only the specific packages you want.
As for the dependancies, you can't avoid them. The only way to install only what you want to, is by using Gentoo's portage, which of course is available only on Gentoo.
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did the Fedoranews FAQ help you? http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Fedora_Core_4_Linux_Installation_N...
wht parts of the installation are not working on your comp? and what are your comp spec?
Maybe I can help if i know this
yum is in pre installation of packages from repo try using apt, it might help speedup the process, I used apt while i was on dialup, it started in 15 mins
try to use minimum repos or the only repos you want that will help speed up the list process
On 11/18/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Rony Bill wrote: A query: Is is necessary to download an entire list of softwares from yum repositories or whenever I want to I stall a package, I simply query yum for that package update only instead of downloading the entire list?
No, it is not necessary to download the entire list to install a package. Use yum -c install [package-name] to search a package in the yum cache and then install. yum is quite slow as compared to apt-get. That is one of the the major reasons why apt-get rocks.
On 11/17/05, Rony Bill ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
can anyone who has actually successfully *installed FC4 along with fully working multimedia* please give a procedure list of how this was done?
If you are using an x86 machine, I dont think there is anything you cant run on your machine through FC4. As I have been saying for so long, use yum to install gstreamer-plugins and xine-libs. Also, download w32codecs to play Windoze Media and other formats. I think w32codecs is also available via yum on some repository, if you dont find it download it from rpm.pbone.nethttp://rpm.pbone.netand instsll manually. You can also download Real Player for Linux from its site or from rpm.pbone.net http://rpm.pbone.net . You can get Macromedia Flash plugin from yum. I too recommend you to use yumex as it gives you an interface using which you can search for packages you need easily. I dont think I am missing anything here, am I ?
-- Regards, Sanket Medhi.
Sometime on Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 11:56:10PM +0530, Rony Bill said:
*installed FC4 along with fully working multimedia* please give a procedure list of how this was done? A list that is blindly followed by a production engineer to exactly replicate the process??
If it were Ubuntu then i'd highly recommend your support engineer to take a print out of htp://ubuntuguide.org/ and try them out. Its a single page website and very understandable.
You see, i always carry a couple of Ubuntu CDs and a printout of this page when my friends invite me for installation :)
Anurag
ubuntuguide is unofficial and old, use Help in your gnome deskop there is a link to official starter guide or visit official doc here http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/
On 11/18/05, Revant Nandgaonkar revant.one@gmail.com wrote:
ubuntuguide is unofficial and old, use Help in your gnome deskop there is a link to official starter guide or visit official doc here http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/
For Ubuntu, always use wiki.ubuntu.com http://wiki.ubuntu.com .
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