Hi,
In my /var/log i have a file called "pacct". What is the file and what appli. is it related to ... Its file size is very huge... can I delete this file. Thx. Poonam
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--- Poonam P abcdef4444in@yahoo.co.in wrote:
Hi,
In my /var/log i have a file called "pacct". What is the file and what appli. is it related to
[snip]
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/Process-Accounting
Trevor Warren
Its file size is very huge... can I delete this file. Thx. Poonam
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Hello Luggers,
Along with Dr.Nagarjun i have been trying to figure out a way to get the young minds around us very interested in GNU/Free Software and involved with it from a very young age.
We personally had a chat yesterday....nd Dr. Nagarjun sugested i put up a mail on the LUG. And so here it is. All of this is just a preamble....of sortz. All ideas r welcome and volunteership towards setting up of this body and helping students in terms of offering them projects / Guiding them on projects based on GNU/Free software is called for.
--> Need to setup a small body who will SPEARHEAD the cause of "Offering Students projects / Guiding them on projects based on GNU/Free software".
--> Need to setup a web based system(on phpgroupware......or probably zope....which ever is more feasible) to create a method of intereaction for students so that irrespeective of the location of the studentz all over the country.........all of us can collaborate as a COMMUNITY.
--> Need for volunteers from our LUG who can manage small groups of students......depending on the skill sets they r familiar with.
--> Need to rope in COMMERCIAL companies who have the need to get software developed and r ready to work on the lines of GNU GPL. This according to me is one of the most interesting parts of the whole project......since we can make use of all the COMMERCIAL oppurtunities to get students projects......at the same time get to educate the organisation abt the benefits of Free Software.......nd have some fantastic GPL code put up on our own Sourceforge.....;)
--> Most imp of all, need to list down the projects that r atill in the pipeline and some that r pretty cewl but havent picked up yet due to whatever reasons. Like our own .....Linux Indianisation Project.
--> Calling 1 and ALL to...help out in their own way, in terms of offereing their services in setting up the Groupware site for interaction of students.
--> Setting up of a page on www.ilug-bom.org.in calling for students to take up the projects we have to offer.
--> This method of working as proposed by Dr. Nagarjun and me .......doesnt necessitate the presence of the students in Bombay. But still once in a/2 months we can have a meeting of students from all over the place to tackle all the issue.....wherein they will be guided by all the Luggers.
--> I want to take this on a national scale.........so letz start.........nd get moving. I think we have the capability to get it done. Wat perhaps may b lacking is the Time and the feeling of capilatising on the resources around us.
A humble request from me....... Lets not let this remain a PIPE dream......but get a plan of action and put our STUDENTS on the path to understanding GNU/Free Software better.
Trevor Warren
PN: All the points expressed on the issues r my personal opinon, with some inputs from Dr. Nagarjun. Don't FLame me.......if there r some drawbacks........which i am sure they will be. Lets take the courage to put up our hands and get the project goin.
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Dear Luggerz I second Trevor's proposal to set up a group to spearhead the cause of getting more of the youth involved in Free Software. Count me in.
A few general points wud be pertinent here.
n We need to target commercial companies if we are to be serious about forwarding the GNU cause.
n In my experience, there are a number of small to medium companies out there, who would be willing to give GNU software a chance, provided they have a guarantee of support. If we want to get GNU software accepted as serious pieces of software, it is upto us to make a provision for that.
n We will need to provide some assurance to these companies that the GNU software being produced is safe, and is of high quality. If the lUG will provide this assurance, then we will need to build up the image of the LUG, so that our assurance will be acceptable to their auditors/ management etc.
n I have a couple of organisations in mind who will be ready to consider GPLed projects etc. If we can get a concrete framework in place, we can go to them with a proposal.
n There are a couple of big names who are using GPLed software like Snort. These companies will jump at an offer of technical support. These companies will want to pay for technical support .(because these companies' corporate policy will dictate so) They obviously will also want some guarantees. If we can fashion a workable model, we can open up a source of funds that can be used to :
o Further the above cause.
o Get more students interested in doing this by channelling a percentage of such inflow to them. So this becomes a way to earn money on the side.
