Just in case anyone is interested. I am only forwarding this to the list.
Sharukh.
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From: Shridhar Daithankar shridhar_daithankar@persistent.co.in Subject: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available To: linux-india-help@lists.sourceforge.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Reply-To: linux-india-help@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:02:05 +0530
Hi all,
I am glad to announce the availability of Slackware9.0 and application CD, on behalf of PLUG(Pune Linux Users Group).
This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn in favour of "PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune. You need to add the amount of shipping to the DD as well. We will be shipping the CDs by speed-post.
The address is,
PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP C/o Shridhar Daithankar, "Vidyashree", Plot. No. 117, Sec. No. 27, Pradhikaran, Nigdi, Pune-411044
Please note that we are not using official PLUG address as it is registered, due to some problems.
The shipping charges are (as we obtained from Post.)
Upto 200 KMs: 25/- Between 200-1000KMs: 30/- Between 1000-2000KMs: 50/-
Please verify and calculate yourself, based on your location.
We would like you to send us a signed form of PLUG membership, available from http://plug.org.in/membership-form.pdf
This is to protect you from trademark issues as LUGs and individuals are allowed to use trademarks of linux companies like RedHat, by license agreements these companies operate under.
We would be shipping CDs once or twice a week. So one should expect the delivery of the CDs within a week and half.
If you are on a LUG mailing list, please forward this, so that the others will benefit as well.
For any queries, please contact me offlist.
Bye Shridhar
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This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn in favour of "PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Someone give me one good reason why ILUG-BOM musn't peddle CDs? Man we give support and (flames) for free here!
Regards,
ah
1. its too messy.......there are cheap cds available from commercial vendors 2. who will do it ? 3. how will you keep track of expenses and revenue (sales) 4. you will need to keep accounts, so that no one can question you later about the money 5. you need to think of matters like income tax, sales tax, etc. 6. you need to be a registered organisation, else you can face a lot of problem
Just a few of the things I can think off the head.
And ofcourse, finally, how much money does the organisation make and whether the efforts justify the amount of profit
Regards Saswata
----- Original Message ----- From: "Amol Hatwar" rollacosta@phreaker.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn in
favour of
"PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Someone give me one good reason why ILUG-BOM musn't peddle CDs? Man we give support and (flames) for free here!
Regards,
ah
On Thursday 12 June 2003 23:53, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
- its too messy.......there are cheap cds available from commercial
vendors
messy ?? I am in the process of burning 50 cds ... I am not feeling messy yet ;)
- who will do it ?
My above statement explains that !
- how will you keep track of expenses and revenue (sales)
just mail me the details of the revenues and expenses as and when they occur... I'll put it up on the GLUG site ... this way the whole process remains transparent and all other GLUGs can go green with envy looking at our balance sheet.
- you will need to keep accounts, so that no one can question you later
about the money
My above statement explains that !
- you need to think of matters like income tax, sales tax, etc.
hmmm ... income tax? sales tax? ... since the PLUG has already started doing it ... we dont need to rake our brains over it. They will burn the midnight oil and find the solutions for us. No need to reinvent the wheel. We can learn from the PLUG.
- you need to be a registered organisation, else you can face a lot of
problem
My above statement explains that !
Just a few of the things I can think off the head.
Wow !!
And ofcourse, finally, how much money does the organisation make and whether the efforts justify the amount of profit
Dont think just about CDs .... think about donations ... think about endorsements ... think about banner ads on the GLUG site ... think about .... think about ... think about ... sorry I ran out of ideas :P
Cheers!! Kapil Karekar http://www.libretech.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Amol Hatwar" rollacosta@phreaker.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn in
favour of
"PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Someone give me one good reason why ILUG-BOM musn't peddle CDs? Man we give support and (flames) for free here!
Regards,
ah
Sorry for the top posting, am in a hurry. I dont keep much confidence in these promises because:
1. the mailman list admin still didnot change the meeting header that goes with all the posts.
2. last time when money was collected, no onein the glub asked me how much did I spend
3. the minutes of the last meet are still not posted.
4. if we cant maintain a simple website, forget about balance sheets and envying glugs.
Sorry for being pessimistic!
But I do have lot of optimism, some one will comeforward and spend donate their time.
Nagarjuna
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:25:04AM +0530, Kapil Karekar wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
On Thursday 12 June 2003 23:53, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
- its too messy.......there are cheap cds available from commercial
vendors
messy ?? I am in the process of burning 50 cds ... I am not feeling messy yet ;)
- who will do it ?
