Hi all,
I have just published.
The site link http://kerala.skoool.in seems not working. We have to rectify or omit the link
Both left-right alignment is not available so the paragraphs are only left aligned.
Made few parts bold and also included bullets wherever appropriate.
The petition has time bound so it is mentioned in the beginning.
Please go through and review for typo and other changes.
https://www.change.org/p/petition-for-mandating-use-of-free-and-open-source-...
---Milind
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Milind Oka oak445@gmail.com wrote:
Please go through and review for typo and other changes.
https://www.change.org/p/petition-for-mandating-use-of-free-and-open-source-...
Great job Milind for taking the initiative and everyone who contributed to the content.
Each of us can Tweet / FB / G+ and other social media + ask our friends + professional network to endorse it as well. (I will post the OP in some of the other ILUG mailing lists.
I signed the petition with the following comment "Information Technology is going to become more and more pervasive in our lives.
The next generation applications will require collaboration across social / gender / political / geographical boundaries.
The industry will need a workforce with deep domain knowledge to implement and deploy secure applications.
In my opinion, Open Source Software philosophy has already proven that the above model works and thus it is the best option to teach IT/ Computer Science to the future generation.
Countries that adopt Open Source in their education policy will be winners and those who ignore it will be losers."
Thanks. -- Arun Khan
Thanks Arun for signing our petition. It is undoubtedly work of all of us here. Needless to say that the credit goes to uncountable number of FOSS activists from India and around the world. Of course we all will help boost this activity in all possible ways so as to reach our goal. Thank you all once again. Milind
On Tuesday 19 July 2016 01:42 AM, Arun Khan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Milind Oka oak445@gmail.com wrote:
Please go through and review for typo and other changes.
https://www.change.org/p/petition-for-mandating-use-of-free-and-open-source-...
Great job Milind for taking the initiative and everyone who contributed to the content.
Each of us can Tweet / FB / G+ and other social media + ask our friends + professional network to endorse it as well. (I will post the OP in some of the other ILUG mailing lists.
I signed the petition with the following comment "Information Technology is going to become more and more pervasive in our lives.
The next generation applications will require collaboration across social / gender / political / geographical boundaries.
The industry will need a workforce with deep domain knowledge to implement and deploy secure applications.
In my opinion, Open Source Software philosophy has already proven that the above model works and thus it is the best option to teach IT/ Computer Science to the future generation.
Countries that adopt Open Source in their education policy will be winners and those who ignore it will be losers."
Thanks. -- Arun Khan
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:12 PM, Milind Oka oak445@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Arun for signing our petition. It is undoubtedly work of all of us here. Needless to say that the credit goes to uncountable number of FOSS activists from India and around the world. Of course we all will help boost this activity in all possible ways so as to reach our goal. Thank you all once again. Milind
Picked up this posting from a Linked IN article. Perhaps this can be an addendum to the appeal.
https://thepolicy.us/bulgaria-got-a-law-requiring-open-source-98bf626cf70a#.f2cpctuhh
To get to this point, we need IT professionals competent in open source technologies. The Govt. of India should *lead* such initiatives through changes in education policy.
-- Arun Khan
I am looking for information regarding the use of older hardware from i486 and up. Ofcourse I am only thinking of end users who consider a computer as just another tool to get done whatever they are doing.
Considering that many distros are beginning to require 64-bit CPUs running at Ghz speeds, needing Gigabytes of RAM and HD space, I was wondering if the old hardware is really E-waste or can still be used for some Email/Web surfing , nothing fancy . I would appreciate any info / sources you can provide.
regards harsha godavari
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Harsha Godavari h.godavari@shaw.ca wrote:
I am looking for information regarding the use of older hardware from i486 and up. Ofcourse I am only thinking of end users who consider a computer as just another tool to get done whatever they are doing.
Considering that many distros are beginning to require 64-bit CPUs running at Ghz speeds, needing Gigabytes of RAM and HD space, I was wondering if the old hardware is really E-waste or can still be used for some Email/Web surfing , nothing fancy . I would appreciate any info / sources you can provide.
The problem with email and web surfing -- the content has become *bloatware* People send MBs as attachments and links to video material and they require fairly high speed 'net access and cpu/ram on the client side. Today, this is the *expectation* of the average Joe/Jane user. In my experience, most video content is still Flash and it tends to consume CPU/RAM (htop is great as a monitor).
Virtualized desktop may be the nice middle ground. You use these legacy hardware as "thin" clients to connect to a LTSP server and maximize the usage of old hardware. On the flip side, they need legacy power supplies running in the range of 250W per seat - definitely not green.
My 2 cents.
