Linuxers July 2006

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ot] bandwidth patterns
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

> Well, I have noticed a trend among Winblows users that they use P2P to > download a LOT of pirated software and applications (so called warez) > and a huge amount of movies (read pr0n). If you visit all major Indian > torrent forums, you will see that almost all of them have some type of > broadband connection. > As for me, I do mail (which eats up a lot of traffic), then IRC (which > is also pretty heavy considering the number of channels and servers I am > in) and APT (which is also considerable). That eats up 1 GB each month, > many times even more than that when I dist-upgrade or something. > Well I have been using Linux since the days I did not have an Internet connection..and believe me without an internet connection its pretty difficult to get a Linux box do all the things that a windoze box would do(I am talkin about multimedia capabilities..for office stuff its fine coz OO.o is mostly preinstalled). Also the various dependencies etc take up a lot of downlaod MB's. I have a friend of mine who was actually finding it very difficult to manage all his yum downloads within the 400MB limit in TriBand. I am more fortunate to have unlimited download internet connection. What I wanna say is that average bandwidth usage is actually more in Linux than Windoze(p2p excluded) as the most common software in windoze like Winamp will be readily available from a friend as compared to say xine-libs ,libdvdcss and kaffeine!! (but what the heck..I still like Linux )For my part ...I need around 4-5GB per month for my Linux updates plus music downloads. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Airtel Broadband In Mumbai
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Quoting jtd: > On Sunday 09 July 2006 02:12 am, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > On Sunday 09 July 2006 01:37, Harsh Busa wrote: > > > I still donot see monopoloy anywhere . i donot understand this . > > > they donot have a billing system in place ... they donot have > > > field staff trained and etc etc hen why would you even go with > > > them even if they gave cheaper than 999 a month ! ... such > > > services wud be called beta and sud be marked free :D > > > > How many players are offering services in the same / similar > > segment? Only one. Thats airtel. Well then it is called monopoly... > > That is a virtual monopoly. There is no restriction on anybody setting > up an Internet service. It is not commercially viable outside limited > pockets to provide "propah" internet services. PC densities are > abysymal and usage patterns even worse. Moreover it is going to stay > that way until voice and voip is unshackled by babudom. At that point > small players will start creating the infrastructure neccessary for a > decent service. > This is an interesting point of view, but I am not sure of its validity. What is implied by 'propah'? The valuation of costs on the basis of downloads in entirely an artefact and bears little or no relation to the actual costs. How much are the other costs (I don't want to know someone's business plans, but merely an idea of the real cost of doing business as an ISP)? I am not sure we have members here who are or represent ISPs, but at least DB used to work for one and can perhaps enlighten us. If commercial organisations do not see value in providing an ethical service, then we need to evolve other models. I find it hard to believe that voip/voice is the only missing element that can make or break a data networking service. I hope I am not repeating something everyone knows (or that I may have posted already) but there will be a conference in Dharamsala in October this year (summit.airjaldi.com) focusing on wireless data naetworking for rural development. Issues of FLOSS will be prominent - I do hope some of you take an interest and sign up to conduct workshops/lectures on practical matters that may help nascent rural network operators understand better how to create viable networks. Or even urban service providers, but so far wifi seems to be the sole preserve of a few fantastically priced hotels and airports. --- Vickram

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Re: OEM, Ubuntu derivatives, FSF India
by Roshan 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

> What do you mean by ``creating'' a Edubuntu > Live CD? When I restarted my computer with Edubuntu CD inside the CD-ROM drive, it showed me Install to Hard Disk Install a workstation among the other common ones. There was no explicit menu for it to function as a LIVE CD. Hence the question! Please let me know, if I am supposed to select the option of Install to Hard disk, which later on, will give an option to select as a LIVE CD or install it. > It's the only > organisation of this type in Asia. Great! >http://gplv3.gnu.org.in/Main/Conference Is there a specific group of target audience ? The webpage states "We need to write about who the conference is meant to reach out to." __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Linux 2.6.17-3 and GF FX5200
by jtd 09 Jul '06

