Hi,
Natrajan's information regarding ILUG Chennai sent a lot of my cells racing. I agree that free support is a good thing. But then what about the people whom we support that work for commercial organizations?
Lets take a hypothetical case: Mr. A works for ABC Corp. who has investments in Linux in terms of development, support and even customers. Now Mr. A is a fresher and doesn't know GNU/Linux much... a Perl based project comes up, and then he runs helter skelter for help.
Mr. Cool is cool with GNU/Linux and yes he knows Perl! Mr. Cool helps Mr. A out with difficulties... and ABC Corp doles the project out... because Mr. A completed it on time.
Mr. A agined... ABC Corp. gained... what did Mr. Cool gain? Now I am not cool with that.
Maybe I won't go with what ILUG Chennai does... but yes maybe we can charge support requests from commerical organisations. (That will help me tolerate those irritating signatures).
Charging will also mean one more thing... people will look carefully at the list archives before winging something in.
Regards,
-ah
On 27/11/02 19:32 +0530, Amol Hatwar wrote:
Maybe I won't go with what ILUG Chennai does... but yes maybe we can charge support requests from commerical organisations. (That will help me tolerate those irritating signatures).
Charging will also mean one more thing... people will look carefully at the list archives before winging something in.
And how do you distinguish between something I want to know for myself, something I'm stuck hard with and something that Im asking for free help on. I may be good with some things, and bad with others. How do you distinguish between the two?
Devdas Bhagat
Charging will also mean one more thing... people will look carefully at the list archives before winging something in.
And how do you distinguish between something I want to know for myself, something I'm stuck hard with and something that Im asking for free help on. I may be good with some things, and bad with others. How do you distinguish between the two?
Devdas,
100% of the times i am not really that inclined to look out solutions for my problems on the net.... rather i would too lazy and fire up a querry on the LOCAL LUG and then expect ppl to reply with the code ... (THIS IS NOT FAIR AT ALL...)
So looking at this scenarios, i would totally agree with Amol, that there should be some charges for these lazeee lamers or else they wont really understand the importance of the movement.....
These are my views, and i guess is really practical, what do you say guys..
Best Regards, Mitul Limbani CTO, Enterux Solutions (http://www.enterux.com/)
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Mitul Limbani wrote:
So looking at this scenarios, i would totally agree with Amol, that there should be some charges for these lazeee lamers or else they wont really understand the importance of the movement.....
There's still the problem of how you distinguish between those who are in it for free support and those who aren't.
Philip
To: linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Commercial ILUG
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Mitul Limbani wrote:
So looking at this scenarios, i would totally agree with Amol, that there should be some charges for these lazeee lamers or else they wont really understand the importance of the movement.....
There's still the problem of how you distinguish between those who are in it for free support and those who aren't.
Philip
It seems that this topic is started bcoz of me..... but any ways.......... we are Open Source ppl & do not mind to support * anybody * without charging for anything. That's why we are here ( at least I think ) we just want to help our Linux community ppl to solve their problems Being commercial may cause us to go away from that
Thanks & Best Regards, SAMEER :)
P.S. That's the difference between GNU/Linux & MS
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:52:21 -0500 (EST) "Mitul Limbani" mitul@mitul.com wrote:
100% of the times i am not really that inclined to look out solutions for my problems on the net.... rather i would too lazy and fire up a querry on the LOCAL LUG and then expect ppl to reply with the code ... (THIS IS NOT FAIR AT ALL...)
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I seem to be amazed on the ideas percolating on the platters of the ilug-bom servers...
All those who think itz not woth helping out are free to tone down their answering capabilities on the LUG. Lets not forget we are here not only to discuss technical-non_technical issues related to gnu-linux, fsf/os but also to be a forum for assisting on other fsf/os related issues.
Pls feel free to stop helping. But trying to make it a policy isn't on the CARDS. This is and will remain a democratic forum. But we will adhere to the basic core philipsophies of the movement.
So looking at this scenarios, i would totally agree with Amol, that there should be some charges for these lazeee lamers or else they wont really understand the importance of the movement.....
[snip]
I can visualise such a situation.......
--> Commercial organisations WILL have a section on our FSF/OS site so as to list their commercial FSF/OS offerings. <--
Thats it....we WON't and WILL'NOT charge for answering anyone's emails. Those who chose not to respond for want of supplying commercial support can offer the same on the COMMERCIAL section.
These are my views, and i guess is really practical, what do you say guys..
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My dear mitul......i only hope it was. I think we can reserve a larger debate on these and other issues at our beach resort...:)
Bye for now.
Trevor
Best Regards, Mitul Limbani CTO, Enterux Solutions (http://www.enterux.com/)
On Thursday 28 November 2002 11:49 am, Trevor Warren wrote:
I seem to be amazed on the ideas percolating on the platters of the ilug-bom servers...
All those who think itz not woth helping out are free to tone down their answering capabilities on the LUG. Lets not forget we are here not only to discuss technical-non_technical issues related to gnu-linux, fsf/os but also to be a forum for assisting on other fsf/os related issues.
Pls feel free to stop helping. But trying to make it a policy isn't on the CARDS. This is and will remain a democratic forum. But we will adhere to the basic core philipsophies of the movement.
. . .
Thats it....we WON't and WILL'NOT charge for answering anyone's emails. Those who chose not to respond for want of supplying commercial support can offer the same on the COMMERCIAL section.
I fully agree with Trevor
Regards Aseem
So looking at this scenarios, i would totally agree with Amol, that there should be some charges for these lazeee lamers or else they wont really understand the importance of the movement.....
These are my views, and i guess is really practical, what do you say guys..
Dont you think then it would be better to have a site which Sabeer Bhatia was working on. I forgot its name, but probably it was called arzoo.com. This idea will fail for a mailing list like this one, but if the same us create a commercial site with providing technical support then it may succeed. The better way is to save some money from the workshops and exibitions others and use it to fund the servers and cell phones.
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 01:23:47 +0530 Devdas Bhagat dodobh@nettaxi.com wrote:
And how do you distinguish between something I want to know for myself, something I'm stuck hard with and something that Im asking for free help on.
[snip]
Elementaty watson. Thatz not what the list and LUG's are supposed to do. Sharing knowledge and gaining for onesself has been some of the fundamentals the FSF/OS movement has nurtured on.
We shouldn't indluge ourselves dear into the nitty-gritty of these issues.
I may be good with some things, and bad with others. How do you distinguish between the two?
[snip]
By throwing some crap at you and waiting for a sane-insane reply...:)). Chill, it was just meant to be a lighter moment.
Therez no way and no - reason for anyone to go about detecting anything about anyone. Cmon Devdas, we aren't aiming to be sherlock here but are here to try to be open to others ideas....and help bridge to growing gap between the technophile-geeks and the rest of the world.
Bye for now.
Trevor
Devdas Bhagat
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Trevor Warren wrote:
Therez no way and no - reason for anyone to go about detecting anything about anyone. Cmon Devdas, we aren't aiming to be sherlock here but are here to try to be open to others ideas....and help bridge
Hey Trevor man, I think you missed the earlier part of the thread. Devdas was saying exactly the same thing that you are - that we shouldn't.
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:54:05 +0530 (IST) Philip S Tellis philip@konark.ncst.ernet.in wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Trevor Warren wrote: Hey Trevor man, I think you missed the earlier part of the thread. Devdas was saying exactly the same thing that you are - that we shouldn't.
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:). Oopsy again. Seem to have lost the incentive to read the complete thread before firing any replies. Sheesh me...
Bye for now.
Trevor
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