On Tuesday 24 May 2005 05:55, Rony Bill wrote:
Technically linux is *the best* but its iterfacing with humans needs to be simpler. Eg. MTNL has the best technological resources but their human interface is apalling and causes it to be unpopular.
That comparison is apt when turned on it's head with a minor change. M$ has the most resources but their world interface is apalling and causes it to be unpopular amongst those who know. The resources MTNL garnered by having monopoly status granted by the government. Fits M$ to the T except that they have obtained a monopoly by illegal parctices. And further want to compound the fact by 1) trying to incorporate patented "technology" into standards 2) lobbying for patents 3) Spreading fud using self financed sham studies. 4) Obtaining patents on prior art 5) Illegally usurping technology from small companies 6) Claiming that FLOSS is a destroyer of capitalism and economies 7) Subverting communication standards 9) Failing to adhere to court rulings on protocol disclosures ad nauseum
Thus trying to lock out FLOSS by means other than technology or market competence. The op was to draw attention to a possibility of legal action against hardware vendors installing M$ products with known and unplugged security holes not to bash windows users or go thru the flogged to death windows is better than linux. Most Luggers are aware of these issues but some still fail to see the fact that they are active abetters in M$ illegal activity - sort of biting the hand that feeds.
Just stop bashing windows
In spite of the above facts? If you dont create sufficient awareness now you could be hauled to court via dmca for disclosing the next vulnerability my friend. Lucky India as yet does not have such a law. Dont wait passively for one to be enacted act now by ditching M$ - you have a more than capable alternative with FLOSS.
or their users.
Except on this list - only because they are sufficiently aware of the issues but continue to abet M$. IMO. And for the record the op was not directed to anyone person.
rgds jtd
sherlock@vsnl.com wrote:
Thus trying to lock out FLOSS by means other than technology or market competence. The op was to draw attention to a possibility of legal action against hardware vendors installing M$ products with known and unplugged security holes not to bash windows users or go thru the flogged to death windows is better than linux. Most Luggers are aware of these issues but some still fail to see the fact that they are active abetters in M$ illegal activity - sort of biting the hand that feeds.
In spite of the above facts? If you dont create sufficient awareness now you could be hauled to court via dmca for disclosing the next vulnerability my friend. Lucky India as yet does not have such a law. Dont wait passively for one to be enacted act now by ditching M$ - you have a more than capable alternative with FLOSS.
Except on this list - only because they are sufficiently aware of the issues but continue to abet M$. IMO. And for the record the op was not directed to anyone person.
All your points noted and I agree with you but please understand the problems of the hardware guys too. The hardware guys are not into programming or its associated legal issues. Their first and foremost concern is to get their system up in munimum time with the least roadblocks and maximun compatibility with peripherial devices. At present the popular hardware that goes into a normal desktop computer is one that has only windows drivers in their cds. Even the peripherial as well as external device drivers are created more for the windows platform than linux.
What I observed in linux is that it has an excellent core and as a standalone server with minimum peripherial devices, it is the best option. But in a desktop used for homes and small offices there is always some device or another than will not work properly on linux due to lack of liinux drivers provided by its manufacturer, as it would on windows. My own system is one such system where everything does not work on linux. The other options are to buy linux compatible hardware. This will increase costs which will not be acceptable to the customers when the other competitors are willing to do it cheap for them.
As time goes by, a better situation will prevail where new hardware in the market will come with fully working linux drivers along with ther windows versions in the accompanying cds. That will be the turning point for linux where there will be no looking back to windows. Till then everyone, please be a little patient.
Best Wishes,
Rony.
All your points noted and I agree with you but please understand the problems of the hardware guys too. The hardware guys are not into programming or its associated legal issues. Their first and foremost concern is to get their system up in munimum time with the least roadblocks and maximun compatibility with peripherial devices. At present the popular hardware that goes into a normal desktop computer is one that has only windows drivers in their cds. Even the peripherial as well as external device drivers are created more for the windows platform than linux.
This is the first time I am hearing that a hardware is developed for a particular OS. Man if these hardware vendor also provide a driver for their device ,then this problem wouldn't arise.It is the hackers who write these drivers either by extending some driver written for some similar device. I didn't have my sound card supported for several years just because the h/w co didn't want to release their specs.But those idiots didn't provide the drivers also. Once the specs came up some one came up with a driver for it and my device is working fine on it.
What I observed in linux is that it has an excellent core and as a standalone server with minimum peripherial devices, it is the best option. But in a desktop used for homes and small offices there is always some device or another than will not work properly on linux due to lack of liinux drivers provided by its manufacturer, as it would on windows. My own system is one such system where everything does not work on linux. The other options are to buy linux compatible hardware. This will increase costs which will not be acceptable to the customers when the other competitors are willing to do it cheap for them.
In this case the pressure should come up on the manufacturers to provide the drivers for linux too.This would speed up linux acceptance also.
As time goes by, a better situation will prevail where new hardware in the market will come with fully working linux drivers along with ther windows versions in the accompanying cds. That will be the turning point for linux where there will be no looking back to windows. Till then everyone, please be a little patient.
Best Wishes,
Rony.
Yeps ,when manufacturers start providing linux drivers then there will be no looking back. waiting for that day to come...
regards, Pankaj
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