Hello All,
Whenever there have been arguments on this list about linux compatible hardware, the experts are of the opinion that they select their hardware in such a way that its compatible to linux without any extra effort. So here is a request to all the experts to provide some information on the motherboards and processors they use, that are directly compatible to linux . Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months?
Regards,
Rony.
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On 9/24/06, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months?
I have MSI K8NGM2 with AMD 64 3000+ and 1GB RAM Onboard Nvidia card detected by Knoppix 3.6 , Ubuntu/Kubuntu 6.06 and SuSE 10.1 Ubuntu 5.10 refused to boot. Some other knoppix based live CDs booted fine. Installed latest Nvidia drivers to get XGL working on SuSE 10.1. No problems with XGL.
Onboard sound was not detected by Knoppix 3.6 and SuSE 10.1 But Ubuntu 6.06 had no issues with the sound.
Initially machine had only Linux installed on it but Internet access was irratic. I thought it to be MTNL problem due to rain. After installing Windows, Linux refuses to ping even router. Online Tux magazine blames this problem on windows but no solution was available 2 months back. Dont have time to experiment with reinstalling various distros and windows again and again. And since Internet is not working on Linux my family members are not booting in Linux even for normal jobs :-( Will try to resolve this in coming Diwali vacations and will post here if successful.
For Linux single boot machines running Ubuntu 6.06 I would recommed this mobo.
Regards Aseem
Hi Rony,
On 9/24/06, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
linux . Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months?
That will be long list. However, I would suggest that you avoid ASUS MBs like plague. They simpply suck.
Regards,
Rony.
With rgards,
On 9/24/06, Dinesh Shah dineshah@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rony,
On 9/24/06, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
linux . Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months?
That will be long list. However, I would suggest that you avoid ASUS MBs like plague. They simpply suck.
Regards,
Rony.
Dear Dinesh,
I Beg to Differ, I have been using an ASUS board on my home workstation for almost 2 years now, and the best part is, everything in it came supported out of the box, yes, even the on-board radeon chipset, and i managed to even get DOOM3 to run on it. There is only one part that does not work, and that is the pata slot connected to the secondary SIS-180 sata controller,, meaning i can only connect 6 hard disks to this system, instead of 8. That's all. and that applies to any motherboard that uses the sis180 sata controller to also provide a pata port, not just asus.
I think a more prudent method of handling this would be to make a list of chipsets that have good support in linux. the same manufacturer may make 2 models with diff chipsets, one of which may rock, while the other makes you wish you had a machine gun and the address of the mobo designer:).
So, lets say that we make a list of motherboard chipsets that are known to work well with linux, and this will be a pretty long list, but many many times shorter than the list of motherboard models themselves.
More importantly, let's make up a lit of motherboard chipsets that we have had problems with(and this will be a much shorter list), and that can be a quick list to check against whenever choosing a new motherboard.
With rgards,
-- --Dinesh Shah :-)
Rajeev R. K. wrote:
So, lets say that we make a list of motherboard chipsets that are known to work well with linux, and this will be a pretty long list, but many many times shorter than the list of motherboard models themselves.
More importantly, let's make up a lit of motherboard chipsets that we have had problems with(and this will be a much shorter list), and that can be a quick list to check against whenever choosing a new motherboard.
All your inputs are most welcome. What I am observing is that linux experts/gurus are not parting with information of the hardware they use. Its is as if its top secret. I wonder why.
Regards,
Rony.
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On 26/09/06 21:20 +0530, Rony wrote: <snip>
All your inputs are most welcome. What I am observing is that linux experts/gurus are not parting with information of the hardware they use. Its is as if its top secret. I wonder why.
My current desktop is a 4.5 year old Duron, 750 MHz. Via chipset, Intel EEPro card. (I made sure it was supported, and just short of top of the line when I bought it). This box used to run RH 7.3 from date of assembly until early last year, when I switched to Gentoo.
Latest toy is a Nikon D70s camera, which works fine.
New hardware at work is Sun boxes with Opterons.
I'll let the world know when I get some newer hardware.
Devdas Bhagat
On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 21:20 +0530, Rony wrote:
All your inputs are most welcome. What I am observing is that linux experts/gurus are not parting with information of the hardware they use. Its is as if its top secret. I wonder why.
Regards,
Rony.
