Linuxers April 2006

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Hide headers with command line
by Amit 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi All, Is there any way thru which i can hide my mail headers wen i am sending a mail thru command line i.e telnet <mail server> smtp. I tride RET=full option while giving sender's id but even that is showing ip of mail server. is there any way i can hide complete header of my mail? Rgds AK "I like to walk in the rain so that no one can see me crying" Rgds AK +919819851812

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Mumbai Asterisk User Meet - 29th April 2006
by Mitul Limbani 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

Hi Arun, Quoting "Arun K. Khan" <knura(a)yahoo.com>: > Hi Mitul, > > This is Arun here, we met @ LinuxAsia2006 earlier this year. I am > interested in Asterix but cannot make it on 29th. Is your company an > Asterisk distributor in India? Yes i do remember you :) (oh btw its "Asterisk - *" ... Asterix is cartoon character) It would be great if you can join us, in any case we shall be organizing this every month, so you can join in any time. We are official Digium Hardware reseller, more over asterisk is opensource, free to download just like any other GPL'd software. There is nothing official about it ;) But yes, we are promoting Asterisk in most of the places in India and it would be great if you want to join hands in the effort (especially when India's Teledensity ratio has not reached its desired expectation) > BTW, did not expect you to hijack the "Digital Cert.." thread and create > this thread :) Oh did I? I did a fresh post, more over this is OT, hence put the relevant subject line. If you feel that I hijacked, then I apologize for the same. > Take care, > Arun Khan >> http://asterisk.pbx.in/blogs/asterisk-users-meet-april-2006 Thanks & Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions, The Enterprise Linux Company (R), www.enterux.com

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[OT] Digital Certificates
by Prasad 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

back to the thread, two things first: 1. I work in TCS, but am not here to defend it 2. Starting this thread back only to solve the problems with digital certificates issued by TCS-CA (I once worked on the digital cerficates and related tools support for GNU/Linux here). We tested the digital certificates with Firefox and OpenSSL on GNU/Linux and they did work. While I have no information about what M$ windows tools and software are being distributed along with the USB token, but as far as I know all those tools also exist for GNU/Linux - atleast inside TCS ;) We normally associate the lack of awareness of issues like vendor lock-in and the philosophy of FOSS etc., with non-IT people. The sad truth is that even with the IT community, there are lots of people who are not aware of these issues - lots of them in big companies like TCS. The older have an excuse but there are a huge number of youngsters who are not aware too! Well, in my opinion (a) this is not something done intentionally and knowingly; at best it is ignorance, at worst it is succumbing to a perceived convenience (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39168780,00.htm) and (b) as many people as possible should protest -- the objective is to raise awareness of the issue both in the user and the developer communities, not to blame or malign someone. will see if we can do anything about it, from inside! Prasad

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Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained
by Devdas Bhagat 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

