Linuxers January 2005

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple default routes!
by Ashok Iyer 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

> Actually, its a perfectly legal situation. But software like route AFAIK > does'nt allow you to set multiple routes. > You can use iproute command to do that. > You can give routing priorities also etc. > HTH > Supreet Ashok Iyer wrote: >Hi, > >I am using a RH 9.0 host. >I know that multiple 'default' routes do not make sense. But still >I can add multiple default routes via 'route add default gw <ip-address> >command. Is this some feature that I do not understand? > >I guess that the behaviour will be as follows if I have 'two default >routes'. If the first default gateway is reachable, the packets will >be routed through that gateway. If it is unreachable, the packets will >be routed through the other gateway. > >This may be totally incorrect, but I really cannot think of any other >possibility. > > >Regards, >Ashok 'route ' does allow to set multiple default gateways. For e.g. route add default gw x.x.x.x and then route add default gw y.y.y.y This is where I am confused. Since this facility is provided, what is it useful for? I am facing a problem due to this, in that I am unable to ping out of my subnet when the DHCP servers of the two subnets each assign a default gateway to my machine. So I have two default gateways. Regards, Ashok http://www.patni.com World-Wide Partnerships. World-Class Solutions. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message may contain proprietary, confidential or legally privileged information for the sole use of the person or entity to whom this message was originally addressed. Any review, e-transmission dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error kindly delete this e-mail from your records. If it appears that this mail has been forwarded to you without proper authority, please notify us immediately at netadmin(a)patni.com and delete this mail. _____________________________________________________________________

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January 9, 2005 GLUG meet
by Venkatesh Hariharan 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

The January 9th GLUG meet will be held at Netcore's Parel office [1] at 3PM. The topic for this GLUG meet is Open Source Architecture and the speaker will be Satish Mohan of Red Hat. This GLUG meet will also see us giving a farewell to G Karunakar, the technical lead for the Indlinux.org project. Karunakar has played a tremendous role in resolving the technical issues around Indian language computing and his expertise has been sought by FLOSS localization groups in Nepal, Bhutan and other countries. We will sorely miss him and wish him the best for his future plans. Wish you all a happy 2005! Venky [1] Directions to Netcore (www.netcore.co.in) Office Address: Netcore Solutions Pvt. Ltd. 402, Peninsula Chambers, Ganpat Rao Kadam Marg, Lower Parel (West), Mumbai 400 013. India. Tel: +91 (22) 5662 8000 Directions to reach our office: The nearest train stations are Lower Parel (Western Line, about 10 mins walk) and Currey Road (Central Line, about 20 mins walk). If you are coming from Mahalaxmi Station, take Senapati Bapat Marg (Tulsi Pipe Road), you will pass Phoenix Mills on the left. Do not take the flyover. Keep going staight next to the flyover (below), and at the 4-way intersection (there is a traffic light), make a left, and then an immediate right into Peninsula Corporate Park. In the complex (you will see two buildings under construction), come to Peninsula Chambers, a 6-storeyed glass building with a cell tower on the top. We are on the 4th floor. >From Worli Naka, make a left onto Ganpat Rao Kadam Marg, go past Shriram Mills. We are ahead of A-Z Industrial estate towards the intersection with Senapati Bapat Marg (Tulsi Pipe Road). You will see an entrance on the left for Peninsula Corporate Park. In the complex (you will see two buildings under construction), come to Peninsula Chambers, a 6-storeyed glass building with a cell tower on the top. We are on the 4th floor. >From Dadar (Western railway) station side, if you are coming on Senapati Bapat Marg (Tulsi Pipe Road), don't take the flyover which starts at Kamala Mills. Go below it, and make a right at the next junction. This is Ganpat Rao Kadam Marg. Make a right into Peninsula Corporate Park. In the complex (you will see two buildings under construction), come to Peninsula Chambers, a 6-storeyed glass building with a cell tower on the top. We are on the 4th floor. Our building is right next to Orange and behind Piramal/Wellspring Hospital. We are in the same building as Airtel, JWT, Mindshare, Amarchand Mangaldas, Kotak Mahindra Insurance and ICICI OneSource. Parking is available in the basement - the first level has 10 parking slots for Netcore (numbers 1-10). -0-

