On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 14:50 +0530, Anurag wrote:

Sometime on Sunday 11 February 2007 14:39, Sudhir Gandotra said:

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On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 16:12 -0800, Mukund Deshmukh wrote:

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Hi, I brought a new laptop HP nx6310. Any suggestion for linux installation? I am looking at ubuntu 6.10 Has any one used ubuntu on nx6310?

You may like to try OpenLX - works like a breeze.

Hi Sudhir, You've been posting your suggestion of OpenLX far too many times here on the list. So much so that it looks like you are doing it just for publicity.

Anurag

Dear Anurag,

If giving the same suggestion to different people is a crime, let me know. I am only trying to be of help.

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:22 +0530, Anurag wrote:

Sometime on Sunday 11 February 2007 15:09, Sudhir Gandotra said:

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If giving the same suggestion to different people is a crime, let me know. I am only trying to be of help.

hi sudhir, take it easy. i'm just saying my personal opinion. i have nothing against your product and services :)

Anurag

Thanks a lot Anurag for clarifying. On my part, I was only trying to be helpful, knowing myself the solution to the question being asked.

On 2/11/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:

On 11-Feb-07, at 2:50 PM, Anurag wrote:

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Hi Sudhir, You've been posting your suggestion of OpenLX far too many times here on the list. So much so that it looks like you are doing it just for publicity.

isnt it also a commercial thingie?

really? did u chk the site ? i cudnt see a price for dlding/ordering ... did u ?

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On 11-Feb-07, at 3:57 PM, Sudhir Gandotra wrote:

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really? did u chk the site ? i cudnt see a price for dlding/ ordering ... did u ?

For free download of OpenLX : http://www.openlx.com/download.html

i stand corrected

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:30 +0700, Harsh Busa wrote:

On 2/11/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:

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On 11-Feb-07, at 3:57 PM, Sudhir Gandotra wrote:

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really? did u chk the site ? i cudnt see a price for dlding/ ordering ... did u ?

For free download of OpenLX : http://www.openlx.com/download.html

i stand corrected

the link nowhere said commercial / price or anything. sudhir is openlx priced per use or only for support ?

HRB

OpenLX is GNU-GPL Licensed and hence free for download, use, sharing, etc... The Media is sold at very reasonable prices (www.openlx.com/products.html) for those who chose to get it ready. Support is on paid basis, depending on what one wants. There is no per-seat / per-copy / per-user license.

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 22:56 +0530, Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote:

Hi

On 2/11/07, Sudhir Gandotra sudhir@openlx.com wrote:

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OpenLX is GNU-GPL Licensed and hence free for download, use, sharing, etc... The Media is sold at very reasonable prices (www.openlx.com/products.html) for those who chose to get it ready. Support is on paid basis, depending on what one wants. There is no per-seat / per-copy / per-user license.

    Hey, nice to know more about your product. Just curious,

Which distro is OpenLx based on? What about updates? Can we somehow update packages to latest versions?

    Cheers!

Pradeepto

OpenLX is based on RPMs. Updates will soon be available from website. And, yes, the basic desktop version can be upgraded to the Server version (from website, once available) and also from the Server version media itself. Smart package manager is configured for this purpose.

On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 04:12 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On 12-Feb-07, at 12:43 AM, Sudhir Gandotra wrote:

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OpenLX is based on RPMs. Updates will soon be available from website. And, yes, the basic desktop version can be upgraded to the Server version (from website, once available) and also from the Server version media itself. Smart package manager is configured for this purpose.

heard it was based on/fork of centos. If so is it a fork or do you

will be interesting to know the source from where you heard that.

follow the centos upgrade path? Is the full source available for download?

in near future, it will be on the website.

For free download of OpenLX : http://www.openlx.com/download.html

For free download of Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.debian.org/CD/

For Debian Freedom info : http://www.debian.org/intro/free

For the Debian Social contract : http://www.debian.org/social_contract

For Debian Free Software Guidelines FAQ : http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html

A distro is a LOT more than just a source and/or binary download link. It's a testament to the spirit of FOSS which the community stands for.

Regards,

- vihan

I don't mind downloading the dvds and mailing/courier to someone in India:) all free for the community ofcourse:)

Regards, Dinesh Birlasekaran Network Engineer, ComIT, Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology 61 Biopolis Drive, Singapore 138673 HP : 92962676 DID : 65869804 Fax : 67791117 Email : dinesh@imcb.a-star.edu.sg WWW: www.imcb.a-star.edu.sg

-----Original Message----- From: linuxers-bounces@mm.glug-bom.org [mailto:linuxers-bounces@mm.glug-bom.org] On Behalf Of Pradeepto Bhattacharya Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:04 PM To: GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Ubuntu 6.10

Hi,

On 2/12/07, Vihan Pandey vihanpandey@gmail.com wrote:

For free download of Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.debian.org/CD/

A distro is a LOT more than just a source and/or binary download link.

It's

a testament to the spirit of FOSS which the community stands for.

Right. What are the chances of you getting be those nice 3 dvds of etch? ;) (I would have done it, but I really don't have the mood download 12 GB of data over 256 connection). I give good bribes, you probably know that already, don't you? ;)

Cheers!

Pradeepto

On Monday 12 Feb 2007 14:38:29 Vihan Pandey wrote:

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     Right. What are the chances of you getting be those nice 3

dvds of etch? ;) (I would have done it, but I really don't have the mood download 12 GB of data over 256 connection). I give good bribes, you probably know that already, don't you? ;)

:-) You will be the 1st one to know as soon as i finish downloading. i got

the 1st DVD iso, and have nearly finished downloading the 2nd. For those on the list, i'll let all of know as well then we can start sharing.

