Hi Luggers,
I think its about time we held an installfest. I know a couple of college students who want to use Linux but are unable to install it. Let's host it somewhere and announce to the masses.
--- Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
Hi Luggers,
I think its about time we held an installfest. I know a couple of college students who want to use Linux but are unable to install it. Let's host it somewhere and announce to the masses.
Great idea! The current time seems to be ideal for such events. Ofcourse, only those who are actually interested, would turn up. More inputs required!
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I think its about time we held an installfest. I know a couple of college students who want to use Linux but are unable to install it. Let's host it somewhere and announce to the masses.
i'm in. Let's do this.
In fact if people want to get laptops, let's enchourage that as well.
Regards,
- vihan
--- Vihan Pandey wrote:
i'm in. Let's do this.
In fact if people want to get laptops, let's enchourage that as well.
Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have developed a disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler.
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Hi,
On 4/15/07, Roshan d_rosh2001@yahoo.co.in wrote:
--- Vihan Pandey wrote:
Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have developed a disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler.
Oh boy! Another convert! /me does the welcome dance!
You know what, you if you can get RHIDE to work, you won't miss TCIDE too much. I have never seen it work on a linux box and used it in a long while. It was uber cool IDE - complete look-alike of TC/Borland ncurses based IDE with more features iirc. I used to use it on Win98 with DJGPP ( dos port of gcc ) back in 2000-03. It worked like a charm. Ofcourse, there are like random number of IDEs if you care to use them - KDevelop, Eclipse et al.
Btw, what about your friends, get them to move to gcc/g++ even.
And that reminds, Debarshi had recently posted a screencast[1] on gcc. I think that will be a good starter.
[1] http://glug-nith.org/~rishi/download/gcc.ogg [Note: its a slow college connection, it will take some time to fetch that file. If you want it bad enough, nag Debarshi, he will surely put it somewhere else. Or better still offer him some space for such nice stuff.]
Cheers!
Pradeepto
--- Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi,
On 4/15/07, Roshan wrote:
Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have
developed a
disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler.
Oh boy! Another convert! /me does thewelcome dance!
:).
Actually, I use both TCIDE and GCC. When I have to write ANSI C code, I use GCC. All that I can do, currently, is write code in Kate / Kwrite, compile it, generate the file for executing the program and use the -time parameter while doing this. It was a bit difficult initially, due to "bad" habits of the IDE. ;)
But I haven't involved myself completely, for forking a project (irrespective of its size) in C, using GCC.
You know what, you if you can get RHIDE towork, you won't miss TCIDE too much. I have never seen it work on a linux box and used it in a long while. It was uber cool IDE - complete look-alike of TC/Borland ncurses based IDE with more features iirc. I used to use it on Win98 with DJGPP ( dos port of gcc ) back in 2000-03. It worked like a charm. Ofcourse, there are like random number of IDEs if you care to use them - KDevelop, Eclipse et al.
Umm, I didn't know about RHIDE. I had heard about KDevelop and Eclipse.
Btw, what about your friends, get them tomove to gcc/g++ even.
They are comfortable using TC++ 3.0 on windows. They probably won't give a try using GCC on windows. Therefore I suggested inclusion of a session of GCC as well. Be it on Windows or the Linux distro of their choice. I'm sure, quite a lot of this list's members started with GCC, and they can demonstrate a "How-To" on GCC w. r. t. TC++ 3.0
And that reminds, Debarshi had recentlyposted a screencast[1] on gcc. I think that will be a good starter. [1] http://glug-nith.org/~rishi/download/gcc.ogg [Note: its a slow college connection, it will take some time to fetch that file. If you want it bad enough, nag Debarshi, he will surely put it somewhere else. Or better still offer him some space for such nice stuff.]
Umm, I planned to download it. The size is in two-digit MB's, I guess, so I had to cancel it. If I save (and I will make an effort) to save MB's for this month's quota, I'll download it and put it on the Mesh repo, next week.
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Hi,
On 4/15/07, Roshan d_rosh2001@yahoo.co.in wrote:
Umm, I didn't know about RHIDE. I had heard about KDevelop and Eclipse.
