Hi,
Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora? A friend has pacenet set up on windows and she needs it set up on linux. She's not too familiar with the setup on windows or how to set it up on linux, but if anyone has ideas, I could explain it to her.
This is in Andheri East if it helps.
Philip
On 5/6/06, Philip Tellis philip.tellis@gmx.net wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora? A friend has pacenet set up on windows and she needs it set up on linux. She's not too familiar with the setup on windows or how to set it up on linux, but if anyone has ideas, I could explain it to her.
I found this: http://www.broadbandforum.in/index.php?showtopic=4596&hl=pacenet+linux
Hope this helps.
Regards, Siddhesh
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A friend has pacenet set up on windows and she needs it set up on linux. She's not too familiar with the setup on windows or how to set it up on linux, but if anyone has ideas, I could explain it to her.
I found this: http://www.broadbandforum.in/index.php?showtopic=4596&hl=pacenet+linux
That says to get a new account for linux. I don't think that's a reasonable solution. Surely there must be a way to get the current connection working under linux.
Philip
That says to get a new account for linux. I don't think that's a reasonable solution. Surely there must be a way to get the current connection working under linux.
Maybe the new username funda is just a simple branch on their end.
if( linux_user() ) { some_generic_auth(); } else { proprietary_auth(); }
It's just a hunch though. Even the Sify auth procedure is similar.
Siddhesh
On Saturday 06 May 2006 18:33, Philip Tellis wrote:
That says to get a new account for linux. I don't think that's a reasonable solution. Surely there must be a way to get the current connection working under linux.
I have no info on which client pacenet uses. But as I understand most of these cable ISPs use modified 24OnlineClient. In this case I guess you can use linc-daemon.
On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 12:06:19PM +0000, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Saturday 06 May 2006 18:33, Philip Tellis wrote:
That says to get a new account for linux. I don't think that's a reasonable solution. Surely there must be a way to get the current connection working under linux.
I have no info on which client pacenet uses. But as I understand most of these cable ISPs use modified 24OnlineClient. In this case I guess you can use linc-daemon.
The PCQ Linux 2006 :-P linux distro has a version of 'wine' that runs windows softwares directly from the fat32 partition instead of running them within linux.
The advantage is that all the windows system files are available in the windows folder.
So if the user is using a dual boot system then she can get wine setup to run the pacenet dialler on the mounted partition in linux. Never tried it though. If it works, the same dialer and account can be used in win and lin.
Regards,
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The PCQ Linux 2006 :-P linux distro has a version of 'wine' that runs windows softwares directly from the fat32 partition instead of running them within linux.
what about NTFS? this PC has NTFS on the windows partitions.
On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 08:48:25PM +0530, Philip Tellis wrote:
Sometime Today, R cobbled together some glyphs to say:
The PCQ Linux 2006 :-P linux distro has a version of 'wine' that runs windows softwares directly from the fat32 partition instead of running them within linux.
what about NTFS? this PC has NTFS on the windows partitions.
Download and install 'Captive-Ntfs'. It works fine in my pc and does not need any kernel modifications. It uses the native ntfs drivers that can be copied from the windows partition.
www.jankratochwil.net/project/captive
Regards,
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Download and install 'Captive-Ntfs'. It works fine in my pc and does
Umm, remember that the problem here is about connecting to the net. Can't connect to the net from linux, so can't download. Can connect to the net from windows, but can't read NTFS partition - not sure. If NTFS is readable already then there is not need to download this anyway. No floppy drive as far as I know.
Philip
On Sunday 07 May 2006 22:28, Philip Tellis wrote:
Umm, remember that the problem here is about connecting to the net. Can't connect to the net from linux, so can't download. Can connect to the net from windows, but can't read NTFS partition - not sure. If NTFS is readable already then there is not need to download this anyway. No floppy drive as far as I know.
Connect to the internet from windows. Download kernel-module-ntfs. Save it on a pen drive or something. Reboot to linux. Install the module. Enjoy readonly access to the win partition.
Sometime on May 7, DJ cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Connect to the internet from windows. Download kernel-module-ntfs. Save it on a pen drive or something. Reboot to linux. Install the module. Enjoy readonly access to the win partition.
Did I mention that this all has to be done by a non-technical person?
