Hello
I want to design and develop application using MySQL as backend with tally 4.5 like interface. How to go about that? Any idea?
Thank you Komal
On 08/09/04 12:30 +0530, komal wrote:
Hello
I want to design and develop application using MySQL as backend with tally 4.5 like interface. How to go about that? Any idea?
Please do not crosspost.
MySQL is a bad idea for lots of reasons (lack of transactions by default, silent truncation of strings, non standard SQL being the biggest flaws).
I recommend looking at AvSAP and modifying that instead.
Devdas Bhagat
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:24, Devdas Bhagat wrote:
On 08/09/04 12:30 +0530, komal wrote:
Hello
I want to design and develop application using MySQL as backend with tally 4.5 like interface. How to go about that? Any idea?
Please do not crosspost.
MySQL is a bad idea for lots of reasons (lack of transactions by default, silent truncation of strings, non standard SQL being the biggest flaws).
I recommend looking at AvSAP and modifying that instead.
Or maybe PostgreSQL - supports transactions and triggers, is stable and free. A Tally-like front end means a regular GUI front end. You have several options in this space:
* Scripted languages such as Perl, Python (with Tk, or the wxWindows interface or the GTK interface), or even Tcl/Tk (ugh) * A regular C or C++ GUI using GTK/ Qt/ Gnome/ KDE/ wxWindows (the most common, and you fill find several other GUI frameworks if you search on freshmeat), or maybe even Java with a GUI toolkit * If you prefer a commercial IDE, you could even get Borland's Kylix, which supports C++ Builder and Delphi (not sure if it is still around, though)
HTH,
Krishnan
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 08:01:24PM -0400, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote:
- Scripted languages such as Perl, Python (with Tk, or the wxWindows
interface or the GTK interface), or even Tcl/Tk (ugh)
- A regular C or C++ GUI using GTK/ Qt/ Gnome/ KDE/ wxWindows (the most
common, and you fill find several other GUI frameworks if you search on freshmeat), or maybe even Java with a GUI toolkit
- If you prefer a commercial IDE, you could even get Borland's Kylix,
which supports C++ Builder and Delphi (not sure if it is still around, though)
Or even XUL on the Mozilla platform ... :)
Sameer.
On 08/09/04 20:01 -0400, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote:
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:24, Devdas Bhagat wrote:
On 08/09/04 12:30 +0530, komal wrote:
Hello
I want to design and develop application using MySQL as backend with tally 4.5 like interface. How to go about that? Any idea?
Please do not crosspost.
MySQL is a bad idea for lots of reasons (lack of transactions by default, silent truncation of strings, non standard SQL being the biggest flaws).
I recommend looking at AvSAP and modifying that instead.
Or maybe PostgreSQL - supports transactions and triggers, is stable and free. A Tally-like front end means a regular GUI front end. You have several options in this space:
- Scripted languages such as Perl, Python (with Tk, or the wxWindows
interface or the GTK interface), or even Tcl/Tk (ugh)
- A regular C or C++ GUI using GTK/ Qt/ Gnome/ KDE/ wxWindows (the most
common, and you fill find several other GUI frameworks if you search on freshmeat), or maybe even Java with a GUI toolkit
- If you prefer a commercial IDE, you could even get Borland's Kylix,
which supports C++ Builder and Delphi (not sure if it is still around, though)
AvSAP is a WxPython based application using PostgreSQL as a backend.
Apparently it works, but I really have no further knowledge about it.
Devdas Bhagat
Guys/Gals,
Hold onto your guns. It may not be long before tally hits the roads on gnu/linux. They have always had a gnu/linux version but refrained from going to the market with it due to hazaar issues between them and a so called gnu/linux vendor.
Things have changed and market forces tell me this time around with a lot of gnu/linux vendors in the fray Tally is all gung-ho and will be out on the streets soon with a gnu/linux version.
