Linuxers July 2002

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Userfriendly
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > > > If you put linux on a pc, properly installed and setup, a >normal (non > > geek / non techie ?) user will not have problems with it. *snip* Perhaps you missed my point, I repeat Windows _is_ user friendly because it is usable. I couldn't adapt to a Mandrake distro from RHL myself. -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re[2]: [OT]crackers on the prowl in India
by Vinay Pai 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

> "I'll not call crackers hackers again" Call me a heretic... but IMHO its rather silly how ppl try to get all puristic abt the whole hacker/cracker thing. Words in spoken languages mean whatever a majority (in fact any sufficiently large group) of ppl say... and like it or not, to a majority of people a hacker is the same as what the purists insist muct be called a "cracker". Haven't Hindi words like jungle, guru, mantra etc. have been accepted as legitimate english words bcos so many english-speaking folks use them? Shouldn't the age-old "adapt or die" maxim apply here too?

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Tips and tricks: learn GNU/Linux through one-stanza trails
by Frederick Noronha 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

TIPS AND TRICKS: LEARN GNU/LINUX THROUGH ONE-STANZA TRAILS By Frederick Noronha YOU NEED not get lost while finding your way through GNU/Linux, the alternative computer operating system that started off with a rather geeky air about it. Because of its rather-techie reputation, some still look at this OS with trepidation. But that not be so, says a network started from India and aptly called LOST. LOST, short for Linux One Stanza Tip, tries to make it easier for newbies and techies alike to find their way more easily through the maze of secrets that this powerful -- but still little difficult-to-get-started-on -- operating system holds out. Explains one founder-member, Suresh Ramasubramanian: "It started when (one of the key persons) U.S.M. Bish had this great idea. FAQs or frequently-asked questions are asked and repeated so many times. Several people anyway don't really bother to google (i.e. simply visit the search-engine www.google.com), or go to a web-page-based FAQs. They expect answers by e-mail." This team of Indian geeks wanting to 'spread the word' and ensure a faster learning-curve for GNU/Linux came up with an idea. Their solution was to start slipping a FAQ into the e-mail signature -- randomized so that a new, short GNU/Linux tip turns up each time. This, in short, resulted in LOST, or Linux One Stanza Tip. Says Bish, with a touch of irony, while explaining the origins: "This herring got caught spontaneously, while we were fishing for trout!" Thing began sometime in July 2001 on the Linux-India-Help mailing list. This list is part of the Linux-India network, that was set up by volunteers within India and abroad, and aims to help promote the 'free software' GNU/Linux operating system within this part of South Asia. There was a long thread (or discussion, going by slang used on electronic mailing-lists) on "finger-holding" for newbies. Egged on, a few LOST promoters decided to put some common queries that crop up "time and time again" into small "HOWTO" documents. (HOWTOs explain just what their name says, how-to do certain technical tasks with GNU/Linux.) They then felt the need to make these available via some Internet server, so that they could be pointed to a common resource. To start, the team consisted of Suresh "SRS" Ramasubramanian <mallet(a)efn.org>, Rajesh Fowkar <rfowkar(a)goatelecom.com>, Sriram Karra <karra(a)cs.utah.edu> and USM Bish <usmbish(a)hclinfinet.com> Initially, they would simply 'copy' their e-mail to each other. But, as the volume increased SRS setup a "howtos" mailing list up in August 2001. "We were first writing documents, which could help newbies with their trials and tribulations with Linux. We still are at the job, and we look at each others contributions for refinements and additions ... more heads the better. Soon other folk joined in. Howtos, though on a low key, is still progressing. It is the trout that we are still fishing for," says Bish. Writing long documents, which were put up on sites, didn't really help much. Bish recalls reading that readership of email 'sigs' (the few lines tucked at the end of every e-mail message) was about 80% whereas all other forms put together inclusive of banner ads, site-info ... and spam accounted for the rest. So he floated this idea of using short info-containing 'sigs' of howtos to disseminate Linux related knowledge. "This in education parlance is called passive dissemination of Info", says Bish. Just for some background: GNU/Linux is a computer operating system that is gaining growing acceptance in a country like India, which has considerable software skills but ironically can't afford the comparatively unreal prices of much of the proprietorial software put out in the global market. After the operating system was put together in the 'early nineties, it first trickled into this country. Then, in 1997, the Internet opened up to the commonman, making it possible for collaboration across the country, and for the speedier dissemination of information. In between, prominent mainstream Indian computer magazines like 'PC-Quest' pushed GNU/Linux forward by circulating tens of thousands of copies of this computer operating system via CDs. They continue putting out tens of