Linuxers January 2009

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The virtualbox license --- clarification from the FAQ --
by Erach 14 Jan '09

14 Jan '09

please let me know (see previous mail which may not be put on the linuxusers list) 1. I have Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 from CANONICAL (ONLY security upgrades are free from 3 years). 2. How do I install virtualbox on Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 or should I say accomodate UBUNTU 8.10 ----- newer linux version --- free and legally for a 10 user organization or even say a 100 user organization ---- read the license below, i have to install it manually it appears to say ---- no sysadmin tools can be used or i have to let each USER download virtualbox binaries from sun and install it themselves. 3. now, my problem. I get virtualbox, I get Kubuntu LINUX 8.0.4 ------- my OLD machine no longer accepts UBUNTU LINUX 8.10. So do I install ANY LINUX which virtualbox supports ---- and then hope that virtualbox supports all the LATER versions of LINUX (including 8.10) so that I can get all the upgrades from the world on the LATER Linuxes and stick to my old tested Kubuntu 8.0.4 --------------------- and have LICENSED copies of Window running under virtualbox. I mean how much RAM will I end up using on my machine. Erach open virtualbox is there and for binaries read this chief feature for small organizations where people themselves install virtualbox ---- they have to install it THEMSELVES --- please ask sun for clarifications. What exactly do you mean by personal use and academic use in the Personal Use and Evaluation License? Personal use is when you install the product on one or more PCs yourself and you make use of it (or even your friend, sister and grandmother). It doesn't matter whether you just use it for fun or run your multi-million euro business with it. Also, if you install it on your work PC at some large company, this is still personal use. However, if you are an administrator and want to deploy it to the 500 desktops in your company, this would no longer qualify as personal use. Well, you could ask each of your 500 employees to install VirtualBox but don't you think we deserve some money in this case? We'd even assist you with any issue you might have. Use at academic institutions such as schools, colleges and universities by both teachers and students is covered. So in addition to the personal use which is always permitted, academic institutions may also choose to roll out the software in an automated way to make it available to its students and personnel.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linuxers Digest, Vol 69, Issue 14
by Sanjay More 13 Jan '09

13 Jan '09

Hi Arun, How about sharing your Linux Admin quiz of about 45 questions ? Sanjay

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Knotes like cli version
by jtd 13 Jan '09

13 Jan '09

is there a knotes like equivalent programme for the cli. Knotes has a send feature. This is a feature i need. There are a number of X based apps, but i could not locate one for the cli. -- Rgds JTD

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[OT?] Net Radio Website
by Rony 12 Jan '09

12 Jan '09

Hello, Here is a nice radio station that plays songs 24/7, listed year wise. It runs in Linux without any problems. www.tropicalglen.com -- Regards, Rony. GNU/Linux ! No Viruses No Spyware Only Freedom.

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ceasefire on the mumbai list
by Suhit Kelkar 12 Jan '09

12 Jan '09

One constructive step in these flamewars would be for the involved parties to take a respite. Declare a ceasefire, even if unilateral. Then there will be no retaliation to spark in turn your counter-retaliation. There is no need to take names. If there are universally respected persons on this list, please, step in as mediators.

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Changes in list moderation policy and appointment of new moderator(s)
by Dinesh Shah (દિન ેશ શાહ/द िनेश शाह) 11 Jan '09

11 Jan '09

List, After due diligence, List Administrators and Moderators have decided the following changes in List Moderation policy. All existing and new members will be removed from default moderation and only offending members will be put under moderation after a member violates any list guidelines. The moderator(s) will warn the offenders twice privately followed by a public warning before putting the offending member on moderation. The above policy change is to improve the participation from all members and remove the delays caused due to default moderation policy. All members, existing and new, are requested to go through the list guidelines once more and comply with the guidelines while posting to the list. We are also pleased to announce Mehul Ved as our newest moderator for the list. We also welcome Nicholas Alphonso as our new Wiki Admin. He is a regular contributer to Wikipedia as well. Looking forward to more action on the list! With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog-1: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Blog-2: http://dineshah.blogspot.com/ Douglas William Jerrold - "The only athletic sport I ever mastered was backgammon."