09 Jul '06

Has any one tried 2.6.17-3. 2.6.8.1 (sarge i386) keeps crashing on boot with a GF FX5200se agp card on an i845 mobo (onboard vga disabled). However booting with on board graphics enabled is fine. Strangely running X with Xinerama with both on board and the FX5200 and two monitors works like a charm - except for tvout on the FX5200 Was wondering wether to use 2.6..17-3 or 2.6.16-20. -- Rgds JTD

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[OT] Skype and Debian AMD64
by Kartik Mistry 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

Hi, Anyone have Skype+AMD64 working together? (Don't want chroot!) -- ------------------------------------- |Kartik Mistry |kartik.blogspot.com | | 0xD1028C8D |kartik.wordpress.com| -------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SuSe 10.1 issues
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

Well regarding the VCD problem....even in my FC5 box , VCD's dont play in Kaffeine(I tried for the first time yesterday.) But they played perfectly in Mplayer. With the Xine libs and w32 Dlls I could play MPG file extracted from VCD in Kaffeine. So I think its the problem with the new mounting system in SUSE and Fedora.(the one without the fstab entry)..till then use Mplayer. -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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OEM, Ubuntu derivatives, FSF India
by Roshan 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

A few questions, few Off-topic, and few others related. 1. What differs in a OEM product and a boxed product? This is in terms of CD-RW / DVD-R/RW drives. I have heard, in OEM drives its core (circuitry) is supplied by the original company, whereas, the casing etc, are assembled by the other. Boxed product include all necessary manuals, software and the drive is manufactured entirely by the company. Can someone confirm this? 2. I have received Ubuntu CD's of 6.06 (Dapper Drake) and 1 CD of Kubuntu, and 1 CD of Edubuntu, I had ordered for. Has anybody tried Edubuntu? Has anyone created a LIVE CD for Edubuntu? 3. From one of the emails in the previous lists, I came across, http://www.gnu.org.in. I didn't know, this portal was up, because, I visited only the internal pages of http://www.gnu.org (Philosophy, why GNU/Linux, etc). But, something that encourages me to be even more enthusiastic about, is that FSF India appears pretty distinguished on the website gnu.org Is it among Asian countries, that, India, is the only country, to have a portal and an active community of FSF? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by bombay news 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

Dear linuxers, The Mumbai Press Club is the latest to join the Linux bandwagon. The Club is providing a platform to demonstrate the benefits of Ubuntu Dapper to journalists in the city. Need volunteers to help break media persons into linux and other open source software like Scribus and GIMP the equivalents to Quark Express and Photoshop that are the main tools of the profession. It should be not take more than an afternoon and evening during a weekend (Friday/Saturday). Those interested may drop in a line at journoshiv (at) gmail.com so that we can work out a schedule. I am sure this would be an ideal opportunity to get more converts for Open Source. Regards Shiv Kumar Special Correspondent The Tribune, Mumbai. _________________________________________________________________ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at Bombay Press Club
by vvcrishna＠radiophony.com 08 Jul '06

08 Jul '06

> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need techies to demonstrate Ubuntu Dapper at > Bombay Press Club > To: linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org > Message-ID: <1152119993.44abf4b93a36b(a)qmail-a.directi.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Quoting Steven Joseph: > > > > > Hmm... techies who are into art and type setting........... > > A rare breed, i must say. > > > > It is also possible... and very desirable... to have a bunch of people into > art > and typesetting here to sharpen their skills on Gimp, Scribus etc. > > Vickram In fact, and probably I am at fault for not asking this before or even googling for it, are there any app user groups within the Indian Linux community? It seems to me this is probably the best way to get some sharp usage of apps and therefore linux based desktops accelerated. Most of the problems posed here on this list appear to be related to desktop or server issues. Someone made a rude ;-) comment about GIMP and scribus in re comparisons with better-known proprietary tools. I have used the former, not the latter, and in many ways it is as convenient as Photoshop. I saw a Scribus presentation at a major trade fair and was really impressed (I have used both Adobe and Quark). Vickram

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LPI certification - prep tutorials
by Arun K. Khan 07 Jul '06

07 Jul '06

FWIW, LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 prep tutorials by IBM. 1. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/libraryview.jsp 2. Topic/Product> Select Certifications 3. Type> Select Tutorials 4. Keyword> enter keywords w/o quotes "lpi exam topic" -- Arun Khan (knura at yahoo dot com) The number of arguments is unimportant unless some of them are correct. -- Ralph Hartley

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