If we are serious about this, then we should meet to plan more on this..I think it's a massive project and I am game to devote time and effort to this.
- Shankar
--- Shankar Ramchandran shankar_ramchan@vsnl.net wrote:
Dear Luggerz I second Trevor's proposal to set up a group to spearhead the cause of getting more of the youth involved in Free Software. Count me in.
[snip]
u seem to hav very neatly summed up a whole lot of wat i failed to say.
--> I am gonna get this and a whole lost of TODO's down.....with a list of Projects we have in hand to start with. Also......this will requre setting up of PhpGroupware on our server for students to start interacting with.
--> I am starting off with 3 students tom.......Thinkin of putting them onto the Boot CD project.
--> Shankar.......is there nythin else u would like to share, or throw light on. I am gonna get the list done, with the numerouse inputs being given to me by all of u and mail it to the ML asap.
--> Lets then next get a list of PROJECTS that need to be done.....nd could b done.
Trevor Warren
A few general points wud be pertinent here.
n We need to target commercial companies if we are to be serious about forwarding the GNU cause.
n In my experience, there are a number of small to medium companies out there, who would be willing to give GNU software a chance, provided they have a guarantee of support. If we want to get GNU software accepted as serious pieces of software, it is upto us to make a provision for that.
n We will need to provide some assurance to these companies that the GNU software being produced is safe, and is of high quality. If the lUG will provide this assurance, then we will need to build up the image of the LUG, so that our assurance will be acceptable to their auditors/ management etc.
n I have a couple of organisations in mind who will be ready to consider GPLed projects etc. If we can get a concrete framework in place, we can go to them with a proposal.
n There are a couple of big names who are using GPLed software like Snort. These companies will jump at an offer of technical support. These companies will want to pay for technical support .(because these companies' corporate policy will dictate so) They obviously will also want some guarantees. If we can fashion a workable model, we can open up a source of funds that can be used to :
o Further the above cause.
o Get more students interested in doing this by channelling a percentage of such inflow to them. So this becomes a way to earn money on the side.
If we are serious about this, then we should meet to plan more on this..I think it's a massive project and I am game to devote time and effort to this.
- Shankar
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<snip> --> Shankar.......is there nythin else u would like to share, or throw light on. I am gonna get the list done, with the numerouse inputs being given to me by all of u and mail it to the ML asap.
</snip>
I think that we need to do this in a very systematic and professional manner, if it is to work. Apart from needing really dedicated ppl on the job, I think we are in need of the following:
a.. Clear and well defined processes, and standards that all involved members will adhere to. (this includes mentors, students, advisors, the behind-theoscenes guys , everybody) b.. A clear statement of goals, objectives, In fact this should dictate the processes and standards laid down. c.. A medium of interaction (this will be taken care of by the PHP groupware) d.. We need to decide the roles and responsibilities of the behind-the-scenes guys. For e.g. who will do image building, who will interact with students initially till this gathers steam, who will talk to commercial companies, who will co-ordinate the whole thing. e.. Definitely a list of projects (this again has already been spoken abt by trevor). However, We need deeper project definitions, everybody. While just putting down names is fine, it would be helpful if we define project goals, scope etc right now. If we put this up on the site, we will need to be specific about all projects that we offer. We also need answers to some questions.
a.. What is the kind of projects the student community wants? In terms of what is vallid as per their courses and institutions? b.. Which will be out target institutions? We need more than IIT, VJTI and NCST. I think there would be a fair amount of linux and GNU awareness in these places.( this is an assumption- I may be wrong here) We need to throw the net farther. c.. How do we approach spreading awareness of GNU in commercial organisations? I think this is the most trickiest of all. We need a <n> point action plan. I am putting some thought to this, and I will send out a mail listing some approaches. Everybody, pls send me your imputs. I will incorporate it and send it to th ML,
I think the first bunch of points need to be finalised after we meet. The questions (the 2nd bunch of points) we will need answered now. So, luggerz, let us get cracking and come up with the answers.
