December 2004 - Linuxers

Problems with ILUG Acronym.
by risqer 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

Hello Gnu/Linux Users, I wanted to say that when we say ILUG in ILUG-BOM, aren't we ignoring "GNU" ? I think so because, it's "GNU/Linux", not the Linux kernel alone that we support. So ILUG should be more appropriately called IGLUG. And so, ILUG-BOM should be IGLUG-BOM. I maybe wrong on this since I may not know the reason for this. If you feel I am thinking wrong, please correct me. -- Regards, Saurabh Sawant. (risqer).

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does ubuntu have apt-get?
by rohit bhute 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

I finally got enough money to get a new OS. So far I've tried only RPM based distros. I have heard only good things about Ubuntu - single CD though based on Debian. What I want to know is after installing Ubuntu, using the much talked about apt-get (provided I'm connected to the net), can I get specific Debian software packages (say related to engineering and such stuff) onto my OS ? And what about updates - how soon will Ubuntu be deprecated vis-a-vis Debian ? -- Take back the Web - Get Firefox Rohit V. Bhute Mumbai http://rvbhute.blogspot.com/

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new year resolution
by Kenneth Gonsalves 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

hi, my new year resolution: whatever it takes, avsap must knock tally off its pedestal positives: translation is no problem - enough guys around to do it tally has opted for mysql and shot themselves in the foot avsap has tamil, telugu, gujarati and hindi - tally doesnt negatives: indians dont like to work for free conclusion: as long as there are guys to translate, i'll do the rest btw like tally, avsap is hiring: no pay, only qualifications is a willingness to work invoicing and inventory control modules should be up in a week happy new year all kg

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Re: Personal Diary software for Linux
by VC Bothra 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

I'll recommend a blogging tool for maintaining a diary / personal log. Wordpress is a PHP / MySQL blogging tool having a vibrant community and large installed base. Its licensed under GPL. http://www.wordpress.org/ Veer. http://www.blogstreet.com/ Blog Profile, RSS Ecosystem, Blog Tops, Search and Directory

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Personal Diary software for Linux
by Ninad 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi Is there a personal diary like software for Linux It should show the current day/date and time and one can write the daily happenings/events etc in it which will be stored. Thanks and Regards Ninad Bapat

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Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Vickram Crishna 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Dear Mumbai Linuxers May I suggest a topic for the meeting? This is to meet an urgent and very real need of a service group that I happen to think is particularly important to India, and Mumbai as well. The service group is cybercafe operators. Currently, as many of you know, cybercafes are very tiny outfits, aside from the hyped up Sifys and Webworlds, which are just a handful. Most of these outfits use Windows in various flavors - I hesitate to call it MS Windows, for the simple reason that most copies are in fact pirated and of poor quality (now, now, let's not get ;-) nasty everyone, about the quality of the native product). As a result, when the police get into one of their sudden spurts of public spirit and barge into these little corner shops, enthusiastically rounding up customers and owners indiscriminately, while purportedly looking for offcolour downloads and spies around every corner, they have a very easy and genuine excuse for harassment - illegal software. The current level of hafta is around one month's gross revenue for a small cafe, renewable whenever the local officer concerned gets transferred and a new one comes around hungry. So what's the solution, and how can we help? Most of these businesses are really small, and are quite technically unequipped to deal with issues of software and hardware. They depend on small assemblers for their low cost machines, and this usually means the machines come preloaded with some form of Windows OS, and the usual slew of applications that customers want. I don't know what cybercafe customers actually want by way of applications, and I suspect that not many of us do either. What I am suggesting is that we turn the LUG meet into a session where representatives of both cybercafes and small assemblers can come, with the objective being to make a wish-list. We need to find out what the statistically typical hardware configuration is, what the commonly used applications are, and to make a distro that will install on most cybercafe machines. This distro can be duplicated either by members for a small fee, or turned over to the cybercafe reps at some point, or distributed through Mumbai IT magazines, or whatever. These points need to be worked out in consultation with the target audience ie., the owners and the assemblers. Idea is of course ease of use for both cybercafe owners and for the assemblers, who as you know are hardly aware that there are any choices in OS other than Windows. I think that although the owners are really very small businesses, and as a group quite unorganised, we may possibly be able to create a set of local micro-businesses for members doing this (keeping the distros updated and uniform over time). I am thinking not just of the task of making readymade distros, but of low cost training (neighborhood informal training schools) for assemblers and their techies. If this idea sounds interesting to you all, please do offer your yeas or nays here on the list. Dr Jitu Shah is already sensitised to this matter, and has I understand offered the use of the C-DAC offices in Nariman Point (capacity 60 persons seating) for a meeting on the subject. 9 Jan sounds like a good date for such a meeting, kicking off the new year on a very positive and socially useful manner. I do hope that some or all of you agree. >On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 11:49, Amish Munshi wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Where can we have the meeting on 9th? >> What is the agenda? >> >> Amish. > >We can do this at MET this time--around 60 of their students are likely >to attend. Satish Mohan of Red Hat is willing to talk on Open Source >Architecture. This talk was also given at the Calcutta LUG and around >100 people attended. > >Venky -- Vickram

