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Re: [ILUG-BOM] 'rm' command
by Amish Mehta 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Get into habit of using, rm -- * to be safe. -- indicated end of command line parameters. Amish. benos(a)hotpop.com wrote: >[edp@edp0 test]$ rm * >removing `bios.txt' >removing all entries of directory `test' >removing the directory itself: `test' >[edp@edp0 test]$ > >its removed the directory itself by taking the option '-rvf'. >except file '-rvf'.

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Re: who are we kidding - GNU/Linux replacing Windows
by linuxers＠nasirshaikh.mailshell.com 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

> > From: jtdsouza(a)softhome.net To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: > Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux India Initiative Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 22:54:26 > -0700 Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > On Friday 03 January 2003 21:34, Nikhil Karkera wrote: > >> **************************************** * LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 >> @ VJTI **************************************** >> >> On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 Nikhil Joshi wrote : >> >>> Come on who are we kidding? Do these ppl really care (and why >>> should they?) if theres Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever and what >>> is the right (read purists) way of The shopowners and home users >>> already use free (read pirated) software. While the step is very >>> welcome it would be really good >> to see the lowest denominator >>> using Linux apart from scientists,sarkari babus,geeks > > > Wrong presumption that initial capital costs is the only cost. As > usage increases, the costs for maintainence and security of data > exceeds the initial capital cost by orders of magnitude (now u know > why M$ is trying to change it's bussiness model). This is true for > any user. The hassle of keeping out worms and preventing random > crashes is what will turn the shop owner and home user to GNU/Linux. > > > rgds jtdsouza(a)softhome.net While encouraging home users to switch to Linux we have to also remember that they may be owning non-compatible hardware like winmodems, printers, scanners, digital cameras and the like which will make things extremely difficult for them to agree to replace a working system for another which results in more expense. Almost all Linux distros out-of-the-box would not work for many and they would not have the skills / patience to learn manual configuring etc to make most of these hardwares work in Linux. Of course we also know that most home users are using pirated softwares which did not cost anything and the only cost incurred by them is for the hardware. So would they throw away their old hardware which is still good enough to work for another 5-10 years. I believe that home users have no other costs except the initial hardware cost and it is not sounding convicing enough that their operating costs or TCO would make enough difference to switch an OS. Floppies / CDs are sufficient to back up all the important data for home users and most would not understand what the fuss is all about even if they are habituated to rebooting their systems 3 times in a day. Keep in mind that most such home users do not keep their systems on for any longer than they actually use it. So uptime and stability remain just irrelevant words. Worms , viruses, firewalls, antivirus software, reboot, BSOD etc are perfectly normal words in home users lexicons but Apt-get, root, privileges, sources, /dev/hda, mount etc are not. So even though we are looking at a superior OS and other applications, it still needs a little more finishing touches to get the whole package ready for everyone's use. Let's help by evangelizing a little more and get atleast one acquaintance interested enough to switch to a dual boot first (hardware permitting). A little emphasis on taking the high moral ground and refusing to use pirated softwares when legal alternatives exist, would be a nice approach with someone who has a sense of wrong and right. Even a switch to OSS alternatives on Windows (OpenOffice.org and Mozilla) as a first step would be a nice way to show off the capabilities of the alternative system. Nasir

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Linux Hard Disk Duplication
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Hi Is there any way to duplicate a Linux OS with file systems to another hard disk? I mean Norton Ghost type utility is needed to transfer 17 GB SCSI hard disk image to 32 GB SCSI hard disk in order to come out disk space problem and old disk replacement.

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[OT]-PHP Freelance Developer wanted - urgent
by Kapil Karekar 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hi Luggers !! Happy new year to you all :-)) I need a good PHP developer who will work on a freelance basis. This is a very urgent requirement. The pay will be good :-) The programmer should have experience working on e-commerce projects. He should know how to use html templates(PHPLib) and payment systems like payflow, authorize.net,etc. Interested guys send me your details viz. projects worked on, skill sets, contact details. This is urgent !! I am looking for long-term relationship. Cheers Kapil Karekar Libre Technologies kapil(a)libretech.com kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net 091-022-28677305 ---------------------------------------- Let us build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

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starting X probs in debian
by Gurpreet Singh 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

hi friends i recenlty installed debian woody 3.0 but the X wotn start the error i get is "no screens found" or something like that. plz help debianers. i used xf86config program to edit the configuration file. regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[OT] PHP Freelance Developers - Urgent.
by Kapil Karekar 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hello Luggers !! I need freelance PHP developers to work with me on a project-to-project basis. The pay will be good :-) The programmer should have some experience on building database driven e-commerce sites using PHP/MySQL/PostgreSQL. The programmer should have good knowledge of using libraries like PHPLib, GD library, etc. Please respond with your proper skillsets, contact information and the list of projects that you have done. I will also compile the information sent by all of you and put it on the LUG site so that it can be accessed by anyone who needs freelance PHP programmers. This is urgent. Have a good new year, Kapil Karekar Libre Technologies ---------------------------------------- Let us build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sendmail problem
by Amish Mehta 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

You can use user relay(LUSER_RELAY) feature of sendmail. See sendmail documentation. You might have to recreate cf file. Amish. Bilal Ahmed Mazhar wrote: > I want a message to any user not exists in /etc/passwd should be > considered external message and to be sent to goldenswan.com mail > server. Help me to solve this problem.

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IMAP Service and access to external network problem
by benos＠hotpop.com 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Dear friends Our Red Hat 8 server is not accepting IMAP connection telnet to port 143 says : "* BYE Service not available edp0.iacc.org IMAP4rev1 2001.315rh at Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:13:27 +0530 (IST)" I tried by flushing all the iptables rules also. And our local machines on the LAN are not able to connect to the FTP server outside the network, But it can browse the internet using squid proxy. please help me how to solve these problem. I googled a lot, didn't help it. Regards Benoy George

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Sendmail problem
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Hi All I have a registered domain goldenswan.com and using usernames(a)goldenswan.com email addresses. goldenswan's mail server is kept somewhere in USA. My LAN mail server(i.e sendmail) setup permits me to send messages to any address where from address shows username(a)goldenswan.com because I set masquerade as goldenswan.com. It permits me to send messages anyone where messages to usernames(a)goldenswan.com is delivered locally if user exists in /etc/passwd file. It works fine but for any user not existing in /etc/passwd is rejected. I want a message to any user not exists in /etc/passwd should be considered external message and to be sent to goldenswan.com mail server. Help me to solve this problem.

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Re: Plan for 2003
by dileep.kumar＠seepz.tcs.co.in 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Hi All, As Trevor and Karunakar pointed out , there is an urgent need to spread awareness about GNU/Linux in our schools and colleges by conducting training and workshops on a regular basis. I have contact with an NGO called 'each one teach one' which is working with many BMC schools. We get their help for visiting these schools. Conducting workshops at software companies at Mumbai will be a good start to attract s/w engineers working in other technology areas. Dr Nagarjuna had agreed to conduct a speech about 'Free software Movement ' at TCS office at Borivali on Jan 10th. Warm Regards, Dileep Kumar Tata Consultancy Services Borivali, Mumbai ph. 56986980 extn 1504

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Sendmail and blocking spam
by Tineeminee 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Hi! I am trying to block e-mail from certain sites entering out network. The following is the configuration which i did. In /etc/mail/access I have added the following entries erocticmailers.com REJECT "Blocked site" mailheaven.com REJECT "Blocked Site" then I did makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access Then i restarted sendmail : service sendmail restart But i continue to get e-mails from this domain.Can somebody explain me how do I tackle this errror or is there anything which I have missed? Thanks in advance Ram-C

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mozilla/5.0
by Amish Munshi 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Hi, What is mozilla/5.0 compactible in most of the browses? I dont think there is any version of mozilla > 1.3? Does the 5.0 represent IE? Bye. -- Amish K. Munshi In GNU we Trust.

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comp.os.linux.security FAQ
by Tahir Hashmi 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Hi all! I found a good collection of security FAQ on comp.os.linux.security. Hope you find this useful: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/colsfaq.html -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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[commercial] Programmers required
by Sanjay Mehta 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

We are a Mumbai based e-retailing company. Our website is www.homeindia.com. Our application development happens in the Linux environment. We are looking for experienced programmers, with minimum 2 years background in CGI-Perl, web based application development, and MySQL database. Application work is mostly for the MIS and backend systems (work flow related) work. Candidates interested to apply may send plain text resumes with indication of present salary and expected salary, to sanjay(a)homeindia.com. - Sanjay -- Sanjay Mehta President, Homeindia.com (India's Most Reliable Online Shop) mailto:sanjay@homeindia.com, Web: http://www.homeindia.com Tel: +91-22-24952204 / 24952205, Fax: +91-22-24901836 *** Believing is Seeing!! ***

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux India Initiative
by Nikhil Karkera 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 Nikhil Joshi wrote : >Come on who are we kidding? >Do these ppl really care (and why should they?) if theres Linux >or >GNU/Linux or whatever and what is the right (read purists) way >of >The shopowners and home users already use free (read pirated) >software. >While the step is very welcome it would be really good to see the >lowest >denominator using Linux apart from scientists,sarkari babus,geeks >... Government establishments can't/don't use pirated software. They have to pay through their noses for it. Free s/w would certainly be a much cheaper alternative, given the fact that most free (as in free speech) s/w is also *free* (as in free beer). Also the s/w can be tailored according to needs. Programming skills are cheap in India. If it's a bug you want to fix, you don't even have to spend on that. Hundreds of programmers out there on the Net who are more than willing to do it for free (speech & beer) :) As long as pirated s/w is around, maybe it isn't practical to expect home users, and other laymen to shift to free s/w (atleast not very easily), even if it's a better alternative. But you can't extend the same rules to government establishments. Are there any statistics over how much money drains out of India on proprietary s/w every year? Warm Regards, Nikhil Karkera.

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NEWSLETTER: GNU/LinuxIndia Dec 27, 2002
by Frederick Noronha 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

