Hello linuxers,
Some interesting stuff i noticed in the windows update agreement license while updating my XP box.
* you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsofts prior written approval.
Best regards, Prakash mailto:pshetty@gmx.net
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Prakash Shetty wrote:
Some interesting stuff i noticed in the windows update agreement license while updating my XP box.
- you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsofts prior written approval.
This is pretty old news. Has been around for several years in MS SQL and Oracle licences too.
Philip
Hello Philip,
Wednesday, November 13, 2002, 7:27:02 PM, you wrote:
PST> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Prakash Shetty wrote:
Some interesting stuff i noticed in the windows update agreement license while updating my XP box.
- you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsofts prior written approval.
PST> This is pretty old news. Has been around for several years in MS SQL PST> and Oracle licences too.
PST> Philip
Huh .. .NET Framework ... whats that got to do with MS SQL or Oracle ?
or did u mean to say the benchmarking thing ?
Best regards, Prakash Shetty mailto:pshetty@gmx.net
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Prakash Shetty wrote:
Huh .. .NET Framework ... whats that got to do with MS SQL or Oracle ?
or did u mean to say the benchmarking thing ?
ya, the benchmarking thing. If you think about it, it makes sense. Oracle would build a machine optimised for their database, and then compare against MS SQL on the same configuration.
obviously MS didn't like this. They did the same, with a machine optimised for MS SQL. Oracle didn't like this. Hence, both added those clauses.
This is an industry-wide practice. That is why there have to be special industry accepted benchmark companies. Because the EULAs of software from almost all companies do not allow benchmark or speed testing, no company can do a test and officially disclose the result. If they do, the will then be open to prosecution and penalties.
This also makes it easy for companies to manipulate and influence test results. They only have to make sure it performs perfectly in a specific parameter which the benchmark company will use. There have been complaints by AMD and *** (fogot the name of the company make the cruzeo chip) that the benchmark companies have been bullied and coersed into making the tests in such a way that intel will have better results than what it should get.
Regads Saswata ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prakash Shetty" pshetty@gmx.net To: "Philip S Tellis" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:57 PM Subject: Re[2]: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] MS Eula prohibits .NET Benchmark Disclosures
Hello Philip,
Wednesday, November 13, 2002, 7:27:02 PM, you wrote:
PST> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Prakash Shetty wrote:
Some interesting stuff i noticed in the windows update agreement license while updating my XP box.
- you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsofts prior written approval.
PST> This is pretty old news. Has been around for several years in MS SQL PST> and Oracle licences too.
PST> Philip
Huh .. .NET Framework ... whats that got to do with MS SQL or Oracle ?
or did u mean to say the benchmarking thing ?
Best regards, Prakash Shetty mailto:pshetty@gmx.net
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:26:42 +0530 Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
been complaints by AMD and *** (fogot the name of the company make the cruzeo chip) that the benchmark companies have been bullied and
Perhaps you meant "Crusoe" chip by Transmeta?
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
by AMD and *** (fogot the name of the company make the cruzeo chip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Transmeta. Crusoe chip.
Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
This is an industry-wide practice. That is why there have to be special industry accepted benchmark companies.
I couldn't agree more. But there are standard benchmarks for certain products. eg Specweb Winstone etc.
This also makes it easy for companies to manipulate and influence test results. They only have to make sure it performs perfectly in a specific parameter which the benchmark company will use. There have been complaints by AMD and *** (fogot the name of the company make the cruzeo chip)
The name of the company is TransMeta and the name of the chip is crusoe. Named after Robinson Crusoe. BTW Linus Torvalds also works there.
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Vinayak Hegde wrote:
I couldn't agree more. But there are standard benchmarks for certain products. eg Specweb Winstone etc.
which you can use, but the results of which you cannot publish. See, the restriction is on publishing the results, not on doing the tests.
Philip
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