Hi Pls some one add this site to hall of shame (if it is not already there) link is http://mu.ac.in/ yaa mumbai university it is written there "Site best viewed in Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0+ in 1024x768 resolution" and also look at site in Firefox it look horrible so if possible add it in hall of shame
add one more :
(none of their registration forms work on ff)
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:11 PM, yogesh kunjir wrote:
Pls some one add this site to hall of shame (if it is not already there) link is http://mu.ac.in/
I wonder if something can be initiated instead of just adding to hall of shame. Assuming, if there's an idea and re-structuring of the website can (or has been) be done, it needs money to execute, apart from the bureaucratic troubles it may have to go through before implementation. I'm aspiring for too much, but if there can be something that can be put across *for* the alma-mater, it could be this!
What can I do for it? The best possible? Put it across to my college, who understand the University much better that I do! (I had done for my college; but it is all messed up; looks dirty in IE though :( If interested, I'll post a link)
Perhaps, it could either be modified to suit 'anybrowser' so we don't disappoint or annoy anyone :)
yaa mumbai university it is written there "Site best viewed in Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0+ in 1024x768 resolution"
It is written so, and the features adopted may suit only with IE, but a change may be proved as fruitful to the University.
and also look at site in Firefox it look horrible so if possible add it in hall of shame
As I said earlier, execution would be better than a blame-game. Action do speak louder than words, don't they?
Roshan you have say good thing i aggre but web master understand that their design should look same on all browser you should *not* force a user to use a specific browser specally paid one to view your site
read this http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/ and also they provide *free* help in codeing see http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/ablinks.html#translations
so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
Dinesh A. Joshi dinesh.a.joshi@gmail.com wrote:
Yes they do. I urge the certain big mouths on this mailing list to put this in print media and not just on their little blogs.
huh.... i wonder your big mouth does not say *big* thing ???
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, yogesh kunjir yogeshkunjir@gmail.com wrote:
Roshan you have say good thing i aggre but web master understand that their design should look same on all browser you should *not* force a user to use a specific browser specally paid one to view your site
<snip> so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
What's the problem with paid softwares? And IE comes free of cost. I thought most people hated it because of the number of vulnerabilities it has and difficulty in getting one's website right with IE even after using proper standards.
On Monday 09 March 2009 13:55, Mehul Ved wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, yogesh kunjir
yogeshkunjir@gmail.com wrote:
Roshan you have say good thing i aggre but web master understand that their design should look same on all browser you should *not* force a user to use a specific browser specally paid one to view your site
<snip> so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
What's the problem with paid softwares?
Plenty. When it's the government / public body mandating paid software use i.e. using public money to promote private products.
And IE comes free of cost. I thought most people hated it because of the number of vulnerabilities it has and difficulty in getting one's website right with IE even after using proper standards.
The issues of security useability etc. are secondary in this specific case.
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM, yogesh kunjir yogeshkunjir@gmail.com wrote:
Roshan you have say good thing i aggre but web master understand that
their
design should look same on all browser you should *not* force a user to
use
a specific browser specally paid one to view your site
<snip> so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
What's the problem with paid softwares?
lot's of dude form where to start read foss guideline
And IE comes free of cost.
do you really think that ???? if yes then it is for you "IE is not free the price of IE is include in Microsoft os and it come as a pack "- Microsoft in case against Netscape navigator and still if you think IE is free then give me Microsoft IE version which is suitable for my linux machine(fedora 10)
I thought most people hated it because of the number of vulnerabilities it has and difficulty in getting one's website right with IE even after using proper standards.
that is another point
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:02 PM, yogesh kunjir yogeshkunjir@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n.ved@gmail.com wrote:
What's the problem with paid softwares?
lot's of dude form where to start read foss guideline
Point me those where it is mentioned that paid softwares are not good.
And IE comes free of cost.
do you really think that ???? if yes then it is for you "IE is not free the price of IE is include in Microsoft os and it come as a pack "- Microsoft in case against Netscape navigator and still if you think IE is free then give me Microsoft IE version which is suitable for my linux machine(fedora 10)
I don't use it and wouldn't really bother to look for ways to run it on Linux.
On Monday 09 March 2009 20:02:23 yogesh kunjir wrote:
the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
What's the problem with paid softwares?
lot's of dude form where to start read foss guideline
nothing wrong with paid software - I write nothing but foss, but I charge money for most of it. In fact, my next trip to Mumbai is being paid for by people who pay me to write/maintain foss code for them.
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 05:58, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
On Monday 09 March 2009 20:02:23 yogesh kunjir wrote:
the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
What's the problem with paid softwares?
lot's of dude form where to start read foss guideline
nothing wrong with paid software - I write nothing but foss, but I charge money for most of it. In fact, my next trip to Mumbai is being paid for by people who pay me to write/maintain foss code for them.
+1
yogesh kunjir wrote:
so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
Here is the website containing information of various Govt. education departments. We should all individually write to them using email or fax messages to them. The matter should cover all aspects of education, not just websites. Education from school level itself begins with learning the use of branded software. Later on even in engineering courses students are made to use proprietary software that is expensive to purchase. So together lets send lots of messages to then otherwise a few messages will be ignored.
http://education.nic.in/Elementary/WhoisWhoEE.asp
On Monday 09 March 2009 15:53, Rony wrote:
yogesh kunjir wrote:
so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
The matter should cover all aspects of education, not just websites. Education from school level itself begins with learning the use of branded software. Later on even in engineering courses students are made to use proprietary software that is expensive to purchase.