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IRC server for ILUG-Mumbai !
by Saurabh Sawant 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi guys, Since the website http://www.ilug-bom.org.in is hosted on a server at TIFR ( i think so ) , can we have an IRC server set up there so that, there can be more interaction, fast responses and good discussions ? As for improving the ettiquete of this mailing list , we can invite people who make mistakes to a room at IRC and teach them the proper way. And also, i think it will also compliment this wonderful mailing list. I request Sir Nagarjuna to look into this. Regards, Saurabh Sawant ! :) _________________________________________________________________ The hottest products! The coolest discounts! http://www.msn.co.in/shopping Get them all at MSN Shopping!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by BIJU KRISHNAN 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

Dear Vickram, You have a great idea...! Well a year ago, I and my friend decided to sell proxy solutions to these small time cafe's and faced the following problems 1. The small cyber cafe's cannot afford to provide one stand-alone machine for the proxy set-up. Normally they set-up win/analog/free proxy on a machine and allow users to use it during peak hours. 2. A entire GNU\Linux cyber cafe setup has the most daunting task (others may disagree) of a browser which supports all sites just like IE....we may agree that IE is insecure...but most of the sites are optimised for IE..! Opera is the best but then its paid..! 3. Cyber cafe accounting software is also needed, the present ones are all windows based, there are a couple of projects on freshmeat but have'nt found success implementing them, maybe need to invest more man hours. 4. Messengers with similiar LOOK FEEL AND FUNCTIONALITY..! 5. VOIP dialer applications to run on the OS. There are more such avenues where the LUG can play an immediate and active role. 1. I had got first hand reports of management students who received Laptops with Suse loaded feeling uncomfortable and loading WinXP in them. This hapenned at MET too..! 2. Educating pupils in schools and colleges too can ensure Linux Domination by 2007. 3. We had a Marketing exec who used RedHat 9.0 for a year as a desktop but couldnt convince himself and others for extending it, since Word docs were'nt the same when they viewed it in OOffice. People like me have to be blamed....i have to follow the TALK LESS WORK MORE regimen immediately. My new year resolution would be to act more in spreading awareness about GNU\Linux, we have to make life easier on GNU\Linux than on windows if we were to ever dream of a secure. I have succesfully helped many of my friends who are IT managers in non-IT firms to atleast bring about a foot in the door for GNU\Linux and can use more contacts and reach to convince others too. Although I'am not so sure of my work schedule next week , i would try my level best if we can have a user interaction and a wish list ready in the meet. WISHING ALL LUG members A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR. bye rgds BIJU __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Different sender name in messages send by mail
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

Dear Amish Munshi Recommended syntax is not working. Bilal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] we need help on extraction of ISO from CD!!
by Kartik Mistry 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

--- "Anurag" <anurag(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> wrote: >Guys, keep in touch with Amish. He is the CD remastering >expert. > >Amish, extract_compressed_fs works properly on Knoppix 3.6. and >there's no version mismatch with cloop either in Knoppix 3.6. >These people didn't tell which version of knoppix they're >extracting. >Anurag It'seems that there is not enough space (i.e. swap or RAM of ~1GB) and atleast Free space of 3 to ~4 GB. Thanks, Kartik Mistry GNU/Linux Developer, kartikm.blogspot.com +91-22-28990490,28990507 _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> Open Source to everyone.

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we need help on extraction of ISO from CD!!
by TIFR students 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

we are encountering the following error while extracting an ISO image from Knoppix CD.somebody help!! $ extract_compressed_fs /cdrom/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX > /knx/source/first.iso 30369 blocks of size 65536. preamble: #!/bin/sh #V2.0 Format modprobe cloop file=$0 && mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/cloop/ $1 exit $? Block 0 length 0 => 65536 Uncomp: not enough out room 0 Help!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Different sender name in messages send by mail command.
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

Hello All If log in as root (or run a root cron job) and send a content of file lets say xyz.txt by using following command cat xyz.txt | mail -s "subject" touser(a)gomainname.com then my message is delivered to destination as showing "root" is the sender. Is there anyone who can suggest me to add another sender name without logging as that user? Regards, Bilal Ahmed

