I have run the latest KDE / GNOME and they are no where near the responsiveness, intuitiveness, userfriendliness that XP's (or M$) GUI offer.
Must we always draw comparisons with XP? True XP is the most commonly used desktop OS, but then someone who has not used XP at all (or atleast for quite some time) might think otherwise. I for myself find the absence of virtual desktops in XP very irritating!
I dont see any userfriendliness being built into GNOME. As a concrete example, I still cannot right click any file and associate it with an app. This has been a standard in M$ GUI for like ever and even KDE guys added it a long time ago.
Yeah this is true. While using FC2, I could not find an easy way to edit the file-type and application associations. But the right-clicking functionality is now present in GNOME 2.14.
it still lacks a good "control panel" (infact AFAIK it doesnt have one). KDE is far far ahead of GNOME in this case.
Thats again true. Not only that, I can not really differentiate between the logic behind placing an option in the preferences or administration sub-menu in the 'System' menu in GNOME. They look very similar to me. Any idea?
By the way I know one Microsoft employee who claimed that Redhat is a very bad open-source company, while giving examples about the economic failures of FOSS based firms. He did not elaborate on Redhat though, although he gave the example of Mandrake going bankrupt. Wonder how good a proprietary software company M$ is?
Regards, Debarshi
On Thursday 18 May 2006 17:01, you wrote:
Must we always draw comparisons with XP? True XP is the most commonly used desktop OS, but then someone who has not used XP at all (or atleast for quite some time) might think otherwise. I for myself find the absence of virtual desktops in XP very irritating!
Umm....I dont use XP. I use Linux 24x7. It is only at the college that I am *forced* into using XP. But as I said, its very simple to use - even for first timers. And the comparisons are drawn only so that we may be reminded once in a while that imitating something thats good isnt all that bad. Besides, didn't M$ imitate the Mac UI in the first place? :P
And I find the absence of a full blown CLI in XP crippling :(
Yeah this is true. While using FC2, I could not find an easy way to edit the file-type and application associations. But the right-clicking functionality is now present in GNOME 2.14.
I use FC5. Dunno what version of GNOME it uses but I certainly couldn't find it in the right click menu or any of the preferences. I was told ( on IRC ) that I'll have to edit some files in my home directory to make that association. Sucks!
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:11:42AM +0000, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
Umm....I dont use XP. I use Linux 24x7. It is only at the college that I am *forced* into using XP.
I have to use XP for my scanner, camera software and nokia pc suite.
And I find the absence of a full blown CLI in XP crippling :(
Some days back I was backing up some data in windows and to complete a file name I kept hitting the tab key only to realise I was in dos not linux. :)
I use FC5. Dunno what version of GNOME it uses but I certainly couldn't find it in the right click menu or any of the preferences. I was told ( on IRC ) that I'll have to edit some files in my home directory to make that association. Sucks!
I am surprised at FC5's software updater. It has no provision for updating from the dvd/cd inspite of the fact that it is full of packages and there is no need to download from the net. I had to do some modifications in the yum repo directory and create a dvd repo file. This is something that should have come by default. It would have never happened in windows.
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On Friday 19 May 2006 11:35, Rony wrote:
modifications in the yum repo directory and create a dvd repo file. This is something that should have come by default. It would have never happened in windows.
I know. But you can't blame them. They have 10Mbit pipes :( And they know that by the time you download & install FC5, there are gonna be updates for virtually every package on the disks so there is no point in using the disks!
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Blame our ISPs! I wanna a 10Mbit pipe ( no download caps, no port caps, no time caps & 1:1 contention ratio! ) at only Rs.100/- a month!!!
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on a more serious note, yes, they should've included that by default.
Must we always draw comparisons with XP? True XP is the most commonly used desktop OS, but then someone who has not used XP at all (or atleast for quite some time) might think
Another reason for XP to be very popular is because its FREE!! (Pirated version). The XP will vanish from 50% of desktop, if it has hardware security lock. And I am sure MSFT can lock their OS with hardware lock. They are not doing and allowing some piracy to popularise the their product. Just my 2 cent thought...