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Set up in 1971, primarily to promote world understanding between Indian and foreign students through education, Symbiosis has a strength of over 16,000 students from over 32 countries. Says the institution: "We in Symbiosis believe that the 'World is one Family'." The annual fest of SICSR 'Unify', is composed of various cultural, academic events & contests. This year the institution is adding on GNUnify, as their own way "of contributing and encouraging the Free Software movement". See http://www.sicsr.ac.in (to be updated by early Jan 2003) The aim of GNUnify is to unify and encourage efforts of GNU developers across the country, by "awarding the best and motivating the rest". Events will include: 1. Code-Presentations (open for all) 1.1 App Dev (Web Apps, Biz Apps, Edu Capsules) 1.2 Embedded Linux 1.3 Network Programming 1.4 Kernel Development / Device Drivers 2. Paper-Presentations (open only for students) 2.1 General (Socio-economic aspects of using GNU/Linux, Does GNU/Linux make sense for India?, and Will China get ahead of India using Free Software?) 2.2 Free Software B-Plan Contest: The major concern of most developers is that since GNU is free there is little / no money to be earned out it. To disprove this a free s/w or gnu based B-plan contest. People submit their B-plans built around free s/w. 2.3 Technical (how to use Apache, migrating from ASP to PHP, Wirel) 3. Techie-Talks (under planning... if you know of any powerful speakers from across the country, do suggest) 4. Hands-on Workshops [Under Planning] 5. Install-Fest of GNU/Linux [Debian, Redhat, Slackware, Mandrake, ...] 6. Screenings. [RMS's Public Lecture @ IIT-Mumbai & Linux-The Code Movie] Event Dates: 15 & 16 Feb 2003 E-Mail: gnunify(a)symbiosiscomputers.com NEWS FROM KERALA: Arun M <arun at freedevelopers dot net> reports that he had a recent meet with the general secretary of the KSTA, the trade union of teachers in the southern Indian state of Kerala. They're planning a meet on IT education in schools, and want experts to talk about Free Software. Meanwhile, Kerala's IT@School expert committee met and seems agreeable to the view that Free Software must be used for the project. Logistical issues of training, text books, and distribution CDs etc need to be taken up. Help is needed for rewriting the textbooks, in a way that these don't exclusively promote proprietorial software. USERS EXPO 2003: 'Linux India - National Users eXpo 2003' is packing itself as *the* national conference on GNU/Linux in India. It is scheduled between February 7 to 9, at the Marian College Kuttikkanam in Kerala. Want to present a paper? Send in an abstract via email. Organisers are keen to get presentations on kernel programming, compiler design/porting, x-windows, Linux and the computer industry, Linux security, etc. Technical partners for this event are the IPSR group. Contact ipsr at satyam dot net dot in LINUX ON AN EMBEDDED BOARD: Anand Babu <ab at gnu dot org dot in> and Mridul Jain worked extensively on porting a version of Linux kernel to SA1110-based embedded board from scratch. "We do have a complete embedded GNU/Linux system and we use it in our firewalls and system installers. I can give ...the whole system for free," says Babu. Contact him or Mridul Jain mridul.jain(a)californiadigital.com Phone in Bangalore (080) 5565570 ANJUTA 1.0.0., LATEST STABLE RELEASE: Heard of Anjuta? Its the integrated development environment initiatied by Naba Kumar and named after his girlfriend! Biswapesh Chattopadhyay <biswapesh_chatterjee at tcscal dot co dot in> recently announced that Anjuta 1.0.0 "Diwali" has been released. This is the latest stable release of Anjuta, an Integrated Development Environment (IDE) for the GNOME 1.x platform. This release includes numerous enhancements and bugfixes. Website: http://www.anjuta.org/ Project Page: http://sf.net/projects/anjuta/ Downloads: http://sf.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=14222&release_id=120396 About Diwali: http://www.bawarchi.com/festivals/diwali1.html SITEWATCH : http://gpasokan.com/demo-schools/ The Demo@Schools Project: The demo@schools project aims at demoing Free Softwares to schools and make the schools adopt free softwares as a subject of education in their syllabus. They also actively involve ourselves in encouraging children to hack free softwares and learn more. "Schools are increasingly putting efforts to impart software education to their students. We are in an attempt to make schools teach free softwares before they become dependant on non-free softwares," say the Demo@Schools promoters. SITEWATCH : http://www.ilug-cal.org The Kolkata chapter of the Indian Linux Users's group (ILUG-CAL) is a volunteer driven organisation dedicated to the propagation and usage of GNU/Linux in Kolkata, and in West Bengal. It says: "The organistion tries to provide suppport to the Linux community in Kolkata, as well as to increase the usage of GNU/Linux among the general computer users community in the city. It also organises workshops, seminars, etc for the local student community." Highlights: Sayamindu (Bangla Tux) has started a new project on Free Bangla fonts. Check out the site at http://www.nongnu.org/freebangfont/ WINDOWS... IN WEST BENGAL SCHOOLS: The West Bengal government is considering using open-source operating systems (OS) like Linux as an alternative to Microsoft Corp's Windows OS in its school computer literacy programme, and has approached hardware maker International Business Machines (IBM) to provide the system support, reports ZDNetIndia. It says the computer literacy programme will cover 11,000 schools all over the state, and the government has already bought 3000 personal computers (PCs) pre-loaded with Windows OS. http://www.zdnetindia.com/news/national/stories/nsl,70367.html GNU/LINUX IN PUNJABI? Gurupkar Waraich <waraich at linuxmail dot org> says he would like to start a new team for Punjabi localization. See punjabi-linux.sourceforge.net Says he: "Volunteers please get in touch so that we can start working." LG... LINUX GOING TO THE DESKTOP: LG Electronics India recently announced its decision to launch branded GNU/Linux-based PCs in India. In a stagnant market, will LG's attempt to break into the branded PC market succeed? Srikanth R P reports in Express Computer on LG's move to extend Linux to the desktop. R Manikandan says the Linux OS is not only relatively stable and bug-free, but also offers stronger memory management to the end-customer http://www.express-computer.com/20021125/newsan1.shtml ********************************************************************* See http://linux-bangalore.org for slide presentations of speakers at LinuxBangalore/2002 and also photographs of the event. ************** ********************************************************************* STORY FROM INDIA'S NEIGHBOURHOOD: Video Whale Project grew out of the concept of Umer Anwar Sheikh and was developed by Zeeshan Ali Khattak (zak147(AT)yahoo.com) The video-whale project is an implementation of video-wall which exploits the combined power of Gstreamer (www.gstreamer.net) & Xinerama. Says the team: "We plan on using these videowalls in Pakistani universties and schools to let them quickly set up videowalls for use in the classrooms when need be. Anyone interested in the videowalls on a commercial basis is also of course welcome to contact us."http://www.gstreamer.net/apps/vw/ PROPRIETORY SOFTWARE: Amol Hatwar <rollacosta at phreaker dot net> drew our attention to the story at http://rediff.com/money/2002/nov/13gates.htm This is about the Govt. of Karnataka and Microsoft signing an MoU for a portal called Bangalore One. r_dobhal at mailandnews dot com came up with this idea: "Why not mark a "Free Software" Day? Inorder to express your views please visit www.software-freedom.org" SPEECH SYNTHESIS: Rohit Kumar of the Speech Processing Lab, LTRC at IIIT Hyderabad points to a speech synthesis demo at http://196.12.44.11/~speech/index.htm Says he: "I look forward to your responses both about the speech quality and the ease of use and understandability of the web interface. PS: For all [GNU/]/Linux enthusiasts the speech synthesizer is currently built on Red Hat Linux 7.2 and we have tested it with RHL 8.0." 61 LUGs ACROSS INDIA: National network LinuxIndia points to the existence of nearly 61 LUGs across India (see below). If this is true, then=20 we have more LUGs in India than what the international press is reporting as being present in the whole of Asia! Does anyone know of any unlisted LUGs? Or have some on this list gone inactive? http://www.linux-india.org/chapters.html Guntupalli Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink dot org> and Arun Sharma <arun at sharma-home dot net> point out that Pramod R has created some screenshots of Gnome applications in Kannada. http://kannada.sourceforge.net/gnome-screens/screenshots.html Raghavendra <yesgr at vsnl dot com> points out the need to draw the attention of others in the Kannada computing world. Says he: "You can also do a demo on setting up the locale, installing the font, show off the translations, setup gtranslator/poedit, etc." The Kannada mailing list is at http://www.sharma-home.net/mailman/listinfo/kannada Meanwhile the Indic-Computing project is at indic-computing.sf.net Want a set of the latest Debian and Knoppix CDs? Contact ragu(a)vsnl.com Some of Raghavendra Bhat's other involvements are in the FSUG-Kochi http://symonds.net/~fsug-kochi/ *************************************** UPCOMING MEETS Mumbai * LUG Meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI *************************************** Sajith T S <sajith(a)symonds.net> announces a JFS translator for the Hurd, and calls it "the first industrial-strength journaling filesystem for the Hurd". It's a readonly translator, so no journaling for now. See http://www.symonds.net/~sajith/hurd/ More on JFS here: http://oss.software.ibm.com/jfs/ AN OPEN SOURCE BUSINESS MODEL: Dr Tarique Sani <tarique at sanisoft dot com> has published SANIsoft's Open Source Business Model on his site. See http://www.sanisoft.com/openmodel.php Says he: "Feedback from you will be very much appreciated." SOME FEEDBACK TO GNU/LinuxINDIA NEWSLETTER: From: Arun Sharma <arun(a)sharma-home.net> I understand that you can't fit an ASCII art logo mentioning "GNU/Linux India" in 80 columns, and hence had to abbreviate "Linux" part a little bit. But given all the controversy about the term "GNU/Linux", I find the above logo in bad taste -- it almost seems like you're posting about "GNU India", when in fact, the message is about what I'd normally call "Linux". I'm sure you could design a logo that displays "Linux" more prominently.-Arun From amish_munshi(a)sify.com Fri Dec 27 17:07:26 2002 Can you change this artwork, it is not readable. I am very bad at art work, so I can not provide any artwork, sorry. Overall, it is the best newsletter I have ever got, very well made. Keep it up. How regularly will I be getting such rich content? From paivakil(a)vsnl.net Fri Dec 27 17:08:37 2002 Wow!!!! What a beautiful logo!!! -- Mahesh T. Pai. INDIAN-LANGUAGE SOLUTIONS FROM PIONEERS AT IIT-MADRAS: Dr Hema A Murthy <hema at lantana dot tenet dot res dot in>, associate professor at the IIT Madras (Chennai) is one of the two coordinators of the IndLinux effort, along with Timothy A Gonsalves <tag at tenet dot res dot in>. You can also contact indlinux at tenet dot res dot in for information. She recently wrote in to point to some of the shortcomings in an article written recently. Our apologies for an inadequate representation; we have no excuse other than the general difficulties in garnering information across a virtual sub-continent, largely depending on e-mail. Says Dr Murthy: "Currently, the TeNeT group is involved in the wide scale deployment of Internet kiosks across the countryside. The kiosks require local language software so that they can be effectively used by the marginalised literate population of our country." We are grateful for the explanation below to Dr Murthy: Given the number of Indian languages and different encoding standards and fonts they use, it was felt that we need to develop Indian language support that is essentially independent of encoding and font. Further, we felt that this support must be provided at the kernel/X-Window system levels so that applications that run on top of the kernel/X-Window system inherit the interface. To this end we provide two different solutions under linux: kernel based and X-Window based. Kernel based solution: Indian languages have variable width characters. To support variable width at the kernel level, a multiglyph approach is proposed, i.e. a keystroke may correspond to one or more glyphs. Further, the number of keystrokes possible on the standard QWERTY keyboard is not sufficient to represent all characters and character clusters in any given language. This results in the problem that a sequences of keys may correspond to different glyphs (in that a key sequence ab might correspond to a glyph g1, while a key sequence abc might correspond to a different glyph g2). This requires that the system has a memory of the keystrokes that have been made. To address this problem a finite state machine and a set of associated rules was introduced in the kernel. X-Window based solution: Two different solutions are supported at the X-Window level, namely, glyph based and encoding based. In the first approach, similar to that of the kernel, the parsing is done on the input side, while glyphs are produced on the output side (file/display). In this approach, clearly the system is tied to the font that is used. To overcome this problem, an encoding based solution has also been provided. The problem with this approach is in cursor positioning. The position of the cursor is maintained by the application which interacts with X to obtain the widths of characters. The cursor is positioned based on the keys typed (no memory/context sensitivity is assumed). We are yet to address this problem. We do feel that the only solution available to us is to provide a set of cursor APIs in X which can be used by any application. In either solution, the language dependent information is provided in parse rule tables. This information is loaded at runtime. This ensures that changing the local language environment is simply a question of manipulating parse rule tables. Applications: The solutions that we have provided enable a user to type in a local language in most applications (Open Office/ KOffice/gcc...). We have further customised some of the applications (menus/errors in local languages), namely, KOffice, Konqueror, gcc, pine, emacs. We are currently working on customising Open Office. We are also working on a convertor from fonts to encoding, fonts to fonts, encoding to font. Current Support: Tamil (Glyph-based) - TamilNet99, Inscript Hindi (Glyph-based) - Inscript Tamil (Encoding-based) - ISCII Hindi (Encoding-based) - ISCII The above supports are complete. (This simply means that we have populated the appropriate language dependent parse rule files). We are currently working on Malayalam, Oriya, Marathi and Gujarathi. Future Plans: This work is part of a major plan to develop a multimodal interface to the computer. By multimodal, we mean, handwriting, keyboard and speech interfaces. We have started work on both handwriting and speech. We have developed a handwriting interface for Tamil and have developed speech technology software for: speech synthesis in Hindi, Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam (Malayalam database was obtained from ISDL, Trivandrum); spoken language identification, syllable-based recognition of continuous speech, speaker identification. (ENDS) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUR INPUTS to this newsletter are welcome. Volunteers more than welcome. Contact us at fred at bytesforall dot org --COPYLEFT 2002, GPL. May be freely circulated provided entire text is retained. FN --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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X Server installation issue on RedHat 7.2 for ProSavageDDR video controller.
by Ajay Dand 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

Hi, I am trying to install RH 7.2 on a VIA motherboard having ProSavageDDR (Mfg. by S3) video controller. The installation options for X server configuration does not list out and specific X server for the above chipset, hence I am forced to use the Generic Savage server. But when I try to test the server during configuration, it gives a blank screen. The monitor I am using is Samtron 753s, which is again not listed in the default hardware list. I've tried using different color depths & screen resolutions, but still the blank screen. The rest of the installation goes smoothly. I am trying to set up a graphical login. Post installation, when I try to start linux, the X server fails to start. I keep getting the error message, X server failed to start, no screens found. I suspect, it is the video driver issue, and there is a specific driver for the above vid controller available on the net. My issue is, being a newbie, how can I install this driver and/or install the X server. My RH7.2 install comes with XFree86 X server, version 4.1.0. Any help on this issue would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Ajay Dand Director Ninesec Integration (P) Ltd. Mobile: +91 9820154213 E-mail: ajay.dand(a)ninesec.com

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LUG Meet time
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

*************************************** * LUG Meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI *************************************** But what will be the time?