My above statement explains that !
- how will you keep track of expenses and revenue (sales)
just mail me the details of the revenues and expenses as and when they occur... I'll put it up on the GLUG site ... this way the whole process remains transparent and all other GLUGs can go green with envy looking at our balance sheet.
- you will need to keep accounts, so that no one can question you later
about the money
My above statement explains that !
- you need to think of matters like income tax, sales tax, etc.
hmmm ... income tax? sales tax? ... since the PLUG has already started doing it ... we dont need to rake our brains over it. They will burn the midnight oil and find the solutions for us. No need to reinvent the wheel. We can learn from the PLUG.
- you need to be a registered organisation, else you can face a lot of
problem
My above statement explains that !
Just a few of the things I can think off the head.
Wow !!
And ofcourse, finally, how much money does the organisation make and whether the efforts justify the amount of profit
Dont think just about CDs .... think about donations ... think about endorsements ... think about banner ads on the GLUG site ... think about .... think about ... think about ... sorry I ran out of ideas :P
Cheers!! Kapil Karekar http://www.libretech.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Amol Hatwar" rollacosta@phreaker.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn in
favour of
"PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Someone give me one good reason why ILUG-BOM musn't peddle CDs? Man we give support and (flames) for free here!
Regards,
ah
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nagarjuna G." nagarjun@gnu.org.in To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
Sorry for the top posting, am in a hurry. I dont keep much confidence in these promises because:
- the mailman list admin still didnot
change the meeting header that goes with all the posts.
- last time when money was collected, no onein the glub asked me how
much did I spend
I guess every one trusts you implicitely ;-)
the minutes of the last meet are still not posted.
if we cant maintain a simple website, forget about balance sheets
and envying glugs.
Sorry for being pessimistic!
But I do have lot of optimism, some one will comeforward and spend donate their time.
If this is to be done seriouisly, being an accountant, the least I can do is to help by maintaining accounts. Let the organisation be registered and a bank account opened, I can maintain it and maintain accounts for GLUG. Of course, the accounts will need to be kept transparent and open to scrutiny by all members of GLUG.
But I still reteriate what I said earlier, lets do it only if it is seriously contemplated and the purpose and objectives clearly known. Lets not do it simply because it is being done by PLUG
Nagarjuna
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:25:04AM +0530, Kapil Karekar wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
On Thursday 12 June 2003 23:53, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
- its too messy.......there are cheap cds available from commercial
vendors
messy ?? I am in the process of burning 50 cds ... I am not feeling
messy yet
;)
- who will do it ?
My above statement explains that !
- how will you keep track of expenses and revenue (sales)
just mail me the details of the revenues and expenses as and when they occur... I'll put it up on the GLUG site ... this way the whole process remains transparent and all other GLUGs can go green with envy looking
at our
balance sheet.
- you will need to keep accounts, so that no one can question you
later
about the money
My above statement explains that !
- you need to think of matters like income tax, sales tax, etc.
hmmm ... income tax? sales tax? ... since the PLUG has already started
doing
it ... we dont need to rake our brains over it. They will burn the
midnight
oil and find the solutions for us. No need to reinvent the wheel. We can learn from the PLUG.
- you need to be a registered organisation, else you can face a lot
of
problem
My above statement explains that !
Just a few of the things I can think off the head.
Wow !!
And ofcourse, finally, how much money does the organisation make and whether the efforts justify the amount of profit
Dont think just about CDs .... think about donations ... think about endorsements ... think about banner ads on the GLUG site ... think about
....
think about ... think about ... sorry I ran out of ideas :P
Cheers!! Kapil Karekar http://www.libretech.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Amol Hatwar" rollacosta@phreaker.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India"
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn
in
favour of
"PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Someone give me one good reason why ILUG-BOM musn't peddle CDs? Man
we
give support and (flames) for free here!
Regards,
ah
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
But I still reteriate what I said earlier, lets do it only if it is seriously contemplated and the purpose and objectives clearly known. Lets not do it simply because it is being done by PLUG
Registering the lug as a society has come up several times before. The needs for this are quite clear. We cannot do anything that deals with money until we are a registered society with a bank account.
