Hi guys,
This vacancy is for Orios Ltd. Those interested may submit their updated Resumes with salary expectations and notice period to zeligsolutions@gmail.com.
Regards, Siddhesh
Job Title: Sr. System Administrator
Location : Mumbai
Qualification:
* An Engineering Graduate from the I.T. stream. OR A Graduate / Masters degree holder with post graduation qualifications in software development with work experience in the day to day management of tech team members * RHCE certifications a distinct advantage.
Age: 28+ years
Experience:
* Should have worked of a reputed IT company for more than 4 years. * Experience in a E commerce company preferred. * Highly proficient in Linux and Windows
Principal Accountabilities:
1 Good Communication Skills 2 Implementation of best practices for IT infrastructure 3 Good Vendor Management Skills 4 Capacity to secure networks, well versed with intrusion detection and other security related concepts 5 Well versed with Windows and Linux OS 6 Ensure smooth running of IT infrastructure 7 Management of Web servers
On 1/16/06, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
Age: 28+ years
quite an interesting requirement.
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 12:11 pm, SeekingGyan wrote:
Age: 28+ years
quite an interesting requirement.
i *knew* someone would pick up on this
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 12:11 pm, SeekingGyan wrote:
Age: 28+ years
quite an interesting requirement.
i *knew* someone would pick up on this
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
Regards Saswata
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 4:09 pm, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
i *knew* someone would pick up on this
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
as long as you avoid the really ancient over the hill over 30 ppl
--- Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@thenilgiris.com wrote:
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 4:09 pm, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
i *knew* someone would pick up on this Â
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
as long as you avoid the really ancient over the hill over 30 ppl
You mean like Al Gore? It would be a mistake you know. He invented the Internet after all.
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On Tuesday 17 January 2006 4:21 pm, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Tuesday 17 Jan 2006 4:09 pm, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
i *knew* someone would pick up on this
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
as long as you avoid the really ancient over the hill over 30 ppl
Sob sniffle. That makes me feel over the hill and under the earth. Not a major problem as long as u keep reading heavily. In fact indepth knowledge of legacy systems keeps u in great demand.
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 16:09, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
yeah yeah thats upto the employer. But if compensated properly young people can stick on to one job. And if a 30+ guy gets a better offer then there isn't any guarantee that he will continue working for you. The experience is quite questionable. There isn't really any relation between age and amount of knowledge, experience especially in this field. The other qualities like problem solving ability, stability etc... are again upto the individual. He might be young but just as cool and calm as anybody!
Regards,
If they are not ready for age < 28 cos they feel those people won't stay for too long. Are they sure people above 28 will stay for sure? If yes, then why would 28+ leave their current job for them? I think that's a very stupid clause.
On 1/17/06, DJ dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 16:09, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
yeah yeah thats upto the employer. But if compensated properly young people can stick on to one job. And if a 30+ guy gets a better offer then there isn't any guarantee that he will continue working for you. The experience is quite questionable. There isn't really any relation between age and amount of knowledge, experience especially in this field. The other qualities like problem solving ability, stability etc... are again upto the individual. He might be young but just as cool and calm as anybody!
Regards,
Dinesh A. Joshi
--- mehul mehul.forums@gmail.com wrote:
If they are not ready for age < 28 cos they feel those people won't stay for too long. Are they sure people above 28 will stay for sure? If yes, then why would 28+ leave their current job for them? I think that's a very stupid clause.
But then there is no gaurantee that an IItian with a certain % and number of degrees attached to his/her name will perform exceptionally well and better than someone who did not receive a formal college education. Ofcourse probability wise, the IItian is a safer bet.
Companies are free to come up with whatever criteria they deem fit. In the absence of anti-discriminatory laws and its implementation, there is not bar from setting whatever criteria an organization deems fit. Same way employees are free to reject a company based on the criteria as determined by them. There is no gaurantee that a company that pays them the most or is closer to their house may be the best company fo them.