- Shankar
--- Shankar Ramchandran shankar_ramchan@vsnl.net wrote:
<snip> --> Shankar.......is there nythin else u would like to share, or throw light on. I am gonna get the list done, with the numerouse inputs being given to me by all of u and mail it to the ML asap.
</snip>
[snip]
hello Shankar.....since u seem to b pretty level headed......why not u call the shots here......i am willing to tale the responsibility of image building, meeting commercial companies, setting thingz up as and when required, co-ordinating the efforts of the members nd students.
I suggest.......we begin by getting this down in concrete.
So.......letz get don with the Project list nd the Agenda for our Projecr Resource Center.
I think that we need to do this in a very systematic and professional manner, if it is to work. Apart from needing really dedicated ppl on the job, I think we are in need of the following:
a.. Clear and well defined processes, and standards that all involved members will adhere to. (this includes mentors, students, advisors, the behind-theoscenes guys , everybody)
[snip] agreed.....
b.. A clear statement of goals, objectives, In fact this should dictate the processes and standards laid down.
[snip] how will this b enforced.
c.. A medium of interaction (this will be taken care of by the PHP groupware)
[snip] this 1 is finalised.....just hav to talk to the list admin abt it..................btw...whose the list admin as of now...??.
d.. We need to decide the roles and responsibilities of the behind-the-scenes guys. For e.g. who will do image building, who will interact with students initially till this gathers steam, who will talk to commercial companies, who will co-ordinate the whole thing.
[snip] me in here......that apart. There r few other like Amol, nd u nd Vishal who have decided to help out. So letz categorize the work nd define responsibilities.
e.. Definitely a list of projects (this again has already been spoken abt by trevor). However, We need deeper project definitions, everybody. While just putting down names is fine, it would be helpful if we define project goals, scope etc right now. If we put this up on the site, we will need to be specific about all projects that we offer.
[snip] agreed...........ofcourse. As of now, i just had 3 projects in mind...........why the heck rn't others comin up with the projects they have in mind...??? Cmoooooooooooon luggers........isn't this enough to wake u up from slumber.......????. We keep answering each others queries from time to time........Why the heck rn't u'll supporting this cause.........???
We also need answers to some questions.
a.. What is the kind of projects the student community wants? In terms of what is vallid as per their courses and institutions?
[snip] hmm.....vyer valid. And for that we can hav a feedback form Shankar.
b.. Which will be out target institutions? We need more than IIT, VJTI and NCST. I think there would be a fair amount of linux and GNU awareness in these places.( this is an assumption- I may be wrong here) We need to throw the net farther.
[snip] k............
c.. How do we approach spreading awareness of GNU in commercial organisations? I think this is the most trickiest of all. We need a <n> point action plan. I am putting some thought to this, and I will send out a mail listing some approaches. Everybody, pls send me your imputs. I will incorporate it and send it to th ML,
[snip] I hope the lug members wake up nd see that we r trying to get some work done for the students of tomorrow........Why don't pple come ahead willingly....??
Trevor Warren
I think the first bunch of points need to be finalised after we meet. The questions (the 2nd bunch of points) we will need answered now. So, luggerz, let us get cracking and come up with the answers.
- Shankar
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Dear Luggerz.....
This is what our agenda seems to be...each of the points have to be understood by all and frozen...Ppl, please come forward and take responsibility for a couple of these.... a. We need coverage in the technical press. I see the following magazines where I think we should feature..info about this movement, the people involved, the processes, the kind of projects. I vote each of us target a couple of magazines and speak to its editor about what we are trying to achieve with this. I will work on Network Computing and Chip magazine. A few others that the other luggerz need to take on are..Developer Magazine, Express Computing, PC Quest..maybe even Times of India..any other ideas.guyz..
b. We need to be present at some high-profile technology events..maybe as a speaker on GNU, GPL, or just about the Project Resource Center. We also ought to start talking about technology topics-and identifying ourselves as members of the ILUG Project Resource Center(ILUG-PRC)..this will put some highlight on the PRC. Can someone take the responsibility of finding out what events are coming up? Nasscom may be a good source of such information. Please guys..Do cooperate with us on this one.......