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[bdlug] workshop on Linux
by Adnan Karim 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

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Re: Happy New 2003......we need a bloody concrete plan
by Trevor Warren 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

Hello luggers, good-morning. Greetings of the season and a prosperous new year to you all. What we need is another event...and another event...and another event........ another event...and another event...and another event........ another event...and another event...and another event........ another event...and another event...and another event........ another event...and another event...and another event........ Which means as i have outlined in my previous mail we have to all work together as a community towards planning out this Year well in advance. Lets prevent crying out hoarse that nothing gets organised at the ilug-bom but make sure that this year we have ourselves working towards a definite plan in mind towards furthering the cause of the FSF/OS movement. I am also looking at sustained participation from Industry/Academia this year in all our events. Lets work to have the same delivered on. Bye for now and have a great day. Trevor On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 12:08, Prakash Advani wrote: > Wish you all a very happy new year. Lets work towards another event, > anyone willing to take it up? > > Regards > Prakash > > Trevor Warren wrote: > > > > Hello luggers, > > good-afternoon. > > > > Greetings of the season, tidings of joy and a happy new year to you > > all. > > > > We indeed are looking forward to a whole lot of adventurous-fun and > > gnu-linux filled trips. That apart we also have to get more proactive in > > our approach towards getting FSF/OS accepted in society. > > > > Your wishes and support in having the same accomplished is highly > > appreciated. > > > > Bye for now and have a great day. > > > > Trevor > > > > On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 12:34, Guntupalli Karunakar wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Wish you all a very Happy and prosperous New Year, lets make 2003 > > > year which takes Linux to new heights & more Linux lunacy trips :) > > > Pl also see attached new year message in Hindi. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Karunakar > > > > > > -- > > > Hating people is like burning down your house to get rid of a rat - > > > Anon > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > * Indian Linux project, www.indlinux.org * > > > * Indic-Computing project, indic-computing.sf.net * > > > ---------------------------------------------------

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killing dead processes
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

hi Our server seems to have run into a problem ... there's a dead process with an RSS of 2GB, and it refuses to die no matter what! The swap is down to zero, the machine is thrashing, but we can't afford to restart! What do I do? Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Make your educational laws strict and your criminal ones can be gentle; but if you leave youth its liberty you will have to dig dungeons for ages. -- Michel Eyquem De Montaigne 1533-1592, French Philosopher

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Halloween VIII
by Amol Hatwar 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

The eight halloween documents are just out. Have a look at them here: http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween8.php Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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Red Hat, India - Change of Address
by sales-in＠redhat.com 03 Jan '03

03 Jan '03

Dear Sir/Madam, Wish you a very happy and prosperous new year!! We at Red Hat India Pvt. Ltd have shifted our office. Please note our contact details as below: Red Hat India Pvt. Ltd. 135, B-Wing, Mittal Towers, Nariman Point, Mumbai - 400 021 Tel: +91-22-22881326 / 22881327 / 22853452 Fax: +91-22-22881318 Please use the above mentioned address for any further correspondence. -- Warm Regards, Red Hat India ************************************************************************ This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ************************************************************************

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Red Hat, India - Change of Address
by sales-in＠redhat.com 03 Jan '03

03 Jan '03

Dear Sir/Madam, Wish you a very happy and prosperous new year!! We at Red Hat India Pvt. Ltd have shifted our office. Please note our contact details as below: Red Hat India Pvt. Ltd. 135, B-Wing, Mittal Towers, Nariman Point, Mumbai - 400 021 Tel: +91-22-22881326 / 22881327 / 22853452 Fax: +91-22-22881318 Please use the above mentioned address for any further correspondence. -- Warm Regards, Red Hat India ************************************************************************ This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ************************************************************************

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more module loading problems at startup
by R.W.A.Tollenaar 03 Jan '03

03 Jan '03

Hello all, I have a problem. I have updated (recompiled and installed) kernel to 2.4.20. It runs perfectly but for one thing: the modules I have compiled to load cannot be found, not during booting and also not by YAST. Fortunately there seems to be only one which I am trying to load and which can no longer be loaded and that is the sound driver. On attempting to use YAST to reinstall it, YAST cannot find the appropriate driver. I have done the following make oldconfig (with xconfig) make dep make clean make bzImage make modules make module_install cp bzImage /boot/vmlinuz cp System.map /boot dirctory (Actually Suse distribution uses System.map-2.4.19-4GB so tried System.map, System.map-2.4.20 and even copying System.map of the new kernel to System.map-2.4.19-GB). nothing helps. Then I even did mkinitrd which did help on the loading of the reiserfs but that problem I had already solved earlier by compiling the reiserfs into the kernel. I need this new kernel, please help:( Greetings, Roland Tollenaar.

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How to check whether ppp0 is active
by Vinod 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

Hi friends, When I connect to net through a modem, I can check whether ppp0 is active or not using ifconfig command so that it will list the status of ppp0. My problem is I had set a command in crontab as follows. lynx -dump www.lcnet.com/update.php (A module to update the web mysql database) Above script has to work and update only if ppp0 is active. How can I check whether ppp0 is active (A script has to check and then if the status is true, update.php module has to execute). Please suggest me how to go about. I had put six to seven commands in a batch file and the batch file name is given in crontab. I am using wvdialer to connect to net and it redials if connection disconnect. and if I specify the dialing command "wvdial redial" in the batchfile, then the subsequent command in the batch file are not executing. Regards, Vinod.

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[OT] Happy birthday Internet
by Amol Hatwar 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

On 1 January 1983 the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPAnet) of the US Department of Defence (DoD) - the forerunner of the Internet - was switched to the TCP/IP protocol. Yesterday, the Internet officially celebrated its 20th birthday. Read more at: http://hatwar.org/blogs/technologue/ Regards, -ah

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Help sought for ACCESS like software in Linux
by Girish Hanchate 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

Hi, There is one adidas database in staroffice 6.0 & staroffice 5.2 which works like access database. U can try with that but i am also not sure whether it converts access files. rgds girish wanted help/info about how to run (access like software) under linux using star office. currently the aplication runs under win98/MS Access . I wold like to migrate to linux. pls help. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: Gogte College, Belgaum
by rohan kangralkar 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

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[ILUG-BOM]Linux swap not working.
by The Linuxer 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

Hello, I use a P4 based machine running SuSE Linux 8.0. I have a 20 GB Hard Disk & 256 MB RDRAM. At the time of installation, I reserved around 500 MB space for the /swap directory. As intended, it should share memory with the Linux Swap space. The problem is that, when I issue the top command, it shows that used swap space is zero & my Physical Memory is 70% used. I think it's pretty high since I don't use any software which is heavy on system requirments. I tried the swapon command but in vain. Even eding the /etc/fstab file didn't help. Is there any way to force swapping of memory ?? Please enlighten .... Thanx in advance ... Bhaskar Ghose [The Linuxer] ================== Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. ~thelinuxer(a)hotmail.com~ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=74… http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamp…

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Thin Client
by Kamlesh Shah 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

All there... Wishing you a happy new year!!! Porting of FPW apps to Linux There is an application which is running on Window and is created using foxpro for win 2.6. It also linked to and/or calling OLE applications. It also uses DDE to share data with other DDE compatible applications like Excel. Now I want to install this application on Linux server and to use thin client. Need Guidance and suggestions. Also looking for small box type diskless workstation. Regards Kamlesh Shah

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Connecting muliple Terminals via serial lines to a server
by The Linuxer 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

Hello, I want to setup a Central Server in my School [suppose] & connect Terminals via serial lines so that every user can log into & use only one copy of the OS installed in the Central Server but I don't realy know how to implement it. Is there any online Documentation or HOW-TO Available ?? My second qwery is ... suppose there are multiple PCs conected through Ethernet on anything. If I want to see the display of the other PC, what is the way out ? I once saw Sameer do it in a workshop ... but I couldn't follow it. Thanx in advance ... BHASKAR GHOSE ===================================================================== Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. ~thelinuxer(a)hotmail.com~ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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(no subject)
by satyajit balkrishna saste 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

Hi folks, need some help on making CGI scripts work thru me Netscape Browser. I have RedHat 7.2 installed Regds -Satyajit

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Gogte college engineering Belgaum - contact required - only alumini/concerend pls respond
by kumar＠gurukulonline.co.in 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

Hi, I need the contact nos of the above college - Gogte college engineering Belgaum- if any of you can help. warm rgds Kumar Varandani mumbai

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Help sought for ACCESS like software in Linux
by jayaram shastri 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

wanted help/info about how to run (access like software) under linux using star office. currently the aplication runs under win98/MS Access . I wold like to migrate to linux. pls help. j d shastri __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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(no subject)
by AMIT 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

hi, i want to know what is hdd1 ,2,3 ...etc? is it partiti0on of hard disk in linux? bye amit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.com Now bid just 7 Days in Advance and get Huge Discounts on Indian Airlines Flights. So log on to http://indianairlines.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

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(OT) Networking Poem
by Harsh R Busa 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

I wish to Network my heart with you. ____________________________________ I wish to network my heart with you. I wish to share my files with you. Let's dial in and share a word. Handshake, login and check mail first. Slowly, I shall ftp in your mind. Copy virtually myself in your files. Create a new account, And retire all. Networked our hearts will share the joy. While multitasking daemon work like ward boy. Our eyes will gaze thru satellite means. Insat 2B to transmit will be keen. AOL, CompuServe go to hell. I have a sweetheart to network myself. I wish to network my heart with you. To share a few more moments with you. Love Harsh R Busa _________________________________ BackendGuru Technologies http://www.BackendGuru.com Tel : 098206-93048 / 91-22-28985205

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[ILUG-BOM]Missing special device file /dev/fd0
by The Linuxer 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

Hello, Earlier, I mounted 3.5" floppies by just giving the command # mount /dev/fd0 /floppy Now suddenly, I don't know what happened, the bash shell says the device file is missing. As an alternative, what I did is that I changed the entry in /etc/fstab & named the floppy device file to /dev/fd0H1440. Now I mount floppies by using the command # mount /dev/fd0H1440 /floppy Although it works perfectly okay, I am still intrigued by what happened. Is there any way of "recreating" the special device file /dev/fd0 ? Please enlighten .... Thanx in advance. Bhaskar Ghose [The Linuxer] ================= Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or GNU/Linux) is the answer. ~thelinuxer(a)hotmail.com~ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&… http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_…

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inode
by slash_axl_rose_upen 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Hello All Well I am sad to write this from a win98 machine bcaz of stupid command -> "dd if=111.bin of=/dev/hda2 bs=1440 count=1" from root on RH 7.1 Actually /dev/hda2 was where / got mounted everytime..but now this command has caused inode table to get corrupted on /dev/hda2 (may be bcaz i replaced usual bs=512 to bs=1440 and so its written to unwanted space cauing damage to i-node tables).. now i can't go beyond kernel panic screen on RH 7.1 So Can i get back my data in /dev/hda2 ???How? Pls mail me personally and forward this to known Sys Admins (this time not going to crosspost..:) ) bye thnx __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] To small case
by Hrushikesh Tilak 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Use a C program. use the funtion tolower(). >From: Amish Munshi <amish_munshi(a)sify.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] To small case >Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:54:45 +0530 > >**************************************** >* LUG meet on 12 Jan. 2003 @ VJTI >**************************************** > >Greetings, > > How do I convert the file names to lower case. I have a directory and the >files in it which are in upper case, how do i convert all of them to lower >case. Ofcourse except "mv UPPERCASE lowercase" since there are lots of >files >to convert and I do not want to keep typing the lowercase file name for >each >one of them. > Thanks in advance. > >Bye. > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&… http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_…

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oracle 9i on linux
by kishor bhagwat 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Hi folks! I need help on how to install Oracle 9i on linux.The database is to be tuned for OLTP environment.So can someone give me pointers on partitions, whether to use RAID 10 for OS and RAID 5 for the database...block size, SGA size etc. regds, Kishor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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GNUnify...
by Aswin Bhupalam 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Hello e-body, If any of u get to know abt the GNUnify events and details of symbiosys college, pune, Please mail back. Thanks, #win

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Where is the firewall?
by Nikhil Joshi 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Hi! installed privoxy ( junkbuster clone ) ad filter. However it cannot bind to the default 8118 port. It complains that the port may be in use and exits. When i run #nmap localhost there is no 8118 port open I guess the problem is with the firewall settings. Where are these settings located? Is it the problem of firewall or something else ? Please enlighten Nikhil

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Flash on Mozilla
by Amish Munshi 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Hi, I have installed "Full (all packages)" Mandrake 9.0, I want to install flash player for any of the browsers - Mozilla, konquorer or galeon. I have given Mozilla a try with flash as follows. I did download and extract the files, and also copied into $HOME/.netscape/plugins and also added application/x-shockware-flash in the preferences->Navigator->Helper Application used swf (not .swf) as the extension. But mozilla doesnt even ask me if it can download the plugin for flash. Bye.

