hi,
nrc-foss @ au-kbc is planning to introduce low cost entry level certifications in languages/tools like perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql - anyone interested in contributing to formulating/running such certifications, please contact me offlist. This is a commercial offer.
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
hi,
nrc-foss @ au-kbc is planning to introduce low cost entry level certifications in languages/tools like perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql - anyone interested in contributing to formulating/running such certifications, please contact me offlist. This is a commercial offer. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --
Hi Kenneth,
I would be interested in running the certification classes in Mumbai.
What sort of training can you provide to me in perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql so that I can start the certification classes in Mumbai ?
I can offer the space for classes provided the rents for the location is payed by NRC-FOSS ( for about 15-20 sudents in a batch).
More over since this is a commercial offer, what is the remuneration that you will be providing me for conducting such classes ?
My contact numbers are +91-9987676274 (Mobile) and 022-27899972
Regards,
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian vivekcherian@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
hi,
nrc-foss @ au-kbc is planning to introduce low cost entry level certifications in languages/tools like perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql - anyone interested in contributing to formulating/running such certifications, please contact me offlist. This is a commercial offer. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --
Hi Kenneth,
I would be interested in running the certification classes in Mumbai.
What sort of training can you provide to me in perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql so that I can start the certification classes in Mumbai ?
I can offer the space for classes provided the rents for the location is payed by NRC-FOSS ( for about 15-20 sudents in a batch).
More over since this is a commercial offer, what is the remuneration that you will be providing me for conducting such classes ?
My contact numbers are +91-9987676274 (Mobile) and 022-27899972
The above was meant to be a private post. My apologies for the same to the list.
Regards,
On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 10:30:07 pm Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote:
The above was meant to be a private post. My apologies for the same to the list.
reply also went to the list ;-) please check there.
On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 10:26:44 pm Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote:
From: Vivek Varghese Cherian vivekcherian@gmail.com To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
hi,
nrc-foss @ au-kbc is planning to introduce low cost entry level certifications in languages/tools like perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql - anyone interested in contributing to formulating/running such certifications, please contact me offlist. This is a commercial offer. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --
Hi Kenneth,
I would be interested in running the certification classes in Mumbai.
we are not doing training - we will be only conducting the exam
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 10:26:44 pm Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote:
From: Vivek Varghese Cherian vivekcherian@gmail.com To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
hi,
nrc-foss @ au-kbc is planning to introduce low cost entry level certifications in languages/tools like perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql - anyone interested in contributing to formulating/running such certifications, please contact me offlist. This is a commercial offer. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ --
Hi Kenneth,
I would be interested in running the certification classes in Mumbai.
we are not doing training - we will be only conducting the exam
With due respects, how much will the NRC FOSS Certification have market value or add value to my or anyone's career ?
Why should anyone who is self taught be interested in this certification, or put in so much time and effort to acquire this certification ?
This certification at least makes some sense if it gives an opportunity to the tutors to earn a honest and ethical living (either full time or along with their jobs) out of FOSS. Thus they can learn and mentor others who are in need of assistance.
When I do a certification, I have only one objective and that is to use the certification (hands on experience and certifications are altogether different matters as we all know) as a leverage when I hunt for a job nothing more nothing less, and how much can this NRC FOSS certificate achieve this objective especially in the current market scenario ?
Regards,
On Monday 05 Oct 2009 6:09:59 pm Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote:
I would be interested in running the certification classes in Mumbai.
we are not doing training - we will be only conducting the exam
With due respects, how much will the NRC FOSS Certification have market value or add value to my or anyone's career ?
hopefully it will have immense market value and be a valuable asset in your CV
Why should anyone who is self taught be interested in this certification, or put in so much time and effort to acquire this certification ?
to improve his/her prospects
This certification at least makes some sense if it gives an opportunity to the tutors to earn a honest and ethical living (either full time or along with their jobs) out of FOSS. Thus they can learn and mentor others who are in need of assistance.
obviously if the certification is in demand, trainers for it will also be in demand. We will certainly help train trainers. But since we are the certifying authority it would be unethical for us to involve ourselves in training
When I do a certification, I have only one objective and that is to use the certification (hands on experience and certifications are altogether different matters as we all know) as a leverage when I hunt for a job nothing more nothing less, and how much can this NRC FOSS certificate achieve this objective especially in the current market scenario ?