The lug in the past has conducted several workshops and seminars for commercial organsiations. This could have been a great means for developing some means of income for the group which would have gone towards expenses incurred, eg. domain registration, refreshments during meetings, purchase of blank CDs, conveyance for members who go out and conduct these seminars. The remaining money could be used to fund projects at the FSF.
The only problem in our path so far has been the unavailability of suitable persons to see this registration through. I am not aware of the processes involved or the time line that we would be speaking of, so cannot comment further, but anyone else who knows about this should probably outline it on this list and then maybe we can find people to volunteer for the various tasks involved.
Philip
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 03:08:32PM +0530, Philip S Tellis wrote:
The only problem in our path so far has been the unavailability of suitable persons to see this registration through. I am not aware of the processes involved or the time line that we would be speaking of, so cannot comment further, but anyone else who knows about this should probably outline it on this list and then maybe we can find people to volunteer for the various tasks involved.
Its great to know that Saswata has agreed to take care of accounts if everything else is taken care of. Someone mentioned talking to the Pune-Lug guys about the registration process. That can save us a lot of effort and time.
Sameer.
On Saturday 14 June 2003 15:08, Philip S Tellis wrote:
Registering the lug as a society has come up several times before.
Lot of back ground work was done by Punit, Parag Mehta, Prakash Advani, Nagarjuna, myself and others.
The only problem in our path so far has been the unavailability of suitable persons to see this registration through. I am not aware the processes involved or the time line that we would be speaking
of, so
cannot comment further, but anyone else who knows about this should probably outline it on this list and then maybe we can find people
to
volunteer for the various tasks involved.
Background: (please note that luggers have refrained from putting individual names to this affair. However i feel that we have to bury this and carry forward so I am putting names and figures (that were given to me)).
I had volunteered two yrs ago. The registration process costs btwn Rs.7k to 10k. Prakash Advani had a contact who said he would do it in Rs.5k. So Prakash took the papers (memorandum and articles of association, preliminary office bearers's names and addresses, location of the body etc.). Nothing happened. The (main) problem was money owed to LUG was never given to LUG. The money was generated by Dr. Nagarjuna, Philip Tellis and other LUG members conducting a GNU/Linux Seminar for TISL, and TISL donated Rs.30,000. The money was in the custody of Prakash Shetty, who AFAIK never handed over the money or any account of it's use. When the registration process was going on we had met at TIFR and I had specifically queried Prakash Shetty about the money. He told me that he would hand it over to Parag Mehta. I checked with Parag several times subsequently. The money never came.
Other potential problems are 1 Permanent address 2 Office bearers 3 Elections 4 Accounts 5 Audits 6 Statutory records 7 Drafting memorandum and articles of association
Problems 5 & 6 are the worst. Statutory requirements will make office bearers liable to legal proceedings if the statuatory requirements are not met. Audits and reviews happen three yrs later - long after the previous office bearers have departed. So any oversight in the past will have repurcussions on current office bearers.
Registering a NPA is relatively easy. Running and maintaining it is the hard part it requires REAL time and effort. It is not a part time hobby and can have you visiting the court.
So if luggers are still for it lets contribute REAL money. Saswata will have custody (having volunteered for accounting). I will take up the registration. I will also put my money where my mouth is and contribute Rs.1000/- for this. We will need an address for the permanent office (note: court summons can be an ugly decoration on your door), and a couple of volunteers for tasks like typing and printing the MOU, being the Seceretary, Chairperson, treasurer, attending court, etc.
Any takers?
rgds jtdsouza@softhome.net
Instead of a society. Is there any type of organization under which doing social work using IT comes in. Maybe we can go for that. The statutory requirements might be easier for that. I personally think we have enough people on this list who can and would donate to the LUG and we can hire professional to mind the statutory requirements.
Regards Aditya ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. T. D'souza" jtdsouza@SoftHome.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Registering the LUG
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
On Saturday 14 June 2003 15:08, Philip S Tellis wrote:
Registering the lug as a society has come up several times before.
Lot of back ground work was done by Punit, Parag Mehta, Prakash Advani, Nagarjuna, myself and others.
The only problem in our path so far has been the unavailability of suitable persons to see this registration through. I am not aware the processes involved or the time line that we would be speaking
of, so
cannot comment further, but anyone else who knows about this should probably outline it on this list and then maybe we can find people
to
volunteer for the various tasks involved.
Background: (please note that luggers have refrained from putting individual names to this affair. However i feel that we have to bury this and carry forward so I am putting names and figures (that were given to me)).