Trevor
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Great news ...since our clients' have postponed their ERP program just for the lack of a good OPen Source accounting package...Now we can plan ahead...Thanks for the tip.
Old man mozz...
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Guys/Gals,
Hold onto your guns. It may not be long before tally hits the roads on gnu/linux. They have always had a gnu/linux version but refrained from going to the market with it due to hazaar issues between them and a so called gnu/linux vendor.
Things have changed and market forces tell me this time around with a lot of gnu/linux vendors in the fray Tally is all gung-ho and will be out on the streets soon with a gnu/linux version.
Trevor
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Great news ...since our clients' have postponed their ERP program just for the lack of a good OPen Source accounting package...Now we can plan ahead...Thanks for the tip.
Any ideas what your clients would be happy to spend to fund this project? Try and sell them the idea that they could be responsible for saving their country.
Really ... no jokes. Anyone involved with developing and funding this project would help save the country.
Thanks to Tally (and many other programs) and the fact it's non-free (proprietory)... we're screwed and stuck with DOS/Windows.
Just one last encouraging thought I'd like to leave on this thread before I hit the sack.. Don't be disheartened if you get 'No' to funding or 'time' to create TIST. It took FSF years before they got a kernel when they were creating GNU... so it's never too late.
Hi...Funding a project like this is a good idea..have tried selling the concept to our clients, we are still at the talking stage...Anyway how much does a project like this one cost from start to finish and I have no doubts that the end product would be as good as Tally.
Any pointers to the total cost of the project would be welcome.
Regards..
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Great news ...since our clients' have postponed their ERP program just
for
the lack of a good OPen Source accounting package...Now we can plan ahead...Thanks for the tip.
Any ideas what your clients would be happy to spend to fund this project? Try and sell them the idea that they could be responsible for saving their country.
Really ... no jokes. Anyone involved with developing and funding this project would help save the country.
Thanks to Tally (and many other programs) and the fact it's non-free (proprietory)... we're screwed and stuck with DOS/Windows.
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Trevor Warren wrote:
Guys/Gals,
Hold onto your guns. It may not be long before tally hits the roads on gnu/linux. They have always had a gnu/linux version but refrained from going to the market with it due to hazaar issues between them and a so called gnu/linux vendor.
Things have changed and market forces tell me this time around with a lot of gnu/linux vendors in the fray Tally is all gung-ho and will be out on the streets soon with a gnu/linux version.
I have serious doubts if Tally will bring in a Linux version. They are not bothered. Most of their clients are in windows environment and not more than a handful would have changed accounting systems in order to be able to move from windows to linux. It is not worth the efforts for tally to port the software to linux.
In addition, they have just started porting the entire tally to DotNet. They will be tied into that project for the next 1-1.5 years. Dont hold your breadth waiting for Linux version of tally.
Regards Saswata
Trevor
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On Sep 10, 2004 at 15:44, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
I have serious doubts if Tally will bring in a Linux version. They are
Why not write your own, or use one of the many others available? Like gnucash, sqlledger, phpmymoney, saccs....
(Yeah I wrote saccs: http://saccs.sf.net/ )
Guys/Gals,
That should be Guys !
Hold onto your guns. It may not be long before tally hits the roads on gnu/linux. They have always had a gnu/linux version but refrained from going to the market with it due to hazaar issues between them and a so called gnu/linux vendor.
No it was't.
Things have changed and market forces tell me this time around with a lot of gnu/linux vendors in the fray Tally is all gung-ho and will be out on the streets soon with a gnu/linux version.
Trevor
Let us hope so. However, even if tally comes out with Linux oh sorry Linux/gnu version I am sure it wound not be open source. I think without wasting further time we should start working on good, open source accounting package with all the bells and whistle of Tally. Data migration from Tally should be part of that package. As Devdas has already mentioned one of the program avasp is already available. I will concentrate my effort on that.
I wonder why Indian magazine like Linux For you have not published article on such a promising piece of software. I wish they published how to code in avsap and carry out usability study of it.