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To small case
by Amish Munshi 29 Dec '02

29 Dec '02

Greetings, How do I convert the file names to lower case. I have a directory and the files in it which are in upper case, how do i convert all of them to lower case. Ofcourse except "mv UPPERCASE lowercase" since there are lots of files to convert and I do not want to keep typing the lowercase file name for each one of them. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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help reqd urgently
by Pradnyesh Sawant 28 Dec '02

28 Dec '02

Hello, i have red hat linux 7.3 running at my place. i got gcc 2.96 installed by default on my system. while installing an application, it told me to upgrade gcc. so i installed gcc 3.2. it works fine. while installing my internal modem, it told me "gcc not found" so i did "locate gcc" in the process i found a lot many "*gcc2.96.*.so" files in the /usr/lib dir. i removed all of them then i did "cleanlinks" after that my x server is not starting. i tried installing gcc 3.2 again, but it did not help. plz help urgently, as i am not able 2 do my usual stuff, & have 2 use the crappy windoze instead. ne help wud b greately appreciated. -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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Re: Banner Filter
by Sandeep S. 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Hey Nikhil, If you choose 2 use Mozilla, you cud try this out: http://adblock.mozdev.org/ You cud also optionally choose to write a small CSS file to do it yourself. The following link will get yah started: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2000/06/30/magazine/mozilla_stylesh… To learn more bout "Creating Applications with Mozilla" you can read the O'Reilly Open Book with the same name, available online under the terms of the Open Publication License @ http://books.mozdev.org/chapters/index.html San

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Squid & MTNL
by Nikhil Joshi 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Hi! I have both MTNL and VSNL nameservers in resolv.conf However when I connect using MTNL squid gives error that the nameserver refuses to perform specified action However if I disable proxy I can access the net. Also if I connect using VSNL I do not get this error using squid. Is this the problem of MTNL nameserver or squid? Nikhil

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Sybiosis Center of IT??
by Gurpreet Singh 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

hello luggers. i wud need some info abt Symbiosis Center of Information Technology, Pune. i am giving the enterance and just need to know how the faculty, infrastructure, and the placement is. i think a while ago i had read a mail by someone from that institute on the mailing list, if this reaches him, please reply back friend! thanx ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Banner Filter
by Nikhil Joshi 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Hi! Anyone using banner/ads filtering software for Linux ? Nikhil

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[Fwd: Re: [ilugc] Indian Language support under GNU\Linux / X]
by Sachin Rase 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

-- Regards ----------- Sachin Rase MediaIBC 26178979 ----------

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GNUnify - The All India Free Software Festival
by N.a.v.i.n ....D.h.a.n.u.k.a 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Hello Luggers, We the students of 'Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies and Research' (S.I.C.S.R.) want to contribute to the GNU project. With this aim in mind, we are organizing "GNUnify", with the whole hearted support of the management of our institute. Symbiosis Society needs no introduction, but since on the list there are also people from the international free software community, I would give a small introduction about Symbiosis & our institute. # About Symbiosis Established in 1971, primarily to promote world understanding between Indian and foreign students through education, Symbiosis International Cultural and Educational center runs seventeen academic institutions in various disciplines such as Management, Law, Computer, Journalism, Telecommunications, Arts, commerce and even Kindergarten, Primary and Secondary education. The student strength of Symbiosis is over 16,000 and students from over 32 different countries and from all states of India are presently pursuing education in different Symbiosis institutions. We in Symbiosis believe that "World is one Family". # About Our Institute. Since its inception in 1985, S.I.C.S.R is striving to give quality education to students through its several full-time & part-time affiliated and autonomous courses. From this year SICSR is a constituent of Symbiosis International Education Center (S.I.E.C), Deemed University. # About � GNUnify � The annual fest of SICSR � �Unify�, is composed of various cultural, academic events & contests. This year we are adding a new feather to our cap-GNUnify, our own way of contributing & encouraging the free software movement. HomePage: http://www.sicsr.ac.in [Note: Website will be up by 1st week of Jan 2003] E-Mail: gnunify(a)symbiosiscomputers.com # The Objective of GNUnify . To unify & encourage the efforts of GNU Developers across the country by awarding the best & motivating the rest. # Events under GNUnify 2003 are: 1. Code-Presentations (open for all) 1.1 App Dev (Web Apps, Biz Apps, Edu Capsules) 1.2 Embedded Linux 1.3 Network Programming 1.4 Kernel Development / Device Drivers 2. Paper-Presentations (open only for students) 2.1 General for e.g. .... Socio Economic Aspect of using GNU/Linux .... Does GNU/Linux make sense for India? .... Will China go ahead of India, if they turn to free-software? 2.2 Free Software B-Plan Contest The major concern of most developers is that since GNU is free there is little / no money to be earned out it. To disprove this a free s/w or gnu based B-plan contest. People submit their B-plans built around free s/w. 2.3 Technical for e.g. .... How to use Apache .... Migrating from ASP to PHP .... Wirel 3. Techie-Talks [Under Planning - We are inviing speakers from accross the country.] 4. Hands-on Workshops [Under Planning] 5. Install-Fest of GNU/Linux [Distributions: Debian, Redhat, Slackware, Mandrake, ...] 6. Movie Screenings. [RMS Public Lecture @ IIT-Mumbai & Linux-The Code Movie] Event Dates: 15 & 16 Feb 2003 Tentative Program for Day 1 !!! 15 Feb 2003 - Saturday 1. Hands-on-Workshops 2. Install Fest 3. Techie Talks 4. Movie Screenings Venue: SICSR (Atur Center) Tentative Program for Day 2 !!! 16 Feb 2003 - Sunday 1. Selected Paper Presentations 2. Selected Code-Project Presentations 3. Public Lecture by RMS (We await his confirmation.) 4. Prize Distribution Venue: Vishwa Bhawan Thanking You, Navin Dhanuka Student, Msc (CA) SYMBIOSIS INSTITUTE OF COMPUTER STUDIES & RESEARCH. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: basic help
by Parul Mathur 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:30:59 +0530 > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] basic help > From: Abhijeet More <abhijeetmore(a)rolta.net> > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 09:05:03PM +0530, rajeev rajpopat wrote: > > > > I am now looking for a book for the beginers - preferably in e form. > > Can someone suggest a site from where I can download the same. No less that 17 free online books on Linux for beginners are available at http://www.tcfb.com/freetechbooks/booklinux.html Books on Linux System Administration and Linux Application Development are also available at the same site. Parul

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Re: Making the baby HP Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux?
by Parul Mathur 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:11:59 +0530 > From: "Baji J. Ram Rao" <ramrao(a)bajirao.com> > Organization: Bajirao Technologies Private Limited > To: linux-india-programmers(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Cc: Krishan <kris8ul(a)yahoo.com>, linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Making the baby HP Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux? > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Experienced friends told us that Red Hat 7.3 and Red Hat 8.0 weren't > stable enough, so best avoided. We're currently committed to RedHat 7.2. Redhat 7.3 and 8.0 are not unstable in any way. In the bioinformatics division at TCS we are using all three versions and a significant speed-up has been reported for version 8.0 in CPU-intensive and memory-intensive applications that process huge amounts of protein and gene data. I know that there have been many negative reports of Redhat 8.0 but we use it day in and day out and not a single complaint. Try it yourself and don't let others prevent you from benefitting from the significant upgrades present in the new versions. After all, Redhat 7.2 is now roughly a year old. And do remember that the latest drivers come bundled with the latest releases. Parul

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Making the baby HP Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux?
by Baji J. Ram Rao 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Our Linux-based hospital software needs to support some budget HP deskjet printers. Experienced friends told us that Red Hat 7.3 and Red Hat 8.0 weren't stable enough, so best avoided. We're currently committed to RedHat 7.2. We had successfully used the HP Deskjet 880C and Deskjet 845C color inkjet printers, but today there are lower-priced printers. Right now,� we're trying to work with the latest budget entry-level printer, the HP Deskjet 3325 which sells for Rs. 3,899/- in Mumbai. It handles 1200x600 dpi color and prints a page in approx. 12 sec. The trouble is that while older deskjets could handle PCL, the new Deskjet 3325 can only handle LIDIL (Lightweight Imaging Device Interface Language). What about Linux drivers? Linux support comes in the form of the "hpijs" driver starting version 1.3. The driver supports resolutions only up to 600 dpi. The bigger deskjets: 3820, 5550, 6122, 995C and big daddy 1220C all support HP PCL 3 and thrive on the drivers that come with the RH7.2 distro. Anyone have experience in making the baby Deskjets: 3320, 3325 or 3420 work with Linux? Ram Rao <ramrao(a)bajirao.com> Bajirao Technologies Pvt. Ltd., Chembur, Mumbai 400071

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squid proxy server problem
by tejinder saroha 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

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basic help
by rajeev rajpopat 27 Dec '02

27 Dec '02

Hi I have set up PCQuest Linux on my machine. The installation was smooth except for a hitch in seting up the modem. After some efforts I managed to get the modem to work. I am now looking for a book for the beginers - preferably in e form. Can someone suggest a site from where I can download the same. Thanks in advance Rajeev

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Motorola SM56 modem not detected and depmod error
by sameer shinde 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #750 - 14 msgs
by Rajiv S Banerji 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

........snip............. From: Jayesh Samant <samantjayesh(a)softhome.net> I am stuck with an Motorola SM56 internal modem, which works as a charm in windows. However my Redhat 8.0 system does not seem to detect it. Any clues... -- snip Will only work with RH 7.1 [kernel 2.4.2-2] . Discontinued from then onwards. Install 7.1 or Mandrake. Brgds Rajiv

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Linux India Initiative
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Ministry of Information Technology organized a meeting, called `Linux India Initiative' where more than 40 people from various depts of govt IITs, NCST, BARC, CDAC, NIC, main companies like IBM, redhat, netcore, exocore etc., and also from the state govts (secreatary level representatives.) It was rather surprising that there is so much of awareness in the Govt circles. This meeting tookplace in Delhi in the Electronics Niketan close to the Nehru Stadium on Lodhi Road. Mr. S. Ramakrishnan (popularly known as Ramki) made the only presentation in the meeting. His presentation displayed that he did his home work very well, and the presentation was comprehensive. He listed various advantages of using OSS. He made it clear in the beginning itself that Linux actually stands for GNU/Linux, and so it should be understood as inclusive of GNU and not exclusive. Later Mr. Shaw (secretary MIT) chaired the meeting that went on from 3pm to 6.15pm. He took notes of almost all the speakers points and appeared serious. Prof. Sivakumar from IIT Mumbai, Barua of IIT Gauhati, were the prominent members from the Academia. Issues such as support, GUI, security, localization, took the attention of most speakers. Also since the Chairman explicilty asked every one to respond to GUI and security concerns. Keyur Shroff from NCST made a brief presentation on localization work being done at NCST, and Atul Chitnis of Exocore also made very good points. Two volumes containing several documents downloaded from the internet are circulated to the participatns. This also included some pages from our own website. I represented the users community and FSF India. The points mentioned by me were as follows: General Comments: Why cost should not be the sole reason for promoting the use of Free (Swatantra) Software? Most people argue in favor of Free Software because of the cost factor. This should not be the sole reason for promoting free software. Achieving self-reliance is often very pain-staking and difficult path. India's success stories in Space and Atomic energy are good illustrations in this regard. We don't and we should not do `cost of ownership' analysis on our path towards self-reliance. We should run for the values enshrined in our constitution, such as `self-reliance', even if they are expensive. Incidentally, though, free software is several times economical than Proprietary software. Why the expression `Linux India Initiative' is not appropriate? The term `Linux' refers to only one of the free kernels available, though the most popular. `BSD' does not use the Linux kernel, but is also a free OS. Another free kernel called HURD is also being developed by the GNU community. Since most applications that run on GNU/Linux also run on several OSs, including MS Windows, it is not appropriate to use only `Linux.' We should promote the use of free software even on propreitary OS. Most users who are already using MS windows can also use most of free software, though it is desirable to use a free OS in the long run. My suggestion is to use `Swatantra Software Initiative'. One of the main reasons why we should go for using Free Software is not merely because of the economic implications, but its use gives the users freedom, and self-reliance. The English expression ``Free Software Initiative'' also is not appropriate because, the term `free' is ambiguous, for in most widely used contexts it refers to `free of cost/charge'. Since India is committed to self-reliance it will be appropriate to use `Swatantra'. There are a few blocks in the road of taking Swatantra software to various corners of ICT use, such as the following: Using documents encoded in proprietary format, preventing free usage of data across different OS. This also encourages monopoly and facilitates lock-in. Most IT training institutions provide training mostly emphasizing or exclusively on proprietary applications. The syllabus in several colleges and Universities knowingly or unknowingly mentions not the neutral descriptions of what the student is supposed to learn, but names of proprietary applications. E.g., Excell in place of spreadsheets, or Ms-Word in place of word processor, Oracle in place of SQL, etc. At least in all Govt controlled institutions a policy should be made against this practice. A policy decision/discussion should happen regarding the software that is being developed within the Govt organizations, and its possible release under GPL or similar protected forms of free software license. The Annexure-I already contains several broad issues for discussion. Having supported the spread of Free software in the country for several years, and keeping in mind my expertise and the mandate of the institution (Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai) where I am working, I wish to contribute in whatever form on the following: Setting up of Resource Centres SIG in Education sector (including schools) Introduction in curricula of engineering colleges, universities and colleges. I do hope that some thing meaningful will come out of this Initiative. Mr. Ramki also mentioned in the notes that are curculated that setting up of foundations like FSF India. Nagarjuna

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Qmail relaying
by Amish Munshi 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hi all, I want to check if my qmail installation is relaying mails for other hosts. I do a simple check like telnet localhost 25 MAIL FROM:someone@nonlocal.com RCPT TO:someother@nonlocal.com {output is relaying allowed this is ok since it is a local telnet and I have 127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" in /etc/tcp.smtp} Next I do a telnet 10.10.12.21 25 (my private IP) MAIL FROM:someone@nonlocal.com RCPT TO:someother@nonlocal.com {output is 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)} So can I conclude that the external mails are not being relayed? But now the problem starts. qmailctl stat gives : /service/qmail-pop3d: up (pid 22067) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-pop3d/log: up (pid 22066) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-send: up (pid 22062) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-send/log: up (pid 22063) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-smtpd: up (pid 22064) 9174 seconds /service/qmail-smtpd/log: up (pid 22065) 9174 seconds messages in queue: 32 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 0 And the messages are for external hosts, 20 Dec 2002 03:09:33 GMT #58808 4955 <> remote bounce.1194.39868523(a)bounce.bnb4.com 19 Dec 2002 17:21:14 GMT #58786 3714 <> remote adp501(a)friendly984send.com 20 Dec 2002 03:13:21 GMT #58809 5443 <> remote pro(a)speedsoffrslistings873009118273.com 19 Dec 2002 11:04:45 GMT #58787 23375 <> remote gbw135(a)isp3845mailer45.com 20 Dec 2002 04:11:52 GMT #58810 3563 <> remote adp124(a)friend284mail.com So my server is probably relaying mails, most seem to be bouncing mails. My /var/log/qmail/current is having entries like @400000003e02aa63234a85e4 delivery 98: deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/ @400000003e02aa63234aa13c status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Thanks in advance. Bye.