I had volunteered two yrs ago. The registration process costs btwn Rs.7k to 10k. Prakash Advani had a contact who said he would do it in Rs.5k. So Prakash took the papers (memorandum and articles of association, preliminary office bearers's names and addresses, location of the body etc.). Nothing happened. The (main) problem was money owed to LUG was never given to LUG. The money was generated by Dr. Nagarjuna, Philip Tellis and other LUG members conducting a GNU/Linux Seminar for TISL, and TISL donated Rs.30,000. The money was in the custody of Prakash Shetty, who AFAIK never handed over the money or any account of it's use. When the registration process was going on we had met at TIFR and I had specifically queried Prakash Shetty about the money. He told me that he would hand it over to Parag Mehta. I checked with Parag several times subsequently. The money never came.
Other potential problems are 1 Permanent address 2 Office bearers 3 Elections 4 Accounts 5 Audits 6 Statutory records 7 Drafting memorandum and articles of association
Problems 5 & 6 are the worst. Statutory requirements will make office bearers liable to legal proceedings if the statuatory requirements are not met. Audits and reviews happen three yrs later - long after the previous office bearers have departed. So any oversight in the past will have repurcussions on current office bearers.
Registering a NPA is relatively easy. Running and maintaining it is the hard part it requires REAL time and effort. It is not a part time hobby and can have you visiting the court.
So if luggers are still for it lets contribute REAL money. Saswata will have custody (having volunteered for accounting). I will take up the registration. I will also put my money where my mouth is and contribute Rs.1000/- for this. We will need an address for the permanent office (note: court summons can be an ugly decoration on your door), and a couple of volunteers for tasks like typing and printing the MOU, being the Seceretary, Chairperson, treasurer, attending court, etc.
Any takers?
rgds jtdsouza@softhome.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "J. T. D'souza" jtdsouza@SoftHome.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Registering the LUG
Other potential problems are 1 Permanent address 2 Office bearers 3 Elections 4 Accounts 5 Audits 6 Statutory records 7 Drafting memorandum and articles of association
Problems 5 & 6 are the worst. Statutory requirements will make office bearers liable to legal proceedings if the statuatory requirements are not met. Audits and reviews happen three yrs later - long after the previous office bearers have departed. So any oversight in the past will have repurcussions on current office bearers.
Registering a NPA is relatively easy. Running and maintaining it is the hard part it requires REAL time and effort. It is not a part time hobby and can have you visiting the court.
There are a lot of formalities that have to be fulfullied when running a NPA. Each of these costs money. For example, it would be necessary to have an audit of the accounts and file income tax papers. Even getting an ordinary CA to do this will cost between 5-7K per year......This cost has to be provided for and paid irrespective of what else happens.
There must be a lot of papers to be filed each year, conducting of AGM, etc. Each document filed normally carries a filing fees.
So if luggers are still for it lets contribute REAL money. Saswata will have custody (having volunteered for accounting).
I hope you mean that the money will be in a bank account and Saswata will know how much is there and how the money has been spent :-) I will, actually, have the custody of the cheque book, at best. NEVER give the power of signing cheques from an organisation's bank account to the person who is maintaining the books of accounts. That is the one of the first rules of internal audit I had leaned a long time ago.
Regards Saswata
On Saturday 14 June 2003 18:18, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
I hope you mean that the money will be in a bank account and Saswata
will
know how much is there and how the money has been spent :-)
That is after the account is opened. Until then it is cash I suppose.
I will, actually, have the custody of the cheque book, at best.
NEVER give
the power of signing cheques from an organisation's bank account to
the
person who is maintaining the books of accounts. That is the one of
the
first rules of internal audit I had leaned a long time ago.
Very true. Dr. Nag and one of two other luggers will sign cheques.
But that is still a long way off.
rgds jtdsouza@yahoo.com
Very true. Dr. Nag and one of two other luggers will sign cheques.
But that is still a long way off.
Seems the logical way to go, but lets do a reality check. We can build an intricate system for things to work out... but there must be people ready to do the work.
I guess we can discuss this issue in the next GLUG meet. Dr. Nag, how soon can we schedule one?
Regards,
ah
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 10:33:38PM +0530, Amol Hatwar wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
Very true. Dr. Nag and one of two other luggers will sign cheques.
But that is still a long way off.