Even the Central Govt as well as the Armed forces have age limits. Some employers tend to not hire female workers with kids as they feel they will not give in the "extra" time that has become a norm now. Some employers will hire only females (like secretary/typist/receptionist) kind of job. and so on....
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Well abhishek I agree with your point too. But, that was my point of view so I wrote it that way. I still feel its a bit funny but I may be wrong too.
mehul wrote:
If they are not ready for age < 28 cos they feel those people won't stay for too long. Are they sure people above 28 will stay for sure? If yes, then why would 28+ leave their current job for them? I think that's a very stupid clause.
It is not that people over 30 dont change their jobs. They just change with lesser frequency. There is no guarantee that a person will stay for x years (or months), but in general trend, you will find people who are above 30 change jobs less due to extraneous reasons - family, stability, and a bit of inertia. A 22 year old will jump jobs in 3 months time even for a Rs. 2,500 difference in salary level. This is a proven trend.
In our consulting work, we have seen, specially in software, younger people just walking out without notice and a manpower turnover ratio of 100%-150% per year among the younger employees and seen it dropping to as low as 25% for those in 35-40 bracket. Above 45, the turnover ratio drops to 15%. (These from our experiance, not from published data)
Regards Saswata
On 1/17/06, DJ dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 16:09, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
yeah yeah thats upto the employer. But if compensated properly young people can stick on to one job. And if a 30+ guy gets a better offer then there isn't any guarantee that he will continue working for you. The experience is quite questionable. There isn't really any relation between age and amount of knowledge, experience especially in this field. The other qualities like problem solving ability, stability etc... are again upto the individual. He might be young but just as cool and calm as anybody!
Regards,
Dinesh A. Joshi
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 10:44, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote:
It is not that people over 30 dont change their jobs. They just change with lesser frequency. There is no guarantee that a person will stay for x years (or months), but in general trend, you will find people who are above 30 change jobs less due to extraneous reasons - family, stability, and a bit of inertia. A 22 year old will jump jobs in 3 months time even for a Rs. 2,500 difference in salary level. This is a proven trend.
In our consulting work, we have seen, specially in software, younger people just walking out without notice and a manpower turnover ratio of 100%-150% per year among the younger employees and seen it dropping to as low as 25% for those in 35-40 bracket. Above 45, the turnover ratio drops to 15%. (These from our experiance, not from published data)
I will have to agree here. Numbers never lie!
On 1/17/06, Saswata Banerjee & Associates scrapo@saswatabanerjee.com wrote:>
i *knew* someone would pick up on this
Go for older people (I have grey hair) empower them. Actually it makes sense. The younger ones are brash, unstable and change jobs too fast. Besides, a person nearer to 30 will have additional practical experiance and use it to solve business problems faster and more efficiently.
Hi Saswata,
I think I agree with you for this. But seriously wondering how can a person come to a number like 28. I think requirement could be phrased like - committed to employer and married to work .
Any idea how long will this thread go on ? We have had absolutely useless threads almost 50 messages long we already at 17.
Regards Harsh
--- SeekingGyan linuxlinux@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Saswata,
I think I agree with you for this. But seriously wondering how can a person come to a number like 28. I think requirement could be phrased like - committed to employer and married to work .
Any idea how long will this thread go on ? We have had absolutely useless threads almost 50 messages long we already at 17.
Which means we have atleast 33 more to go before we equal the record. 28 is not an unreasonable number. assuming that the person has graduated with an Engg degree at 22 and then immediately did his masters and completed that at 24. then 4 yr of serious work ex would make him/her a senior sys admin?
But coming to the point again, that there are no guidelines or rules that dictate how job listings should be worded. Maybe JTD or Saswata can throw some light on this.
The question is not how long will this thread go on, but how to make it legit by adding some bit about FOSS.