our certification aims at testing hands-on experience and will certify such experience. No one with mere theoretical knowledge will pass.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:
On Monday 05 Oct 2009 6:09:59 pm Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote:
I would be interested in running the certification classes in Mumbai.
we are not doing training - we will be only conducting the exam
With due respects, how much will the NRC FOSS Certification have market value or add value to my or anyone's career ?
hopefully it will have immense market value and be a valuable asset in your CV
Why should anyone who is self taught be interested in this certification, or put in so much time and effort to acquire this certification ?
to improve his/her prospects
This certification at least makes some sense if it gives an opportunity to the tutors to earn a honest and ethical living (either full time or along with their jobs) out of FOSS. Thus they can learn and mentor others who are in need of assistance.
obviously if the certification is in demand, trainers for it will also be in demand. We will certainly help train trainers. But since we are the certifying authority it would be unethical for us to involve ourselves in training.
One popular North American Linux Vendor (of which CentOS is a community edition) whose certifications are sort of an accepted standard in the Industry does have authorized training partners all over the world. I know of 2 places in Mumbai that trains and are authorized exam centers for this Linux vendor _at_ the _same_time, one is Vibrant in Andheri and other is Ultramax at Dadar.
So do you mean to say having training partners is an unethical thing and that this particular popular North American vendor is doing something unethical conducting certification tests and having training partners 'coach' the potential certification candidates at the same time ?
I even know that this North American Linux Vendor _did_conduct_training_ programs_for_partners' in Kovalam in Kerala a while back.
Regards,
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 9:57:53 am Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote:
obviously if the certification is in demand, trainers for it will also be in demand. We will certainly help train trainers. But since we are the certifying authority it would be unethical for us to involve ourselves in training.
One popular North American Linux Vendor (of which CentOS is a community edition) whose certifications are sort of an accepted standard in the Industry does have authorized training partners all over the world. I know of 2 places in Mumbai that trains and are authorized exam centers for this Linux vendor at the _same_time, one is Vibrant in Andheri and other is Ultramax at Dadar.
I assume you are talking about RedHat?
So do you mean to say having training partners is an unethical thing and that this particular popular North American vendor is doing something unethical conducting certification tests and having training partners 'coach' the potential certification candidates at the same time ?
no I am sure that Redhat has a complete separation of it's training and exam conducting departments on one hand and the certifying department on the the other hand. They are well aware of the ethical considerations and probably go to great lengths to be correct in this department.
I even know that this North American Linux Vendor _did_conduct_training_ programs_for_partners' in Kovalam in Kerala a while back.
so what is your point?
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 9:57:53 am Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote:
obviously if the certification is in demand, trainers for it will also be in demand. We will certainly help train trainers. But since we are the certifying authority it would be unethical for us to involve ourselves in training.
One popular North American Linux Vendor (of which CentOS is a community edition) whose certifications are sort of an accepted standard in the Industry does have authorized training partners all over the world. I know of 2 places in Mumbai that trains and are authorized exam centers for this Linux vendor at the _same_time, one is Vibrant in Andheri and other is Ultramax at Dadar.
I assume you are talking about RedHat?
So do you mean to say having training partners is an unethical thing and that this particular popular North American vendor is doing something unethical conducting certification tests and having training partners 'coach' the potential certification candidates at the same time ?
Vivek, each organisation needs to decide what their ethics and standards are going to be. RH is doing certification only because they need to show to the industry there is certain number of RHCEs. Else people will not buy their product. Their quality of certification in India has dropped to pathetic levels (do not know if that has happened in USA). I have seen it in interviews i have taken.
Other certifications like LPI which is not linked to a product has gained prominence due to the same reason as what NRC FOSS is standing for.
In any case, it is a decision and a stand that the organistation feels confortable with. I do not think anyone can question them. If you do not like their stand and approach, you can always refuse to recorgnise their certificates for employment purpose. You have full freedom in that.
no I am sure that Redhat has a complete separation of it's training and exam conducting departments on one hand and the certifying department on the the other hand. They are well aware of the ethical considerations and probably go to great lengths to be correct in this department.
I even know that this North American Linux Vendor _did_conduct_training_ programs_for_partners' in Kovalam in Kerala a while back.
so what is your point?
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