Let's see how creative and userfriendly we can get.
On Monday 08 May 2006 02:31, Philip Tellis wrote:
Did I mention that this all has to be done by a non-technical person?
Humans, they are the root of all problems! ( Bad pun!! Bad pun!! )
1. Boot to windows 2. Open FF, put in URL 3. Download file to desktop 4. Put the flash drive in 5. Copy the file on the desktop to flash drive 6. Eject the flash drive ( very very imp!! ) 7. Reboot 8. Select Linux to boot 9. Login as root 10. Put in the flash drive 11. Copy the file to /home/foo/ 12. Spawn a terminal 13. run rpm -ivh kernel-module-ntfs-<...>.rpm ( or whatever ) 14. Create mount point /mnt/win 15. Mount the partitions using mount -t auto /dev/hdX /mnt/win
Partition access problem solved in ONLY 15 EZ steps ;)
You can elaborate all these points over a phone right?
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On Monday 08 May 2006 02:31, Philip Tellis wrote:
Did I mention that this all has to be done by a non-technical person?
- Put the flash drive in
first need to get a flash drive (I'm not in the same city as the user)
- Login as root
does the user have the root password? I'm not sure of this.
- Spawn a terminal
not user friendly
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A steeper initial learning curve exists, but once you cross that, life becomes much simpler.
for most people, the time it takes to cross the curve exceeds the time they spend on a computer in their entire lifetime.
On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 10:28:54PM +0530, Philip Tellis wrote:
Sometime Today, R cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Download and install 'Captive-Ntfs'. It works fine in my pc and does
Can connect to the net from windows, but can't read NTFS partition - not sure. If NTFS is readable already then there is not need to download this anyway.
Some information is missing. The ntfs partition must have been there because windows could create it so it has to be read/writable. Does the user want to use the net in windows or linux or both? Partition type should not matter.
Regards,
Rony.
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Sometime on May 7, R cobbled together some glyphs to say:
Some information is missing. The ntfs partition must have been there because windows could create it so it has to be read/writable. Does the user want to use the net in windows or linux or both? Partition type should not matter.
Windows is installed on NTFS partition - there is no FAT32 partition. Windows already connects to net System dual boots with linux linux cannot read/write NTFS without a kernel module or something else linux cannot connect to net
1. problem: how to connect to net on linux 2. solution: use wine to run the dialler off windows 3. problem: dialler is on NTFS partition, linux cannot read 4. solution: download package for linux to read NTFS 5. problem: linux cannot connect to net 6. solution: download on windows and copy to linux 7. problem: linux cannot read NTFS 8. solution: goto 4.
:)
We're trying to solve the wrong problem.
Philip
On 06-May-06, at 11:18 PM, Philip Tellis wrote:
Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora?
I used to have a pacenet connection about 2 years ago. Had the same issue.
I don't know if the issue is still the same but in my case i had to get my account enabled from pacenet so that i could connect using linux.
1. You don't need to run the widows dialer using wine 2. Insist on talking to a pacenet network person who knows that linux exists and tell the person to activate your account so that you can connect through linux. I know this sounds weird but believe me it works. The network support guys would first refuse to believe that such an OS exists ... then they would refuse to accept that your ID needs to be separately activated for connecting without their windows dialer ... but if you persist with it ... they would do the needful. 3. Remember: "you need to get your account enabled such that you wouldn't need a dialer to connect"
Have fun, Kapil
Philip Tellis wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone succeeded in setting up pacenet internet on ubuntu or fedora? A friend has pacenet set up on windows and she needs it set up on linux. She's not too familiar with the setup on windows or how to set it up on linux, but if anyone has ideas, I could explain it to her.
This is in Andheri East if it helps.
Philip
Dear Phillip,
I've been running using pacenet on fedora since 2003, and haven't faced any problems, and i don't use one bit of extra software. And for heavens sake, you DON'T need to use that mammoth of a dialer that pacenet provides via wine etc.