Oi, don't forget me!

On 2/12/07, G Karunakar wrote:

On 2/12/07, Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote:

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     Right. What are the chances of you getting be those nice 3

dvds of etch? ;) (I would have done it, but I really don't have the mood download 12 GB of data over 256 connection). I give good bribes, you probably know that already, don't you? ;)

I have a 20GB local mirror of etch (i386 + amd64) if someone wants.. offcourse its in delhi (Sarai).. anyone welcome to come to Sarai with a disk and make a copy.. was waiting for final release to happen for downloading official etch DVDs..

Just to add its updated weekly...

Karunakar

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On 12-Feb-07, at 12:13 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:

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A distro is a LOT more than just a source and/or binary download link. It's a testament to the spirit of FOSS which the community stands for.

Openlx has only a ISO download - there is no mention anywhere of any offer of source code, so it is not GPL software and the mention of GPL should be removed as that is a misrepresentation. And if it is based on some other GPL'd distro, then it is also guilty of GPL violation.

nice FUD there..

GPL doesn't mention that the source be freely available as a *download*.. however it *must* be provided on request / demand and you *CAN* charge a reasonable amount for media/shipping if you cannot host the source. If the GPL license is included with a distro (binary), then you *can* ask the distributer for the source and he/she ought to oblige.

From the fine gnu general public license: You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.

let the flames begin.. - dhawal

On 2/12/07, Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon@au-kbc.org wrote:

I did not ask for it for free. I just pointed out that it does not seem to be available, and i have asked the owner on this thread where it is available, but he has not answered.

i m a little confused . why are u asking on the thread . ask openlx for it. did u email/call/yell ? did they refuse to share it ?

Harsh

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On 12-Feb-07, at 1:26 PM, Harsh Busa wrote:

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it is available, but he has not answered.

i m a little confused . why are u asking on the thread . ask openlx for it. did u email/call/yell ? did they refuse to share it ?

i dont want to waste bandwidth first downloading and then asking. I dont see why he cant clarify the position

he did, he said it'll be available soon on the website.. expecting him to answer "where is the full source available now?" is being unreasonable and doesn't require any further clarification..

- dhawal

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On 12-Feb-07, at 2:24 PM, Dhawal Doshy wrote:

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i m a little confused . why are u asking on the thread . ask openlx for it. did u email/call/yell ? did they refuse to share it ?

i dont want to waste bandwidth first downloading and then asking. I dont see why he cant clarify the position

he did, he said it'll be available soon on the website.. expecting him to answer "where is the full source available now?" is being unreasonable and doesn't require any further clarification..

your standards are obviously different from mine. But when a product is pushed as GPL and Open Source and heavily recommended on this list, blah blah - without putting up the source code even 2 years after release, I tend to be highly suspicious about the freeness and opensoureceness of the product.

Again (and you know this), they do not have to put up the source code publicly.. but only provide it to someone who has downloaded / received the binary product. Download their ISO and push them for the source to the brink of their being suicidal.

ok - in hairsplitting legalistic terms I am being unreasonable, but would warn any users that the lack of transparency here may lead to problems tomorrow.

Agreed.. and if you do not get a satisfactory response and commitment from openlx (preferably through a private communication) then kindly enlighten the rest of us.. who then ought to give them some nice *unwanted* publicity..

cheers, - dhawal

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:24:16 +0530, Dhawal Doshy said:

he did, he said it'll be available soon on the website.. expecting him to answer "where is the full source available now?" is being unreasonable and doesn't require any further clarification..

Perhaps the response could have been worded more diplomatically, but legally, the question remains valid: people should be prepared to provide the source as soon as the binaries are published. An I correct in my understanding that the binaries have been around for more than a few weeks now? If so, I do believe that there might be copyright violation in progress (what Miscrosoft terms software piracy); and for Debian derived distributions, I am an injured party, and would appreciate knowing the answer.

manoj

On 13/02/07, Mukund Deshmukh mukund.deshmukh@gmail.com wrote:

HA! HA!! HA!!!. I am the OP, the thread is hijacked. I wanted to know if any one tried Ubuntu 6.10 on HP nx6310? Can any one spare Ubuntu / Xbuntu 6.10 CD ?

I'm using Ubuntu 6.10 on HP nx6110 (earlier it had 6.06). Working absolutely fine.

Go ahead .... are you based in mumbai?

Regards, Ranjeet Walunj

On 2/12/07, Dhawal Doshy dhawal@netmagicsolutions.com wrote:

he did, he said it'll be available soon on the website.. expecting him to answer "where is the full source available now?" is being unreasonable and doesn't require any further clarification..

Why is it unreasonable?

On Monday 12 February 2007 14:13, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On 12-Feb-07, at 1:26 PM, Harsh Busa wrote:

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it is available, but he has not answered.

i m a little confused . why are u asking on the thread . ask openlx for it. did u email/call/yell ? did they refuse to share it ?

i dont want to waste bandwidth first downloading and then asking. I dont see why he cant clarify the position

The usual digging a deep hole before diving into it. I find the contortions that the commercial distros undergo to get a customer locked in thoroughly amusing. If only they spend half the effort in actually improving support (to be read as actually following the spirit of the gpl.). Or be upfront about payed support. If anything they should be offering the code and charging for the binary which is a pain in the ass to compile and maintain.

On 2/11/07, Anurag anurag@gnuer.org wrote:

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You may like to try OpenLX - works like a breeze.

Hi Sudhir, You've been posting your suggestion of OpenLX far too many times here on the list. So much so that it looks like you are doing it just for publicity.

He owns OpenLX Inc.

http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/05/1833211&tid=132&am...