On Friday 01 April 2005 19:56, Rony Bill wrote:
sherlock@vsnl.com wrote:
In effect the commercial distros companies are providing expertise not just software and they are fully justified in charging what ever they please. And you can have a completely legal parasitic existence by the above methods. In fact you can provide better services and charge more (after RTFM) than them.
So then happy legal copying and installing of RH, Suse, whatever. If you ask me i would tell you to use Debian and avoid the pain trying to remove logos while simultaneously not providing word of mouth advertising and a ready-to-eat client to your competitor.
Thanks for the information. It does clarify that one cannot simply copy and install a full pack of a paid linux distro without
YOU CAN COPY A COMMERCIAL DISTRO. And as i said earlier you are one biased character who will selectively pick miniscule portions of a discussion and twist it around to your ridiculously biased opinion. I really mean every word of the above sentence. I have come across a few characters in my time but you take the cake.
stripping it off its copyrighted material, something that may be usefull for an organisation for full driver support and manual reference.
Trade marks are marks which identify certain qualities and attributes of the product in a very easy and recognisable way. It's called branding. Companies spend plenty of money to make the link between the trade mark and these qualities and attributes. If someone copies the product with these Trade marks that someone is misleading the public into believing that those qualities and attributes are still in the product. In this case (RH believes) the quality is in the service and manuals. Remove these and substitute it with an ignorant windoze certified zombie cd in hand and you have a disaster in the making.And the manual costs money to create. You are most welcome to read the manpages and make your own manual. Of course that would be hard work and to me it seems that work is a FOUR letter word to you.
usefull for an organisation for full driver support and manual reference. use legal software in my comps even though its very easy to use the pirated ones.
Oh dear me what a wonderful model citizen you are. Lets nominate you for the Padma Bhushan. Do me a favour please go pirate billy boys stuff.
What I don't like is the unnecessary hype about linux being free and the way people attack microsoft for making money.
People dont attack M$ and billy baba for making money. They are attacked for making money ILLEGALLY. And piracy. They have been convicted on both counts time and time again. UNDERSTAND?
I do admire Bill Gates for the way he set up an international empire right from a small shed. Ultimately every software company wants to make money and capture the market.
Without doubt. After all pirates of a feather flock together.
I will get the debian cds and try it out.
Please dont. I think pirated billybaba software is best for you.
rgds jtd
sherlock@vsnl.com wrote:
Trade marks are marks which identify certain qualities and attributes of the product in a very easy and recognisable way. It's called branding. Companies spend plenty of money to make the link between the trade mark and these qualities and attributes. If someone copies the product with these Trade marks that someone is misleading the public into believing that those qualities and attributes are still in the product. In this case (RH believes) the quality is in the service and manuals. Remove these and substitute it with an ignorant windoze certified zombie cd in hand and you have a disaster in the making.And the manual costs money to create. You are most welcome to read the manpages and make your own manual. Of course that would be hard work and to me it seems that work is a FOUR letter word to you.
Could you clarify two questions, plain and simple?
1. Can a multi-cd pack of a paid linux distro be cd-copied and installed into self or others' computers?
2. Are the multi-cd copies of paid distros like SuSe Pro and Mandrake 10.1 Official, available with vendors for copy and courier charges, legally stripped off their logos and copyrighted software?
Regards,
Rony.
On 02/04/05 22:29 +0530, Rony Bill wrote:
Could you clarify two questions, plain and simple?
- Can a multi-cd pack of a paid linux distro be cd-copied and installed
into self or others' computers?
This depends on the particular contract you sign with the vendor.
- Are the multi-cd copies of paid distros like SuSe Pro and Mandrake
10.1 Official, available with vendors for copy and courier charges, legally stripped off their logos and copyrighted software?
For RedHat, http://www.centos.org/ http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/
Devdas Bhagat
Devdas Bhagat wrote:
This depends on the particular contract you sign with the vendor.
Dear Devdas, by vendors I was refering to the services offered by software suppliers who only charge for copying and courier of any linux distro from their list, which includes names like Suse, Mandrake and more. If the multi-cd packs are a direct copy of the original *package* provided by the makers, then wouldn't its installation *as it is* be a violation of copyrights and thus a pirated one? If any company wants to use this *package* it would have to buy it.
For RedHat, http://www.centos.org/ http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/
Thanks for the links. I visited them and bookmarked them.
Best Wishes,
Rony.
On 03/04/05 12:26 +0530, Rony Bill wrote:
Devdas Bhagat wrote:
This depends on the particular contract you sign with the vendor.
Dear Devdas, by vendors I was refering to the services offered by software suppliers who only charge for copying and courier of any linux distro from their list, which includes names like Suse, Mandrake and more. If the multi-cd packs are a direct copy of the original *package*
This depends on the policy of the original vendor wrt the pack. If the first buyer is restrained from copying and selling the CDs as is, because they include copyrighted material/trademarks/whatever, then such redistribution is a violation of contract.
provided by the makers, then wouldn't its installation *as it is* be a violation of copyrights and thus a pirated one? If any company wants to use this *package* it would have to buy it.
In the case of distributions like Mandrake personal, Gentoo, or Fedora or ..., the copyright owner states that you can make unlimited copies of it without restriction provided that their credits and trademarks stay intact.
To illustrate, distribution of _RHEL_ by a non RH authorised vendor is illegal. However, distributing Fedora is perfectly legal.
I would check out the particular terms and conditions for that distribution.
Devdas Bhagat
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