The Pacenet Auth system Depends on 2 parts :- 1. Mac Addresses :- Here you shouldn't face a problem, as the Hardware Default macs should be common on both windows and linux. However, if you're using a custom mac in windoze, then make sure u set that up in linux too. 2. PPP PAP :- Pacenet implements STANDARD PAP auth over the pppoe link, but with a twist. They send the username as is, but dont send the password the same way. Instead, they encode the password into a numeric string, and send that as the password. All i had to do was to use ethereal in windows as my dialer was connecting, capture the numeric string, and bingo, i use that numeric string as my password in linux. It works like a charm, and you have the same username in linux and windows. An interesting side effect of this is that using this trick, you can connect even in windows WITHOUT using the pacenet dialer( Too Much bloat, in my opinion. Who needs Video on demand, expecially when there's almost nothing to see in there and when u have mplayer + 800 gb of disc space :))
In any case, everything i've said here, i've also shared with the pacenet tech guys, loong before they started providing @linuxuser accounts, including their No. 1 sysadmin (A Guy Called Andy, i think). If you still need help in getting pacenet up, do feel free to contact me off list, and propably i can demonstrate the procedure to you via vnc or something.
Regards R. K. Rajeev
R. K. Rajeev wrote:
- PPP PAP :- Pacenet implements STANDARD PAP auth over the pppoe link,
but with a twist. They send the username as is, but dont send the password the same way. Instead, they encode the password into a numeric string, and send that as the password. All i had to do was to use ethereal in windows as my dialer was connecting, capture the numeric string, and bingo, i use that numeric string as my password in linux. It works like a charm, and you have the same username in linux and windows.
Please see this link. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-82441.html
I tested this in Windows. Its right. I connected without the dialer. Will test in Linux after my exams.
In Linux, I think you can use the pppoe tool and the given username with this loooong numeric string (4 times no. of characters in your password) as your password. Wonder if it works. Please let us know.
I want to know from Mr. Rajeev if they still have the 64kbps rule - no support for Linux for packs below 64kbps. Though if the method suggested by you works in spite of that, it would be great.
It works in Ubuntu too!
1. Get your all numeric "encrypted" password string using the info provided in the link I sent you. Here it is again. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-82441.html
2. In Ubuntu, setup your eth0.
3. At a terminal, do "sudo pppoeconf" and follow the steps. Username as is used in windows and password as generated above.
You are done!
I'm hopping around with joy! I finally got my Linux box to connect through Pacenet.
Well, I only checked <www.yahoo.com> before hopping back into win32 to send this mail. And I think there is the issue of "pon dsl-provider" and "poff" which I haven't tried out yet. I wonder whether I have to set the dsl-provider to anything else or not in my previous attempts. Also, I don't know yet how Ubuntu will handle the arbitrary service outages (having error codes 25xxx) that the Pacenet dialer handles in win32.
On Monday 08 May 2006 01:40, R. K. Rajeev wrote:
Dear Phillip,
I've been running using pacenet on fedora since 2003, and haven't faced any problems, and i don't use one bit of extra software. And for heavens sake, you DON'T need to use that mammoth of a dialer that pacenet provides via wine etc.
The Pacenet Auth system Depends on 2 parts :-
- Mac Addresses :- Here you shouldn't face a problem, as the
Hardware Default macs should be common on both windows and linux. However, if you're using a custom mac in windoze, then make sure u set that up in linux too. 2. PPP PAP :- Pacenet implements STANDARD PAP auth over the pppoe link, but with a twist. They send the username as is, but dont send the password the same way. Instead, they encode the password into a numeric string, and send that as the password. All i had to do was to use ethereal in windows as my dialer was connecting, capture the numeric string, and bingo, i use that numeric string as my password in linux. It works like a charm, and you have the same username in linux and windows. An interesting side effect of this is that using this trick, you can connect even in windows WITHOUT using the pacenet dialer( Too Much bloat, in my opinion. Who needs Video on demand, expecially when there's almost nothing to see in there and when u have mplayer + 800 gb of disc space :))
In any case, everything i've said here, i've also shared with the pacenet tech guys, loong before they started providing @linuxuser accounts, including their No. 1 sysadmin (A Guy Called Andy, i think). If you still need help in getting pacenet up, do feel free to contact me off list, and propably i can demonstrate the procedure to you via vnc or something.
Regards R. K. Rajeev
Bravo!! This is just what I was waiting for :) I knew they were changing something in the PPPoE authentication which made it incompatible with the standard clients! :)
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