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

On Friday 31 December 2004 10:19, Vickram Crishna wrote: > The service group is cybercafe operators. Afaik a session was held in the past for assemblers and cybercafe owners. > Most of these outfits use Windows in various flavors - I hesitate > to call it MS Windows, for the simple reason that most copies are > in fact pirated and of poor quality (now, now, let's not get ;-) > nasty everyone, about the quality of the native product). Sheesh. There goes a chance for some sick jokes ;-). > > they have a very easy and genuine excuse for > harassment - illegal software. The current level of hafta is around > one month's gross revenue for a small cafe, How does the cop compute that?? > So what's the solution, and how can we help? Solution is 1) to use legal software 2) Do not get into a business on which u are clueless 3) Call the cops every time a cybercafe uses pirated stuff. A few hits with the hafta stick is a very good education. > Most of these businesses are really small, and are quite > technically unequipped to deal with issues of software and > hardware. Yeah nice qualification to run a bussiness whose service is delivered on hardware and software. Your intentions are laudable, but U cant help. As u stated in the rest of your mail It's not the owner / assembler but the customer who decides what os is on the pc. And given the level of zombieness around it will be sometime before things change, at that point things will resolve themselves. Availability of distros is not a problem. Availability of skill is only a little more of a problem. However to people who think nothing of piracy, paying money for skill is anthema. Go offer your service to a cybercafewalla and see. In fact offer him your services for free and see. All the piffle about poor and skill etc is rubbish. They are fully clued in on the piracy issue and have made a conscious decision to gyp someone (oh my heart bleeds for the OTHER CONVICTED PIRATE). It's the cops who have discovered a new avenue for revenue. I use a knoppix cd when i am in a cyber cafe. Recently in Goa a cybercafe had dual boot machines with RH. rgds jtd

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Passwd encryptions
by Amit D Karia 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hi would like to know abt this command of red hat linux grub-md5-crypt its easy to encrypt the passwd from this command but how to store the encrypted password ,,, And again is it possible to decrypt the passwd And also do let me know abt 'idecrypt'command is it possible to decrypt the passwd from the password Also tell me few others algorithams or commands of any flavor that would encrypt the normal text ,,, regs.. Amit karia

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fsck - Superblock has a bad ext3 journal (inode 8)
by Rishi 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hi I've got a kernel panic ... When I boot using a rescue CD and try fsck /dev/hda3 it says: Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... Superblock has a bad ext3 journal (inode 8) Clear? I have tried fsck -b option too ... no joy.. same error. All other partitions, 9 in all are fine... Only /dev/hda3 which is the / partition is reporting this error. Any way for me to recover this partition? What will happen if I type 'y' when prompted with 'Clear?' .. Will that loose any chance I have left in trying to recover the data from this partition? I suspect the / partition got full ... which may have caused this error to begin with... More than recovery of data, I'm interested in finding out if that was the case or not. Rishi

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Fecthmail and loal pop server setup
by komal 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hello, I am trying to setup Intranet mail server. I have successfully implemented Postfix mail server with SMTP AUTH. Now I want to setup local pop server so that user can download mail locally. I have two pop server say pop.abc.net and pop.pcq.net with two users with diffecrt user name and password. Fectchmail can be used to download mail from remote mail server. Now how to configure fetchmail to forward mails to local mail server. I know fecthmail can be run daemon mode. How to run fectchmail at startup time. If I set poll time for fetchmal for ten seconds and during that if that client, try to access mail what will happen? Thank you Komal

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Encourage questions..!
by gladwin.peter.burboz＠accenture.com 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hello All, I am new to this group and is a Java Developer (J2EE). Just hanging around as I sometimes do work on Linux and I like it. I completely agree with biju. Biju it's good to have such an inspiring member in the group. Sometimes members are so newbie that they are not able to put in appropriate search keywords thus getting huge listing in google which is of no use. In such case we need to help them. Amish I also agree with you. We do need to keep guys reminding that before posting simple questions one should try finding solution on their own. This helps to groom our members to become independent and gradually they can also start helping other members of group. Hey guys, I just wanted to know that if the next GLUG meet is at Netcore (Mumbai) then can I attend the same. My friend Nehal is also working over there [Hey NEHAL, are you listening? Are you too the member of this group? :))]. Always glads.... =============================================================== Biju Wrote: ----------- Dear All, I know its very irritating when people ask simple questions.....but from my point of view we should encourage all types of questions rather that pointing at google or man. Its true amish, that individuals do not utilise the existing information before shooting questions, but often most of my solutions come from existing replies on mailing lists all around the world, indexed by google. Preassumptions on how the member utilizes the information or on whether he/she uses it or not is not worthwhile probing into. Maybe the enlightened can provide exact links for a particular topic to reduce the time taken for searches. As for the question on Connecting to a Win2k using sambav3, my suggestion is using LinNeighborhood http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/redirect.php?id_download=9855 I personally use it to browse the network..! bye rgds biju =============================================================== This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Encourage questions..!
by lawrence_d＠sifycorp.com 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Quoting Srinivasan Krishnan <skrishnan(a)primus.ca>: > On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 09:57, Philip Tellis wrote: > > Sometime Today, BIJU KRISHNAN assembled some asciibets to say: > > > > > I know its very irritating when people ask simple questions.....but > > > > from my point of view we should encourage all types of questions > > > > It isn't just irritating, it is an inefficient waste of resources. > > > > Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. > > Teach him to fish, and he will never go hungry. > > > > Encourage the right questions. Don't encourage laziness (except when > > > it promotes reusability :). > I agree with the whole fishing adage, but that would mean ...U dont need to give a direct reply to a simple Q, but atleast point the guy in the right direction to get his ans...and not totally ignore it all together. After all he might not have the time or bandwidth to go run queries around the place and hence had to turn to this LUG as a last resort. - Lawrence.