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I use KDE and have found that it rivals the xp gui. Maybe those who are complaining don't use the latest version or don't want to accept change
As for GNOME, its a 'uer-friendly-and-make-it-as-dumb-as-possible' piece of junk if you cannot do something as simple as a file association. Another one of their make it so simple schemes. Check the uncyclopedia entry on gnome to see what i mean
Nikhil
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 11:24:07AM +0530, Nikhil Marathe wrote:
I use KDE and have found that it rivals the xp gui.
As for GNOME, its a 'uer-friendly-and-make-it-as-dumb-as-possible' piece of junk if you cannot do something as simple as a file association.
I find gnome to be simple but reliable. Kde is more gui friendly with many utilities but sometimes even the main utilities have bugs that render them useless. For example in Ubuntu 5.10 kde's Control Center has a very serious bug that does not authenticate the user under sudo. So the user cannot make any changes in the system as sudo admin. I had to download gnome from the net in order to make system changes in Kubuntu. At another place too I faced the same problem and I updated 'kcontrol' but still the same problem. there was no time or inclination to download gnome so I simply searched for the config file and edited it in vi.
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On Friday 19 May 2006 05:54, Nikhil Marathe wrote:
As for GNOME, its a 'uer-friendly-and-make-it-as-dumb-as-possible' piece of junk if you cannot do something as simple as a file association. Another one of their make it so simple schemes. Check the uncyclopedia entry on gnome to see what i mean
link? And could you please clarify what you're saying. And yes, I have used the latest KDE and I dont find it "rivaling" XP's UI anytime soon.
On Friday 19 May 2006 04:54, Mukund Deshmukh wrote:
Another reason for XP to be very popular is because its FREE!! (Pirated version). The XP will vanish from 50% of desktop, if it has hardware security lock. And I am sure MSFT can lock their OS with hardware lock. They are not doing and allowing some piracy to popularise the their product. Just my 2 cent thought...
Well, all that might change. The latest windows updates are going to install a utility to check whether you have a genuine copy. If not, then theres gonna be nag screen making your life hell! :P
Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Friday 19 May 2006 04:54, Mukund Deshmukh wrote:
Another reason for XP to be very popular is because its FREE!! (Pirated version). The XP will vanish from 50% of desktop, if it has hardware security lock. And I am sure MSFT can lock their OS with hardware lock. They are not doing and allowing some piracy to popularise the their product. Just my 2 cent thought...
As long as you have an if... then statement in your code that checks for this Hardware lock, one can get it pattern matched and removed. So many cracks, patches on the Internet work this way. The only thing that has a good potential to put a stop to piracy is DRM.
Well, all that might change. The latest windows updates are going to install a utility to check whether you have a genuine copy. If not, then theres gonna be nag screen making your life hell! :P
Sure. I know people who conned this utility :). The truth is MS Windows affords very little security... even when it comes to protecting its own a$$. Their strategies of "planned obsolence" will never cut it in a long run. With pop-ups and so called wizards abound, their software is past user-friendly. It is now idiot-friendly.
Consider this analogy, most people who start using computers use Windows XP users. It is like a child learning to walk. A child needs to be handholded initially. But most importantly, a child needs to feel and be secure... you certainly don't want him crossing a highway on his own. Still, millions of people connect to the Internet using Windows XP and wonder how their computers got infected and put the blame on crackers (hackers in their lingo).
OK. Sell software as long as it is legal, but at least sell good software? This article by John C Dvorak is a case in point: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1601482,00.asp
Warm regards,
ah
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 11:58:50AM +0000, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Friday 19 May 2006 04:54, Mukund Deshmukh wrote:
Another reason for XP to be very popular is because its FREE!! (Pirated version). The XP will vanish from 50% of desktop, if it has hardware security lock. And I am sure MSFT can lock their OS with hardware lock. They are not doing and allowing some piracy to popularise the their product. Just my 2 cent thought...
Well, all that might change. The latest windows updates are going to install a utility to check whether you have a genuine copy. If not, then theres gonna be nag screen making your life hell! :P
If M$ becomes too strict about genuine software, people will shift to OSS. And whatever M$ uses to secure its os gets reverse engineered and new 'free' versions hit the stands. Stopping piracy will help FOSS in a big way but the onus should be on the users not the vendors. Its the users who refuse to buy software.
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