true - i started using linux in 1996, and the first time i heard about RMS was around 2002. And so far i havent read a single thing he has written - although i have read almost everything ESR has written.
Not even the GNU GPL? So you know about 'The Cathedral and The Bazaar', while not having read the GNU GPL? I do not have words to describe this.
it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we don't understand what Freedom is.
i beg to differ - it will remain a failure in India at least until people stopped sounding off and started writing code
Write code for Microsoft or Apple?
Regards, Debarshi
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
On 08/15/2006 04:52 PM, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray cobbled together some glyphs to say:
true - i started using linux in 1996, and the first time i heard about RMS was around 2002. And so far i havent read a single thing he has written - although i have read almost everything ESR has written.
Not even the GNU GPL? So you know about 'The Cathedral and The Bazaar', while not having read the GNU GPL? I do not have words to describe this.
Don't be surprised. This is not an isolated case. I have made some observations myself. There is a distinct pattern. For example do the following things to become a FOSS celebrity in India ---
1. Flame / make fun of rms 2. Worship / follow / appreciate ESR 3. Claim that it's either just Linux or Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP/Python/X.Org/.../<random app> 4. Preach how the GNU GPL is a waste of time and how BSD [read Public Domain] is a much better `license' [sic] 5. Use Mac OS X + Apple apps and claim that you are using OpenDarwin 6. Constantly whine about how <any Free Software project> lacks <some feature> compared to <some non-free app> 7. Publicly deny any allegiance to the FSF/GNU/Free Software but at the same time project yourself as a FOSS advocate in `elite' circles 8. Make fun of other Indian FOSS people by calling them sexists, morons, hypocrites, lame, etc. and explain how <random country> has more FOSS developers 9. Release the sources of numerous but utterly useless projects (resume, website, two line code to rename files, etc.) and brag about how you are really `contributing' to the `Open Source movement' [sic] 10. Constantly look for opportunities where you can spread FUD and more flaming (on lists, blogs, etc.) 11. Keep on repeating steps 1--10 for some years 12. Become a FOSS celebrity 13. Profit 14. Repeat steps 1--13
Flames are welcome. Regards, BG
- -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose@ubuntu.com Ubuntu -- Linux for Human Beings http://www.ubuntu.com/
1024D/86361B74 BB2C E244 15AD 05C5 523A 90E7 4249 3494 8636 1B74
On 15-Aug-06, at 6:59 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
- Flame / make fun of rms
- Worship / follow / appreciate ESR
- Claim that it's either just Linux or
Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP/Python/X.Org/.../<random app> 4. Preach how the GNU GPL is a waste of time and how BSD [read Public Domain] is a much better `license' [sic] 5. Use Mac OS X + Apple apps and claim that you are using OpenDarwin 6. Constantly whine about how <any Free Software project> lacks <some feature> compared to <some non-free app> 7. Publicly deny any allegiance to the FSF/GNU/Free Software but at the same time project yourself as a FOSS advocate in `elite' circles 8. Make fun of other Indian FOSS people by calling them sexists, morons, hypocrites, lame, etc. and explain how <random country> has more FOSS developers 9. Release the sources of numerous but utterly useless projects (resume, website, two line code to rename files, etc.) and brag about how you are really `contributing' to the `Open Source movement' [sic] 10. Constantly look for opportunities where you can spread FUD and more flaming (on lists, blogs, etc.) 11. Keep on repeating steps 1--10 for some years 12. Become a FOSS celebrity 13. Profit 14. Repeat steps 1--13
since i am guilty of all the steps except 8,9,10? and 13 - i qualify as a FOSS celebrity - w00t
On 15-Aug-06, at 4:52 PM, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray wrote:
true - i started using linux in 1996, and the first time i heard about RMS was around 2002. And so far i havent read a single thing he has written - although i have read almost everything ESR has written.
Not even the GNU GPL? So you know about 'The Cathedral and The Bazaar', while not having read the GNU GPL? I do not have words to describe this.
no, i havent read the GPL. The first software i released was on CPAN - for license i just put 'same as perl'. Later, for my sf projects i chose GPL because it was the first choice on the sf list. Nowadays, i find that i use apache, postgres, subversion, python and django - none of them released under GPL. I am leaning to the view that most people who write FOSS code are too busy to bother themselves with the complexities and nit picking of the GPL and prefer a less obtrusive license which allows them to concentrate on what they do best - producing code. So I will probably be shifting my projects to a BSD style license in the near future.
it's about the whole society. No matter how many ``Linux'' users are there in this world or how many companies support ``Open Source'', the whole Free Software revolution will remain a failure as long as we don't understand what Freedom is.
i beg to differ - it will remain a failure in India at least until people stopped sounding off and started writing code
Write code for Microsoft or Apple?
a suprising amount of foss code *is* written for those platforms - see the top 20 on sourceforge
-
Baishampayan Ghose -
Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray -
Kenneth Gonsalves