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[COMMERCIAL] Require PHP / Perl Developers
by Unitek Careers 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hi Luggers, Pls send your recent CVs asap... :-) ----- Designation : PHP / Perl Developer # of Openings : 2 Company Profile : Founded in 1992 as a high-technology network and systems integrator, Unitek Information Systems is dedicated to innovative IT/IS integration and support solutions utilizing various technologies. Unitek provides IT consulting, contracting and training to clients that represent a wide gamut of firms in terms of size and industry background. Unitek specializes in enterprise computing solutions, business education for individuals / corporations and contract placement of IT Professionals. Being a leader in the IT training segment, Unitek has successfully trained thousands of IT professionals in the San Francisco Bay Area with courses such as Microsoft's Windows NT, Solaris, Linux, CISCO and desktop application courses. Each Unitek location is a Microsoft Certified Technical Education Center, Caldera Authorized Linux Center, Citrix Authorized learning Center and Prometric Sylvan Test Center. Job Profile : The successful candidate requires to work for in-house projects as well as client projects and applications. The work requires close co-ordination with the US team and requires to work in day and night shifts. The work environment requires lateral thinking, desire to take initiative and ability to work under pressure and within dead-lines. Candidate Profile : The candidates should be proficient in Object Oriented programming in PHP and PERL on LINUX platform and should be well versed with RDBMS concepts and handling. It is preferable to have candidates with Hands-on experience in MySQL and PostgreSQL. Min. Experience : 2 - 4 Years Education : B.E/B.Tech, B.Sc, MCA/PGDCA, PGDST ( NCST ) Key Skills : PHP, PERL Programming, MySQL, PostgreSQL, LINUX Desired Skills : Shell scripting, Hand coded HTML and Javascript, thorough knowledge HTTP protocol, Data structures, Remuneration : Best in the Industry and will not be constrains for right candidate. Ref : Dev/2003 Email : careers(a)unitek.co.in Contact : Unitek Information Systems Pvt. Ltd. 302, "Abhishek", New Link Road, Andheri (W), Mumbai - 400 053 India. Web site : http://www.unitek.com/ -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Unitek.com Dinesh(a)Unitek.co.in Dinesh(a)Abriasoft.com AOL AIM ID : ShahSyst Yahoo ID : dinesh1966(a)yahoo.com MSN ID : dineshah(a)hotmail.com Mobile : (+91) 98213-11906 Tel : (+91-22) 26747120 / 26730708 / 26730709 Fax : (+91-22) 56926233 Res : (+91-22) 56919423

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A C factorial Problem
by Abhijeet D Mhatre 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

HI friends I was experimenting with a common c factorial problem when I got a totally unexpected result. here is the program # include <stdio.h> main(){ int fact; int x; fact=factorial(6); printf ("%i\n",fff()); } int factorial(int x){ if(x>1) return(x*factorial(x-1)); } int fff () { ; } Naturally I was expecting 1 as the answer. But I am getting the answer 720 which is 6!. If I comment the 5th line fact=factorial(6); I am getting the expected result "1". The normal explanation for this is memory leak. Can anyone please tell me what is happening and are you too getting the same result. I am using redhat linux 7.3 with gcc 2.96 regards Abhijeet D Mhatre

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RMS in Mumbai 12-15th
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

RMS (Richard Stallman) could visit Mumbai between 12-15th if all of us are interested in taking care of a good program. We can take this opportunity to shapeup our PRC attempts and revitalize the group, and have a public lecture as well as special meetings with developers. He will be going to Puna on 16th for the gnunify. Let me know this quickly so that I will tell him that we are ready. Nagarjuna

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Internal Modem
by Jayesh Samant 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, I am stuck with an Motorola SM56 internal modem, which works as a charm in windows. However my Redhat 8.0 system does not seem to detect it. Any clues... -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

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files ending with ~
by Amish Munshi 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hello, For some strange reason only files with ~work well. For example I edit modify.php as "vi modify.php" then save and exit (:wq), then there will be a file modify.php and modify.php~, modify.php is updated file, but when I visit using apache (on a local machine) then it used the other file modify.php~ and not modify.php. I thought this was some temporary problem so I rebooted, but that did not help. Any guesses why this is happening? "cat modify.php" and "cat modify.php~" display proper results. A filename~ file is always created whenever I change any file. Bye.

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Apache
by Amish Munshi 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Hi, Is it possible to log to more than one files. I have many virtual hosts and I would like to log their activity in seperate files. I have already done this and it is working fine. Now I also want the logs to go in a single file along with the individual logs for each host. For example I log activity of virtualhost1.com in /home/virtualhost1.com/logs virtualhost2.com in /home/virtualhost2.com/logs. Now I want the same logs to go to var/log/httpd/virtuallogs as well. So, I can monitor the activity of the server. How can I do this. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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squirrelmail
by slash_axl_rose_upen 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

hi all trying to setup here squirrelmail on RH linux 7.1 can any buddy please elaborate me the detailed steps i have to take in confguring that right from version i have to use please mail on personal id bye thnx in advance and merry xmas __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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(no subject)
by satyajit balkrishna saste 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Wanted some help on Dhcpd.conf configuration.I am setting up a cluster of 3 nodes.However when slave node has to boot from the masters CDROM an error message is given saying 'Unable to mount.Some portmapper error' Echo soon -Satyajit saste

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merry christmas!
by Pradnyesh Sawant 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Hello, a very merry christmas 2 all luggers! is there any way 2 disable the "single" argument that can be passed 2 the kernel at boot time? -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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Great Opportunity : Linux Initiative by Government
by jitendra 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Dear Luggers and ASHAites, Academia and policymakers Three cheers to Nagarjuna for his intervention in Linux Initiative. (see his note below) A few thoughts on the occasion. That the Govt is thinking about gnu/linux is a great sign. It was always the case that many bureacrats , particularly from the era of 'self-reliance' know well that the world wide success of IT developers of India is rooted in the spirit and commitment of self-reliance nurtured in the early deacdes after independence. I am sorry to say that such a spirit is now seen only occasinally. Perhaps the self-reliance may have got entwined with narrow chauvinism rather than the grand democratic principle that (m. k.) gandhi demonstrtated and articulated. In a globalising world chauvinism may be an anachronism. I am afraid baby was thrown along with bathwater. The most important responsibilty on those of us who want to see the survival and growth of freedom is thus to set practical examples of such commitment to the universal principles . The government patronage to self reliance may ebb and flow . What will survive is the power distributed to many. In our context that power is freedom of knowledge and more particularly quality education, access to information and ability to communicate and ability to associate. Several developments in the IT make all this easier. Efforts are needed to make this ACTUAL. Let us create really good alternatives that can reach the masses. e-governance and education touch the masses immediately. I for one would appeal to all the techys to look into the field of education which is rapidly deteriorating and where the computers are being massively disused but it is an area where (public and private) financial resources are not in short supply.Language technologies will play a major role in the spread here. I identify the following steps in this direction. 1. Create the awareness of potential of computers to radically enhance the learning ability of children .(advocay with sound undersatnding of learning process in the age of computer) 2. Make teachers capable of allowing children to learn their subjects (not a new subject called computer) even without they being themselves experts in computers.(teacher training) 3. Localise and translate the software that is already available in english(collaboratively) (refer www.ofset.org, LetUS program of NorthWestern Univ, LOGO etc.) 4. Encourage/support the creation of local software.(overcome current hiccups of writing systems for indian scripts on computers on linux and then make computation in indian languages) It is not possible to convince myself that such an initiative can be effective with any thing other than free software foundation. This can be done only by those who can bring educationists/techys/bureaucrats on a common platform.. Can some of us meet sometime to work out some plans on these lines. jitendra Nagarjuna wrote on 25 Dec: Ministry of Information Technology organized a meeting, called `Linux India Initiative' where more than 40 people from various depts of govt IITs, NCST, BARC, CDAC, NIC, main companies like IBM, redhat, netcore, exocore etc., and also from the state govts (secreatary level representatives.) It was rather surprising that there is so much of awareness in the Govt circles. This meeting tookplace in Delhi in the Electronics Niketan close to the Nehru Stadium on Lodhi Road. Mr. S. Ramakrishnan (popularly known as Ramki) made the only presentation in the meeting. His presentation displayed that he did his home work very well, and the presentation was comprehensive. He listed various advantages of using OSS. He made it clear in the beginning itself that Linux actually stands for GNU/Linux, and so it should be understood as inclusive of GNU and not exclusive. Later Mr. Shaw (secretary MIT) chaired the meeting that went on from 3pm to 6.15pm. He took notes of almost all the speakers points and appeared serious. Prof. Sivakumar from IIT Mumbai, Barua of IIT Gauhati, were the prominent members from the Academia. Issues such as support, GUI, security, localization, took the attention of most speakers. Also since the Chairman explicilty asked every one to respond to GUI and security concerns. Keyur Shroff from NCST made a brief presentation on localization work being done at NCST, and Atul Chitnis of Exocore also made very good points. Two volumes containing several documents downloaded from the internet are circulated to the participatns. This also included some pages from our own website. I represented the users community and FSF India. The points mentioned by me were as follows: General Comments: Why cost should not be the sole reason for promoting the use of Free (Swatantra) Software? Most people argue in favor of Free Software because of the cost factor. This should not be the sole reason for promoting free software. Achieving self-reliance is often very pain-staking and difficult path. India's success stories in Space and Atomic energy are good illustrations in this regard. We don't and we should not do `cost of ownership' analysis on our path towards self-reliance. We should run for the values enshrined in our constitution, such as `self-reliance', even if they are expensive. Incidentally, though, free software is several times economical than Proprietary software. Why the expression `Linux India Initiative' is not appropriate? The term `Linux' refers to only one of the free kernels available, though the most popular. `BSD' does not use the Linux kernel, but is also a free OS. Another free kernel called HURD is also being developed by the GNU community. Since most applications that run on GNU/Linux also run on several OSs, including MS Windows, it is not appropriate to use only `Linux.' We should promote the use of free software even on propreitary OS. Most users who are already using MS windows can also use most of free software, though it is desirable to use a free OS in the long run. My suggestion is to use `Swatantra Software Initiative'. One of the main reasons why we should go for using Free Software is not merely because of the economic implications, but its use gives the users freedom, and self-reliance. The English expression ``Free Software Initiative'' also is not appropriate because, the term `free' is ambiguous, for in most widely used contexts it refers to `free of cost/charge'. Since India is committed to self-reliance it will be appropriate to use `Swatantra'. There are a few blocks in the road of taking Swatantra software to various corners of ICT use, such as the following: Using documents encoded in proprietary format, preventing free usage of data across different OS. This also encourages monopoly and facilitates lock-in. Most IT training institutions provide training mostly emphasizing or exclusively on proprietary applications. The syllabus in several colleges and Universities knowingly or unknowingly mentions not the neutral descriptions of what the student is supposed to learn, but names of proprietary applications. E.g., Excell in place of spreadsheets, or Ms-Word in place of word processor, Oracle in place of SQL, etc. At least in all Govt controlled institutions a policy should be made against this practice. A policy decision/discussion should happen regarding the software that is being developed within the Govt organizations, and its possible release under GPL or similar protected forms of free software license. The Annexure-I already contains several broad issues for discussion. Having supported the spread of Free software in the country for several years, and keeping in mind my expertise and the mandate of the institution (Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai) where I am working, I wish to contribute in whatever form on the following: Setting up of Resource Centres SIG in Education sector (including schools) Introduction in curricula of engineering colleges, universities and colleges.

