Linuxers June 2005

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Most profound Linux/MS Comparison yet
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

>Well, it takes all kinds to make the world. But somehow the vendor just made my >day. I feel this guy should be invited to the next LUG meet. Should guarantee a good turnout and an interactive (read melee) session . Gishu

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Proposal for Debian Sarge Party
by cray III 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

hey all debian users out there... its been a week since sarge is released...its party time for all debian devs and users...how about we debian users and devs in and around Mumbai get together for a party!!so we can meet more debian fans in person... -- thanks </cray3>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Distribution Release: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

On Wednesday 08 June 2005 20:25, Pankaj Dekate wrote: > http://www.linux.org/news/2005/06/08/0006.html Thanks for pointing out. easily corrected by editing /etc/apt/sources.list then running apt-get.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Announce] OpenSolaris
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

On Tuesday 14 June 2005 22:26, Nadeem M. Khan wrote: > Dear all, > > OpenSolaris is to be released today! there is nothing open about opensolaris. U cant use solaris code with gpld code. Futher plenty of Solaris code is patented. so just reading the stuff and writing non CDDL (that is the solaris licence) code later could land you in a legal frying pan. BE WARNED. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Asrock MB refuses Mandrake.
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

On Tuesday 14 June 2005 22:24, Rony Bill wrote: > Hello All, > > Mandrake 10.1 does not install on the Asrock 845 chipset P 4i45 GV > mobo. > To cross check linux compatibility with this mobo, I have already used debian sarge on this one worked without a hitch. Uptime 40 days and counting. > live Knoppix 3.2 > was tried and it booted fine and gave me the desktop and even > played mp3s from the hdd. In case this may be of any help, the > first line in the knoppix boot up text messages was "PCI Device > 00:f1.1 not available due to conflicts". Any clues? at the knoppix bash prompt run lspci. u will get an o/p like 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AA IDE (rev 02) this will tell u what device is not functioning. Seems to be the ide. Turn off dma in the bios. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Ubuntu/Debian/Gentoo and updates: bandwidth?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

On Tuesday 14 June 2005 22:56, Satya wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 10:09:28PM +0530, Rony Bill wrote: > >All suggestions are most welcome. :) > Let's say you have a business where you go around installing this > hassle-free new computer system for people, which people. All are not equal. > How do they get updates? These systems must be kept updated, at > least once in 2 weeks, to do any good. Not necessarily. U as the knowledgeable vendor decides when your client needs an update. IMO critical systems (public access) need security updates maybe monthly or less depending on importance AND on what the competition is offering.such systems will have good bandwidth and remote updates from your repository will do a good job. Most linux desktops actually need an update once a quarter. Good customer relations require at least a quarterly visit by your service engineer. So unless it's something critical, that is the update cycle. > The usual way to do it is to > point the system at an online package repository. Bandwidth and > download limits in India cause this to be a big pain in the wallet > -- no ordinary user is going to do it and many technical users will > not want to. Not if you want to maintain good CR. Doing the above pitches you against RH / Novell and makes your CR critically dependent on dialup / cable / DSL. > So, any solutions? A local package mirror is one, but you still > have the last-mile link being a bottleneck. Update CDs that they > can subscribe to, that Rony can have delivered once a month or so? Ideal a quarterly update will cost about Rs.50/- per cd. *4=200 p.a. Great PR and the customer actually receives something in hand for the money he dishes out. Compare that with what M$ provides. rgds jtd

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First Customer Put on Linux
by Rony Bill 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

Hello All, Today I got my first customer to get into linux. The machine was an Intel Original GLVA with a Celeron 2 Ghz. cpu, 256 Mb RAM. The distro loaded was Mandrake 10.1. The sound device got detected smoothly and it gave the boot up music too on login. The system uses a LAN cablenet as well as a dialup (when the lan is down). I used the gui to setup the same in Mandrake. This cablenet is luckily direct with no PPPoE. The ip address was a static one and in windows, it has a domain and host name in the dns setting that is necessary. However that was a mistake to do in linux as the search domain is different from domain entry in windows. The eth0 would not connect to the net. Then I created the ppp0 connection and that too did not connect to the net. The problem was that the ppp0 picked up the dns server entry of the eth0. Both the connections were removed and first the ppp0 was setup and it went on the net smoothly. Then the eth0 was created again but this time, no names were used at all. Omly ip, subnet mask, gateway and dns-server-ip. That did the trick and the eth0 was up and running on the net. There is a very nice control on the task bar for disconnecting and reconnecting the eth0 link and that adds added safety of disconnecting the link when the user is not on the net. It reconnects successfully. Thunderbird, firefox and firestarter was added. One nice feature of the firestarter firewall is that if you leave the program running in the task bar and reboot, then on login, it asks the user to enter the root password and starts the firewall, like a reminder. There was one problem though on reboot. The sound server gave startup errors and the sound went dead. It was getting too late to investigate but It must be something about the automatic bios setting that was discussed by some members here. Its irq may be shifting??? The video player does not play VCDs now. But that is a minor issue and the cus. will use windows for multimedia for the time being. Maybe on my next visit.... What surprised me was the ease with which the cust. took to linux in one shot inspite of the various logins and password entries. I had not anticipated that. Anyway, a good start. :) Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Ubuntu/Debian/Gentoo and updates: bandwidth?
by Satya 15 Jun '05

15 Jun '05

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 10:09:28PM +0530, Rony Bill wrote: >All suggestions are most welcome. :) Going off on a tangent and starting a new thread. (I did reply to an existing message, but I removed the headers and changed the subject.) Let's say you have a business where you go around installing this hassle-free new computer system for people, so they don't have to worry about Windows problems and also don't have to worry about package management, root, etc. I'm referring to Ubuntu of course. Or even if slightly advanced users wanted Gentoo or Debian. What follows below still stands. How do they get updates? These systems must be kept updated, at least once in 2 weeks, to do any good. The usual way to do it is to point the system at an online package repository. Bandwidth and download limits in India cause this to be a big pain in the wallet -- no ordinary user is going to do it and many technical users will not want to. So, any solutions? A local package mirror is one, but you still have the last-mile link being a bottleneck. Update CDs that they can subscribe to, that Rony can have delivered once a month or so? Thoughts? -- Satya. http://www.thesatya.com/ He's not dead, Jim, he's just metabolically challenged.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] First Customer Put on Linux
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 14 Jun '05

14 Jun '05

On Monday 13 June 2005 22:04, Rony Bill wrote: > Hello All, > > > The video player does not play VCDs now. But that is a > minor issue and the cus. will use windows for multimedia for the > time being. Maybe on my next visit.... > Is the sound half duplex? likely that the sound card modules are not listed in /etc/modules. You should setup a ras service with the dialup. Ask the customer to turn on the modem, dialin, login and administer. No need to visit. Or if he has a public ip, ssh and administer. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian Sarge CDs available
by Kartik Mistry 14 Jun '05

14 Jun '05

>--- V P <list307(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Debian 3.1 Sarge CDs are now available with me. The 14 CD set will >cost Rs. 300 plus Rs 30 courier charges. Those interested mail me off >list. > >vjp Hi, Can I get only CDs without source ? Means I need CDs for x86 binaries only. How many CDs it will be ? Let me know! If you are in Mumbai, I can take CDs from your place.. Thanks! ---- Kartik B. Mistry ---- GNU/Linux Enthu/Developer, Blog: kartikm.blogspot.com Phone: +91-22-56857396 (R) _____________________________________________________________ LinuxTimes.Net --> An Online Linux Magazine

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