c. We need to do a survey of what is a valid project..the feedback form is a good idea, trevor. Some of us need to go to each of our target institutions and speak to the students there and the professors/teachers. Who will be part of this team..People.. please come forward.
d. Since I think at least a few students from such institutions would already be members of the ILUG, they should come forward and be the ambassadors of the ILUG in their institutions. Vishal.can u do this in NCST?.Guys.calling the rest of u once again.
e. So far we seem to have a very small PRC team.4-5 chaps only....Cmon guys we need to do better than this.
f. We need to do a survey of 30-50 companies and find out what is the kind of projects, they could use in a real IT environment. Apart from the Project list, we should be creating a target company list by the side.
g. We need a list of questions to ask these companies.does anyone want to do this?
h. We need to have the collaborative platform up..Trevor and Amol..u guys seem most capable to do this.will you take this up and see it through to the finish.
i. We need more projects to offer.and mentors for those projects as well..We are doing quite pathetically on this front..Ultimately this is the core of the PRC and we need to pull up our socks on this if we are to get anywhere.
j. Roles and Responsibilities - From what I can gather, we have eight distinct roles here.
i. Collaborative Platform Administrator
ii. Student Representatives in each institution
iii. The guys who talk to the commercial companies
iv. The guys who will co-ordinate the Image buidling process
v. MENTOR - we need to decide who will qualify as a mentor..since he will be responsible for project quality..guys any ideas..
vi. STUDENT - they make the projects..
vii. Maybe an independent QC process for the software..again we need to decide who will qualify.
viii. Other roles which I cannot foresee at the moment.
Probably initially everyone may have to do everything..till we get more people involved.
Well, thatz all I cud think of for now..pls do give us some feedback here.
-Shankar
d. Since I think at least a few students from such institutions would already be members of the ILUG, they should come forward and be the ambassadors of the ILUG in their institutions. Vishal.can u do this in NCST?.Guys.calling the rest of u once again.
Yes... i will spread the PRC idea at NCST to the best of my ability...however before that we need PRC to have some concrete form ..i mean when i speak to my friends at NCST centers ..i should be able to show some progress at PRC ..atleast a web presence to start with... In short encouraging students to join it is wot i could target at.
A suggestion: if the initial projects at PRC could be syncronised with the Modules of PGDST .. i feel we can really bank on the vast no PGDST students and NCST resources...students do PRC projects to complete there project requirement of PGDST modules at the NCST resources ( human and tecnical) This calls for support from NCST as well and i think we have some of our esteemed members who have good contacts with NCST admin. Vishal
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, vishal gupta wrote:
mean when i speak to my friends at NCST centers ..i should be able to
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ok, just FYI, the C in NCST stands for Centre, not Center. We are Indian.
<snip> A suggestion: if the initial projects at PRC could be syncronised with the Modules of PGDST .. i feel we can really bank on the vast no PGDST students and NCST resources...students do PRC projects to complete there project requirement of PGDST modules at the NCST resources ( human and tecnical) This calls for support from NCST as well and i think we have some of our esteemed members who have good contacts with NCST admin. </snip>
--> Tell us more about the PGDST modules...sounds interesting ...what needs to be done to make that happen? Also, another thing that struck me was the projects that MCA students need to do to complete their courses. We should see whether the PRC can fit in there as well.
- Shankar
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hi, I had installed disk manager of samsung to support my new 40 GB HDD as my motherboard bios dont support large capacity drives. So a DDO was installed at MBR of my OLD 8 GB HDD Now i installed Linux 7.3 and installed GRUB at MBR of my old 8GB HDD. Now when i boot up..GRUB gives me options of linux and windows both..but since the DDO is not activated( i guess it is overwritten by GRUB at MBR)...i can no longer access my HDD.