thousands of GNU/Linux copies into the hands of eager computer enthusiasts, as do magazines like 'DeveloperIQ' and 'Digit' (formerly 'Chip'). Now, the circle seems to be getting complete: early adopters of GNU/Linux are showing signs of passing on skills to new-users. Bish says he would perhaps be amongst the first users of GNU/Linux (since '95) in India, and had quite a few hints and tips collected over the years. "It was a matter of putting a few samples for perusal, then some brain-storming on the "howtos", and to get the catch-word LOST (Linux-One-Stanza-Tips). It also took a bit more effort to get the format together. Then we were on the road. By the time LOST was put up for the first time in September 2001, we were about a dozen folk (working on the) howtos," he recalls. The first LOST tips were put up on Bish's home page, along with the other documents that he wrote (like the HDI -- How Do I -- series). This is at: http://geocities.com/usmbish/ The first few were posted on LIH (the Linux-India Help mailing list), and it caught the attention of people on the list. Contributions started coming in. "We did not publicize over other lists because there was much more work to be done before we could actually call it a project to be proud of," says Bish. The tips were getting ready -- or would accumulate gradually. But implementation was a different ball game altogether. It was possible to use random signature-generating software like 'fortune' or 'randsig' for LOST sigs. But the team felt the need to develop something so that signature placement would be by choice -- either a LOST tip or some other sig. Bish started writing the script rotator, and then gen-sig. These are bash scripts only, but did the job fine. Its fans say 'rotator' is arguably among the most versatile signature rotation software on the Net. It caters for signatures from multiple sig sets, PGP/gnupg and reserved signature placement. It also allows for sigs from databases like LOST, that could be fixed or random. There were other scripts needed too. This was needed for the manipulation of LOST snippets to other formats. Binand wrote the script "lgrep" to search for LOSTs by keywords, Sriram has been writing an elisp script for interfacing with emacs. Sayamindu wrote a PHP script to place random LOSTs on web pages, which is working on his home page. Once set in motion, things continued. It was at this stage in Oct-Nov 2001 that LOSTs started taking the shape of a project. By December 2001, the project was accepted by Sourceforge. On New Year's Day 2002, Bish put up the first tarball on lost.sourceforge.net, and by January 15, 2002, an announcement was made on Linux-India-Help. Then, the number of snippets had swelled to 250, from the original 50 that was first put up on the home page in September 2001. Currently, the number of LOST tips has crossed 300. There are nine 'scripts' up too. Over time, this number is expected to grow. Help is welcome from everywhere. "It is a good idea, sort of. It can take contributions from almost anybody, can be used by almost anybody. It kind of gives people a short, nice-to-know tip -- like the tips that pop up in KDE or other applications on startup," says Suresh. This comes to you, of course, via email. You end up feeling grateful, say, to Rajesh Fowkar of Goa, when an email sent on some other subject also contains a useful tip sent out from one GNU/Linux enthusiast to another. How do LOSTs look like? Here, for instance, is one tip that comes from Rahul Torvi: ####[ Linux One Stanza Tip (LOST) ]########################### Sub : Command line shortcuts (clear) LOST #310 Tired of typing in "clear" every time you want the screen to be cleared ? Press [Ctrl-L] ... This works for most shells, (except for ash, bsh and ksh) ####<rtorvi(a)vsnl.net>######################################### Most of the participation in LOST currently comes from India. By some coincidence, and because it originated there, those pushing the list forward are regulars from Linux India Help. "People like Bish, Rajesh Fowkar, Binand Raj, Dileep Kumar (MDK), etc. I haven't contributed more than two or three LOSTs -- I just host the mailing list for LOST," says Suresh. He gives full credit to "Bish's fertile brain" for originating the idea. Like many other 'free software' GNU/Linux projects, it grew through word-of-mouth. Goa-based Rajesh Fowkar disagrees. Says he: "Suresh's contribution is next best only to Bish's." Like in many volunteer-driven projects evolving in the GNU/Linux spirit, the fight is not so much to gain credit at the individual level, but to spread the benefits around generously and appreciate each other's contribution. Suresh suggests that a project like this has far greater potential than currently met. His strategy: expand it as far as possible, submit it to Freshmeat (the site freshmeat.net that announces new GNU/Linux projects) so that more people get a look at it, and want to participate." Just a few months old, there already are some memorable times of this project which members remember. One moment was when some fine soul found a LOST signature on a mailing list, about an onboard modem, and posted to the list in Spanish. Lucky his error messages were in English and some of the volunteers were actually able to help him from distant India. (ENDS) NOTE: To join the LOST mailing list, visit http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/howtos -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com Email fred(a)bytesforall.org * Mobile +9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