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On Wednesday 18 Jan 2006 11:32 am, Abhishek Daga wrote:
Which means we have atleast 33 more to go before we equal the record. 28 is not an unreasonable number
lets go for the record ;-) I can think of several reasons for the 28 year restriction:
among them:
1. junior admin is 27 years old - so senior should be older 2. boss wants to get his 24 year old daughter married off 3. a useless relation of the boss is trying to get in and he is 27 years old 4. company has a policy for minimum age for each rank 5. all the existing employees are below 28 - boss wants to bring in outside blood without annoying the insiders 6. it was a typo in the original
etc etc etc
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 11:32 am, Abhishek Daga wrote:
But coming to the point again, that there are no guidelines or rules that dictate how job listings should be worded. Maybe JTD or Saswata can throw some light on this.
There are laws which clearly state that requirements should be non discriminatory. If the requirement says age less than 28yrs and someone goes to the labour court, the management better have a sound reason for putting that requirement. Ditto for sex and experience.
The question is not how long will this thread go on, but how to make it legit by adding some bit about FOSS.
Nothing to do with foss. But plenty to do with HR. Anyway since we hardly seem to have problems with FOSS and newbies are finally googling, we might as well speak about something rather than nothing.
On Wednesday 18 Jan 2006 12:21 pm, JTD wrote:
There are laws which clearly state that requirements should be non discriminatory
not for age - max min age is at the discretion of the employer
On 1/18/06, JTD jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
The question is not how long will this thread go on, but how to make it legit by adding some bit about FOSS.
Nothing to do with foss. But plenty to do with HR. Anyway since we hardly seem to have problems with FOSS and newbies are finally googling, we might as well speak about something rather than nothing.
OK This calls for *this customary post*
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On Wednesday 18 January 2006 1:39 pm, Vinayak Hegde wrote:
On 1/18/06, JTD jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
The question is not how long will this thread go on, but how to make it legit by adding some bit about FOSS.
Nothing to do with foss. But plenty to do with HR. Anyway since we hardly seem to have problems with FOSS and newbies are finally googling, we might as well speak about something rather than nothing.
OK This calls for *this customary post*
/* The list is going to the dogs :) */
ps : can we please be more on-topic here. A lot more people than you realise are subscribed to this mailing list. Most of them are subscribed to multiple ML and could do without junk mail.
agreed. Next time all replies and comments to jobs and commercial mails should go directly to the op not to the list.
On Wednesday 18 Jan 2006 4:01 pm, JTD wrote:
agreed. Next time all replies and comments to jobs and commercial mails should go directly to the op not to the list.
unless the replies/comments are on topic
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 06:41, SeekingGyan wrote:
On 1/16/06, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
Age: 28+ years
quite an interesting requirement.
You beat me to it. Siddesh could you explain this requirement? Do you want a sys-admin or do you want a 28 year old guy?
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 18:15, Mukund Deshmukh wrote:
You beat me to it. Siddesh could you explain this requirement? Do you want a sys-admin or do you want a 28 year old guy?
Why can't it be (Sysadmin && age >28)
Why cant it be just Sys-admin? IMHO age factor shouldn't prevent a person from getting a job.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 06:15:54PM +0530, Mukund Deshmukh wrote:
You beat me to it. Siddesh could you explain this requirement? Do you want a sys-admin or do you want a 28 year old guy?
Why can't it be (Sysadmin && age >28)
Plenty of good sysadmins 28 and under.
You beat me to it. Siddesh could you explain this requirement? Do you want a sys-admin or do you want a 28 year old guy?
Hey, don't shoot the messenger dude ;-)
This is what was written on the requirement doc my mother got (she's a freelance recruiter). I simply copy-pasted it here. I guess you could translate this as someone with over 5-6 years experience in System Administration.
Siddhesh
Sometime on Jan 17, SP cobbled together some glyphs to say:
translate this as someone with over 5-6 years experience in System Administration.
which could translate to someone who is 20-21 years of age (assuming you wanted graduates).
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