-- Arun Khan
Nice suggestions Arun, In fact we can use them especially with dot-matrix printers to print pre-printed stationary. Fortunately dot-matrix printers are available today. With any preliminary RDBMS like dbase, we can put them on cash counter with dot-matrix printers to give receipts. It is really fun to use command line on them. You can really use them in various ways. In fact exploiting their power is a great skill that students should learn. I started my computer journey in 1989 with IBM pc XT, 4.77 MHz (Not GHz !) and 64k ram. I enjoyed working on them (mouse was not there on most of the machines). 486 is a feast for me !
On Tuesday 26 July 2016 12:58 AM, Arun Khan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Harsha Godavari h.godavari@shaw.ca wrote:
I am looking for information regarding the use of older hardware from i486 and up. Ofcourse I am only thinking of end users who consider a computer as just another tool to get done whatever they are doing.
Considering that many distros are beginning to require 64-bit CPUs running at Ghz speeds, needing Gigabytes of RAM and HD space, I was wondering if the old hardware is really E-waste or can still be used for some Email/Web surfing , nothing fancy . I would appreciate any info / sources you can provide.
The problem with email and web surfing -- the content has become *bloatware* People send MBs as attachments and links to video material and they require fairly high speed 'net access and cpu/ram on the client side. Today, this is the *expectation* of the average Joe/Jane user. In my experience, most video content is still Flash and it tends to consume CPU/RAM (htop is great as a monitor).
Virtualized desktop may be the nice middle ground. You use these legacy hardware as "thin" clients to connect to a LTSP server and maximize the usage of old hardware. On the flip side, they need legacy power supplies running in the range of 250W per seat - definitely not green.
My 2 cents.
-- Arun Khan
Milind: I am glad you popped in. I admire your efforts to get the babus to use FOSS and BOSS (as an aside Boss is very difficult to download) .
I am a bit long in the tooth and we started with a C-64 and a cassette tape for storage. So I am not averse to using "old stuff". If we can get all those legacy hardware (from i486 on) into use , suddenly we will have thousands of computers available for free. In the early 90's our computer user group ran a project,"Computers for Charities". We used to give away computers( essentially used XTs) to charitable organisations . We always had a waiting list ! Even today when I announce the availabilty of a PII or PIII computer on our local Freecycle , with in hours atleast a couple people ask for it. So there is hardware sitting in closets and people willing to use old hardware.
The main problem, that I see is the lack of software. None of the WINDOWS (even if you are willing to support MS) will run(securely) on that hardware. Linux distros almost seem to compete with MS-OS for newer/bigger hardware.
Linux distros like DSL, Luit linux are hibernating and others like Puppy are slowly getting "modernised".
What I would like to see is some brave soul(s) to develop a distro deliberately aimed at older, non-PAE computers of i486-architecture. I do hope you remeber that a 486 based motherboards have a limitation on both RAM and HD space recognised. So the distro needs to require low memory (128MB? ) and small harddrives (>5GB?).
regards harsha godavari
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milind Oka" oak445@gmail.com To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" linuxers@mm.ilug-bom.org.in Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:00:47 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Computer usage
Nice suggestions Arun, In fact we can use them especially with dot-matrix printers to print pre-printed stationary. Fortunately dot-matrix printers are available today. With any preliminary RDBMS like dbase, we can put them on cash counter with dot-matrix printers to give receipts. It is really fun to use command line on them. You can really use them in various ways. In fact exploiting their power is a great skill that students should learn. I started my computer journey in 1989 with IBM pc XT, 4.77 MHz (Not GHz !) and 64k ram. I enjoyed working on them (mouse was not there on most of the machines). 486 is a feast for me !
On Tuesday 26 July 2016 12:58 AM, Arun Khan wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Harsha Godavari h.godavari@shaw.ca wrote:
I am looking for information regarding the use of older hardware from i486 and up. Ofcourse I am only thinking of end users who consider a computer as just another tool to get done whatever they are doing.
Considering that many distros are beginning to require 64-bit CPUs running at Ghz speeds, needing Gigabytes of RAM and HD space, I was wondering if the old hardware is really E-waste or can still be used for some Email/Web surfing , nothing fancy . I would appreciate any info / sources you can provide.
The problem with email and web surfing -- the content has become *bloatware* People send MBs as attachments and links to video material and they require fairly high speed 'net access and cpu/ram on the client side. Today, this is the *expectation* of the average Joe/Jane user. In my experience, most video content is still Flash and it tends to consume CPU/RAM (htop is great as a monitor).
Virtualized desktop may be the nice middle ground. You use these legacy hardware as "thin" clients to connect to a LTSP server and maximize the usage of old hardware. On the flip side, they need legacy power supplies running in the range of 250W per seat - definitely not green.
My 2 cents.
-- Arun Khan
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