Seems the logical way to go, but lets do a reality check. We can build an intricate system for things to work out... but there must be people ready to do the work.
I guess we can discuss this issue in the next GLUG meet. Dr. Nag, how soon can we schedule one?
The next meet is already announced, July 2nd sunday at KreSit. 4pm. Meanwhile: Registering an organization is not easy. Lot of unnecessary paper work. No one is interested in doing any voluntary work. Those who do it, do it for some time and after that they think enough is already done. We do need consistent support. Voluntary support doesn't mean less responsibility. I will have good faith only if the web site is taken care, resources and help documents published, manage at least a good link directory and such things, since these can be done from whereever they are. Does our website provide addresses from where one can get CDs? My personal opinion is that, GLUG should not sell CDs. Some small enterpruener should do it and the information should be posted at the GLUG site. Accounting and all that is a big problem.
Last meet at VJTI CDs were sold in a big way. I have no idea of how many were sold, at what price and where is the account?
On that occassion I asked someone to volunteer to get the banners done, finally it was Prof.Jitendra who had to go to the artist and get he job done. The list is full of young people, only to count, and when it comes to work, they shamelessly get the job done by those who are 45+.
I have been saying that a small ftp site should be maintained with some of the useful resources. Someone maintained it for some time and then no one to take over.
As some one pointed out, the posting rules on the mailing list should be available on the mailing list, though they are posted to each and every member when they subscribed.
The list may go on like this ...
But the end, dont think that the group belongs to any one person, it belongs to the community, and all of us should feel responsible for this.
Our GLUG could be very active and productive. There are lot of things happening around Mumbai, please come forward and take some role, however small the role may be.
Nagarjuna
Proposal:
FSF India is already a registered not-for profit company. A lawyer and a chartered accountant are already appointed to care of the office work. In a few weeks time we will get the tax exemption certificate. Coming to this stage took FSF India a full one year. All this paper work in my opinion should not get unnecessarily repeated in all the cities and towns of the country.
What we should do is get money from which ever quarter, and send the money by demand draft or crossed cheque to FSF India (address given on gnu.org.in site).
Whenever we organize meetings/events if we have any expenses, one of us will spend get it reimbussed. As long as contributions are going from Mumbai there will be no problem for FSF India to meet the expenses.
Actually money involvement is least for running GLUG: if CDs selling is left completely to the person who is burning, who sells and keeps the extra money with him/her, and now and then if s/he wishes contributes to FSF.
Now and then when for workshops we need to travel, we can get the money from the national body.
Having spent my time for a national body already in getting it registered, I am not in favor of getting into another.
Keep up the good work, money is never an issue. What is the issue is TIME. Let each of us do a good auditing of how much time is spent in promoting swatantra software.
First think of donating TIME, and if you cant, then donate Money. And ask money from those who agree to our ideals and cant donate time.
Nagarjuna
On Sunday 15 June 2003 11:45, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
Proposal:
FSF India is already a registered not-for profit company. A lawyer and a chartered accountant are already appointed to care of the
office
So FSF India it is. Forget about registering GLUG. Only one assurance neede from FSF India - Money dispersed to donor lugs should be a reasonable proportion of their donations. This will ensure that non donor Lugs do not become a drain on others. I guess B'lore will be ahead in donating.
Actually money involvement is least for running GLUG: if CDs selling is left completely to the person who is burning, who sells and keeps the extra money with him/her, and now and then if s/he wishes contributes to FSF.
Distributing CD's is not a profitable business unless the charges are about Rs.400-500 per cd at volumes of less than hundred a month.
Having spent my time for a national body already in getting it registered, I am not in favor of getting into another.
Very true.
Keep up the good work, money is never an issue. What is the issue
is
TIME. Let each of us do a good auditing of how much time is spent
in
promoting swatantra software.
First think of donating TIME, and if you cant, then donate Money.
And
ask money from those who agree to our ideals and cant donate time.
HINT taken ;-).
Just a clarification here, I don't have any papers with me and I don't know anyone who can register it for 5K. I did check with a couple of people but couldn't find the right person. What I offered at that time was my Office address could be used if that was a problem.
We can start again, if someone's willing to take up charge.
Regards Prakash
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 17:59, J. T. D'souza wrote:
Lot of back ground work was done by Punit, Parag Mehta, Prakash Advani, Nagarjuna, myself and others.
