Linuxers July 2006

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Re: July GLUG meet, and Mumbai Press Club...
by Roshan 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

> While the bandwidth and infrastructure war rages on, > can anybody give > some feedback regarding the propsed (by Anurag) July > GLUG meet to > coincide with the Mumbau Press Club presentation? > Are we having it? I too am curious to know. Are we having it together? Somaiya Vidyavihar has its own campus newspaper, VOICES, and perhaps, this session may seem useful for that. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[ANN] call for foss student fellows
by Kenneth Gonsalves 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

hi NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC is looking for foss student fellows and mentors. Details here: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/full/AN/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org

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[OT] Indian progress after 50 years
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

On 7/10/06, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray <debarshi.ray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well I do not know what was India's condition 50 years back. But I > have often heard my grand father say, that India had enough gold in it > is exchequer to buy England! Coming back to serious business, the Yes, and all that gold was concentrated to a very very small population. Now the situation has slightly improved. Now the moolah is concentrated to a very small population (note that there's one less 'very'). We had close to 90% population which was poor after our independence. The figure has improved after 50 years. We are counted among the more important nations around the world in many respects (defence, commerce, politics). Give it 50 more years and then I think we should be in a position to judge whether we have done well as a nation or not. > current policy of reservations, etc.. would surely make us a 'African' > nation before long. Dr. Kalam's 2020 goal would just remain a distant > dream. :-/ We have "representatives of the common man" in executive power and not visionaries. All reforms are a means to get votes and not for true upliftment. Due to this we have some half baked reforms like reservations. I'm not completely against reservations; they should be implemented in a different manner and at a different level. Reservations in primary schools should be enforced to make sure every child gets atleast the best quality of basic education (upto 12th). Once the playing field levels out there, we can have a fair grounds to judge merit. We are in no position to judge true merit now. Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Siddhesh Poyarekar" <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers@mm.glug-bom.org> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:33:03 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] bandwidth patter
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

> We have come all the way from being like an African nation to what we > are now in just over 50 years. That's a really big achievement. Well I do not know what was India's condition 50 years back. But I have often heard my grand father say, that India had enough gold in it is exchequer to buy England! Coming back to serious business, the current policy of reservations, etc.. would surely make us a 'African' nation before long. Dr. Kalam's 2020 goal would just remain a distant dream. :-/ Regards, Debarshi

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SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10
by Dinesh Joshi 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

JFYI, SuSE is about to release this "vista-killer". http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/47/7150.html Seems to be a great distro and somewhat better than Ubuntu Dapper Drake... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi

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[ot] bandwidth patterns
by Harsh Busa 10 Jul '06