----- Forwarded message from Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> ----- From: Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:55:49 -0400 To: linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid Hi. Would you ensure that my email gets to the mailing list? Thank you. -russ linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org writes: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > linuxers-owner(a)mm.glug-bom.org. > > Received: from pdam.crynwr.com > ([192.203.178.8] helo=ns2.crynwr.com ident=qmailr) > by cc4.tifr.res.in with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FY7q1-00082w-Ke > for linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:32 +0530 > Received: (qmail 1680 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: from rrcs-72-43-17-50.nys.biz.rr.com (HELO desk.crynwr.com) > (72.43.17.50) > by pdam.crynwr.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: (qmail 29917 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO desk.crynwr.com) (127.0.0.1) > by localhost with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: (from nelson@localhost) > by desk.crynwr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3OKdg1e029913; > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > From: Russ Nelson <nelson(a)crynwr.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Message-ID: <17485.14222.211817.868081(a)desk.crynwr.com> > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > To: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)gnowledge.org> > Cc: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > In-Reply-To: <20060424194645.28609.qmail(a)desk.crynwr.com> > References: <20060424194645.28609.qmail(a)desk.crynwr.com> > X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid > X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.203.178.8 > X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nelson(a)desk.crynwr.com > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on cc4.tifr.res.in > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=3.0.3 > X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) > X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cc4.tifr.res.in) > > Hi. I'm Russell Nelson, a founding member of the OSI board of > directors. I travel to Mumbai from time to time, and I would be > extremely pleased to address you directly on this matter. Please tell > me when is the next Linux-centric conference in Mumbai, and I'll try > to wrangle my way there as a speaker. Hopefully they'll have fixed > the toy train up to Matheran by then. > > Nagarjuna: if you don't see this on the mailing list (because I'm not > subscribed to the list) please do me the courtesy of forwarding it to > the list. > > BCC'ed to the rest of the OSI board. > > Nagarjuna G. writes: > > This is a reply to the entire thread so far, so not quoting any of > > them. > > > > I wish to clarify the difference by example, between OSS and <free> > > (swatantra/mukta/ajadi) software. > > Alas, your example is incorrect. Pine isn't open source, as it > doesn't use an OSI-approved open source license. Neither is scilab. > They both claim that they are open source, but please .... if you want > Open Source Software, look for the OSI-Approved trademark. If you > don't see it, then you should assume that the software is not open source. > > You may take this to be a flaw of the term "Open Source", but do > please remember that Microsoft distributes free software. You know, > free as in Kingfisher. > > > Therefore, all <free> software is open source, but not vice versa. So, > > free software is a proper subset of open source software. > > Nope. The mapping of free software to open source software is one to > one and onto. > > > The use of the term 'open source' by the OSI may have created a nice > > term for the tongue, but at the cost of freedom. > > Please see my blog entry: > http://blog.russnelson.com/opensource/the-price-of-freedom.html > > Still warm off the presses -- I wrote it for you. Custom blogging, in > real time. > > > Still, it is surprising that OSI advocates seldom talk of the > > values like freedom. > > We don't, and we don't tell people why either. But I'll let you in on > the secret. Richard appeals to intellectuals by advocating for the > concept of freedom. Intellectuals constitute a minority, say 10% of > the population. We appeal to the majority by advocating for the value > of freedom. The other 90% of the population whom Richard cannot reach > will be convinced by the experience of freedom rather than the concept > of freedom. > > I want to be clear here: the 10% of the population who are > intellectuals (which I expect includes most members of glug-bom), are > MOST effectively reached by Richard's advocacy. We need him. We do > not dismiss him. He says that he doesn't need us, and he asks you to > dismiss us by claiming that freedom is not important to us. We prefer > to push the experience of freedom over the concept and term "freedom". > > Shuzan held out his short staff and said "If you call this a short > staff, you oppose its reality. If you do not call it a short staff, > you ignore the fact. Now, what do you wish to call it?" > > Experienced any freedom lately? > > -- > --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com | A computer without Python is > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | like a CPU without memory: > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | it runs, but you can't do > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | anything useful with it. > ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Digital Certificates
by Prasad 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Hi, My comments inline. Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > Prasad wrote: >> back to the thread, two things first: >> >> 1. I work in TCS, but am not here to defend it >> 2. Starting this thread back only to solve the problems with digital >> certificates issued by TCS-CA (I once worked on the digital cerficates >> and related tools support for GNU/Linux here). >> >> We tested the digital certificates with Firefox and OpenSSL on GNU/Linux >> and they did work. While I have no information about what M$ windows >> tools and software are being distributed along with the USB token, but >> as far as I know all those tools also exist for GNU/Linux - atleast >> inside TCS ;) > MCA-21 is a new system that the Department of Company Affaires has > implemented from today. > Under that system, all documents which were earlier submited to them on > paper now needs to be done in digital form. > The forms are there in digital form, which needs to be filled on your PC > / Laptop, then there are buttons that are to be clicked and it takes the > digital signature from the token and adds it to the file. Finally, the > entire document with the signatures (and I believe encrypted) is > uploaded to the MCA-21 server through a portal. > > I do not know, first if the form works in linux > second if the token will be recorgnised from linux (the TCS guys told me > it will - I mentioned that in the OP, but only for basic features.) > Since I know very little about digital certificates, I thought the LUG, > and people like Dr. Nagarjuna will be able to ensure it works properly > and that we dont get locked out. > I will *try* to get TCS-CA put a proper how-to on using the digital certificates on GNU/Linux. The how-to should include information on installing the usb-token, documentation on how to sign/encrypt files using tools available on GNU/Linux. > In addition, TCS is giving some software that will make it easier to > manage the digital signing of documents and to use the digital signature > / digital certificate for all other purposes (other than MCA-21). They > have not demonstrated that software, they just mentioned it. When I > asked the question specifically about linux and mac, they told me that > it has been made on windows as most computers work on windows only. > > If the software works on Linux, that is the best, if it does not, and > there are alternate tools in linux which do the same thing, it is also > acceptable. If the TCS reps and their partners inform people how they > can get such features to work on Linux, it would be an added advantage. > Ofcourse they didnt expect an accountant to come over and ask them about > Linux and drivers....... :-) > > That is my intention of posting the message here. Would even try to contact the MCA-21 team and tell them that there are users looking forward for GNU/Linux support. Prasad >> >> We normally associate the lack of awareness of issues like vendor >> lock-in and the philosophy of FOSS etc., with non-IT people. The sad >> truth is that even with the IT community, there are lots of people who >> are not aware of these issues - lots of them in big companies like TCS. >> The older have an excuse but there are a huge number of youngsters who >> are not aware too! >> >> Well, in my opinion (a) this is not something done intentionally and >> knowingly; at best it is ignorance, at worst it is succumbing to a >> perceived convenience >> (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39168780,00.htm) >> and (b) as many people as possible should protest >> -- the objective is to raise awareness of the issue both in the user and >> the developer communities, not to blame or malign someone. >> >> will see if we can do anything about it, from inside! >> >> >> Prasad >> >> >