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Re: Personal Diary software for Linux
by VC Bothra 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

I'll recommend a blogging tool for maintaining a diary / personal log. Wordpress is a PHP / MySQL blogging tool having a vibrant community and large installed base. Its licensed under GPL. http://www.wordpress.org/ Veer. http://www.blogstreet.com/ Blog Profile, RSS Ecosystem, Blog Tops, Search and Directory

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Kernel files
by Amit D Karia 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi all, I would like to know some thing abt kernel image files Kernal files are located at two places one in /boot partition nd the other on /usr/lib parition which is the actual nd which is the image file do ,,,, which is the source to compile the file regs,, Amit

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Personal Diary software for Linux
by Ninad 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi Is there a personal diary like software for Linux It should show the current day/date and time and one can write the daily happenings/events etc in it which will be stored. Thanks and Regards Ninad Bapat

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Different sender name in messages send by mail
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Dear Amish Munshi You may be using mailx instead of mail command. I get following error (i.e syntax of mail command) when it is run as you suggested #cat email.txt | mail -s "subject" -r sender(a)domain1.com receiver(a)domain2.com mail: invalid option -- r Usage: mail [-iInv] [-s subject] [-c cc-addr] [-b bcc-addr] to-addr ... [- sendmail-options ...] mail [-iInNv] -f [name] mail [-iInNv] [-u user] Bilal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

On Friday 31 December 2004 18:50, Manoj Ovhal wrote: > Around three years back I was using Linux as a router for one cyber > cafe in Goa, > I encountered different problems with Linux. I left Goa, and our strange. I have used GNU/Linux as the os for a router, loadbalancer (Trevor remember that ;-) ), desktop, videoconfernece appliance, ATM control and god only knows what else. The load balancer installation has been booted accidentally once since the installation 3 yrs?? ago.) Never faced a problem in any of the above. And these include business critical apps in a bank. Another one currently on is a call center using nothing but GNU/Linux. Dont blame GNU if u do not have the guts to learn it well. GNU/Linux beats the S@#$ out of everything else. Some apps sometimes lack eyecandy but a little coding remedies that. And if u are offering a service or product YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for providing the missing bits. > company left the maintenance contract with the cyber cafe. Some > body else walked into the maintenace contract & they simply > installed Windows with DLinks Internet Sharer. > The list of problems > 1) Customer Support & maintenance is not possible until & unless > there is someone skilled in Linux. Do u expect to pick the next MS certified zombie and get a job done? Most of them dont know classes of internet addresses. U have to get the skillset or know the stuff to run a bussiness. Are Linux skills expensive? on a per man metric - yes. On a productivity metric - no. One Linux guy can easily handle 8 to 10 small to medium networks. The number of visits required reduces rapidly with time as opposed to exponential increase with m$. Further because of M$ product vulnerabilities service calls tend to bunch and peak together. > 2) Though We used Linux as a router, other PCs were with windows > only. > 3) I got many problems while configuring it as I was also > very much new in Linux at that time. I couldnt get help from > anywhere in Goa.(I am talking about three years back). Many times I > have to find help myself. Its like swimming in a sea without enoghh > knowledge of swimming. U said it. Dont offer a boat ride to others unless u can swim very well. If u thought that u can make a bussiness of GNU/Linux by buying two elcheapo cds u are very mistaken. > 4) ... It means one PC is fully blocked only as a > router, means loss of around Rs. 400 a day. Heard of a cisco router. A low end router costed upwards of Rs.50000 then and required a CCNA to install and maintain. 50000 for a static router. Even now a pc with linux is a better router. > 5) Many sites are specially designed to work with IE. > > I dont think the situation is changed so much now a days also. The situation is this 1) without hard work, knowledge and money to build and run a bussiness u are doomed. 2) Costing is tricky if u do not factor in all the variables. 3) In the long term GNU/Linux is a far cheaper, secure and hassle free foundation for running a bussiness. And the above is not about to change in the forseeable future. In this thread we find a hundred silly excuses for laziness. Be happy that u have been given every tool u can imagine to learn, build and run a bussiness or skill without spending a penny and an environment filled with helpful people and which does not require doing anything illegal or immoral to succeed. You have been empowered to help yourself and others (who are not so disgustingly lazy). I have had replies to my problems from the developers of complex stuff like gnomemeeting and features added on request - but after i have run thru page after page of google and mail archives. And if u find problems work on eliminating those by aquiring skilled people or aquiring the skill and by not whinning. rgds jtd