Now Diskmanager has option to install DDO at MBR again...but if i do that linux GRUB will be overwritten..wot shld i do?? i want linux and windows both with my 40 GB HDD access
Thanks Vishal
On Fri, 05 Jul 2002, vishal gupta wrote:
hi, I had installed disk manager of samsung to support my new 40 GB HDD as my motherboard bios dont support large capacity drives. So a DDO was installed at MBR of my OLD 8 GB HDD
<snip>
have you tried puting lilo/grub on somewhere other than mbr, like maybe on the boot sector of the *second* partition ? You'd of course have to set this partition as active from fdisk. I have a similar setup. This is the output of echo p | fdisk /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1027 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 192 1542208+ 6 FAT16 /dev/hda2 * 193 384 1542240 83 Linux /dev/hda3 385 576 1542240 83 Linux /dev/hda4 577 1027 3622657+ 5 Extended /dev/hda5 577 704 1028128+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda6 705 724 160618+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda7 725 876 1220908+ 83 Linux /dev/hda8 877 1027 1212876 83 Linux
hth,
Sharukh. -- Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri Homeopath and Linux Enthusiast. Mumbai, India. http://www.pavri.net/
--- vishal gupta ourpassions@vsnl.net wrote:
d. Since I think at least a few students
from such institutions
would already be members of the ILUG, they should
come forward and be the
ambassadors of the ILUG in their institutions.
Vishal.can u do this in
NCST?.Guys.calling the rest of u once again.
[snip] Yep we r here.....dunnow abt the rest tho....;)
Yes... i will spread the PRC idea at NCST to the best of my ability...however before that we need PRC to have some concrete form ..i mean when i speak to my friends at NCST centers ..i should be able to show some progress at PRC ..atleast a web presence to start with...
[snip] I am working on gettin the requsite permissions and passwords on setting up phpgroupware. Once itz done, i'll announce it on the LUG.
In short encouraging students to join it is wot i could target at.
[snip] yep...thatz wat vry1 should b aimin @.
A suggestion: if the initial projects at PRC could be syncronised with the Modules of PGDST ..
[snip] We can't promise that tho. But studentz r free to suggest their own projects and mentors r free to guide whichever projectz they feel comfortable with.
This calls for support from NCST as well and i think we have some of our esteemed members who have good contacts with NCST admin.
[snip] yeh....a lot of them...;)
Trevor Warren
Vishal
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Dear all
Does it seem like a good idea to start working on processes and guidelines so that we have some formal content when we get the website up...Although, considering that quite a lot of things are fluid at present, this will be have to be heavily modified as we go along.
However, i was thinking this might atleast get semething down in concrete so that students/ teachers/ general public can gain a good understaning of what we re doing...I am willing to start on a formal document and circulating it for comments.
Let me know if it makes sense to start this at this juncture.
- Shankar
--- Shankar Ramchandran shankar_ramchan@vsnl.net wrote:
Dear all
Does it seem like a good idea to start working on processes and guidelines so that we have some formal content when we get the website up...
[snip] u betcha.....k shankar, get working on the doc nd pass it around. Once thatz done....vry1 can start by adding to ur content nd debatin on it.
Trevor Warren
Although, considering that quite a lot of things are fluid at present, this will be have to be heavily modified as we go along.
However, i was thinking this might atleast get semething down in concrete so that students/ teachers/ general public can gain a good understaning of what we re doing...I am willing to start on a formal document and circulating it for comments.
Let me know if it makes sense to start this at this juncture.
- Shankar
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Hi shankar,
Well exactly thats the only coz when it comes to commercialisation .... companies want to hold some one responsible for any kind of malfunction in the softwares implemented...
any ways i as n individual ... or rather a group of linux professionals .. try to take this to the best when it comes to commercial support for the same...
if you have got any company who is wanting to deploy GNU softwares ...but reluctant due to the support then we can have it organised for their technical support ....
do get back to me for the same, Best Regards, -Mitul Limbani (mitul 2 mitul.com)
Shankar Ramchandran writes:
Dear Luggerz I second Trevor's proposal to set up a group to spearhead the cause of getting more of the youth involved in Free Software. Count me in.