Don't most distros maintain hardware compatibility lists? I remember them doing doing so back in the good old days when the men were noble, the women, beautiful and children respected their elders.
-gabin
ps: you could also try -
http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatibility.html
or
http://www.google.com/search?q=hardware+compatibility+list+ <your favourite distro or app here>
On Tuesday 26 September 2006 21:20, Rony wrote:
All your inputs are most welcome. What I am observing is that linux experts/gurus are not parting with information of the hardware they use. Its is as if its top secret. I wonder why.
Here are some i have used. Via CLE266, P4M266 I845, I855, I865 TYAN S 2877ANRF, TYAN S 2875ANRF
Right now testing K8NGM2. Problems with graphics and network drivers.
On 9/26/06, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Rajeev R. K. wrote:
So, lets say that we make a list of motherboard chipsets that are known
to
work well with linux, and this will be a pretty long list, but many many times shorter than the list of motherboard models themselves.
More importantly, let's make up a lit of motherboard chipsets that we
have
had problems with(and this will be a much shorter list), and that can be
a
quick list to check against whenever choosing a new motherboard.
All your inputs are most welcome. What I am observing is that linux experts/gurus are not parting with information of the hardware they use. Its is as if its top secret. I wonder why.
hmmm. interesting point. Maybee we should have some install-fest's like they do abroad, where we all bring systems together, and the guru's do a kind of show-and-tell. You learn how to install on various hardware, and you get your machine properly installed too. In general, there are very few pieces of hardware that i have ever come across that i havent been able to get to behave. A little bit of time and effort is all it takes to get any hardware up and usable in linux, in my experience.
What do you say guys, how about an installfest?
And my system is top-secret, and i have evidence in the form of a sticker on the chasis which reads *gasp* "TOP SECRET!!!" *chuckle*. Anyways, even if i gave you my system config, it's so weird, you'd wonder how i got anything to run on it properly, let alone linux.
Regards R. K. Rajeev
Regards,
Rony.
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Sometime on Tuesday 26 September 2006 21:44, Rajeev R. K. said:
hmmm. interesting point. Maybee we should have some install-fest's like they do abroad, where we all bring systems together, and the guru's do a kind of show-and-tell. You learn how to install on various hardware, and you get your machine properly installed too. In general, there are very few pieces of hardware that i have ever come across that i havent been able to get to behave. A little bit of time and effort is all it takes to get any hardware up and usable in linux, in my experience.
What do you say guys, how about an installfest?
We had planned for having an install fest when we last met in February at Five Gardens. Maybe we should take it forward and actually have an install fest.
Anurag
Anurag wrote:
Sometime on Tuesday 26 September 2006 21:44, Rajeev R. K. said:
^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
Your mail attribution is broken... It seems it was 9:44 PM :P
Anurag wrote:
Sometime on Tuesday 26 September 2006 21:44, Rajeev R. K. said:
hmmm. interesting point. Maybee we should have some install-fest's like they do abroad, where we all bring systems together, and the guru's do a kind of show-and-tell. You learn how to install on various hardware, and you get your machine properly installed too. In general, there are very few pieces of hardware that i have ever come across that i havent been able to get to behave. A little bit of time and effort is all it takes to get any hardware up and usable in linux, in my experience.
What do you say guys, how about an installfest?
We had planned for having an install fest when we last met in February at Five Gardens. Maybe we should take it forward and actually have an install fest.
My query was not related to an install how-to but to know what hardware is being used by the experts for their business. While everyone is giving details of their own hardware, what I would like to know is the motherboards used for customers' workstations. The reason is that for self owned hardware, a lot of time is available to experiment and it is purchased only once. There are many big players on this list, who install 50, 100 or more systems at a stretch in big companies and the hardware used will have to be one that requires minimum setup time. It is this hardware detail that I am looking for, from the last six months. I would highly appreciate if the big players can provide these details, at least for 5 latest mobos used for their clients.
Thanks,
Rony.
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On 28-Sep-06, at 9:31 PM, Rony wrote:
I would highly appreciate if the big players can provide these details, at least for 5 latest mobos used for their clients.
two or three people have mentioned the hardware they use. Why dont you copy those mails and paste them in the wiki - it will be a start
On 28/09/06 06:32 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 28-Sep-06, at 9:31 PM, Rony wrote:
I would highly appreciate if the big players can provide these details, at least for 5 latest mobos used for their clients.
two or three people have mentioned the hardware they use. Why dont you copy those mails and paste them in the wiki - it will be a start
Rony is looking for people who have recently bought hardware which works with Linux. None of the systems listed are really new and "Lamington Road" types. What he needs to go and see is the Hardware Compatibility Lists of various distros and then stick to them. But that hardware might just not be available in the local market, and he has no idea whether newer hardware will work.