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Newbie here
by Rock Buddy 11 Jan '09

11 Jan '09

Hi all, I am a newbie here. I wonder if this is the right place to raise this query. I wish to know how does RHCE certification really helps. I am RHCE myself. The classes don't really help much beyond the scope of the exam and the hands on experience one can get is when some employer is willing to accept a fresher. In recent times, I noticed the trend asking for minimum 6months of Linux experience. I remember the time when RHCE certified professionals were in short supply but with the word spreading fast there is a glut and that, coupled with recession has taken a toll on how much an RHCE certified guy earns. There are some who earn as Rs 7000 to 8000 PM. Are the times indeed so bad or the companies are just exploiting? Regards

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New groups - Was--> Re: Changes in list moderation policy and appointment of new moderator(s)
by Ravindra Jaju 10 Jan '09

10 Jan '09

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Rony <gnulinuxist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ravindra Jaju wrote: > > > Instead of dividing or partitioning the group, form your own group as > per the requirement. Why break someone else's creation. > I'd like to point out some examples which support my point. A school has many grades, and multiple divisions per grade. As an analogy - not all students use the same classroom. You might suggest that each thread is a 'virtual classroom' of its own - but that's not true IMHO. Since it's all mixed, the extra effort it takes to filter out the interesting from the not-so-interesting (all this is very subjective - we are not saying these are good and bad respectively) - makes people really interested in specific causes lose interest. Moreover, the list is fairly open - not moderated by draconian power-clingers. Many new people keep joining, and not all are well-versed with list etiquettes and/or the levels are wildly varying. IMHO, again, I believe a community can thrive when there are clear paths for people to *grow* systematically along some well-defined paths (rather than people left fending for themselves) - this is suggestive, and of course people are always allowed in an open community to set their own standards and paths, and ask for/earn support. High noise-to-signal ratios can reduce efficiencies and over a period of time make people disinterested. I can certainly vouch for the fact that about 8 years ago, the level on this list was much better than what it has been in the small duration now that I've been a part again. My 2 paise. Thanks, jaju

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linuxers Digest, Vol 69, Issue 7
by Dinesh OBareja 09 Jan '09

09 Jan '09

Who says that non-Indians can spell good ! While bad spelling is bad how can you pass judgment on a whole nation ? So typical of the majority of my dear educated friends who castigate the country and our habits at the drop of the hat. My apologies to the list for sounding so harsh but how does it matter if I make my own acronym .... if it did not make sense you can just ask what it means (be sure it will not hurt your ego to show that you did not know what it meant !) HAND Dinesh PS: HAND = Have A Nice Day ! --- linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: On Wednesday 07 Jan 2009 5:56:53 pm Harsh Busa wrote: > > After due diligence, List Administrators and Moderators have decided the > > following changes in List Moderation policy. > > can u pls review and discuss if the list policy / guidelines need to be > revisited ? s/u/you/ s/pls/please/ when will us Indians learn to spell? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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Promoting a FOSS license --- to propose to major software vendors -- to promote understanding (not war between FOSS and corporate)
by Erach 07 Jan '09

07 Jan '09

Hi, There are five ages of man. Infanthood, childhood, teenager, householder, oldman. Now, when does wisdom come --- when you wish you had been better and renounced everything and regret everything bad you did. But as an infant, child, teenager, householder, and even as an old man ------ you do need to ACQUIRE things to live and die. So why are you renouncing acquisition ---- it is only greed you renounce. So why not come up with the INDIAN SOFTWARE NO GREED LICENSE for both corporates and the indian FOSS movement. For instance : 1. for copyrights: To be freely used, at HOW MUCH PAYMENT (free or nominal or one day's wages or one minute's wages of a person), for any purpose whatsoever ------ provided the purpose is good and ethical and moral. NOT MERELY To be freely used, at no cost, for any purpose whatsoever --------------------------------------- SO FOR SOFTWARE ---- stripping off the legalese --- what points do you want to embed in your FOSS license ------- and why is FOSS seeking war with the commercial movement by seeking to destroy the commercial movement. 1. The software should be open-source. 2. Perhaps x% of the code can be hidden for commercial or security reasons. 3. The entire software should be open. 4. You can use the software for any purpose whatsoever or only those that are ethical, legal, and promote understanding. 5. WAR is not renounced because one day you may need the weapons of war to defend the human race against extra-terrestrials in faster than light travel -------------- or perhaps war is renounced by the users of the software ------ or perhaps the companies that make weapons cannot use this software ------------------------- this is a highly contentious statement ---------------------------- tread with care --------- what about war against computers, war against living beings, war against dogs, war against bacteria. 6. The software should be backwards compatible for 3 months. I mean ---------- the LINUX users mailing list in Mumbai has over 1000 members ------------ and you cannot write your own license. Erach

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