A few general points wud be pertinent here.
n We need to target commercial companies if we are to be serious about forwarding the GNU cause.
n In my experience, there are a number of small to medium companies out there, who would be willing to give GNU software a chance, provided they have a guarantee of support. If we want to get GNU software accepted as serious pieces of software, it is upto us to make a provision for that.
n We will need to provide some assurance to these companies that the GNU software being produced is safe, and is of high quality. If the lUG will provide this assurance, then we will need to build up the image of the LUG, so that our assurance will be acceptable to their auditors/ management etc.
n I have a couple of organisations in mind who will be ready to consider GPLed projects etc. If we can get a concrete framework in place, we can go to them with a proposal.
n There are a couple of big names who are using GPLed software like Snort. These companies will jump at an offer of technical support. These companies will want to pay for technical support .(because these companies' corporate policy will dictate so) They obviously will also want some guarantees. If we can fashion a workable model, we can open up a source of funds that can be used to :
o Further the above cause.
o Get more students interested in doing this by channelling a percentage of such inflow to them. So this becomes a way to earn money on the side.
If we are serious about this, then we should meet to plan more on this..I think it's a massive project and I am game to devote time and effort to this.
- Shankar
Hello group, We were reading the mails of some enthu menz for some time, but all this gets cool down in 2 days. why? I am not discouraging but want to start a small project i have in my mind. I did a part of it in my Software Enggrn. module here. and now would like to complete it. I know there are no takers for it as the concept is very very new. It is about Network Security.(XKMS) XKMS is not yet standardised and is proposed for standardisation by great MS. I belive the linux n/w is already more secure but would like to build security for n/w applications and the data transfer between n/w appltns.
There are no takers for this but for n/w security, many organisations/university are interested.(and will be forever)
anybody interested in doing such kinda projects can contact me at following address. Or if anybody has some new ideas, they too can post them but be fast.
I am interested in doing n/w related or n/w security projects.
We rather think over these projects little C-reiasly (not java-reiasly) and have a small meeting in mumbai.(may be bandstand..)
Thanking you
bye..
ps: this mail id will expire next week. Plz mail me at malharpujar@indiatimes.com
JAI HIND
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--- MALHAR PUJAR d0153093@ncb.ernet.in wrote:
Hello group, We were reading the mails of some enthu menz for some time, but all this gets cool down in 2 days. why?
[snip] dear malhar.... itz easy to be a fence sitter and comment abt how other pple act/dont act.
Only if u take pain to find out the amount of work the pple around u do unofficially without craving for ny limelight will u understand how the Free Software movement has moved at such a pace in and around the world.
I know of n number of such renowned personalities in the various mailing lists in India who r contribting heavily towards the Free Software movement in their small way.
So dear malhar....itz time to grab ur bags nd start by helping out.
I am not discouraging but want to start a small project i have in my mind. I did a part of it in my Software Enggrn. module here. and now would like to complete it. I know there are no takers for it as the concept is very very new.
[snip] I suggest Malhar...why don't u add this project to the list of wanna get done projects in the project list. Later on when the page goes up, letz c u may get lucky. I can't promise u tho that some 1 will pick it up for sure. But atleast we'll hav a forum for all the like minded young minds to meet nd work.
It is about Network Security.(XKMS) XKMS is not yet standardised and is proposed for standardisation by great MS. I belive the linux n/w is already more secure but would like to build security for n/w applications and the data transfer between n/w appltns.
[snip] ADD this project to the Project list being pased around asap......
Trevor Warren
There are no takers for this but for n/w security, many organisations/university are interested.(and will be forever)
anybody interested in doing such kinda projects can contact me at following address. Or if anybody has some new ideas, they too can post them but be fast.
I am interested in doing n/w related or n/w security projects.
We rather think over these projects little C-reiasly (not java-reiasly) and have a small meeting in mumbai.(may be bandstand..)
Thanking you
bye..
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On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 11:06, Trevor Warren wrote:
Along with Dr.Nagarjun i have been trying to figure out a way to get the young minds around us very interested in GNU/Free Software and involved with it from a very young age.