I had volunteered two yrs ago. The registration process costs btwn Rs.7k to 10k. Prakash Advani had a contact who said he would do it in Rs.5k. So Prakash took the papers (memorandum and articles of association, preliminary office bearers's names and addresses, location of the body etc.). Nothing happened. The (main) problem was money owed to LUG was never given to LUG. The money was generated by Dr. Nagarjuna, Philip Tellis and other LUG members conducting a GNU/Linux Seminar for TISL, and TISL donated Rs.30,000. The money was in the custody of Prakash Shetty, who AFAIK never handed over the money or any account of it's use. When the registration process was going on we had met at TIFR and I had specifically queried Prakash Shetty about the money. He told me that he would hand it over to Parag Mehta. I checked with Parag several times subsequently. The money never came.
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Dear Sir,
What would you need to be done for the website, I would love to help, my second shift is free (12:00am to 4:00am)
Ripunjay Bararia
-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.ilug-bom.org.in]On Behalf Of Nagarjuna G. Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 08:03 To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST. -------------------------------------
Sorry for the top posting, am in a hurry. I dont keep much confidence in these promises because:
1. the mailman list admin still didnot change the meeting header that goes with all the posts.
2. last time when money was collected, no onein the glub asked me how much did I spend
3. the minutes of the last meet are still not posted.
4. if we cant maintain a simple website, forget about balance sheets and envying glugs.
Sorry for being pessimistic!
But I do have lot of optimism, some one will comeforward and spend donate their time.
Nagarjuna
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:25:04AM +0530, Kapil Karekar wrote:
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
On Thursday 12 June 2003 23:53, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
- its too messy.......there are cheap cds available from commercial
vendors
messy ?? I am in the process of burning 50 cds ... I am not feeling messy
yet
;)
- who will do it ?
My above statement explains that !
- how will you keep track of expenses and revenue (sales)
just mail me the details of the revenues and expenses as and when they occur... I'll put it up on the GLUG site ... this way the whole process remains transparent and all other GLUGs can go green with envy looking at
our
balance sheet.
- you will need to keep accounts, so that no one can question you later
about the money
My above statement explains that !
- you need to think of matters like income tax, sales tax, etc.
hmmm ... income tax? sales tax? ... since the PLUG has already started
doing
it ... we dont need to rake our brains over it. They will burn the
midnight
oil and find the solutions for us. No need to reinvent the wheel. We can learn from the PLUG.
- you need to be a registered organisation, else you can face a lot of
problem
My above statement explains that !
Just a few of the things I can think off the head.
Wow !!
And ofcourse, finally, how much money does the organisation make and whether the efforts justify the amount of profit
Dont think just about CDs .... think about donations ... think about endorsements ... think about banner ads on the GLUG site ... think about
....
think about ... think about ... sorry I ran out of ideas :P
Cheers!! Kapil Karekar http://www.libretech.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Amol Hatwar" rollacosta@phreaker.net To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn in
favour of
"PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Someone give me one good reason why ILUG-BOM musn't peddle CDs? Man we give support and (flames) for free here!
Regards,
ah
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kapil Karekar" libre@libretech.com To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fw: [LIH][COMMERCIAL]Slackware CDs available
GLUG Meeting on 8th 4pm at PUKAR, Near CST.
On Thursday 12 June 2003 23:53, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
- its too messy.......there are cheap cds available from commercial
vendors
messy ?? I am in the process of burning 50 cds ... I am not feeling messy
yet
;)
It is not just burning CDs. It is
a. Buying CDs b. Keeping Inventory of CDs (both fresh and burned) c. Burning CDs d. Maintaing an ordering system e. Maintaining a delivery system f. Collecting Money and depositing it in the bank g. Providing for expenses, budgets, etc f. Recording and Handling of complaints h. Sales Tax and Income Tax related Matters i. Listening to and repying to all flames and critisism of well-intentioned clules people who wont do the work themselvel (like me ?)
If it is being done then, it should be done on a professional basis, with time bound delivery and other matters. Once started, it should continue and not stop due to lack of time, etc of the person doing it.
(I am not doubting your commitment, but work pressures do change intentions)
- who will do it ?
My above statement explains that !
- how will you keep track of expenses and revenue (sales)
just mail me the details of the revenues and expenses as and when they occur... I'll put it up on the GLUG site ... this way the whole process remains transparent and all other GLUGs can go green with envy looking at
our
balance sheet.