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GUIs v/s CLI
by Satya 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

I hear a lot of discussion about how the Linux GUI should be more user-friendly, and how all programs should have a good GUI, etc. I have one need in a GUI: consistency! But here's my main point: I see too many programs now that require X to be installed, when the program doesn't need X. Why? Why? Don't do that. This has been a rant. -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> Press any key to continue or any other key to quit

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RMS in Mumbai 12-15th of FEB
by Nagarjuna G. 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the dates are 12-15th Feb 2003. Nagarjuna

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai 12-15th
by chetan v ingle 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

This is reply to Nagarjuna sir, I am chetan lug user , Well I am interested in having program with Stallman.My request is to keep program on sunday. let us know the schedule. Thanx for this info. chetan Ingle >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:52:39 +0530 > From: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in> >To: ILUG Bombay MList <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RMS in Mumbai 12-15th >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > >RMS (Richard Stallman) could visit Mumbai between 12-15th if all >of us >are interested in taking care of a good program. We can take >this >opportunity to shapeup our PRC attempts and revitalize the group, >and >have a public lecture as well as special meetings with >developers. He >will be going to Puna on 16th for the gnunify. > >Let me know this quickly so that I will tell him that we are >ready. > >Nagarjuna >

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what is .sft file extention
by romi jk 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

hi can anybody tell me what is .sft file extention and what application is it used and how do i open it (i have a cd of some small linux distribution and it contains a file called elite.sft but cant open it) thnkx in advance Rohit ------------------------------------------------- Sify Mail - now with Anti-virus protection powered by Trend Micro, USA. Know more at http://mail.sify.com Sunny`s column,World Cup Schedule, Scorecards, The cricket Store and much much more!! http://www.khel.com/worldcup/

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LINK: GNU/Linux in education...
by Frederick Noronha 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Anyone interested in the field of GNU/Linux in education? Contact Ajith Kumar for more details of his work. FN Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:42:54 +0530 From: Ajith Kumar <ajith(a)nsc.ernet.in> Subject: [fsug-calicut] Install GNU/Linux fast... *******Setup a Computer Lab within 30 minutes from a single CD******** Looking for volunteers to test it The GLUE CD, a collection of some educational software and documentation, now has pre-configured GNU/Linux System on it. As earlier you can browse the CD but now you can boot from it and Install a GNU/Linux system from it within 30 minutes. If there are no other systems required on the same harddisk, the process is fully automated. Otherwise you can make partitions manually and install. Those who have valuable data on disk cannot go for the first option On reboot you get a RedHat7.3 installation with OpenOffice, Compilers for different languages and other programs. A Terminal Server also is installed and configured, ie. It can support disk-less terminals if you have a network card. Floppy Boot files and ROM imaes for diskless PCs are also included with a lot of documentation. If anybody interested in tesitng it and give feedback, send me your postal address so that a CD can be send to you. Please forward to other related mailing lists. With regards Ajith ------------------------------

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Motorola SM56 modem not detected and depmod error
by Vinord Anand 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

hi, I am trying to set up modem to access Internet. I have dual boot system with Win98 and Reh Het 7.3 (2.4.18-3) modem works OK when connecting to Internet using Win98 dial up networking tools. This is my modem details Its SM56 PCI I Motorola Speakephone modem. [root@localhost scanModem]# lspci |grep SM56 PCI 00:09.0 Communication controller: Analog Devices SM56 PCI modem Subsystem: Analog Devices SM56 PCI modem Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 5 Memory at e7000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 [root@localhost floppy]# cat /proc/pci|grep SM56 PCI Bus 0, device 9, function 0: Communication controller: PCI device 11d4:1805 (Analog Devices) (rev 0). IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=1.Max Lat=255. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe7000000 [0xe70000ff]. I have a problem in that wvdial can't detect my modem. When use Red Hat 7.3 PPP dialer (Internet Configuration Wizard) Modem probing says no modem was found on your system [root@localhost scanModem]# wvdialconf /etc/wvdial1.conf Scanning your serial ports for a modem. ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- nothing. ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- nothing. Port Scan<*1>: S2 S3 S4 S5 S6 S7 S8 S9 .............................. Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? Did you configure it properly with setserial? I already have driver for my Motorola PCI SM56 Speakerphone (data/fax/voice) modem.I got driver files for Windows from same site http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SM56_DRIVERS.html I am using driver package http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SM56_5.1_I386.rpm [root@localhost root]# rpm -Uvh SM56_5.1_I386.rpm [root@localhost root]# sm56setup 679 Motorola SM56 SoftModem Setup for Linux Building driver... `/usr/local/sm56/sm56.o' -> `/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o' Creating device /dev/sm56... Pointing /dev/modem to /dev/sm56... Adding SM56 to /etc/modules.conf... SM56 setup complete [root@localhost root]# ls -ltr /dev/* |grep sm56 crw-r--r-- 1 root root 24, 0 Dec 19 16:52 /dev/sm56 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 19 16:52 /dev/modem -> /dev/sm56 [root@localhost root]# modprobe sm56 Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o will taint the kernel: no license Segmentation fault I also get some depmod errors [root@localhost scanModem]# cat /var/log/messages |grep sm56 Dec 21 19:06:20 localhost depmod: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o Dec 21 19:06:20 localhost rc.sysinit: Finding module dependencies:failed Dec 21 19:07:11 localhost modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 Today I tried new driver package from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/Motorola.html but also gave some unresolved symbols [root@localhost root]# rpm -Uvh sm56-85.1-10.i386.rpm [root@localhost root]# sm56setup 679 Motorola SM56 SoftModem Setup for Linux Building driver... `/usr/local/sm56/sm56.o' -> `/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56' Creating device /dev/sm56... Pointing /dev/modem to /dev/sm56... Adding SM56 to /etc/modules.conf... depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56 depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o SM56 setup complete. I tried using fixscript from http://www.heby.de/ltmodem (don't know if I need it since modem is not LT) but coudn't get it to run. Do I also need an updated serial driver!! This is what dmesg shows............. Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A no trace of ppp support or pppd daemon on my system. I thought ppp support was provided by default by RH7.3 kernel However after have tried to manually load sm56 [root@localhost root]# modprobe sm56 $lsmod and $cat /proc/modules always have sm56 1557324 (initializing) Never stops initializing! My /etc/wvdial.conf looks like this [Dialer Defaults] Modem = /dev/ttyS1 Baud = 57600 SetVolume = 4 Dial Command = ATDT Init1 = ATZ Init2 = AT&F&D2&C1V1S0=0E0 Init3 = ATS7=60\T0M1\N7%C1\Q3*LS1X4 Phone = 144000 Password = hidden Username = hidden FlowControl = XONXOFF [Dialer connect] Phone = 144000 Password = hidden Username = hidden Stupid Mode = 0 I tried other ports as well...... /dev/sm56 as one artical on web by Marvin Stodolsky suggests amd /dev/modem.Windows detected modem on COMM3 which would be /dev/ttyS2 in Linux but I haven't tried this yet. But there is this article which says it should't matter which internal port is being used by Windows for modem. I have been searching using google for almost 2 weeks, had subscribed to close to dozen mailing lists, sent close to dozen mails but still no progress. I have researched problem well (ref. e-mail addreses I know of people who had posted to some mailing lists regarding this problem) . I haven't considered option to throw away my modem yet! Any help would be very much appreciated. Vinord Anand _________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug

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Linux wins some big fans!
by Suhit Kelkar 24 Dec '02

24 Dec '02

The Seattle Times wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134601185_microlin… ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, December 23, 2002 - 12:00 a.m. Pacific Free Linux operating system wins some big-name fans By Kim Peterson Seattle Times technology reporter Zumiez, an Everett-based clothing and equipment store, is all about tracking the coolest in skater gear and teen fashion. But when it came to picking a computer system this year, the company was more concerned with saving money. Zumiez had been using the Unix operating system to power its cash registers, but the cost about $1,000 at each of its 100 locations was more than what the company wanted to pay. In lieu of Microsoft, which makes the industry's dominant operating system, the store's technicians turned to Linux, which was free. They installed the system by themselves and added internal e-mail, Web access and spreadsheets which they didn't have before. "It was a good cost savings," said Zumiez technology director Lee Hudson. "The stores have a lot more tools than they thought they would." While Microsoft offers many of the same tools, Zumiez runs a simple network and wouldn't use all of Windows' features, said Hudson. "We just don't need the expense of a Microsoft system," he said. The computing industry might look back on 2002 as the year people got serious about Linux. The operating system has been gaining momentum as an alternative to Microsoft and proprietary versions of Unix, and 2002 was a breakout year for the technology. Linux hasn't quite reached mainstream status in business computing, but it's coming close. And it has become a major competitor to Microsoft. The reason? Linux's underlying source code the guts of the system is available for free. Developers can download it, tinker with it and customize it for a company's needs. And in a year when words like "monopoly" and "copyright" dominated much of the technology industry, "free" drew a lot of attention. No one owns Linux, although a growing number of companies are trying to make money by helping people integrate it and by selling compatible software. The technology sprung from and now leads the movement toward freely-shared, open-source software. Microsoft welcomed Linux the way some people welcomed disco mocking it, berating it and gradually accepting that it could be here for a while. Chief Executive Steve Ballmer likened open-source software to cancer last year, but the company has since toned down its stance. These days, Microsoft is aggressively insistent that Windows costs less than Linux for the total package including tech support and other factors. We offer a few other signs that 2002 was Linux's breakout year: Moving into retail Big-name retailers and automakers adopted Linux on computer systems, in most cases replacing Unix. Movie-theater operator Regal Entertainment Group rolled out a Linux system at its concessions stands in September and is testing a Linux-based kiosk for ticket purchases. Sherwin-Williams, the paint dealer, launched Linux in May throughout its 2,500 stores in North America. Chrysler and other automakers turned to Linux computers to analyze crash simulations. Building momentum were stories from companies like Amazon.com, which said third-quarter 2001 technology costs dropped 24 percent to $54 million compared with the year before. The company attributed part of the savings to switching to Linux. Linux hits PCs It's hard to find many Linux-based personal computers at stores like Circuit City; the PC landscape belongs to Microsoft Windows, with fewer than 10 percent of users favoring such alternatives as Macintosh. But this year, Linux-based PCs from such companies as Lindows.com went on sale for as low as $199 at Walmart.com, the Web site for the discount retail giant. (That price doesn't include a monitor or modem.) Linux advocate Blake Couch, who surveys computer users about Linux on his Web site, www.wewantlinux.org, called it a watershed moment. "You get name recognition and visibility when people like IBM, Hewlett-Packard and even Sun are seen to be backing Linux," he said. "But now we're talking small-town, mom-and-pop kind of stuff when you're talking about Wal-Mart." Microsoft is watching Amid the movement, Linux has become a huge discussion topic at Microsoft, according to analysts with Seattle investment firm McAdams Wright Ragen, who visited Microsoft executives recently. "Linux was described as a huge threat, and as something that every senior executive thinks about every day," according to a Dec. 11 report by analyst L. Alan Davis. Add to that observations by Rick Belluzzo, who resigned in April as Microsoft's president and chief operating officer. In an interview with trade magazine Computerworld, Belluzzo hinted that a common reaction to the subject of Linux within Microsoft was to "jump up and scream." "Linux is clearly the biggest competitive challenge that Microsoft has ever faced," Belluzzo said in the interview. "It's unlike anything before there's not a company behind it. It's very elusive, in a way." Publicly, Microsoft has toned down its rhetoric toward Linux. The company even attended this year's LinuxWorld trade show. Peter Houston, Microsoft's chief server strategist, said the company had previously taken an "emotional" view of Linux. "I don't think customers really want us to come out and talk about what's wrong with Linux," he said. "They want to talk about how Windows solves their problems." To be sure, Microsoft has gone from bashing its competitor to portraying itself as ultimately less expensive on a "total cost of ownership" basis. The idea: It's cheaper to maintain and fix a car that most mechanics know about, such as a Toyota, than one few people drive. In a report commissioned this year by Microsoft, the research firm IDC found that Windows costs up to 22 percent less than Linux over a five-year period. Most of the cost differences were due to staffing, the report said, because more work is required to support Linux systems. IBM sees returns Companies such as HP and Sun continued to integrate Linux into software and other products this year. Wednesday, rivals Matsushita and Sony announced a partnership to develop Linux for digital home devices, such as televisions. IBM has made huge investments in Linux, with 250 of its developers working full time on the operating system. The company committed $1 billion last year to the technology, and the strategy seems to be paying off. The company's Linux sales hit $216 million in the third quarter, up 83 percent from the same period the year before and 31 percent from the previous quarter, according to research firm Gartner. IBM is so entrenched in Linux that it could dictate the operating system's future in ways likely to suit its own needs, said Houston at Microsoft. "In a very real sense, IBM is the face of Linux," he said. Meantime, it seemed that nearly everyone who rode Linux's coattails in the server market saw returns. Linux revenue grew to $548 million in the third quarter, up 65 percent from the year before, according to Gartner. That trend has caused other companies, such as graphics chipmaker Nvidia, to broaden its line of Linux-compatible products. "One of the main reasons that a lot of people move to Linux is they want to save money," said Nvidia software product manager Andrew Fear. Cutting into Unix Linux seems to be taking more business from the Unix market than from Microsoft, analysts say. "I'm not sure that there's a direct fight between Linux and Microsoft yet," said Michael Cherry, an analyst with Directions on Microsoft. The key word is yet. Aberdeen Group analyst Bill Claybrook expects Linux to leapfrog Windows and replace Unix on commercial operating systems within seven or eight years. "Linux is so appealing because it isn't owned by anybody," he said. "You don't have to deal with a monster like Microsoft. You don't have to hassle with a company over contracts and licensing." Kim Peterson: 206-464-2360 or kpeterson(a)seattletimes.com. Copyright © 2002 The Seattle Times Company -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Motorola SM56 modem not detected and depmod error
by sameer shinde 24 Dec '02

24 Dec '02

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Motorola SM56 modem not detected and depmod error
by Vinord Anand 24 Dec '02