Posting a transcript of the chat that Trevor and I had about the same topic:
trevorwarren: check it na asap sameerds: yeah sameerds: my email account hasn't received it yet! checking it on the archive webpage sameerds: it just came in ... sameerds: let me think over it and reply to the group, what say? i have a lot to say about this ... ;-) trevorwarren: k trevorwarren: pal trevorwarren: 1 appeal to make trevorwarren: letz take this 1 seriously.............. sameerds: ok ... let's put it this way ... sameerds: KReSIT has access to students as well as ample computing resources to throw at the project sameerds: but the people here are clueless about GNU, opensource, and things like that trevorwarren: so that students from all over the country can understand that GNU is abt sharing ...helping pple leard & not re-niventing the wheel trevorwarren: (17:21:05) sameerds: but the people here are clueless about GNU, opensource, and things like that...............lol trevorwarren: thatz very natural pal sameerds: so let me talk to our sysad, who is very interested in all this, and maybe you people can figure out a way to use all these resources trevorwarren: but we have made a start.........so letz pick up and continue trevorwarren: (17:21:57) sameerds: so let me talk to our sysad, who is very interested in all this, and maybe you people can figure out a way to use all these resources...........with ur help too pal. sameerds: i have learned it a hard way that setting up mailing lists, websites etc is absolutely wasted effort ... trevorwarren: lol trevorwarren: rofl trevorwarren: like to shed some light on it.......? sameerds: the misdirect the effort put in ... these things should be put up when they are needed, not at the start sameerds: shed some light? look at db.ilug-bom.org.in ... how many people contribute? sameerds: how many people have original articles on ilug-bom.org.in? sameerds: where is the debian custom distro? sameerds: what's happening at LIFE? trevorwarren: yep trevorwarren: dude........lets then learn from our mistakes nd continue trevorwarren: we hav to forge ahead right........... sameerds: a website / mailing list should come up when people develop a painful need for such a resource trevorwarren: cause...i have lotz of studets asking me for projectz sameerds: when they are too many people already contributing and there is need for co-ordination trevorwarren: (17:25:09) sameerds: a website / mailing list should come up when people develop a painful need for such a resour....................i aldready hav pple who need it......;) trevorwarren: (17:25:32) sameerds: when they are too many people already contributing and there is need for co-ordination.............iget the point pal trevorwarren: btom 2-3 studentz r comin over for projectz to Zenith sameerds: cool trevorwarren: i am gonna put them on track........nd their 1st assignment of the "Linux Boot CD project" FOr the Lug trevorwarren: then............i hav more students........whom we put on researchin for the Engineering distro CD sameerds: the indianisation projects need help too sameerds: can we get a proper list of BE project definitions from those guys trevorwarren: k..thatz why dude i am askin u to push thingz frmo ur end too.....Nag will support us. But he aint havin no time .............so letz put int he hard work. Nd only look @ him for guidance sameerds: we can hand them out to deserving students trevorwarren: (17:27:25) sameerds: can we get a proper list of BE project definitions from those guys...................k trevorwarren: (17:27:11) sameerds: the indianisation projects need help too.........u betcha sameerds: we have around 100+ BE students who have been promised projects in the indianisation effort sameerds: but currently both the HoD and the sysad have their hands full, so maybe we can offer to guide the students sameerds: our sysad was supposed to guide them, so i sent her a mail about the LUG, Indix and other things trevorwarren: (17:28:36) sameerds: we have around 100+ BE students who have been promised projects in the indianisation effort..........................wooooooooow trevorwarren: who did that.........:) sameerds: our HoD did! trevorwarren: wooooooooooooooopsy trevorwarren: (17:29:02) sameerds: but currently both the HoD and the sysad have their hands full, so maybe we can offer to guide the students........................seems to b good idea trevorwarren: (17:29:46) sameerds: our sysad was supposed to guide them, so i sent her a mail about the LUG, Indix and other things................................k sameerds: long story ... Nag, Philip and others were also present at one such meeting about Indianisation that our HoD had organised trevorwarren: k sameerds: let's do one thing, i'll post this conversation itself on the LUG ... sameerds: what say> trevorwarren: (17:31:20) sameerds: let's do one thing, i'll post this conversation itself on the LUG ... (17:33:02) sameerds: what say>..................hmm trevorwarren: as long as it doesnt ruffle ny feathers........nd cause flames.......i dont mind trevorwarren: ;) trevorwarren: wat say.....:-/ sameerds: :-) right
Dear Linuxers, Hi after a long back,
I, also, want to contribute my efforts to some of the linux projects. Before that I want to tell u few things about me.