Check http://www.rhide.com/ , I don't think its maintained anymore, which is a shame. But try if you can get it working on your box. I tried once long time back and failed, never tried again.
They are comfortable using TC++ 3.0 on windows. They probably won't give a try using GCC on windows.
Being comfortable and that too just for the timebeing since they are in college is no excuse not to move to a better tool etc. TC is not used in any production environment afaict. All that will happen is when they get some highpaying jobs at Baripro or Foofosysor some hotshot company or whatever - they will have VC++ or gcc ( or something else ) slapped on their face, not a problem because in most of them will undergo training.
Cheers!
Pradeepto
On 4/15/07, Pradeepto Bhattacharya pradeeptob@gmail.com wrote:
And that reminds, Debarshi had recently posted ascreencast[1] on gcc. I think that will be a good starter.
[1] http://glug-nith.org/~rishi/download/gcc.ogg [Note: its aslow college connection, it will take some time to fetch that file. If you want it bad enough, nag Debarshi, he will surely put it somewhere else. Or better still offer him some space for such nice stuff.]
I tried downloading it a few days back, The maximum I managed to download is 112kb
On 15-Apr-07, at 11:51 AM, Roshan wrote:
In fact if people want to get laptops, let's enchourage that as well.
Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have developed a disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler.
why? dont forget borland pascal and borland c opened up the world of programming with low cost compilers in bye-gone days.
--- Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On 15-Apr-07, at 11:51 AM, Roshan wrote:
In fact if people want to get laptops, let's enchourage that as well.
Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have
developed a
disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler.
why?
It is a 16-bit compiler on a 32 bit microprocessor. I wouldn't mind using (both) GCC and Turbo C/C++ IDE, but not the older version. Apparently, it (3.0) tends to be (and propagated) as the _only_ compiler that the "C" programming language in its entirety, for newbies.
BTW, we have shifted the focus. Any details about the installfest from other interested students on this list? Any venue? Time and date?
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On 4/15/07, Roshan d_rosh2001@yahoo.co.in wrote:
Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have developed a disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler.
I am also interested in having a session on GCC, I am sure I will learn quite a few things from you people. As I have just started with C this will be really nice for me.
On Monday 16 Apr 2007 11:44:16 mehul wrote:
On 4/15/07, Roshan d_rosh2001@yahoo.co.in wrote:
Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have developed a disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler.
I am also interested in having a session on GCC, I am sure I will learn quite a few things from you people. As I have just started with C this will be really nice for me.
What are you talking about? Let's compare Firebird and PostgreSQL. We all know that MySQL sucks!
--- Mrugesh Karnik wrote:
What are you talking about? Let's compare Firebird and PostgreSQL. We all know that MySQL sucks!
Eh?
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On Wednesday 18 Apr 2007 12:53:16 Vihan Pandey wrote:
What are you talking about? Let's compare Firebird and PostgreSQL. We all know that MySQL sucks!
And your reason for saying that is - technical or ethical or business or what ?
Neither. I'm just learning sarcasm.
And I don't think MySQL sucks. As of right now, I have no preference in databases.
On 18-Apr-07, at 12:53 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
What are you talking about? Let's compare Firebird and PostgreSQL. We all know that MySQL sucks!
And your reason for saying that is - technical or ethical or business or what ?
does one need a reason for speaking the truth?
On 18-Apr-07, at 3:06 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
does one need a reason for speaking the truth?
Does one need a reason to know the opinion of a fellow glugger?
old, but imho, still valid:
http://lawgon.livejournal.com/10240.html
old, but imho, still valid:
Interesting read :-)
Of course the statement ``writing huge amounts of extra code to do by myself what the rdbms is supposed to do" is quite extreme because of a simple reason - we do NEED databases and relational databases.
In fact legacy systems had faced many problems because everything was hardcoded and flat files(and nothing else) were the order of the day. This is where reading things for basic concepts makes a difference. In fact when i was studying databases in college there was a ton of database theory to be read, it REALLY annoyed me because i thought if i could write SQL i knew databases.