24 Dec '02

HI, I am trying to set up modem to access Internet. I have dual boot system with Win98 and Reh Het 7.3 (2.4.18-3) modem works OK when connecting to Internet using Win98 dial up networking tools. This is my modem details Its SM56 PCI I Motorola Speakephone modem. [root@localhost scanModem]# lspci |grep SM56 PCI 00:09.0 Communication controller: Analog Devices SM56 PCI modem Subsystem: Analog Devices SM56 PCI modem Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 5 Memory at e7000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 [root@localhost floppy]# cat /proc/pci|grep SM56 PCI Bus 0, device 9, function 0: Communication controller: PCI device 11d4:1805 (Analog Devices) (rev 0). IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=1.Max Lat=255. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe7000000 [0xe70000ff]. I have a problem in that wvdial can't detect my modem. When use Red Hat 7.3 PPP dialer (Internet Configuration Wizard) Modem probing says no modem was found on your system [root@localhost scanModem]# wvdialconf /etc/wvdial1.conf Scanning your serial ports for a modem. ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- nothing. ttyS1<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- ATQ0 V1 E1 -- nothing. Port Scan<*1>: S2 S3 S4 S5 S6 S7 S8 S9 .............................. Sorry, no modem was detected! Is it in use by another program? Did you configure it properly with setserial? I already have driver for my Motorola PCI SM56 Speakerphone (data/fax/voice) modem.I got driver files for Windows from same site http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SM56_DRIVERS.html I am using driver package http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SM56_5.1_I386.rpm [root@localhost root]# rpm -Uvh SM56_5.1_I386.rpm [root@localhost root]# sm56setup 679 Motorola SM56 SoftModem Setup for Linux Building driver... `/usr/local/sm56/sm56.o' -> `/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o' Creating device /dev/sm56... Pointing /dev/modem to /dev/sm56... Adding SM56 to /etc/modules.conf... SM56 setup complete [root@localhost root]# ls -ltr /dev/* |grep sm56 crw-r--r-- 1 root root 24, 0 Dec 19 16:52 /dev/sm56 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 19 16:52 /dev/modem -> /dev/sm56 [root@localhost root]# modprobe sm56 Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o will taint the kernel: no license Segmentation fault I also get some depmod errors [root@localhost scanModem]# cat /var/log/messages |grep sm56 Dec 21 19:06:20 localhost depmod: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o Dec 21 19:06:20 localhost rc.sysinit: Finding module dependencies:failed Dec 21 19:07:11 localhost modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-81 Today I tried new driver package from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/Motorola.html but also gave some unresolved symbols [root@localhost root]# rpm -Uvh sm56-85.1-10.i386.rpm [root@localhost root]# sm56setup 679 Motorola SM56 SoftModem Setup for Linux Building driver... `/usr/local/sm56/sm56.o' -> `/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56' Creating device /dev/sm56... Pointing /dev/modem to /dev/sm56... Adding SM56 to /etc/modules.conf... depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56 depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/drivers/char/sm56.o SM56 setup complete. I tried using fixscript from http://www.heby.de/ltmodem (don't know if I need it since modem is not LT) but coudn't get it to run. Do I also need an updated serial driver!! This is what dmesg shows............. Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A no trace of ppp support or pppd daemon on my system. I thought ppp support was provided by default by RH7.3 kernel However after have tried to manually load sm56 [root@localhost root]# modprobe sm56 $lsmod and $cat /proc/modules always have sm56 1557324 (initializing) Never stops initializing! My /etc/wvdial.conf looks like this [Dialer Defaults] Modem = /dev/ttyS1 Baud = 57600 SetVolume = 4 Dial Command = ATDT Init1 = ATZ Init2 = AT&F&D2&C1V1S0=0E0 Init3 = ATS7=60\T0M1\N7%C1\Q3*LS1X4 Phone = 144000 Password = hidden Username = hidden FlowControl = XONXOFF [Dialer connect] Phone = 144000 Password = hidden Username = hidden Stupid Mode = 0 I tried other ports as well...... /dev/sm56 as one artical on web by Marvin Stodolsky suggests amd /dev/modem.Windows detected modem on COMM3 which would be /dev/ttyS2 in Linux but I haven't tried this yet. But there is this article which says it should't matter which internal port is being used by Windows for modem. I have been searching using google for almost 2 weeks, had subscribed to close to dozen mailing lists, sent close to dozen mails but still no progress. I have researched problem well (ref. e-mail addreses I know of people who had posted to some mailing lists regarding this problem) . I haven't considered option to throw away my modem yet! Any help would be very much appreciated. Vinord Anand

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[OT] Latex... should I use it?
by Nikhil Joshi 24 Dec '02

24 Dec '02

Hi! I recently submitted my proj synopsis, over which the examiner was not at all impressed (spacing,indentation,et al...) We had done the thing in Microsoft Word format ( I used Star Office while my colleagues Microsoft Office ) I researched a little and found out that groff and Latex are great doc formatting (typesetting ?) tools. Also I discovered that mostly Latex is preferred over groff. Now I've learnt Latex a little. However the pdf file I create (with the help of dvips and ps2pdf) looks very crappy in acrobat reader. Ghostview however displays the thing quite well. Is this normal? Has anyone tried Latex and stuff ? Most probably we would print the project on a Windows machine ( i guess very few DTP vendors have Linux as of yet :( ). One of my friends told me that pdf files do not print quite well as compared with Microsoft Word files. Is this correct? I'm in a fix. I'm beginning to like Latex. But at the same time I would not like to face problems with the printing and stuff. Has anyone made his/her synopsis/report/article in Latex ? Is there any other good doc formatting system? Please guide Thx Nikhil

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anybody tell me what is .sft file extentions
by romi jk 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

hi can anybody tell me what is .sft file extention and what application is it used and how do i open it (i have a cd of some small linux distribution and it contains a file called elite.sft but cant open it) thnkx in advance Rohit ------------------------------------------------- Sify Mail - now with Anti-virus protection powered by Trend Micro, USA. Know more at http://mail.sify.com Sunny`s column,World Cup Schedule, Scorecards, The cricket Store and much much more!! http://www.khel.com/worldcup/

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Linux Lunacy at Arnala
by Abhijeet More 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

"Are you sure about the place and the timing?", I asked Sachin - the only presence from the LUG that I was aware of till then. " As far as I remember it *was* Borivili Station, 7:00 am , Platform no. 6 .... under the indicator." "Yeah! Platform no 6 , under the indicator", comes a voice from behind us. "Hi, I am Mr. Ram Rao ...." Trevor joins in a while later, and then the gang eventually assembles. We left at around 8:00am from Borivili Station for Arnala. But 'lunacy' had already begun for all there. No one seemed to notice that things had been delayed because people were already talking computers ... after the initial 'Hi's and 'Hello's. We got to the resort talking about open source as a business strategy, AMD vs. Intel, 'tangibility in the new world' and what not. At the resort, we hogged at the breakfast table. Absence of females at the resort made us wonder if entry was restricted only to Linux users ;-). Some soft music was being played and the pool looked inviting ... so we obliged our senses ... Ouch, the water was chilling and neither was the sun as hot as yet ... but soon we got playing handball in the pool and the chill didn't quite bother us anymore. Gurpreet, Kunal , Warren had arrived by then. After a few beers, people got back in the pool for some more handball. By noon we'd had enough of it, so we got out and began waiting for lunch to be served. A discussion on the history of commercial computers ensued with Mr. Rao talking about how computers long back,before the IBM PC would boot into BASIC. There was discussion on the invention of GUI and its commercial adoption first by Apple and then by Microsoft. This was followed by some discussion on the current hardware scenario, cheap laptops, expensive server tecnologies. Trevor talked about Media Labs and some of the research work going on there... on low cost technologies. Lunch was taken at half past one and by that time all of us were hungry enough not to talk about computers until some pet puja. Prakash Advani of freeos.com, then talked about the inside experience at his venture, what gave him the idea, how he got funded and his thoughts on content publishing dotcoms as of now. That was followed by discussion on free software business models. Almost everybody was of the opinion that intellectual property had to be recognised. Ideas for revenue generation under such models were put in. Mr. Rao discussed in particular about his enterprise Bajirao Technologies which is into (proprietary) Linux based solutions for medical institutions of all sizes. We left for a walk by the beach at around 3:30, after which we left for Virar. However lunacy wasn't quite over. In the train on the way back, there was that never ending war: 'emacs vs. vi' I and Warren Noronha happened to be the only emacs users around. So it was 2 against 12, but still vociferous enough, countering each of the stupid anti-emacs arguments ... after all, emacs *is* the best editor ;-). So that's what Linux Lunacy was like. Looking forward for a lot more such events. ciao Abhijeet More PS: This lug seriously needs to take a look at HOWTO encourage women in Linux.(http://www.linuxchix.org) ... How about a Linux workshop at SNDT?? (Kapil's idea ... I think)

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Method to print in draft mode frm GNOME/KDE.
by P.V. Mohan Krishnan 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

We need to print documents in draft mode on DMPs and D Inkjet printers from Openoffice. Is thre any method of doing that ? Maybe if some simple font was available this could be done !!! - Mohan Krishnan

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Re: [ilug-goa] Poll results for ilug-goa........how about this contest
by Trevor Warren 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

Hello FN, How about having a contest on framing Business models based on Free Software. I am sure we can rope in some sponsors and then get them to foster the young minds to build a feasible buisiness model based on FSF/OS. Lemme know if this interests you. We can figure out the modalitities later. I would like to run this on an all india level. Bye for now. Trevor On 16 Dec 2002 13:57:42 -0000 ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com wrote: > > The following ilug-goa poll is now closed. Here are the > final results: > > > POLL QUESTION: Is it possible to make a living from > Free/Libre and Open Source Software > (FLOSS)? > > CHOICES AND RESULTS > - No way, you must be kidding..., 0 votes, 0.00% > - Mmmm... I'm not sure about this, 0 votes, 0.00% > - Maybe, under certain circumstances, 0 votes, 0.00% > - Yes, I'm confident I could do it, 0 votes, 0.00% > - Why not?, 0 votes, 0.00% > - For individuals and small firms yes, not for large companies with > overheads, 0 votes, 0.00% - It's possible, but different business > models need to be adopted, 3 votes, 60.00% - You can making a living > (or more)... but not your millions, 1 votes, 20.00% - This is the > wrong premise on which to start a debate about FLOSS, 0 votes, 0.00% > - This is a very crucial question that needs to be first answered, 0 > votes, 0.00% - Proprietorial software has given us wrong ideas about > how to earn from software, 0 votes, 0.00% - FLOSS could expand the > market and create tonnes of more work, 0 votes, 0.00% - Giving away > code for free would kill potential for creativity, 0 votes, 0.00% - > Show us models that work, and we'll be convinced, 0 votes, 0.00% - > How does RMS make his living anyway?, 1 votes, 20.00% > > INDIVIDUAL VOTES > - No way, you must be kidding... > - Mmmm... I'm not sure about this > - Maybe, under certain circumstances > - Yes, I'm confident I could do it > - Why not? > - For individuals and small firms yes, not for large companies with > overheads - It's possible, but different business models need to be > adopted > - saniltalaulikar(a)yahoo.com > - fred(a)bytesforall.org > - trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com > - You can making a living (or more)... but not your millions > - mario(a)alienwiz.com > - This is the wrong premise on which to start a debate about FLOSS > - This is a very crucial question that needs to be first answered > - Proprietorial software has given us wrong ideas about how to earn > from software - FLOSS could expand the market and create tonnes of > more work - Giving away code for free would kill potential for > creativity - Show us models that work, and we'll be convinced > - How does RMS make his living anyway? > - a7ash(a)yahoo.com > > > For more information about this group, please visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa > > For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> Get 128 Bit SSL Encryption! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/CBxunD/vN2EAA/xGHJAA/0XFolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > To Post a message, send it to: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > ilug-goa-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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wireless info
by Jai 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

Hi Everybody... Can anybody tell me who in mumbai will setup wireless network, my server and clients will be linux based. So I need to know which Access Point, WLAN cards are compatible with linux networking and there availability. bye JAI

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Emulex fiber channel adapter on Linux
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 22 Dec '02

22 Dec '02

Hi, We have SAN here, with a Compaq TL890 tape library, an HSG80 storage array, one GS160 configured as two hosts and a normal ML350 ... all connected to a SAN switch through Emulex fiber channel adapters. For testing, we connected the tape library (TL890 directly to the ML350). It has 10 tape slots and two drives with a robotic arm ... the ML350 has an Emulex fiber channel adapter, that is supposed to show all SAN boxes as SCSI devices. But problem is, /proc/scsi/scsi shows only the robotic arm, and not the tape drives ... we tried compiling all the scsi modules into the kernel, but still no effect. Earlier, when the server was on the SAN, it could not see the storage array or other hosts either. It only shows the first LUN it founds. So we tried tweaking MAX_LUNS, but that doesn't help either! Has anybody tried doing something like this before? Please help! Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow.