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Encourage questions..!
by BIJU KRISHNAN 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Dear All, I know its very irritating when people ask simple questions.....but from my point of view we should encourage all types of questions rather that pointing at google or man. Its true amish, that individuals do not utilise the existing information before shooting questions, but often most of my solutions come from existing replies on mailing lists all around the world, indexed by google. Preassumptions on how the member utilizes the information or on whether he/she uses it or not is not worthwhile probing into. Maybe the enlightened can provide exact links for a particular topic to reduce the time taken for searches. As for the question on Connecting to a Win2k using sambav3, my suggestion is using LinNeighborhood http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/redirect.php?id_download=9855 I personally use it to browse the network..! bye rgds biju __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Passwd encryptions
by King S 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

From: "Amit D Karia" To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: 29 Dec 2004 12:19:08 -0000 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Passwd encryptions Hi would like to know abt this command of red hat linux grub-md5-crypt its easy to encrypt the passwd from this command but how to store the encrypted password ,,, And again is it possible to decrypt the passwd And also do let me know abt 'idecrypt'command is it possible to decrypt the passwd from the password Also tell me few others algorithams or commands of any flavor that would encrypt the normal text ,,, regs.. Hi, MD5 is not a enryption standard it just provides a "fingerprint" or message digest of a message of arbitrary length. The difficulty of coming up with any message having a given message digest is on the order of 2^128 operations,So basically its a one way encryption but it has a known collision weakness. idecrypt is used to decrypt encrypted responses from a pidentd server with DES encryption. grub-md5-crypt is just used to get the fingerprint of the user pass to protect grub modification there are lots of encryption standards like blowfish ,md4,md5 ,SHA1 ,SHA2 ,DES and Triple DES, Serpent , twofish and famous CRC !! Hope this clarify. King --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do?

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Passwd encryptions
by King S 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

From: "Amit D Karia" To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: 29 Dec 2004 12:19:08 -0000 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Passwd encryptions Hi would like to know abt this command of red hat linux grub-md5-crypt its easy to encrypt the passwd from this command but how to store the encrypted password ,,, And again is it possible to decrypt the passwd And also do let me know abt 'idecrypt'command is it possible to decrypt the passwd from the password Also tell me few others algorithams or commands of any flavor that would encrypt the normal text ,,, regs.. Hi, MD5 is not a enryption standard it just provides a "fingerprint" or message digest of a message of arbitrary length. The difficulty of coming up with any message having a given message digest is on the order of 2^128 operations,So basically its a one way encryption but it has a known collision weakness. idecrypt is used to decrypt encrypted responses from a pidentd server with DES encryption. grub-md5-crypt is just used to get the fingerprint of the user pass to protect grub modification there are lots of encryption standards like blowfish ,md4,md5 ,SHA1 ,SHA2 ,DES and Triple DES, Serpent , twofish and famous CRC !! Hope this clarify. King --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today!

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[ILUG-BOM] How to unistall packages in debian along configuration files.
by Santosh Laxman Kyadari 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

Hi, This is santosh K. It would be thankfull If any one tell me how to uninstall packages in debian along with configuration files of the package. I have tried apt-get --purge remove exim4. But this does not delete the conf. files. and more on I would like to know how to see the installed packages in debian. Any help in this regards will be thankfull. Regards, Santosh K.

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How to : convinience package (or virtual package)
by tifr stud 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

We need to know the following. How to create a virtual or convinience package for debian web site listing. For example a package called 'kdeedu' contains all the educational packages like khangman,kalzium etc. What they have done is kdeedu has dependencies on all the packages that constitute kdeedu itself. Is that how u create a virtual package?? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

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indic avsap released
by Kenneth Gonsalves 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

hi, avsap for italian tamil hindi gujarati telugu is now out: http://avsap.sourceforge.net telugu and gujarati have not been tested, but should work. A big thanks to Karunakar and his team for all the help given regards kg

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Venue for meeting at 9th.
by Amish Munshi 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Hello all, Where can we have the meeting on 9th? What is the agenda? Amish.

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