Only when i got assosciated with live projects that i understood what an idiot i had been for taking them(database theory and concepts) for granted.
In the light of your article, the introduction chapter in Korth, Sudarshan, Silberschatz makes a ton of sense(yet again).
Also, i've learned one thing our database thinking MUST be product agnostic. As in - DFD's, ER-diagram's, and EER-diagram's have nothing to do with which DB/SQL you use. A join is a join(be it of any type) after you decide how it must happen, you refer to your DB product manual and figure it out :-)
Regards,
- vihan
On 18-Apr-07, at 5:20 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote:
Of course the statement ``writing huge amounts of extra code to do by myself what the rdbms is supposed to do" is quite extreme because of a simple reason - we do NEED databases and relational databases.
remember - i am a layman.
In fact legacy systems had faced many problems because everything was hardcoded and flat files(and nothing else) were the order of the day. This is where reading things for basic concepts makes a difference. In fact when i was studying databases in college there was a ton of database theory to be read, it REALLY annoyed me because i thought if i could write SQL i knew databases.
when i was in college, there wasnt much database theory. SQL had not been invented. I am talking from the point of view of the non-IT person who has been pulled into programming by the opportunities given by the open source world - and huge numbers of people like me have got screwed up by mysql
Also, i've learned one thing our database thinking MUST be product agnostic. As in - DFD's, ER-diagram's, and EER-diagram's have nothing to do with which DB/SQL you use. A join is a join(be it of any type) after you decide how it must happen, you refer to your DB product manual and figure it out :-)
product agnostic is fine - as long as you avoid a product that accepts 2007-2-30 into a date field in the database
Hi group.
i've been using mysql for almost 8 years now ... and pg for 5 years. Each DB has their own advantages ...
if the person has learnt his database skills on mSQL/MySQL, (Remember MySQL came as faster db compared to that time popular msql) and has not updated himself with the advent of other databases or the same database. Then the software (MySQL or any database) is not the one to blame.
I was introduced to MySQL in third year of engineering (When our prof was trying to teach us Oracle as RDBMS).
MySQL was the most easiest database to learn/administer and play around that time. (It is still very easy to operate ... so is firebird/pgSQL.)
There are times in web applications/other huge applications where Normalisation is not good idea. Or deep level of normalisation is not desired. (This is a separate point of discussion.) so in early days people use to code their applications by assuming the constraints of the DB. And hence the heavy application code. (MySQL did not have relational support/transaction support.)
But with the time they have added all the necessary supports and it also satisfies ACID rules. (Tested it with InnoDB Engine)
I understand that sometimes you (keneth) might have got into a solution where MySQL was not technically suitable. But thats how we learn things.
I've implemented MySQL with opensource BI solution Pentaho and it saved a huge cost of implementing the same with Oracle. (Oracle comes with very weird pricing strategy about CPU based/User Based) Their BI reporting tool like discoverer also needs licensing based on users.
So point is its good to have both MySQL as well as PostGRESQL in installfest. after all initially students need to first learn most of the ANSI standard SQL statements.
Let student choose whatever they want to after their bit of understanding.
product agnostic is fine - as long as you avoid a product that accepts 2007-2-30 into a date field in the database
:D ....
Regards, Ranjeet Walunj
On 18-Apr-07, at 8:08 PM, ranjeet walunj wrote:
But with the time they have added all the necessary supports and it also satisfies ACID rules. (Tested it with InnoDB Engine)
this is what irritates me. I wish i had kept copies of the old documentation where they were actively campaigning against transactions, views, foreign keys, ACID rules etc. If they had simply said that these were not implemented - fine. I looked at the docs now available for the versions < 3.5 - all that propaganda has been removed! Postgres on the other hand, is frank - if a feature is not there, they say so and have a todo list for it. Not mysql - if they dont have it, it is worthless and unnecessary - when they get it, it is the greatest thing since the mini idli.
For newbies like me, I found a link on details of an installfest.
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