- Linuxers - lists.fsci.in

Linux India Initiatives
by Philip S Tellis 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

I have been asked to forward these two files to the list, but as they are too big, I have put them on my website and am sending the links: http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/Annexure.ps http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/Letter+for+Linux+Meeting.ps Philip -- The purpose of Physics 7A is to make the engineers realize that they're not perfect, and to make the rest of the people realize that they're not engineers.

2 2

please help
by prasant kumar sahu 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

some one change my (susi linux 7.1) root password so i could not enter into root please tell me how can i enter. it will display file sytem error give root password for repair . the repair command is fsck /dev/fd9 but how can i enter it will not display (root prompt #)after give root passwprd if will fix the bug and it will display file system repaired then next time i can enter into root.so plese tell me. prasant

4 4

C and emacs
by Rahul Saxena 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

hi there, Can i look at values of constants or expressions, probably from an another file, say a header or somthing, using emacs. I guess it would involve going going through all the #defines or constructs in the header files ? I dont know how to program emacs and was wondering if somone show me a macro or somthing. :-p thanks and regards -rahul -- drug, n: A substance that, injected into a rat, produces a scientific paper.

3 2

Re:CASE Tools needed
by pshah＠adaptivesoftware.biz 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Check out ArgoUML at www.tigris.org Its a good UML tool written in Java. regards Parag

1 0

(no subject)
by c raja kumar 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

hallo sir i copied one file from system to floppy.in the same system itself i opened the floppy. the file is in floppy.but when i put the floppy in another system and while opening the floppy the file is not there.it gives the following message. "it has read only option" please anybody answer

2 1

URGENT REQUREMENT : Linux Pro
by akshaysalkar 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

an URGENT linux professional requirement for a software company. should be a graduate and must have around 6mths. experience atleast in system administration. call withing 2 days at the below contact akshay 22052404 also email your resume at akshaysalkar(a)indiatimes.com regards akshe Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.com Now bid just 7 Days in Advance and get Huge Discounts on Indian Airlines Flights. So log on to http://indianairlines.indiatimes.com and Bid Now!

3 2

Faster Startup of apps
by Amish Munshi 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Hi, About one year back in a Mandrake mailing-list one of the developer pointed out that they could not keep programs in memory as windows does with IE, so apps take longer to startup on unices. I was willing to keep some of the apps in memory and let them occupy my memory in favour of faster startups of those apps. I have not idea how to do this. Any clues on how this can be accomplished? Presently I am using Mandrake 9.0 on AMD K6-2 500Mhz, 160MB RAM. I would like a generic solution that can be applied on any distribution or unix rather than a Mandrake specific solution. Thanks in advance. Bye.

2 1

Re: Urgent: Mail not being delivered: Problem (almost) solved
by Bhargav Bhatt 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

consultant(a)columbia.edu wrote: > What is the list you are referring to? Have there been any bounced > messages that we can see? > > Joyce Fetterman The mailing list is ilug-bom (linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in - Indian Linux Users Group - Bombay). After this problem occured, I opened up another subscription to the list using this very email account but a different alias i.e bhargav.bhatt(a)columbia.edu instead of bbb2004(a)columbia.edu. Then it seemed to be work fine. However, the first problem(no mail from the list to bbb2004(a)columbia.edu) still remained. So then i just cancelled the subscritption from bbb2004(a)columbia.edu and it still worked So no problems anymore, Yippe! :) Thanks a lot for getting back, though. -- Bhargav Bhatt, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.

1 1

SQL
by slash_axl_rose_upen 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

hi all I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked with sql also how do i get started and which is a good book for sql on linux thnkx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

4 3

CASE Tools needed
by Sankha Subhra Som 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

Hi, Can someone tell me about some CASE tools available under GPL for Linux that provide end to end support for the SDLC. Something on the lines of Rational . . . Regards Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

3 2

Need a Linux Implementor
by vikas kashikar 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

I need help from a Linux implementor on a full-time to assist/contribute more in Linux implementation projects. Knowledge of C and PHP will be ideal VIkas --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