As I put in my mail, our newer hardware is from Sun.
Devdas Bhagat
Devdas Bhagat wrote:
Rony is looking for people who have recently bought hardware which works with Linux. None of the systems listed are really new and "Lamington Road" types. What he needs to go and see is the Hardware Compatibility Lists of various distros and then stick to them. But that hardware might just not be available in the local market, and he has no idea whether newer hardware will work.
As I put in my mail, our newer hardware is from Sun.
Exactly. Does Sun give desktops too? And are they available without unix installed?
Regards,
Rony.
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On 29/09/06 14:33 +0530, Rony wrote: <snip>
Exactly. Does Sun give desktops too? And are they available without unix installed?
Sun workstations are Sparc boxes (or Sun rays).
If you want Intel compatible stuff, HP has a line of desktops, as does Lenovo. Getting them barebones might be difficult though.
Devdas Bhagat
On 29/09/06 14:33 +0530, Rony wrote:
Exactly. Does Sun give desktops too? And are they available without unix installed?
http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp
They appear to have Opteron workstations too, and they support Win32/Win64 as well. Definitely not cheap stuff.
Devdas Bhagat
Devdas Bhagat wrote:
On 29/09/06 14:33 +0530, Rony wrote:
Exactly. Does Sun give desktops too? And are they available without unix installed?
http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp
They appear to have Opteron workstations too, and they support Win32/Win64 as well. Definitely not cheap stuff.
Hmm. I just visited the sun India website. Their starting desktop is above 55K and that too without monitor and keyboard.
So for Linux compatibility, a fully branded pc is required.
Regards,
Rony.
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On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 14:55 +0530, Rony wrote:
So for Linux compatibility, a fully branded pc is required.
hi, I think you're missing the point here. Getting a fully functional box requires you to spend - either money or time+effort.
This is independent of your OS choice. When you buy a box off the shelf, you incur M$ tax. If you want to avoid that, you can
- spend time verifying that each bit of hardware is compatible with the distro of your choice
or
- spend money and get a branded box that is known to work with a specific distro
or
- spend effort and build a distro from scratch that will work with all the hardware that you have chosen.
or
- spend money to get someone to do any of the above.
or
- live with a box that works in parts.
I don't think there's a shortcut there.
-gabin
On 28/09/06 15:18 +0530, Gabin Kattukaran wrote:
On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 14:55 +0530, Rony wrote:
So for Linux compatibility, a fully branded pc is required.
hi, I think you're missing the point here. Getting a fully functional box requires you to spend - either money or time+effort.
This is independent of your OS choice. When you buy a box off the shelf, you incur M$ tax. If you want to avoid that, you can
Or Apple tax (or ...). s/M$/vendor/. It isn't just MSFT to blame here.
Devdas Bhagat
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 15:30 +0530, Devdas Bhagat wrote:
On 28/09/06 15:18 +0530, Gabin Kattukaran wrote:
hi, I think you're missing the point here. Getting a fully functional box requires you to spend - either money or time+effort.
This is independent of your OS choice. When you buy a box off the shelf, you incur M$ tax. If you want to avoid that, you can
Or Apple tax (or ...). s/M$/vendor/. It isn't just MSFT to blame here.
True. I said M$ tax only because that is, by far, the most common. The same could be said for Apple, Red Hat, Novell etc. In essence, most vendors who sell you a per seat license fall into this category.
Before the flames begin, I'm not saying that this tax collection is inherently evil. The vendor has spent a certain amount of money+time +effort+ISV arm twisting to ensure that the delivered system appear to work in the hands of the user. This is recovered in the form of the said tax.
-gabin
On Thursday 28 September 2006 15:18, Gabin Kattukaran wrote:
On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 14:55 +0530, Rony wrote:
So for Linux compatibility, a fully branded pc is required.
hi, I think you're missing the point here. Getting a fully functional box requires you to spend - either money or time+effort.
Or setup a supply chain from taiwan / china.