One of the reason why Tally enjoy such a wide spread dominance is because extremely easy to use interface and comfortable menu navigation without having to such mouse. I hardly see accounting person using mouse.
Komal
komal wrote:
Guys/Gals,
That should be Guys !
There are girls on LUG
**** (deleted irrelevenat part) ****
Let us hope so. However, even if tally comes out with Linux oh sorry Linux/gnu version I am sure it wound not be open source. I think without wasting further time we should start working on good, open source accounting package with all the bells and whistle of Tally. Data migration from Tally should be part of that package. As Devdas has already mentioned one of the program avasp is already available. I will concentrate my effort on that.
There are already some good accounting software available. If you need help (my domain knowledge : Accounting, Costing and Business Consulting), please call me on 9819384313. Also have a look at web-erp. It is a good package, though some changes are needed.
I wonder why Indian magazine like Linux For you have not published article on such a promising piece of software. I wish they published how to code in avsap and carry out usability study of it.
There was a quiet good book published a few years ago on how to write an accounting software in vb6. The basics of the logic and pattern has not changed, if we need to build a fresh one, we can use that book as a basis and proceed. It was the only comprehensive book on how to write an accounting software.
I had suggested something along the same line 2 years ago, many nodded their heads and then noone moved with it. (before you ask, I do not have the development skills in Linux to be able to do it on my own).
Regards Saswata
There are already some good accounting software available. If you need help (my domain knowledge : Accounting, Costing and Business Consulting), please call me on 9819384313. Also have a look at web-erp. It is a good package, though some changes are needed.
1. Are these packages GPL? 2. Can it import Tally data? 3. Will Accountants be willing to switch to them?
If the answer to all 3 questions are yes, then I guess that's a good enough reason to prevent this project from taking off ...
Rishi
I agree, a good opensource accounts package is needed What's the name of the book? Has anyone evaluated adapting the many available on SF?
-----Original Message----- From: Saswata Banerjee & Associates [mailto:scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:51 AM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to program like tally 4.5?
komal wrote:
Guys/Gals,
That should be Guys !
There are girls on LUG
**** (deleted irrelevenat part) ****
Let us hope so. However, even if tally comes out with Linux oh sorry Linux/gnu version I am sure it wound not be open source. I think without wasting further time we should start working on good, open source
accounting
package with all the bells and whistle of Tally. Data migration from Tally should be part of that package. As Devdas has already mentioned one of the program avasp is already available. I will concentrate my effort on that.
There are already some good accounting software available. If you need help (my domain knowledge : Accounting, Costing and Business Consulting), please call me on 9819384313. Also have a look at web-erp. It is a good package, though some changes are needed.
I wonder why Indian magazine like Linux For you have not published article on such a promising piece of software. I wish they published how to code in avsap and carry out usability study of it.
There was a quiet good book published a few years ago on how to write an accounting software in vb6. The basics of the logic and pattern has not changed, if we need to build a fresh one, we can use that book as a basis and proceed. It was the only comprehensive book on how to write an accounting software.
I had suggested something along the same line 2 years ago, many nodded their heads and then noone moved with it. (before you ask, I do not have the development skills in Linux to be able to do it on my own).
Regards Saswata
Have you folks had a chance to look at http://www.compiere.org ?
Thats a very popular opensource ERP.
Rehan yar Khan wrote:
I agree, a good opensource accounts package is needed What's the name of the book?
The book is called "An Accounting Package Using VB V K Publishing Author : Mr. Krishna, Mrs. Bharati
The book is outdated in any case since it deals with vb6, but I am sure the basics, logic and flow does not change.
Regards Saswata
Has anyone evaluated adapting the many available on SF?
-----Original Message----- From: Saswata Banerjee & Associates [mailto:scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:51 AM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to program like tally 4.5?
komal wrote:
Guys/Gals,
That should be Guys !
