One is doing business and promoting its product. Quite natural. You'd do the same. It doesn't matter if you think that your product confirms to morality or whatever.
Ethics MUST be exercised.
No one's ever wrong. POV.
then why are you still mailing? In fact then, why discuss anything at all?
Btw, you left a question unanswered.
which one?
i don't think two right's justify a wrong.
POV. They might and they might not. Apparently, in your point of view software freedom is more important than human lives.
i never said that. In fact i agreed with you on that one, IF you bothered reading. i just said don't praise Gates.
Nope. You ignore the POVs. See below.
If i was ignoring other's POV, i wouldn't bother replying. i'm just giving you my POV.
No one is entirely evil or entirely good. At least in my point of view. There's good in whatever small amount, everywhere. You only need the vision to spot it. I admire Hitler as well, but
certainly
not for the holocausts.
try telling that to a Jew.
Technically, the Jews have done quite a few `wrong' things in the past as well.
and your point is?
Anyway, try telling someone helped by Gate's money that his life matters
less than software freedom.
i wouldn't have a problem telling him how Gate's gets his money.
Also, try telling the xemacs developers that RMS is to be worshipped.
RMS is a man like any other, only difference being he's contributed to Free Software in many ways more than anyone else has. Does that merit respect YES, does it merit worship - NO. He's very much a mortal :-)
``From my point of view the Jedi are evil!''
``Well then you are lost!''
``Becoming unreliable, Dooku has. Joined the dark side. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now."
Pity. It was no use in the end. A simple POV quoted above shouted ``I need
him!!'' and the rest, as they say, is history.
explain?
POVs can make a difference ;)
yes they can.
P.S. We're talking philosophy now! YAAY!
It all comes down to that at the end of the day doesn't it :-) Do quote this thread when the philosophy v/s technical superiority flame war begins.
Regards,
- vihan
On Wednesday 21 Feb 2007 12:21:57 Vihan Pandey wrote:
One is doing business and promoting its product. Quite natural. You'd do the same. It doesn't matter if you think that your product confirms to morality or whatever.
Ethics MUST be exercised.
Oh duh, yeah. Unfortunately, our numbers are quite few. We'd be living in utopia otherwise.
Though, I don't believe in that objectively. It's quite subjective. Lying isn't always bad and telling the truth should be prevented if it causes harm. Same way as ``Violence CAN be used for good.''
No one's ever wrong. POV.
then why are you still mailing? In fact then, why discuss anything at all?
Oh, to voice our POVs (or PsOV as pointed out by bluesmoon) and just for the fun of it :)
Btw, you left a question unanswered.
which one?
Btw, what makes you think that same child would like to be taught GNU or Linux? Say we manage to get FOSS to be taught in the schools, what if that child would like to learn Windows instead? Would you allow him that `freedom'?
^^ That one.
i don't think two right's justify a wrong.
POV. They might and they might not. Apparently, in your point of view software freedom is more important than human lives.
i never said that. In fact i agreed with you on that one, IF you bothered reading. i just said don't praise Gates.
Why not? Not praising someone where they deserve it, is... unethical?
I'm not saying that you should praise him for all the M$ crap. Kill him when he deserves to be killed. He deserves praise for the AIDS thingie, surely.
Technically, the Jews have done quite a few `wrong' things in the past as well.
and your point is?
Nothing relevant, but the Jews got back their payment with interest.
Also, try telling the xemacs developers that RMS is to be worshipped.
RMS is a man like any other, only difference being he's contributed to Free Software in many ways more than anyone else has. Does that merit respect YES, does it merit worship - NO. He's very much a mortal :-)
Wow! Feels so good to hear such sensible comments from a GNUer. Anyway, him being mortal implies that he CAN be wrong at times.
``Becoming unreliable, Dooku has. Joined the dark side. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now."
o.0
``I'm a Jedi, like my fa..'' Hmmm. Unfortunately, my father has never been one.
Pity. It was no use in the end. A simple POV quoted above shouted ``I need him!!'' and the rest, as they say, is history.
explain?
POVs can make a difference ;)
yes they can.
Of course they can. A powerful one can change the balance of the Force itself!
P.S. We're talking philosophy now! YAAY!
It all comes down to that at the end of the day doesn't it :-) Do quote this thread when the philosophy v/s technical superiority flame war begins.
Sure, hehehe.
