This is a very important thing which I am focusing on. Please feel free to add anything else you have noticed. Then perhaps we could send a letter to TOI or something
Have you ever realized how TOI seems to favour Windows a lot. I am not just talking about ignoring Linux. Anything which is not Windows gets a small box while even the slightest news about Windows gets half a page. To qoute a recent example: In the Aug. 5, 2005 issue of Times International they have half a page for Windows Vista, and Another half a page in Mumbai Mirror. They say how it has coll new graphics with transparent titlebars. Hasn't KDE and X had it from atleast 6 months ago. When there is anything about IE like tabs in IE7 they had an article, but I have never seen any article about Netscape, Opera, Mozilla or Firefox. They never tell you that if you switched from Windows to another OS you could totally escape from viruses without having temporary updates. HCL released their Rs 9990 PC having FC3 or FC4. But all they mentioned was that it had a 'Linux-based OS'. No mention about why it is good, its features and better security? Isn't the press supposed to be impartial. Lots of other newspapers provide technology news not concerning Microsoft.
Well I have expressed my views. Please note that this is just my opinion and I am not voicing everyone.
Nikhil
Sometime on Aug 6, NM cobbled together some glyphs to say:
This is a very important thing which I am focusing on. Please feel free to add anything else you have noticed. Then perhaps we could send a letter to TOI or something
TOI will do anything for money. If you pay them to print something, they'll print it. If you pay them to hold back a story, they'll do that too.
On several occassions, they've plagiarised websites and other news sources and claimed that it was their own. Most of these sources are outside India, and so don't even know that this has happened.
Unfortunately, they have the largest circulation and too many people believe what they write.
Anyone who values freedom should boycott the TOI and switch to better newspapers like the Indian Express, The Hindu, or Hindustan Times.
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Anyone who values freedom should boycott the TOI and switch to better newspapers like the Indian Express, The Hindu, or Hindustan Times.
Couldn't agree more. Just wish people could understand that they are being served trash/filth. Personally I feel TOI is a glamour paper 'cause they carry more of that then any news. It seems that skin-show sells better. But what surprises me more is that the so called intellects are still stuck with their belief in TOI's authenticity.
(On an off beat note, DNA seems to be following TOI - in the sense that they also feel that skin-show sells.)
Rajen.
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Philip Tellis wrote:
TOI will do anything for money. If you pay them to print something, they'll print it. If you pay them to hold back a story, they'll do that too.
Very true, but their readership is maximum and I was wondering if this group could contribute jointly and release a half page ad. in the TOI on the security, stability and robust benefits of OSS over pirated ones and atleast make the first move of getting people to know that there is an os called 'Linux'. That will put pressure on the reporters to probe more and write more on it. We could provide a list of alternate OSS like Open Office, Firefox, Thunderbird etc.
If their ad. rates are too high, we can try mid-day or we could use ad. agents who team up with newspaper vendors to place posters or hand bills inside newspapers as an economical option. Although this will be limitted to Mumbai only, but still something to start with.
Regards,
Rony.
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Very true, but their readership is maximum and I was wondering if this group could contribute jointly and release a half page ad. in the TOI on the security, stability and robust benefits of OSS over pirated ones and atleast make the first move of getting people to know that there is an os called 'Linux'. That will put pressure on the reporters to probe more and write more on it. We could provide a list of alternate OSS like Open Office, Firefox, Thunderbird etc.
Regards,
Rony.
I dont think we should ever use security, stability and robustness as the reasons to shift to GNU/Linux. I feel ppl should shift cos its Free software. The other things can be achieved by other OSs but they can never be truly free. We also need to educate ppl that open source and free software r NOT synonyms.
On Saturday 06 August 2005 16:10, Nikhil Marathe wrote:
This is a very important thing which I am focusing on. Please feel free to add anything else you have noticed. Then perhaps we could send a letter to TOI or something
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TOI quality has deteriorated over the years. They have stupid, ignorant reporters running amuck. They have plethora of grammatical and spelling errors even though a simple spell checker is now available in virtually ANY software! Even kmail which I am using to write this message. So why can't TOI cope up with so many errors? Well, I guess they don't know how to use a spell checker... Forget about giving informative and eye opening articles on OSS / GNU / Linux...heh. I don't remember seeing any article on the Indian govt. giving away millions of Free software CDs (OO + FF). Somebody should fubar their website :P
Hi,
Should have been an OT?