5 5

(no subject)
by prasad 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

2 1

Photos of Dec 2002 LUG Meet @ KReSIT
by Dinesh Shah 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hi All, Here are the Photos of LUG Meet. (Pictures by Navin Dhanuka. Thx Navin :-)) http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-meetings/Dec-2002/ Will put minutes ASAP. Need input for 1st hour of the meet. (Reached there @ 5:00pm instead of 4:00pm :-( ) Enjoy... With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System Dinesh(a)ShahMicro.com Mobile: (+91) 98213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 56919423 Tel: (+91-22) 26747120

6 9

[Announce] libyahoo2 0.6.2
by Philip S Tellis 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

libyahoo2 0.6.2 has been released http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ libyahoo2 is a C library implementation of a Yahoo! Messenger client. Changes include: * Fixes to work with big endian systems * Multiple offline messages are now received correctly * Memory leaks cleaned up * Check for glib-2 as well as glib-1 * Added a pkgconfig file and spec file for RPM, and make libyahoo2 versioned * libyahoo2 now automatically scans ports 21, 23, 25 and 80 if it cannot connect on the default port. * no longer strip colour/style codes from messages * added colour entry for any colour to yahoo2_types.h Get it at http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/ libyahoo2 comes with a sample client that you can use as a template to build your own client. Questions? Post them on the libyahoo2-users mailing list Bugs? Report them on the website. -- No matter who you are, some scholar can show you the great idea you had was had by someone before you.

4 8

A humble suggestion for robust system
by Rajagopal Iyer 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