In a batch of 120 BMS students 119 had pirated doze + Adobe + Corel + video tools + rippers. All are of course cluless about the politics of computing technology. But clued in about IPR, copyrights and patents. They have these three as part of the syllabus. They wont bat an eyelid while pirating and give a sh** about it when pointed out that they are die hard M$ fans and should be paying their hero. The whole college merrily uses all pirated stuff. The Computer dept head is a M$ zombie, does not care either.
Really nice.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
In a batch of 120 BMS students 119 had pirated doze + Adobe + Corel +
Which university? Mumbai?
Regards, Mohan S N
On Monday 09 March 2009 17:44, Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
In a batch of 120 BMS students 119 had pirated doze + Adobe + Corel +
Which university? Mumbai?
Yes.
jtd wrote:
On Monday 09 March 2009 15:53, Rony wrote:
yogesh kunjir wrote:
so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
The matter should cover all aspects of education, not just websites. Education from school level itself begins with learning the use of branded software. Later on even in engineering courses students are made to use proprietary software that is expensive to purchase.
In a batch of 120 BMS students 119 had pirated doze + Adobe + Corel + video tools + rippers. All are of course cluless about the politics of computing technology. But clued in about IPR, copyrights and patents. They have these three as part of the syllabus. They wont bat an eyelid while pirating and give a sh** about it when pointed out that they are die hard M$ fans and should be paying their hero. The whole college merrily uses all pirated stuff. The Computer dept head is a M$ zombie, does not care either.
Really nice.
Not only the multimedia part but even engineering students are made to learn some heavy tech software for manufacturing, design (Can't recollect the exact thing) that costs above 1 lakh to purchase. An electronics engg student once asked me for some PCB designing software that was proprietary. I recollected you mentioning a foss alternative and found 'pcb' on the net and installed it in the system. However the class did not want it. Unless quality begins at the top, things won't improve so easily.
Also our very own passport office, passport.gov.in .
Regards, Easwar Registered Linux user #442065
On Monday 09 March 2009 21:26, Rony wrote:
jtd wrote:
On Monday 09 March 2009 15:53, Rony wrote:
yogesh kunjir wrote:
so it not much trouble to do that the bottom line is you should not force user to bye a paid software
The matter should cover all aspects of education, not just websites. Education from school level itself begins with learning the use of branded software. Later on even in engineering courses students are made to use proprietary software that is expensive to purchase.
In a batch of 120 BMS students 119 had pirated doze + Adobe + Corel + video tools + rippers. All are of course cluless about the politics of computing technology. But clued in about IPR, copyrights and patents. They have these three as part of the syllabus. They wont bat an eyelid while pirating and give a sh** about it when pointed out that they are die hard M$ fans and should be paying their hero. The whole college merrily uses all pirated stuff. The Computer dept head is a M$ zombie, does not care either.
Really nice.
Not only the multimedia part but even engineering students are made to learn some heavy tech software for manufacturing, design (Can't recollect the exact thing) that costs above 1 lakh to purchase. An electronics engg student once asked me for some PCB designing software that was proprietary. I recollected you mentioning a foss alternative and found 'pcb' on the net and installed it in the system. However the class did not want it. Unless quality begins at the top, things won't improve so easily.
without doubt. When the teachers have no morals what do you expect from students. And it's not some struggling government college but a very well funded, fat fee charging institution.
For the record PCB and GEDA works very well, even for high density SMT boards. We have switched completely.
Hi,
--- On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:42 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote: | For the record PCB and GEDA works very well, even for high density SMT | boards. We have switched completely. --
... and to add to that some useful resources:
Getting started with PCB: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/gs.html
Boards done with PCB: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/ (check Projects) http://dlharmon.com/dspcard/index.html
SK
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
In a batch of 120 BMS students 119 had pirated doze + Adobe + Corel + video tools + rippers. All are of course cluless about the politics of computing technology. But clued in about IPR, copyrights and patents. They have these three as part of the syllabus. They wont bat an eyelid while pirating and give a sh** about it when pointed out that they are die hard M$ fans and should be paying their hero. The whole college merrily uses all pirated stuff. The Computer dept head is a M$ zombie, does not care either.
Call the cops on 'em. Lets have some fun :) Microsoft has an anti-piracy cell which 'helps' such institutions who were 'duped' into using pirated software :)
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 10:26, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, jtd jtd@mtnl.net.in wrote:
In a batch of 120 BMS students 119 had pirated doze + Adobe + Corel + video tools + rippers. All are of course cluless about the politics of computing technology. But clued in about IPR, copyrights and patents. They have these three as part of the syllabus. They wont bat an eyelid while pirating and give a sh** about it when pointed out that they are die hard M$ fans and should be paying their hero. The whole college merrily uses all pirated stuff. The Computer dept head is a M$ zombie, does not care either.
Call the cops on 'em. Lets have some fun :) Microsoft has an anti-piracy cell which 'helps' such institutions who were 'duped' into using pirated software :)
YA. And i make money - 10% of the retail. Irrespective of the actual price charged. Whats even better ALL machines on the premises will be billed. You devil you have taken control of my mind ;-E.
I know of many such organisations.
However there is a downside too. Every zombie makes life more difficult for FOSS. I have refrained from doing this, but the LUCRE is getting way too tempting.
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