On Thursday 20 Mar 2008, linuxers-request@mm.glug-bom.org wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:11 +0530 From: jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
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AMD is any day a better bet as far as drivers go. They have opened the specs to the cpu, chipset and the 3d graphics engine as well. Only a matter of time before you have full 3d support on all AMD chipsets.
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It has been about a year+ (?) since AMD acquired ATI, and we still have "prop." drivers for the ATI chips.
About 18 months ago, when I was researching Linux compatibility for a notebook purchase. Intel chipset based models were the best bet.
All major Linux distros - everything worked out of the box (WiFi, 3D graphics).
Whereas on a HP AMD Turion notebook of same vintage (ATI chipset), even today I have to opt for downloading prop. drivers to get full 3D.
For the majority of end users (open to embrace Linux) should we tell them to wait or get something that works today?
-- Arun Khan
On Friday 21 March 2008 11:58 am, Arun Khan wrote:
On Thursday 20 Mar 2008, linuxers-request@mm.glug-bom.org wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:11 +0530 From: jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
...... snip .....
AMD is any day a better bet as far as drivers go. They have opened the specs to the cpu, chipset and the 3d graphics engine as well. Only a matter of time before you have full 3d support on all AMD chipsets.
...... snip .....
It has been about a year+ (?) since AMD acquired ATI, and we still have "prop." drivers for the ATI chips.
About 18 months ago, when I was researching Linux compatibility for a notebook purchase. Intel chipset based models were the best bet.
All major Linux distros - everything worked out of the box (WiFi, 3D graphics).
Afaik the intel chipsets have relatively pathetic 3d.
Whereas on a HP AMD Turion notebook of same vintage (ATI chipset), even today I have to opt for downloading prop. drivers to get full 3D.
A dell laptop with AMD turion worked out of the box with etch about 8 months ago.
For the majority of end users (open to embrace Linux) should we tell them to wait or get something that works today?
The usual devil and the deep sea decision :-(.
The specs for the older chipsets have not been released (for reasons best known to AMD). But specs for the newer chipsets have been released. One would have to check which chipsets before buying. Afaik only newer mobos not yet available in India (for desktops) have these chipsets. But then who needs 3d on a server.
While everyone would like 3D now, it would be a little longer with X, given that this is the first time that 3d engine specs have been released at all.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
Afaik the intel chipsets have relatively pathetic 3d.
Your "AFAIK" is _wrong_. I've been using Intel's onboard graphics card and have been able to seamlessly run all 3D applications / games / whatever... Oh yes lets not forget the out-of-the-box compatibility with OpenSource drivers :)
For the majority of end users (open to embrace Linux) should we tell them to wait or get something that works today?
The usual devil and the deep sea decision :-(.
No its not the "devil and the deep sea" decision. The decision is simple - go for what works :) It is amusing to see how people contradict themselves. You want people to adopt Linux BUT when things dont work, they should wait...
The specs for the older chipsets have not been released (for reasons best known to AMD). But specs for the newer chipsets have been released. One would have to check which chipsets before buying. Afaik only newer mobos not yet available in India (for desktops) have these chipsets. But then who needs 3d on a server.
The X1200 chip is new AFAIK.
While everyone would like 3D now, it would be a little longer with X, given that this is the first time that 3d engine specs have been released at all.
Oh the joy...let me go and download those specs and play bzflag in my mind! :)
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
On Friday 21 March 2008 11:58 am, Arun Khan wrote:
On Thursday 20 Mar 2008, linuxers-request@mm.glug-bom.org wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:11 +0530 From: jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
...... snip .....
AMD is any day a better bet as far as drivers go. They have opened the specs to the cpu, chipset and the 3d graphics engine as well. Only a matter of time before you have full 3d support on all AMD chipsets.
...... snip .....
It has been about a year+ (?) since AMD acquired ATI, and we still have "prop." drivers for the ATI chips.
About 18 months ago, when I was researching Linux compatibility for a notebook purchase. Intel chipset based models were the best bet.
All major Linux distros - everything worked out of the box (WiFi, 3D graphics).
Afaik the intel chipsets have relatively pathetic 3d.
Whereas on a HP AMD Turion notebook of same vintage (ATI chipset), even today I have to opt for downloading prop. drivers to get full 3D.
A dell laptop with AMD turion worked out of the box with etch about 8 months ago.
For the majority of end users (open to embrace Linux) should we tell them to wait or get something that works today?
The usual devil and the deep sea decision :-(.
The specs for the older chipsets have not been released (for reasons best known to AMD). But specs for the newer chipsets have been released. One would have to check which chipsets before buying. Afaik only newer mobos not yet available in India (for desktops) have these chipsets. But then who needs 3d on a server.
While everyone would like 3D now, it would be a little longer with X, given that this is the first time that 3d engine specs have been released at all.
-- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Hmmm.. that simply means.. if i need to buy a laptop for graphics purposes, Intel would still be the best bet at my current space-time coordinates :D Regardless of the service support they give or fail to give at certain points in space-time :P
And well, as far as graphic performance of Intel chipset is concerned.. it has worked really well on my box with Linux.. Still, no claims there; i haven't witnessed any exhaustive chip-set tests ever. Regards.
On 3/21/08, km km@eficacy.com wrote:
Hmmm.. that simply means.. if i need to buy a laptop for graphics purposes, Intel would still be the best bet at my current space-time coordinates :D
exactly! I've experienced that whatever laptop one buys, if it has an Intel Chipset, then it rocks! :) No graphics issues or wifi issues or whatever lest it is a really really squeaky new chipset! :P
Regardless of the service support they give or fail to give at certain points in space-time :P
They do give great support normally.
Still, no claims there; i haven't witnessed any exhaustive chip-set tests ever.
You know, the end user doesn CARE if he gets 260 FPS or 259 FPS cuz our eyes cant make out anything above 30 FPS!!! ;)
jtd wrote:
AMD is any day a better bet as far as drivers go. They have opened the specs to the cpu, chipset and the 3d graphics engine as well. Only a matter of time before you have full 3d support on all AMD chipsets.
Irrespective of 3D, right now how much of GNU friendly AMD hardware is available in Lamington Rd. for desktops and laptops?
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