There are girls on LUG
**** (deleted irrelevenat part) ****
Let us hope so. However, even if tally comes out with Linux oh sorry Linux/gnu version I am sure it wound not be open source. I think without wasting further time we should start working on good, open source
accounting
package with all the bells and whistle of Tally. Data migration from Tally should be part of that package. As Devdas has already mentioned one of the program avasp is already available. I will concentrate my effort on that.
There are already some good accounting software available. If you need help (my domain knowledge : Accounting, Costing and Business Consulting), please call me on 9819384313. Also have a look at web-erp. It is a good package, though some changes are needed.
I wonder why Indian magazine like Linux For you have not published article on such a promising piece of software. I wish they published how to code in avsap and carry out usability study of it.
There was a quiet good book published a few years ago on how to write an accounting software in vb6. The basics of the logic and pattern has not changed, if we need to build a fresh one, we can use that book as a basis and proceed. It was the only comprehensive book on how to write an accounting software.
I had suggested something along the same line 2 years ago, many nodded their heads and then noone moved with it. (before you ask, I do not have the development skills in Linux to be able to do it on my own).
Regards Saswata
I havea copy of the book, and beleive me you wont want to get into this application with that book in hand.
Our company has a VB.NET based application that we have written. If you think it feasible, I can talk to them and get them to put the core libraries in OS under LGPL. You folks can build the UI using mono or other technologies.
- Navneet
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:48:47 +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:
Rehan yar Khan wrote:
I agree, a good opensource accounts package is needed What's the name of the book?
The book is called "An Accounting Package Using VB V K Publishing Author : Mr. Krishna, Mrs. Bharati
The book is outdated in any case since it deals with vb6, but I am sure the basics, logic and flow does not change.
Regards Saswata
Has anyone evaluated adapting the many available on SF?
-----Original Message----- From: Saswata Banerjee & Associates [mailto:scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:51 AM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to program like tally 4.5?
komal wrote:
Guys/Gals,
That should be Guys !
There are girls on LUG
**** (deleted irrelevenat part) ****
Let us hope so. However, even if tally comes out with Linux oh sorry Linux/gnu version I am sure it wound not be open source. I think without wasting further time we should start working on good, open source
accounting
package with all the bells and whistle of Tally. Data migration from Tally should be part of that package. As Devdas has already mentioned one of the program avasp is already available. I will concentrate my effort on that.
There are already some good accounting software available. If you need help (my domain knowledge : Accounting, Costing and Business Consulting), please call me on 9819384313. Also have a look at web-erp. It is a good package, though some changes are needed.
I wonder why Indian magazine like Linux For you have not published article on such a promising piece of software. I wish they published how to code in avsap and carry out usability study of it.
There was a quiet good book published a few years ago on how to write an accounting software in vb6. The basics of the logic and pattern has not changed, if we need to build a fresh one, we can use that book as a basis and proceed. It was the only comprehensive book on how to write an accounting software.
I had suggested something along the same line 2 years ago, many nodded their heads and then noone moved with it. (before you ask, I do not have the development skills in Linux to be able to do it on my own).
Regards Saswata
However, even if tally comes out with Linux oh sorry Linux/gnu version I am sure it wound not be open source.
Exactly and I think that is the important question here .... at least for those of you on this list that give an importance to freedom and not popularity.
I think without wasting further time we should start working on good, open source accounting package with all the bells and whistle of Tally. Data migration from Tally should be part of that package.
Data migration is the key to the packages success. Many people still use the DOS version of Tally .... you may want to keep that in mind when creating GNU/Linux version Tally.
BTW... what about this project's name? I think the most important thing is to come up with a name. How does TIST which could mean "Tist Is Not Tally"... ;-)
As Devdas has already mentioned one of the program avasp is already available. I will concentrate my effort on that.
I have an idea to get you funding for this project. I will talk to all the people I know that use Tally and ask them what they would be willing to spend per year to fund this project instead of paying Tally for support. You guys can do the same. The deal - TIST should be GNU GPL.