- you will need to keep accounts, so that no one can question you later
about the money
My above statement explains that !
As someone pointed out, we dont even have a bank account.
- you need to think of matters like income tax, sales tax, etc.
hmmm ... income tax? sales tax? ... since the PLUG has already started
doing
it ... we dont need to rake our brains over it. They will burn the
midnight
oil and find the solutions for us. No need to reinvent the wheel. We can learn from the PLUG.
That is a good idea. I go to Pune every week, if this matter is to be followed up, I guess I can meet the brain behind the thing in Pune.
- you need to be a registered organisation, else you can face a lot of
problem
My above statement explains that !
Just a few of the things I can think off the head.
Wow !!
Dont get sarcastic. There is a lot of difference between doing something out of fun, at irregular intervals and doing something on a commercial basis. If you are doing on commercial basis, you need to definately meet customer expectations. We work with commercial organisations. There are a lot of seemingly minor problems and practical as well as tactical difficulties that will come up.
And ofcourse, finally, how much money does the organisation make and whether the efforts justify the amount of profit
Dont think just about CDs .... think about donations ... think about endorsements ... think about banner ads on the GLUG site ... think about
....
think about ... think about ... sorry I ran out of ideas :P
Cheers!! Kapil Karekar http://www.libretech.com
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On Friday 13 Jun 2003 9:38 am, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
It is not just burning CDs. It is
a. Buying CDs b. Keeping Inventory of CDs (both fresh and burned) c. Burning CDs d. Maintaing an ordering system e. Maintaining a delivery system f. Collecting Money and depositing it in the bank g. Providing for expenses, budgets, etc f. Recording and Handling of complaints h. Sales Tax and Income Tax related Matters i. Listening to and repying to all flames and critisism of well-intentioned clules people who wont do the work themselvel (like me ?)
What I feel is, one should not look at it as a major commercial initiative, its an affort done in good faith to popularize linux in India, not a way to make money. If that is so, we dont need all that formal mechanism. How about, someone [via a php script on lig-bombays webpage] posts a request for a CD. Someone from the list voulanteers to meet the request, gives his address, the concerned person sends a draft/cheque, and the volunteer cuts and couriers the CD. Its only 100 Rs or so max per request, so if someone voulanteers and runs away after getting money, he would only do it once with some loss of face.
This will involve a repository of CDs or ISOs. Making available a variety of distribution to local users would be a great service. One can ask other LUGs for donation of CDs to initially build a nice archieve, and the list published on ilug-bombay homepage, along with the proposed mechanism, so that a person is aware of the risks before sending money, as well as list or number of requests successfully served by respective voulanteers to build the confidance. Its not essential, group can warn poeple if someone is eating money.
If Kapil gets bored doing this, he can hand over his collection to other voulanteer, or even better we have more than one voulanteers from the begining.
There are some 5-6 standard linux distributions, and tens of experimental/special purpose ones, Mumbai, as the biggest city of India, deserves easy access to them.
- -- Amit Upadhyay Senior Undergraduate Student Department of Mechanical Engg. Indian Institute of Technology Bombay Mumbai-76, India Phone: (91) 9820325940
On Thursday 12 June 2003 22:25, Amol Hatwar wrote:
This is a 2 CD set and priced at Rs 75/-. Please send us DD drawn in favour of "PUNE LINUX USERS GROUP" payable at Pune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Someone give me one good reason why ILUG-BOM musn't peddle CDs? Man we give support and (flames) for free here!
Let's first atleast have a bank account !
Today if I want to donate an amount for supporting the GLUG Mumbai activities .... what do I do? Who should I give the amount to?? Let's atleast have a bank account ...
Those who are in favor of opening a bank account raise your right hand. My God ... I can see a lot of right hands ... Great :)) that's the spirit ... by the way what are you doing with your left hand? :)) ... just joking ... about the left hand ... but I am very serious about the right hand vote !
Please dont flood the list with one-liners saying "I agree". Of course if you have an opinion ... post it on the list. If you just want to say "I agree" ... please attend the GLUG meet :))
Happy hacking !!
Kapil Karekar
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Adi -
Amit Upadhyay -
Amol Hatwar -
Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. -
J. T. D'souza -
Kapil Karekar -
Nagarjuna G. -
Philip S Tellis -
Prakash Advani -
Ripunjay Bararia (ILUG-MUM) -
Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe -
Saswata Banerjee & Associates