Linuxers January 2003

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[OT] Missing lines in email
by Tahir Hashmi 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Hi all! I got viki's mail with several missing lines in the earlier parts of the message that caused.The only thing that looks a bit different is that there's no X-Mailer header and the Content Type is text/plain format=flowed. Did anyone else experience this, especially Sylpheed users? I'm using Sylpheed 0.8.8 -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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help
by Purnendu Ghosh 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

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Re: Linux India Initiative
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

On Saturday 04 January 2003 20:41, Nikhil Joshi wrote: > **************************************** > * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI > **************************************** > How did u conclude that i assumed the worms and crashes are imposible. They indeed happen, but are extremely rare in a well configured system. Hence the maintainence costs are very low. > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, jtdsouza(a)softhome.net wrote: > I guess you are assuming 3 things: > > 1. Worms/viruses are impossible under Linux > > 2. There are no free (beer) tools to combat worms/viruses under > Windows It is not the cost of the tool (capital cost) but the cost of putting these tools to work that is very high (service costs). > 3. Random crashes are impossible in Linux > > IMHO *all* these assumptions are misleading and incorrect. 1 and 3 are very rare in GNU/Linux. Morover they require a badly configured system to "infect". If u happen to use Debian u would be quite safe (IMHO). My point was "conversion" must highlight the maintainence and recurring cost aspect not the capital costs. As for the "piracy n religion" bit call NASSCOM if u wanna stick to the law. rgds jtdsouza(a)yahoo.com

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Meeting timings for 12th?
by Amish Munshi 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Greetings, What time is the meeting? Also where is the meeting in VJTI, the location inside VJTI? Bye.

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LTSP
by OSP 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Is there any Indian Company that has implemented LTSP? If yes, where can I find the details on the same??? Ash

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need RHL 8.0 CDs
by sameer shinde 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

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Re: who are we kidding - GNU/Linux replacing Windows
by viki p 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Hi Hey why are we all putting huge efforts to prove something which not in our hand this just pure wastage of time and costly productive man hours as well as Bandwidth. To prove Linux can gain place on common desktop we need to prove that Linux OS is user friendly and to use it as operating system is not a big deal. Logically arriving at conclusion which can prevent this from happening 1 for all the common people the words used like kernel, security, update kernel, access to file system, hacking, worms and troajans Are like out of the world. They dont look for all this when they go and buy a pc for them self. What they look for is how easy it is to use in daily life without much knowledge of pc or operating system. DO WE have this in Linux and I say BIG NO this is not the case. Dont look from your angle try to be on other side and you will find the better justifications for the BIG NO. 2 take example of top senior executives of any organization or any senior bureaucrats they dont have enough time to go and learn something new they are happy with what they have on their desktop so if they can not change then how we are going to change common people. For this you need very high level of efforts to migrate them to something of the same wave length and similar interface. 3 today you say MS is making lot of money from their product I dont understand why this kind of presumption should come across. Check last 15 years of IT industries and try to understand basic business model of all the big IT Company. They have done same things but ball game was different. One of the biggest money makers in that time was on the same track at that time. You know it and I dont want to name it. All the proprietary work use to drag you in the same black hole. sale product at low cost and then cut them in support, what is this dont you think same game but with different attitude. Today if some company is investing n billion dollars in R&D of Linux do you think that work will remain open source? NO I dont think so it will become their technology and they will sell it to recover as well as make n+1 out of n so this is business and every thing is fair as long as you can make money. Today MS is ruling the business as they want. this is because they dont have competitor to stop them doing this. Why Novell Netware failed to sustain their popularity, may be because they could not keep their technology to the mark what users really wanted. At one time there was major Demand of CNE and major public were certified so there was no one to beat Novell on the ground level and MS was in business of desktop marketing and not in server marketing. But still they took chance and introduced windows server product and then see how fast they have improved their technology in just second or 3rd major released of WINNT 4.0 and Novell was almost out of the demand this is not a joke you need to have lot of things to do this. I am throwing light on this because industries have never taken much needed lesson from this. MS can not stop any individual scholar from his development the way Mr. Linus has given us LINUX. Or neither they can stop any big organization from developing their operating system. But all are wasting their time in fighting MS in legal battle and not investing their time and money in developing something which can fight in market with all the needed things at ground level. Today if MS is making money then they are also providing fruit to lots of people just go in market and see how many developer are really working on open source/other project and how many are working on MS platform you will come to know why MS is more successful in business than others. I know their not giving chance to other products to prove but at the end if you or I own Microsoft would have been done the same things what they are doing. It is very easy to become number one but it is very difficult to maintain that position for long I am not at all a person who is pushing MS but rather I am a person who tries to understand the phenomena. 70% of the people in our LUG member must be using MS as a prime factor do they can assure you to migrate to Linux in next 3 month and I say they can not because there are lot of supporting application running which needs to be migrated on linux so guys this is not that easy. Do not take me other way I am not a person who sticks to one particular standard I am working on all the platforms that is Sun-Solaris, HP-UX, SCO-Unix, FreeBSD, AIX, Linux and MS. But our industry is a customer driven, so out 10 projects I am doing 7 are on MS platform. I was been very happy to see lots of mail have been exchanged on this topic and that triggered me to write the root cause of the problem. If at all I hurt you in any or part of the mail then I am sorry but take this positively and think what we should do to make linux more popular rather then abusing something which is beyond our control. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] LTSP
by Sanjay Gurav 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

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by akshaysalkar 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

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Help
by OSP 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Is there any Indian Company that has implemented LTSP? If yes, where can I find the details on the same??? Ash

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