My thoughts below:
On Saturday 06 August 2005 16:10, Nikhil Marathe wrote: This is a very important thing which I am focusing on. Please feel free to add anything else you have noticed. Then perhaps we could send a letter to TOI or something
All media are biased. Either they don't have the freedom of speech, or they are being controlled. They are not computer savvy either. I find a lot of the media sites highly disorganized and cluttered. They don't look professional at all. Examples are rediff.com, indianexpress.com.
Check this:
http://www.shakthimaan.com -> Hackers in media
SK
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Isn't the press supposed to be impartial. Lots of other newspapers provide technology news not concerning Microsoft.
It is afterall a business. ToI for India sells space, NOT news. Have a look at http://http://www.techrose.org/justsayno/
Well I have expressed my views. Please note that this is just my opinion and I am not voicing everyone.
Your views are right. Media is slaughtered everywhere. Ethical journalism is extinct.
On Saturday 06 August 2005 21:40, Nikhil Marathe wrote:
Have you ever realized how TOI seems to favour Windows a lot. I am not just talking about ignoring Linux. Anything which is not Windows gets a small box while even the slightest news about Windows gets half a page. To qoute a recent example: In the Aug. 5, 2005 issue of Times International they have half a page for Windows Vista, and Another half a page in Mumbai Mirror. They say how it has coll new graphics with transparent titlebars. Hasn't KDE and X had it from atleast 6 months ago. When there is anything about IE like tabs in IE7 they had an article, but I have never seen any article about Netscape, Opera, Mozilla or Firefox. They never tell you that if you switched from Windows to another OS you could totally escape from viruses without having temporary updates. HCL released their Rs 9990 PC having FC3 or FC4. But all they mentioned was that it had a 'Linux-based OS'. No mention about why it is good, its features and better security? Isn't the press supposed to be impartial. Lots of other newspapers provide technology news not concerning Microsoft.
I shifted to Business Standard 3 months back (a month after Mumbai Mirror was introduced). Some stats of HCL sub 10,000/- PC - half page article. (They did not name the linux distro here, probably HCL did not inform media about it and media still is unaware that there are multiple distros of linux). New Microsoft CEO - 40 word article.
Tired of the monopolistic nature of TOI (Mumbai Mirror was a useless waste of paper - there is nothing different from the main TOI), I shifted to Business standard. I dont beleive the problem is with TOI. Its just to large to "get the facts".
Amish.
On Sunday 07 August 2005 09:32, Amish Munshi wrote:
...(They did not name the linux distro here, probably HCL did not inform media about it and media still is unaware that there are multiple distros of linux).
Actually you know what? Everyone is clueless about Linux OSes :P. I remember sometime back calling up many Acer shops, enquiring about the Linux OS that they supplied with their laptop ( dont remember the model ). But nobody knew. So if the vendors themselves are clueless, we shouldn't expect the media, especially TOI, to know and publish about it.
As for the skin show. BT or for that matter, entire TOI, has become a skin show paper.... may be the editor likes kinky... ;)
regards
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
As for the skin show. BT or for that matter, entire TOI, has become a skin show paper.... may be the editor likes kinky... ;)
Atleast those who don't have mms on their mobiles can get to see them in the papers. :)
Regards,
Rony.
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Have you ever realized how TOI seems to favour Windows a lot. I am not just talking about ignoring Linux. Anything which is not Windows gets a small box while even the slightest news about Windows gets half a page. Well I have expressed my views. Please note that this is just my opinion and I am not voicing everyone.
Nikhil
I really don't see the the wisdom or compulsion in subscribing to the TOI when you have fine papers such as Indian Express or Asian Age available.
If you have followed the times closely, you will see that it's nothing but a commercial, less than adequate, non confrontational, monopolistic mediocre product.
hmmm.. did you say windows?
-abhi
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