I wonder why Indian magazine like Linux For you have not published article on such a promising piece of software. I wish they published how to code in avsap and carry out usability study of it.
Next time don't wonder. Just tell the editor to talk about it. ;-) Rahul Chopra (26) is guy with young blood and will be more than happy to write about stuff like this. He needs people like you to create articles and provide information like this to get it out in the magazine.
Rahul,
I wasn't sure if you were on this list so I've copied this mail to you.
Regards
Rishi
Hold onto your guns. It may not be long before tally hits the roads on gnu/linux. They have always had a gnu/linux version but refrained from going to the market with it due to hazaar issues between them and a so called gnu/linux vendor.
Things have changed and market forces tell me this time around with a lot of gnu/linux vendors in the fray Tally is all gung-ho and will be out on the streets soon with a gnu/linux version.
Hi Trevor,
I sent an email to tally and here is their response. This was last year December. Not sure what has changed since then. I kept this mail to use it on such a conversation as I was sure it would come up. ;-)
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To: rishi@theargoncompany.com Subject: Tally for Linux From: support@tallysolutions.com
Dear Sir,
Please specify your Tally serial number in all your future correspondence because without Tally serial number we will not be able to give a support. However currently it is not possible to install Tally on Linux. You may store the Tally data in the Linux server and connect the Tally lock to one of the nodes and access the data from the server in the Windows nodes.
Rgds,
Vidya SM TallySupportmailto:support@tallysolutions.com Tally Solutions (formerly Peutronics) - the Creators of Tally ees 6.3 TallyFon: +91 (80) 553 3156, +44 (20) 8795 5550 TallyFax: +91 (80) 553 3986, +44 (20) 8795 5505 TallyWeb: http://www.tallysolutions.com
Hello,
Is there a version of Tally for the GNU/Linux Operating System? If yes, is there any upgrade / migration cost to move the data from our Windows version to the GNU/Linux Version?
Our 2 accountants use the Windows OS on their desktop, however, because they use Tally for Windows on their computer we are unable to remove Windows on their PC.
Regards
Rishi
Hello,
There are plenty available, plese dont waste your energy in redoing the activities again. I preffer GNUcash (basically since I never was addicted to Tally). But check kalculate and various others for advanced features. Also prefer not to store stuff in database, accounting apps are used in various places where people might not be able to setup a database and administer it. Try working on a standalone system.
Amish.
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:30:23 +0530, "komal" agencies_ad1@sancharnet.in said:
Hello
I want to design and develop application using MySQL as backend with tally 4.5 like interface. How to go about that? Any idea?
Thank you Komal
Amish K. Munshi. Always Available, Everywhere.
There are plenty available, plese dont waste your energy in redoing the activities again. I preffer GNUcash (basically since I never was addicted to Tally).
That's fine for you, but for those that are addicted, I think this project is worth starting. Think of it this way... if this does become a reality, most CPA firms will switch to this version without a problem... get legal and our country benifits.
Ask your accountants to switch to GNU/Cash... 1 out of 10 may switch .. if you're lucky.
I wish you guys success in getting this project on the road. I hope you consider the name TIST. ;-)
Rishi
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Hello
I want to design and develop application using MySQL as backend with tally 4.5 like interface. How to go about that? Any idea?
Thank you Komal
Hi
Ok! Fine.
I had this idea for about 2 years now, but could not find time and resource to do it. I think now I can work out.
I can develop the front end for it. In fact I have some basic framework I developed 2 years back.
Project -------
1) For GUI we will use Mozilla and that means we will program it in XUL. I can take care of it. This could assure that program will work wherever mozilla works
2) As we do not want the project to be limited to a single use application we should consider PostgreSQL as database since transaction support is vety good.
3) Apache+PHP should be considered for connectivity. As mozilla can call SOAP objects and PHP 5 is well with XML and SOAP this will be ideal.
How about this idea. Anyone wants to proceed ?
T.Ullas
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