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something wrong in resolv.conf
by akshaysalkar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

could some one tell me what i should put in /etc/resolv.conf i seem to be forgetting/misplacing somethings. i have my net connection with vsnl..which i connect using dial up wvdial my ethernet card is also there. and dns also configured but when dns and ethernet is up it does not connect to internet however when i disable ethernet and then try connection it works my /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver 202.54.1.30 nameserver 202.54.1.18 nameserver 192.168.0.1 Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Project Resource centre
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

> Also, plan to speak to a couple of corporates who > > use snort, as to what > > their requirements from an IDS admin perpective, > > would be...hope to > > kickstart corporate involvement in the PRC with this > > project. Will speak to > > them over the next couple of days *snip* You can convince any corporate if you show them RoI, more business and cost savings. If it still doesn't work try using a celeb :) --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Projects TODO list -
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

It works perfectly on the i386 as well. IIRC, someone even ported it to 16bit Intel processors. > >Indeed sir. >P-100z was an over-kill IMHO. I was thinking more in line of 386 >& 486 machines. The motherboards of these can almost be had for >free. And all I was talking about was custom compiling the >kernels so that they are small and fast. More important was >collecting useful software which will work on these machines. *snip* Did anyone think about experiments in clustering? -AH. _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: RE: [ILUG-BOM] Lets get started...watz the delay for...???
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

> > > > zope error is coming up > Trevor ... lets think again? Why use software that we don't understand and troubleshoot. Imagine, the fuse going out when things get hot. Let's keep the try-out phase aside and move to something that we can handle. --AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT]crackers on the prowl in India
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

> > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp? > > artid=14971142 > >They've got to be told those are crackers, not hackers. When will >the >dimwits understand? ^^^^^^^^^ When I wrote a book on Computer Security, my editors changed the crackers back to hackers-under the pretext of readability. But then I asked how does black-hat hacker sound? They changed the crackers everywhere :). -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Userfriendly
by Amol Hatwar 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

>dont agree!!! >the top never learns/does anything anyways...dont u know >abt the Dilbert Principle?!! rofl ... that was a bone tickler. It's long been established if companies must survive today, they must adapt to change. Change scares us all. But I am more scared about the inability and *Indian indifference* to change. -AH _________________________________________________________ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs

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Problem with default init level
by Nikhil 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

Hello Luggers, I have RH 7.2 on my machine. In my /etc/inittab file the default init level is set to 5. Still my system boots up to text based login. my X server starts up just fine when i manually start it. Can somebody please help me with this? Thanks, Nikhil. ===== Nikhil Kale Software Engineer Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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