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Firefox and Yahoo
by ronbillypop＠yahoo.co.uk 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Hello All, I happened to visit a yahoo groups site and in the photo album section I could only see blank squares instead of thumbnails. On clicking the photos I get an empty space that resembles the photo size but no photo in it. If I right click on the empty space and select 'view image', it opens a new page and then downloads the image. Same with thumbnails too. On Netscape in Windows, everything shows normally. I checked the page source and its mostly javascript which exists in Linux too so why this behaviour. If anyone else is on any yahoo group that gives album access then please try viewing the album in Firefox. I have enabled java script in firefox and for this test I had enabled java too but still no result. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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5.1 Sound cards under Alsa/Gentoo
by Sriram N 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Hi all: I have an Audiotrak Prodigy 5.1 LT Card ( known in the ALSA world as ICE1724 (Envy 24 HT/PT). The card has Front, Rear, BS(HP), CW and Digital out connectors for audio. I want to get 5.1 audio to work on Gentoo Linux 2006. Here's what I've configured on kernel 2.6.15: - Alsa enabled (nothing else in the alsa sub menu enabled) - Alsa drivers emerged (1.0.10) - Alsa 1.0.11 drivers installed separately after the 1.0.10 was unmerged. I get audio on only the Front and BS connectors. I don't get audio on the Rear or the CW connectors. I don't have any audio accessory capable of connecting to the digital audio connector. I am about to read the alsa-project site wiki. However, I'm new to 5.1 audio and have some newbit-class questions: 1. Does anyone have experience with using 5.1 or 7.1 sound cards under Linux ? 2. Are there are special settings that you need to do ? 3. Are there any special audio connectors ? 4. I have stereo and mono MP3 files that I wish to play via GStreamer and xmms. What will I have to do to get such audio out of all four audio connectors ? Thanks in advance for all responses. -- Sriram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Port numbers bound in Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

What is the range of port numbers bind to different applications in Redhat Linux 9.0? Any command, other than netstat to find out that? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com

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Networking skills...
by Frederick Noronha (FN) 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Can someone help a friend in Belgaum? Networking skills? FN From: Nitin Bilgi <nbbbgm(a)rediffmail.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | fred(a)bytesforall.org Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 ---------------------------------------------------------- Pics from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/popular-views/

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Digital Certificates
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Hi Everyone, I attended a lecture at Indian Merchants Chambers yesterday on the new government rule called MCA-21. The new rule provides that all document sumbitted to the Ministry of Company Affaires now needs to be given in digital form only. They will no longer accept physical documents. Further, each of these documents will have to have a digital signature of the persons who were earlier required to sign the physical documents. This is the first step to moving all governement documents to digital form and save huge time and cost of users now wasted in standing in line and submitting documents to the government. The next will be Tax authorities, followed by Excise and Customs. Land Records are expected to be next thereafter. There are 7 companies in India who are authorised to issue digital certificates recorgnised under the Information Technology Act. TCS is one who was present at the seminar and demonstrated the use of the digital certificates. For those who have not used them, these are stored by TCS on USB Tokens, which look like USB Pen drives but are read-only 32KB drives with processors built in. You are supposed to insert in the token in the UCB port and then ask the Online-Form to pick up the digital certificate from the token and add it to the document to submit to the government. These certificates are based on 128 bit encryption and PKI. TCS assured me that it is designed to work both on Linux and Mac in addition to Windows and that they are including the relevant drivers with the token. However, the additional software tools they are providing for automating digital signatures on other documents will work only on Windows. I would like to know if any of you have used the Digital Siganture / Digital Certificates that is being issued under MCA-21 and can confirm that it works properly on Linux. The other providers of Digital Certificates includes MTNL. While TCS is charging Rs. 2075 for a 1 year valid certificate, MTNL is charging Rs. 350. They are sending it to you on email !! Ofcourse, they are doing this only at Malabar Hill Exchange and you have to go personally to their office and they will verify that you are the person whose name is on the form and your address, photo, etc. I do not know much on Digital Certificates. However with this becoming a major part of commercial and business transactions, I hope what the government is doing does not work only on Windows. If necessary, we (or perhaps FSF) will need to initiate a dialog with the government. In the next year, it is estimated that just government requirment will result in over 1 million digital certificates being issued. I think the actual figure will be close to 5 million as more government depatments like Income Tax, Sales Tax, Excise and Customs departments move to "digital documents only" mode. (Just imagine - if every shop keeper needs to file his sales tax returns online and needs a digital certificate to be able to upload the return to the government). It would be very important for us to ensure that Linux gets supported in the process. Regards Saswata

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