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Meeting - Jan 9 - suggested topic
by Vickram Crishna 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Dear Mumbai Linuxers May I suggest a topic for the meeting? This is to meet an urgent and very real need of a service group that I happen to think is particularly important to India, and Mumbai as well. The service group is cybercafe operators. Currently, as many of you know, cybercafes are very tiny outfits, aside from the hyped up Sifys and Webworlds, which are just a handful. Most of these outfits use Windows in various flavors - I hesitate to call it MS Windows, for the simple reason that most copies are in fact pirated and of poor quality (now, now, let's not get ;-) nasty everyone, about the quality of the native product). As a result, when the police get into one of their sudden spurts of public spirit and barge into these little corner shops, enthusiastically rounding up customers and owners indiscriminately, while purportedly looking for offcolour downloads and spies around every corner, they have a very easy and genuine excuse for harassment - illegal software. The current level of hafta is around one month's gross revenue for a small cafe, renewable whenever the local officer concerned gets transferred and a new one comes around hungry. So what's the solution, and how can we help? Most of these businesses are really small, and are quite technically unequipped to deal with issues of software and hardware. They depend on small assemblers for their low cost machines, and this usually means the machines come preloaded with some form of Windows OS, and the usual slew of applications that customers want. I don't know what cybercafe customers actually want by way of applications, and I suspect that not many of us do either. What I am suggesting is that we turn the LUG meet into a session where representatives of both cybercafes and small assemblers can come, with the objective being to make a wish-list. We need to find out what the statistically typical hardware configuration is, what the commonly used applications are, and to make a distro that will install on most cybercafe machines. This distro can be duplicated either by members for a small fee, or turned over to the cybercafe reps at some point, or distributed through Mumbai IT magazines, or whatever. These points need to be worked out in consultation with the target audience ie., the owners and the assemblers. Idea is of course ease of use for both cybercafe owners and for the assemblers, who as you know are hardly aware that there are any choices in OS other than Windows. I think that although the owners are really very small businesses, and as a group quite unorganised, we may possibly be able to create a set of local micro-businesses for members doing this (keeping the distros updated and uniform over time). I am thinking not just of the task of making readymade distros, but of low cost training (neighborhood informal training schools) for assemblers and their techies. If this idea sounds interesting to you all, please do offer your yeas or nays here on the list. Dr Jitu Shah is already sensitised to this matter, and has I understand offered the use of the C-DAC offices in Nariman Point (capacity 60 persons seating) for a meeting on the subject. 9 Jan sounds like a good date for such a meeting, kicking off the new year on a very positive and socially useful manner. I do hope that some or all of you agree. >On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 11:49, Amish Munshi wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Where can we have the meeting on 9th? >> What is the agenda? >> >> Amish. > >We can do this at MET this time--around 60 of their students are likely >to attend. Satish Mohan of Red Hat is willing to talk on Open Source >Architecture. This talk was also given at the Calcutta LUG and around >100 people attended. > >Venky -- Vickram

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IRC server for ILUG-Mumbai !
by Saurabh Sawant 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi guys, Since the website http://www.ilug-bom.org.in is hosted on a server at TIFR ( i think so ) , can we have an IRC server set up there so that, there can be more interaction, fast responses and good discussions ? As for improving the ettiquete of this mailing list , we can invite people who make mistakes to a room at IRC and teach them the proper way. And also, i think it will also compliment this wonderful mailing list. I request Sir Nagarjuna to look into this. Regards, Saurabh Sawant ! :) _________________________________________________________________ The hottest products! The coolest discounts! http://www.msn.co.in/shopping Get them all at MSN Shopping!

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debian sarge mirror/iso's
by Guntupalli Karunakar 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

Hi, anyone having debian mirror(sarge) or iso's. I want the most recent one which includes KDE 3.3.x & Gnome 2.8.x atleast. I can get my HDD to copy it or take ISO's on CD. THough i have the PCQuest Debian DVD, not sure if it has Gnome 2.8 & kde 3.3 . Regards, Karunakar

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Linuxers January 2005