10 Jul '06

Hi This is a snip off from a thread abt how sad some isps are monopolistic coz others bill you more etc ... I m just curious how much bandwidth does an average linuxer need each month ? I know it varies from person to person and all sorts of things but just curious. i browse , chat, email , upload photos , update critical upgrades ( whatever they are called ) each month, voip on skype and a few tools ... my appetite is about 700 - 1000 megs monthly. Harsh -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Dinesh Joshi wrote: ** deleted **** > Read my post carefully. Airtel is the only operator with certain plans > which none of the other operators are offering. Hence a monopoly. > Dinesh, you read carefully first. Making a commercial offer at a lower in price than competitors or different term is not monopoly. Your definition is wrong. Monopoly is like BEST in Mumbai, where no one else is ***allowed*** to ply public use bus services. If 2 cable tv companies, one offering a bundled service while others are offering a per channel cost, does not make the first guy a monopolist. Its a commercial offering, nothing stops others from offering the same, if they are not interested in offering that rate, it also is a commercial decision.....it does not make the other company a monopolist. eg - BSNL offers a student mobile connection at a flat rate of Rs. 100 per month. No other company makes that offer. But that does not make BSNL a monopoly. >> 4. I know the bandwidth and infrastructure prices in India. No player >> can offer decent Internet service without data-throughput caps. If > Excuse me, FLAG and TYCO were acquired by Reliance and TATA > respectively. TYCO alone has like 11000 Gigabits of /unlit/ capacity. > And were you aware the TRAI cut the prices of bandwidth ( leased > lines ) twice? Once it was by ~70%. > TRAI cut the price only because VSNL had monoploy right over the landing station signed 15 years ago. Before that, lease line prices were 20+ times higher than international rates. Besides, the cut was on account of distorted pricing levels between large and small users. The actual cut in rates was done by VSNL while it was still owned by the government. It will still need to come down to 1/4 of what it is today. >> 5. The internet service providers are going to provide services first >> where they can make more money. First they will target corporate >> business, then upmarket housing complex and when that market is > Right. Did you know the ARPU for their mobile operations is ~600INR? > While their potential ARPU for their BB operations can be ~1000INR or > more. Mobile voice arpu is around Rs. 240. It was 600 a long time ago. Worldwide, revenue shifted from voice to value added and data services. But I dont think the arpu for broad band is not Rs. 1000. Most of the connections sold in India are lower. >> 6. The small players can not set up decent infrastructure. Even in so >> called advance markets, there are only very large players in the ***deleted *** > Wait right there. Are you quoting those numbers just like that or do you > have any basis for them? I have done good amount of work in this sector. The figures are based on facts and figures from projects and reports. > Look at my first reply. Leased lines in India > are now costing nearly the same as that of the international markets > No. Anyway, it is not local leased lines, it is international data lines that make the difference. Do you know the cost of providing cable internet services in mumbai ? -You need to buy a bandwidth (Bharti, MNTL, Reliance). at 1:1 and not 1:4 compression -Then you need a local loop operator and pay local loop charges to the locality -Then you need to create and implement an POP (Point of presence) -Then you need to have fiber from the POP to the building -Then you need to local access point in the building to terminate fiber -Finally you will need to take a local wiring to the subscriber's place ***deleted *** > With VoIP being legal in India they are fearing that their Telecom > business will take a hit if they give out broadband connections. Who in > their right minds will pay a telco for a telephone call when he can > make free PC2PC, PC2POTS calls at dirt cheap prices? > PC2POTS calls will need to have a termination charge (see my previous mail). Termination Charge in India (local call) is 30 paisa. Add that to VOIP call cost, well, BPL charges me - Rs. 49 per min. MTNL charges Rs. 1.20 per 3 minute Mumbai to Delhi. VOIP still has a benefit only in International Calls. ****deleted****> > Well that is your usage pattern. But some people do like to contribute > to the legal torrent networks out there. Some people do like to stream > music, videos, have online conferences and like to watch online clips. > Some people actually use the internet for fun. Some people actually > visit youtube.com. Some people actually need to upload large files to > FTP servers for their work. Some people like to download, update their > favorite Linux distros. And some people do use Fedora Core 5 whose > installer / updater is configured by default to use YUM as their back > end and it becomes PAINFULLY slow when one has to wait several hours > for something to download and install. > Such people will therefore need to pay for the additional usage. That is the rule world wide, you pay for what you use. > ****deleted*** > Wake up and smell the coffee! This is not the shell era anymore. The web > is a rich multimedia experience which is hampered only by these slow / > data limited (but fast) connections. I wouldn't mind if these operators > put good amounts of download limits. I mean 40-60GB cap on a 256Kbps > connection is decent... > The connection is available is available, MTNL provides it, but you need to pay for it. 2 mbps, 60GB data limit....... Dont expect to get what you are not willing to pay for. You see, I smell the coffee every day. I work with numbers and with the kind of data you dont have and can only hear about. We use rich cross continent client application in our clients offices, We do voip and video conferencing, we upload and download files which are at times in GB. We work on massive databases and huge graphic imageing files, flash and streaming content files (all ofcourse at our clients offices as it is their work, not mine). Some time back, we did a marketing campaign run for a client where a rich image email was to sent out to 1.8 million registered users of a service. That is huge bandwidth requirement. But in each case, we are willing to pay for the bandwidth, you want to use the same bandwidth but do not want to pay. Regards Saswata

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] Who's the best police in the world?
by Siddhesh Poyarekar 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

On 7/9/06, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> wrote: > > Mumbai Police is the second best worldwide, > > who are the best? I think its the Scotland Yard. The Scotland Yard and the Mumbai Police are supposed to be the quickest to respond and have the most efficient and intelligent detectives. Siddhesh -- http://siddhesh.tk

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Unable to read DVDs in Ubuntu
by bombay news 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

How does one get DVDs to open in Ubuntu? I have a couple of DVDs from Digit magazine to check out. I followed several tips from the websites like installing mc, dvd:rip, etc, but no go. However CDs immediatly create a file on the desktop.... get the following error messages: 91 audio & 204 video codecs Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. Opening joystick device /dev/input/js0 Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory Can't init input joystick Setting up LIRC support... mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing dvd://1. libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd File not found: '1' Failed to open dvd://1 ------------------- shivkumar@shivkumar-desktop:~$ sudo ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/cdrom' to `/dev/dvd': File exists pl advise. sk _________________________________________________________________ Fall in Love... Get married! Join FREE! http://www.shaadi.com/ptnr.php?ptnr=msnhottag

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Linuxers July 2006