And whatever happened to your quoting?
Oh duh, yeah. Unfortunately, our numbers are quite few.
True. Even more reason to put up an ethical stance.
Oh, to voice our POVs (or PsOV as pointed out by bluesmoon) and just for the
fun of it :)
i'm with you 100% there :-)
Btw, what makes you think that same child would like to be taught GNU or
Linux? Say we manage to get FOSS to be taught in the schools, what if that child would like to learn Windows instead? Would you allow him that `freedom'?
i would respect the freedom of someone wanting to learn windows out of choice. However will m$ ever respect his/her freedom after that? It is our duty to warn people about this.
Why not? Not praising someone where they deserve it, is... unethical?
i guess its the deserving bit where we differ.
RMS is a man like any other, only difference being he's contributed to Free
Software in many ways more than anyone else has. Does that merit respect YES, does it merit worship - NO. He's very much a mortal :-)
Wow! Feels so good to hear such sensible comments from a GNUer. Anyway, him being mortal implies that he CAN be wrong at times.
i never i don't know of RMS being worshipped like a God by anyone. In fact RMS's has himself said in jest ``there are no God's in the Church of Emacs" :-)
``I'm a Jedi, like my fa..'' Hmmm. Unfortunately, my father has never been
one.
:-) Neither was mine, but he did introduce me to Star Wars and i was his Padawan on the same for some time :-)
Of course they can. A powerful one can change the balance of the Force
itself!
Indeed. One could even prophesie, that this thread will bring balance to the force :-)
And whatever happened to your quoting?
quoting Star Wars? i do it with those rare few who understand it - like you :-)
i do quote Star Trek as well on certain occasions, but haven't really met many who appreciate it in our city/country :-(
Regards,
- vihan
On Wednesday 21 Feb 2007 13:55:26 Vihan Pandey wrote:
Oh duh, yeah. Unfortunately, our numbers are quite few.
True. Even more reason to put up an ethical stance.
Oh, to voice our POVs (or PsOV as pointed out by bluesmoon) and just for the
fun of it :)
i'm with you 100% there :-)
Btw, what makes you think that same child would like to be taught GNU or
Linux? Say we manage to get FOSS to be taught in the schools, what if that child would like to learn Windows instead? Would you allow him that `freedom'?
i would respect the freedom of someone wanting to learn windows out of choice. However will m$ ever respect his/her freedom after that? It is our duty to warn people about this.
Why not? Not praising someone where they deserve it, is... unethical?
i guess its the deserving bit where we differ.
RMS is a man like any other, only difference being he's contributed to Free
Software in many ways more than anyone else has. Does that merit respect YES, does it merit worship - NO. He's very much a mortal :-)
Wow! Feels so good to hear such sensible comments from a GNUer. Anyway, him being mortal implies that he CAN be wrong at times.
i never i don't know of RMS being worshipped like a God by anyone. In fact RMS's has himself said in jest ``there are no God's in the Church of Emacs"
:-)
``I'm a Jedi, like my fa..'' Hmmm. Unfortunately, my father has never been
one.
:-) Neither was mine, but he did introduce me to Star Wars and i was his
Padawan on the same for some time :-)
Of course they can. A powerful one can change the balance of the Force
itself!
Indeed. One could even prophesie, that this thread will bring balance to the force :-)
Even if it doesn't, we should be scared of the admins' wrath! ;)
So let's shake hands and distribute those Etch DVDs. What say you?
And whatever happened to your quoting?
quoting Star Wars? i do it with those rare few who understand it - like you
:-)
i do quote Star Trek as well on certain occasions, but haven't really met many who appreciate it in our city/country :-(
We can cry on each others' shoulders for this one :P And I have no idea how I got introduced to Star Wars :s
Anyway, by quoting, I mean text in the emails. See above for what I mean. :)
Indeed. One could even prophesie, that this thread will bring balance to the force :-)
Even if it doesn't, we should be scared of the admins' wrath! ;)
speak you well fellow mailer :-)
So let's shake hands and distribute those Etch DVDs. What say you?
speak you wise fellow mailer :-)
By all means. i'll call you sometime today and see how i can pass on the DVD's to you.
Anyway, by quoting, I mean text in the emails. See above for what I mean. :)
You mean the : he said ``....." she said ``....." ? i kind of do a round robin between <quote>......</quote> and ``....." at times.
Regards,
- vihan
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