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problem with printer resolution
by Pradnyesh Sawant 22 Dec '02

22 Dec '02

Hello, i have the foll doubts regarding my printer. i hope u all will be kind enough to answer them 1. i have an epson 480 color stylus printer, which has support in rhl 7.3. the docs (/usr/share/doc/ghostscript-6.52/Devices.htm) specifies that my printer can give the foll resolutions: Xdpi=180,360,720 & Ydpi=90,180,360,720. but i don't know how 2 use these resolutions. plz tell me some place where i can learn about the "gs" command mentioned in the above mentioned doc. also i didn't understand the "YourFile.ps" part. can somebody plz hlp me out? THANX! 1. how can i see the status of the ink remaining in my cartridges? also how do i replace the cartridge when it is empty? 1. when i tried taking some print-outs using gimp, i got them in the default res. if the image is color then the print-out gets messed up, whereas if i specify a b&w print-out, then the image is printed using both color & b&w inks. how do i specify if i want 2 use only b&w ink? THANX! a lot in advance :) -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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DNS defaults
by Amish Munshi 22 Dec '02

22 Dec '02

Hi, How do I setup bind to give all the IP address for all subdomains as a.b.c.d? I mean if myhost.com has an IP of 20.20.20.20, then how can I configure DNS server on myhost.com so that ns1.myhost.com,mail.myhost.com, and anything.myhost.com points to 20.20.20.20. I do not want to create a seperate entry for all of them I was a single line that will make everything.myhost.com point to 20.20.20.20. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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NEWSLETTER: GNU/LinuxIndia Dec 22, 2002
by Frederick Noronha 22 Dec '02

22 Dec '02

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You can download the ISO image from ftp://ftp.seul.org/pub/glue/ Bowse the contents of it at ftp://ftp.seul.org/pub/glue/GLUE/index.html Recently, Ajith was demoing the CD to the Press. Says he: "It takes only 10 minutes to setup the lab. Method is extreamly simple. Create a RedHat (or any other) installation and all other required software. Make a tarball of it. A bootable CD with a small script plants it to another computer. "Kudzu" does a good job in detecting new hardware." Free Software campaigners in the Southern State of Kerala are convinced that the local government is "wasting their money" if they sign a MoU (memorandum of understanding) for costly proprietorial software to be implemented in their IT@School Project. o MAKING FREE SOFTWARE/OPEN SOURCE A 'HOUSEHOLD NAME': Abhishek <efylinux1(a)electronicsforu.com> of ElectronicsForYou magazine writes in to announce the planned launch of a new Indian mag, devoted entirely to Free Software and Open Source. Some key facts, as promised by this publishing group, are as follows. Launch date: mid January 2003. Pages: 100 plus. Cover price: Rs 50, or about US$1 (including a CD). This mag is likely to be called 'Linux For You'. It is being published by the same group that brings out 'Electronics For You' and the 'i.t.' magazines. Ideas, suggestions, doubts and inputs for editorial content invited. o LINUX-INDIA GENERAL: This is the list which still is working to play the role of networking different Free/Libre and Open Source Software initiatives across India. See the Linux-India General list at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-india-general o LITTLE LEAGUE: The idea is to help smaller LUGs around India to network and share resources and ideas to grow and survive. If you belong to this category, contact Sukrit D of Pondicherry <sd_root(a)yahoo.com>. There's also an offer to help you get inexpensive (maybe even zero-cost) CDs of useful distros... provided you undertake to share the same widely in your area. o BELGAUM LUG: Belgaum is a city of c. 300,000 in North Karnataka and home to one of the youngest GNU/Linux user groups in India. This was recently launched with most members being students of the Gogte College of Engineering there. If you'd like to get in touch contact Ashutosh Naik <a7ash(a)yahoo.com> and Rohan Kangralkar <rohankangralkar(a)hotmail.com>. See also their list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-belgaum All the best to them. o LINKING STUDENTS, PROJECTS, MENTORS: Mumbai/Bombay-based Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> or <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu>, while still in his early twenties, has come up with this idea of a Project Resource Centre. The goal? To link students wanting socially-useful and challenging projects with techies willing to play the role of mentors. Any volunteers? Says Warren: "As of now...we are looking forwards to having a decent site dissimanating information to the FSF/OS community on the following aspects. --> What is the objective of the PRC. --> List of projects for (students) to take up --> List of mentors with their skill sets (based on a Wiki-like tool) --> List of projects students/community wants to propose --> Section for commercial projects that the industry wants to offer --> Collabration tool for all. Tripta <tripta(a)sarai.net> from Delhi, another young lady behind a lot of interesting work, volunteered to list some of the people who have already signed up at the PRC as mentors, some possible projects, and who's coming forward to work on the same. For more details, sign on or check out the archives at the site http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SiteWatch RANDOMLY-SELECTED INDIAN GNU/LINUX SITES: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://ilugmvgr.sourceforge.net Hi all, this is MVGR college linux user group website. In this website we will chat and explore to Linux as well as Linux applications. This website has lots of information as well as good links to visit on LINUX. Every one is invited to join us, we are well supported by OSDN (open source development network), SOURCEFORGE (world's biggest open source arena) as well as lots of Linux lovers.... We will discuss all Linux issues and help each other. Members can also write application programs for Linux but under GNU (the General Public License). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/in-phpug A group for PHP users and developers in India. Anyone and everyone who is interested in PHP, the world's most popular scripting language, is invited to join the Indian PHP User Group. Share your code, your problem, search for solutions, create fantastic new projects. And most importantly *enjoy*. Founded Dec 2001. Members 103. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUR INPUTS to this newsletter are welcome. Volunteers more than welcome. Contact us at fred at bytesforall dot org --COPYLEFT 2002, GPL. May be freely circulated provided entire text is retained. FN --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fw: Schedule 4.......Re: Gnu-Linux Lunacy on schedule.....on 22nd
by Trevor Warren 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

Hello luggers, good day to you all. The schedule is as follows.... --> Meet at 7:00AM at Borivli station under platform no6 indicator. Pls make sure to have purchase return tickets to virar in advance before you enter the station. --> Leave for Virar by fast train --> Take Rick from Virar to get to Arnala(Sealord Resort) --> Pay up 150/- each to Trevor to gain entry into the Resort. --> Have breakfast on arrival. Talks....chat and festivities..... --> Lunch at 1:00. --> Departure by 5:00 Someone pls bring their camera along.... --> Arrange to bring along your own beers/snacks if you want to. Breakfast/lunch is what is inclusive. Bye for now and have agreat day and don't report late else we will have to leave without you. Trevor On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:26:02 +0530 Trevor Warren <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> wrote: > > Hello Gnu-Luggers, > good-day all. > > Just wanted to let you'll know that we will be leaving on 22nd > morning > for arnala by train, at the earliest possible time. 5:45 should be > good enough at Andheri stn......We will have to figure this one out. > > That apart no one has to pay me. We will foot out own bills and > travelling charges. > > Speakers....pls be ready with your material, it will be a very > informal > session but still come prepared. No, excuses. > > Bye for now and have a great day. > > Trevor > > -- > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > \___________________________________/ > > -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Meeting Agenda
by Amish Munshi 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

Hi, In the Feb meeting I can provide a overview on GUI programming using qt. Anyone of you interested in sharing some info for the jan meeting. Do come up with whatever you can, I need to decide about what the agenda will be for the meet. Bye.

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[OT] - Freelance Perl Programmer.
by Kapil Karekar 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

Hello Luggers :-)) I am in urgent need of a freelance Perl programmer. I have a script which works on Apache running on Linux OS. I need it to work on Apache running on Windows OS. The script is ready. It has just to be ported. The work is small and needs to be done fast. If any body is interested please e-mail me as soon as possible at: kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net Waiting for your replies. Kapil Karekar Libre Technologies ---------------------------------------- Let us build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

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Linux Lunacy ... 5:45am too early
by Abhijeet More 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

Hey Guys, I stay in New Mumbai, Nerul. The first train around here is around 5:00 am .... So there's no way I can get there .. Andheri or Borivali by 5:45am. Is there any one else coming over from this side of town?? And yeah!, do we have a mechanism to ensure that no one interested in coming is being left behind before leaving from Andheri or Borivali? We need to arrive at a consensus and ... it better be quick. ciao Abhijeet More

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RE: Qmail relaying
by Amish Munshi 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

Hello, I wrote a mail 2 days back asking about how qmail was relaying mails when my test for relaying was negative. I found the problem My QMail installation is accecpting all mails for the domains I am hosting. But it does not check if the user exists on my system. For example, amishmunshi(a)myhost.com doesnot exist. But myhost.com is present in rcpthosts, locals and virtualhosts, so it is accecpting the mail, but then when it realizes that amishmunshi is not a local user and there is no alias for it, then it tries to bounce the mail, not when spammers send mails, their mail address does not exist, so the bounced mails bounce back. I want to configure qmail to accecpt mail only if the user exist. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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NEW MAG PLANNED: Linux For You (fwd)
by Frederick Noronha 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Of course it would be welcome. I had just heard of this during my early December visit to Bangalore, and do sincerely hope it takes off. Don't make the mistake of pushing out CDs with every issue -- this pushes up the cost. Give us a simple issue, on plain newsprint, but packed with the latest useful information. FN PS: Eagerly looking forward to you keeping your launch date. PPS: How about calling it something more inclusive such as GNU/Linux for You, since it would be presumably dealing with not just the Linux-kernel but the entire gamut of Free Software, GPL'd and Open Source software? On Thursday 19 December 2002 12:03, you wrote: > Dear Linux Enthusiast, > > This is to inform you that we are launching a new magazine > dedicated to Linux. The magazine bears the title "Linux For You." > It is being published > by the same group that brings out Electronics For You and 'i.t.' > magazines. > > Ideas, suggestions, doubts and inputs in terms of editorial are > invited. We hope that people like YOU who are strong supporters of > LINUX will provide FULL support to help us make Linux a house-hold > name. > > Regards > Abhishek > efylinux1(a)electronicsforu.com > > Key Facts: > ========== > Launch Date: Mid Jan '03 > Pages: 100 plus > Cover price: Rs 50 (incl a CD) > > Note:please forward this mail wherever you find linux enthusiasts

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problem in segregating forwarded mails.
by Asif Shaikh 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

I am having the following Scenario at our end and have a problem with our COBALT QUBE 3 fetchmail server which runs Cobalt Linux 6.2, kernel 2.2.16-7. We have a mail server hosted at a Service Provider with domain name "mydomain.com". All employees have e-mail adresses like xyz(a)mydomain.com. We have asked our e-Mail service provider to create another sub-domain mail account called "bom.mydomain.com" whose mailbox is accessed with the account "penguin(a)bom.mydomain.com. For all our Bombay employees , I've created accounts on the Cobalt having same id as in the mydomain.com domain. we want to use our Local Cobalt Server as Mail server for Sending and receiving mails. So we have asked our Service Provider to have all the mails forwarded from their mydomain.com account to the new sub-domain account "bom.mydomain.com" which is then downloaded by our COBALT QUBE 3 fetchmail server having the same domain name "bom.mydomain.com". Now, the problem we are facing is that although the mails at users inboxes at "mydomain.com" are being forwarded to the new sub-domain mail account, all mails are falling into the admin mailbox and not into the respective locally created folders. eg: mails addressed to test(a)mydomain.com are being forwarded to test(a)bom.mydomain.com but the mails are falling into the default penguin user's inbox which I can see in the admin's inbox. I want the forwarded mail messages to fall into the users respective inbox. How can I make the cobalt do this? Please note however that mails addressed to test(a)bom.mydomain.com or any other user does fall correctly to the "test" users mailbox when sent from any domain directly. It is only the mails forwarded from the domain.com mail domain that are causing the problem. rgds, abbas

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Re: Gnu-Linux Lunacy on schedule.....on 22nd
by Trevor Warren 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:26:02 +0530 Trevor Warren <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> wrote: > > Hello Gnu-Luggers, > good-day all. > > Just wanted to let you'll know that we will be leaving on 22nd > morning > for arnala by train, at the earliest possible time. 5:45 should be > good enough at Andheri stn......We will have to figure this one out. > > That apart no one has to pay me. We will foot out own bills and > travelling charges. > > Speakers....pls be ready with your material, it will be a very > informal > session but still come prepared. No, excuses. > > Bye for now and have a great day. > > Trevor > > -- > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > \___________________________________/ > > -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Change password from a script
by Amish Munshi 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

Hi, Is there a way to change passwords using a program or a script? I want to set a password for an account, using PHP script, but I do not mind going through the entire process of sudo, a c program, a shell script, etc. Absolutely anyway that can change a password from a script. Thanks in advance. Bye.

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Problems compiling star-1.4 backup utility
by SRINIVAS TURAGA 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

Hi I am facing problems while compiling star-1.4. My linux box details Redhat 7.3 Kernel 2.4.18 But its works fine on my linux box 7.1 Kernel 2.96 Can any one please help. -Thanks in advance Srinivas Here is a snap shot of compiler errors ************************************************************************************************ loading cache ./config.cache checking host system type... Invalid configuration `unknownCPU-unknownMFR-unknow nOS': machine `unknownCPU-unknownMFR' not recognized checking for Cygwin environment... no checking for mingw32 environment... no checking for EMX/OS2 environment... no checking for executable suffix... configure: error: installation or configuratio n problem: compiler cannot create executables. make[1]: *** [../incs/i686-linux-cc/rules.cnf] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/lauren/star-1.4/man' make: *** [all] Error 2 ************************************************************************************************

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