The system is loaded against new entrants - artifically. As long as u play the incumbents game and are a willing puppet u will be thrown crumbs. If u try to break away u are breaking the upstream pyramid and a few up there dislike it immensely. So NDA and upgrade and new hardware.
Sometime on Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 02:55:25PM +0530, Rony said:
Hmm. I just visited the sun India website. Their starting desktop is above 55K and that too without monitor and keyboard.
So for Linux compatibility, a fully branded pc is required.
My HP office desktop with Celeron D processor costed me 18K (has everything except cdrom drive). And each bit of hardware works out of the box.
Anurag
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 21:31 +0530, Rony wrote:
My query was not related to an install how-to but to know what hardware is being used by the experts for their business. While everyone is giving details of their own hardware, what I would like to know is the motherboards used for customers' workstations. The reason is that for
For desktop, the Intel mobos, the D945* series, should be well supported by the latest Linux distros.
For desktops: I installed Fedora Core 5 on a D945GTP mobo and all devices were detected out of the box. The mobo has integrated graphics which is well supported by the Xorg drivers including 3D acceleration. It has socket 775 and supports Celeron to Dual Core. My system has 2.66GHz dual core with 512MB RAM (32MB for video). IMO, this is a darn good board for functionality/price combo. I recommend it for a desktop roll out.
For notebooks: OpenSuSE 10.1 installed flawlessly on a Toshiba Satellite M105-S3041 notebook - detected all hardware including WiFi b/g. On the other hand, I have not been able to get WiFI and 3D accel to work on a Compaq V2000 series notebook (AMD Sempron 3000+, WiFi is Broadcom chip and Video is ATI 200M).
HTH, Arun Khan
Dinesh Shah wrote:
On 9/24/06, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
linux . Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months?
That will be long list. However, I would suggest that you avoid ASUS MBs like plague. They simpply suck.
Dear Dinesh,
Ok agreed. Lets narrow down the list to only 5 motherboard models per member.
Regards,
Rony.
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On 25-Sep-06, at 2:45 PM, Rony wrote:
Ok agreed. Lets narrow down the list to only 5 motherboard models per member.
quota raj rears its head again
On Sunday 24 September 2006 15:49, Rony wrote:
Whenever there have been arguments on this list about linux compatible hardware, the experts are of the opinion that they select their hardware in such a way that its compatible to linux without any extra effort. So here is a request to all the experts to provide some information on the motherboards and processors they use, that are directly compatible to linux . Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months?
I've always been an Intel user and its going to stay that way :P. Anyway, I have been using the Intel D865GBF motherboard. When buying hardware _for_ Linux remember the following: 1. Should be standard stuff ( No fancy stuff with too many onboard thingies ). 2. Should be from a very well known brand. I usually buy boards made by intel itself. 3. If you are planning to buy add on cards ( that cool new gfx card ) or the likes, ensure that there are mature _open source drivers_. 4. Always ask around for compatibility issues.
I only had problems once with my new intel board and RH9. But it was because the board was manufactured around 2-3 months after RH9 was released. Everything now works like a charm on FC2 :)
On 9/24/06, Rony ronbillypop@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Hello All,
Whenever there have been arguments on this list about linux compatible hardware, the experts are of the opinion that they select their hardware in such a way that its compatible to linux without any extra effort. So here is a request to all the experts to provide some information on the motherboards and processors they use, that are directly compatible to linux . Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months?
this reminds me of customers who would come and tell me "before we buy your software you have to give me in writing with wat will it work. " and then we would have them choose the version of os first .... and then they would ask things like " how well will this device work with your driver " and then they will have more questions.
whn you say hardware compatibile linux you are like saying what average will i get if a drive a car in india. so there are suvs and muvs and there are marutis and hyndias and different segments right ?
you the best way would be to do is first know flavor of linux you want to run - trying to instal suse 8 on some hardware that hit the street 2 weeks back is crazy right ? so once u know typically how your os will look like you choose your favorite mbds ... and see how compatible they are .
you could pay for support for ubuntu , rh, novell and ask them for installation support. they would be able tell you what hardware is supported and what service pack levels
if you have heard of certifications it is usually a good idea to look it up for your hardware with your vendor of linux .
eg http://developer.novell.com/yessearch/Search.jsp ... i m sure other popular flavors wud have a similar effort too
Regards,
Rony.
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