I don't know much about the linux b'coz I'm learning the linux by myself ( just by trial & error method ) & to be very honest to you I don't know much programing languages like, php, perl, java & many other, wht u ppl know & most probably will be working in. I just know html (in which my web site is), C ( wht I learned in my college )& little of C++ ( wht I'm learning by my self ). b'coz I always being interested in doing some real life projects but never get any chance.
Even I don't know the kernel compilation. But still I want to work with u ppl (may be small part ) on some projects. B'coz I'm very much sure that, if I get a chance to work on some project, I can learn & can work with you.
P.S. I don't know wht u guys will think about me after reading this but, still I want to work on some of the projects with U. Here is a link to my resume which I think helpful to u ppl. http://www.geocities.com/s9sameer/resume.htm
Thanks & waiting for reply of u guys, SAMEER :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Messenger IDs : MSN : s2sameer Yahoo! : s9sameer RediffBol : s2sameer Indiatimes : s2sameer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One person with belief is equal to a force of 99 who only have interest.
--- Sameer Shinde s2sameer@hotmail.com wrote:
I don't know wht u guys will think about meafter reading this but, still I want to work on some of the projects with U.
[snip] hey sameer chill ..... we all r novices in 1 way or the other. As long as we r we adhere to our PRC objectives.......1 and all r invited.
Trevor Warren
Here is a link to my resume which I thinkhelpful to u ppl. http://www.geocities.com/s9sameer/resume.htm
Thanks & waiting for reply of u guys, SAMEER :)
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Hi,
A little diversion from the topic, but similar to Sameer Shinde's querry.
I am also new to linux as such. Our firm does software development for specialiased costing and commercial applications, using VB on windows platform. We want to start software development on Linux (at least for fun, if not for selling it). What are the options and how do we learn the languages ? Is there some VB like language in Linux ?
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sameer Shinde" s2sameer@hotmail.com To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Setting up a Project Resource Center for Students all over India...IMP
Dear Linuxers, Hi after a long back,
I, also, want to contribute my efforts to some of the linuxprojects. Before that I want to tell u few things about me.
I don't know much about the linux b'cozI'm learning the linux by myself ( just by trial & error method ) & to be very honest to you I don't know much programing languages like, php, perl, java & many other, wht u ppl know & most probably will be working in. I just know html (in which my web site is), C ( wht I learned in my college )& little of C++ ( wht I'm learning by my self ). b'coz I always being interested in doing some real life projects but never get any chance.
Even I don't know the kernel compilation. But still I want towork with u ppl (may be small part ) on some projects. B'coz I'm very much sure that, if I get a chance to work on some project, I can learn & can work with you.
P.S. I don't know wht u guys will think about me after reading this but, still I want to work on some of the projects with U. Here is a link to my resume which I think helpful to u ppl. http://www.geocities.com/s9sameer/resume.htm
Thanks & waiting for reply of u guys, SAMEER :)
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At 09:12 AM 7/4/02 +0530, Scrap wrote:
We want to start software development on Linux (at least for fun, if not for selling it). What are the options and how do we learn the languages ?
I think C is the de-facto standard! There is Glade which provides a VB like interface for creating buttons and what not. You could either try GTK or stick to the plain 'ol X interfaces. X is inherently slow... GTK is slower.
In case you have time '-) you could write windowing classes using SVGAlib or something. It could be very fast and I think enough for a few classes of applications.
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