greetings and ! I am an IT professional for last 18 years having varied experience in h/w, applications, network on various platforms. I am currently overseeing the IT operations of a leading construction company in Mumbai. After following linux in general and open source software in particular, I believe one question would have crossed people's mind at least once: Can there ever, single image deployable distribution, be made? In other words, can a single distribution fit all? In the process of following up various development in the OSS and after a study of REAL and PRACTICAL computing requirements, I found out that there is very little integrated approach to the open source computing architecture. I have tried my best to define one purely from Indian context. I hereby submit it for review of the linux user group. I hope you all find it meaningful, practical and easy. I welcome all questions, comments and criticisms. Many of the technologies are alrady available. I am ready to work with others to make it a reality. Rajagopal S. Iyer ---------- begin Architecture definition ----------------- yajur aNOTHER jOINT uNDERTAKING rESULT - veda eXTENSIBLE dISTRIBUTED aRCHITECTURE Proposed Computing Environment By Rajagopal S. Iyer, Thane, Mumbai. Phone: (9122) 547 3884 (Sr. Co-ordinator, Facilities, ISD, Lok Group) e-mail : rajsand(a)hindunet.com Copyright (C) 16th February 2002, Rajagopal S. Iyer. All rights Reserved by the author. Organisations and People who run it don't require computers: They require their familiar, private, powerful, secure computing environment anywhere, anytime. This architecture keeps the human in the centre of the design. Care has been taken to ensure that Most of the ideas mentioned here can be implemented with off the shelf technology with realtime acceptable performance for the user. A Vertically integrated machine with this architecture is not in existance but can be built by doing modifying various underlying technologies. vEDA eXTENSIBLE dISTRIBUTED aRCHITECTURE (veda) is proposed for very high availability and location freedom and absolute privacy. The proposed architecture A Unified Machine (AUM) architechture is proposed Overall architecture: The layered architecture is described below: The selection is based on ready availability of necessary hardware & Software. Many of the proposed channels are already functional and available under GNU GPL or other open source licence. Storage Pyramid: (all serving as network data reservoir) Registers (0) Cache (1) RAM (2) - Storage for programs RAM (3) - as a Cache for devices below HDD (4) Optical R/W & R/O disks(5) Magnetic tape (7) CPU/Kernel Pyramid (Only two states: Running and housekeeping) It is 128-bit word architecture out of which 120 bits for data and 8 bits for ECC. Error Checking and correction algorithm is based on a simple binary tree representation and a small recursive function which terminates when two immediate neighbours are found. Running implies that the CPU continuously switches between four states preemptively in real-time Run Level 0: (Kernel) (Ring 0) IPC Media : registers Line frequency synchroniser Premptive Task Switcher Memory Manager Device Drivers Heartbeat Generator/ Responder Network communicator local/remote real time calender (cosmological) Run Level 1: (Two Tasks only) IPC Media : Cache Memory Each task will listen and process from exactly one input channels and give output to exactly two channels. those two channels could be any. Virtual Machine 0 & 1 (Takes one input and gives two outputs - Local & network) Input Threads: (two only) Check & Listen to Local Input Device (core dump errors) Check & Listen to Network Input Devices (core dump errors) Process Threads (heartbeat core dumps to local storage) Take data from Input device (core,log dump after Checking) Prepare transfer of data (Presentation & core,log dump) Output Data to output devices (after Checking Tee to n/w and local storage) Output threads Check & Talk to Local Output Devices (core dump errors) Check & Talk to Network Output Devices (core dump errors) Run level 2 (Two Tasks Only - Graphics processing) IPC Media : RAM Typical tasks (high bandwidth requirement) Input = Images / Sound Process = Image/High bandwidth signals Output task = Display Update Run Level 3 (Two tasks only - Structured Text / Voice processing) IPC Media : RAM Typical Process (Voice processing, Structured Text processing) Input = Sound Device Processing = Uses ITRANS/ other algorithms Output = Sound Device Run level 4 (User Interface) Typical Applications: User authentication Configuration Selection IPC Media : HDD Input = Composite Processing = Transaction Output = Composite Run level 5 (long term processing - User Applications) IPC Media : Replicated file system Input : Messages from user in composite media Process : Composite processing using all lower run level facilities) Output : Messages to User in composite media Primitive Data types : Numbers: only whole numbers (unsigned 128 bit integer) 64613997892457936451903530140000000 = 2^119 1329227995784915872903807060280000000 = 2^120 (Max) no floating point representations no negative numbers representation in bare machine Zero represented by all zero bits Only closed infinity representation (all 1s) (affine or closure?) Text: Plain Ascii Graphic: For the simplicity sake of this architecture outline, A ring of primary colour Red Green Blue and White as four points are assumed. The ratio is somewhat similar to Television standards colour ratio for white and then twisting it a bit to suit to our prime requirement of simplicity and practicality Only Two colour spaces, RGBW and CMYB, are considered. Red, Green, Blue & White for display devices Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black for Print Devices The reason for adding white int RGB is for white temperature of 6500K. As the largest primitive definition (square limits are assumed as computationally it is easier on my brain): Raster: Each Pixel has 120 bits allocated for it for each colour. bit allocation for RGBW system are: 12 for Red 75 for Green 13 for Blue 20 for White 8 bits for ECC. (To be used as Data in Device Space) Vector: 57 bits : 19 per dimension (x,y,z) start point (524228 mm In device space) 57 bits : 19 for relative co-ordinates (x,y,z) from start point (all zero here can be treated as a point) 6 bitsRGB colour for each starting & ending points. 8 bits for ECC Black or Non existance is all zero which is anyway not needed. All 1s will indicate a white line from begin to end point (ECC excluded). White or Black component not needed in pure colour space as the temperature, as percieved, could be essentially noise caused due to superimposition of the various waves from the invisible electromagnetic spectrum. For clarity sake the data for coordinates may be represented by Pure 7-bit ASCII at a higher level as each point at the most may require 22 bytes. (7x3) + 1 for colour (known light speed 300,000,000,000 mm/s) (To be used as Address in the device space) ( Comment on Practical Dimensions: 524 meters in X Y and Z dimensions > 1/2 KM media? -- Devices are still not available! ) Graphic Primitive Processing: Processing is by reading the co-ordinate and doing a binary recursion as specified above for either vectorising or rasterising depending on the device. Start at device Origin, Recurse along the X axis, at the end of device limit, switch axis to Y and then in Z axis, Return to Origin. Graphic Computational speed & predictability: As the binary recursion algorithm has the known termination condition under all circumstances, it can be safely said that rendering for worst case of two adjecent pixels P0(0,0,0 - R1G1B1) and P1(0,0,1 - R2G2B2), only the end points needs to be taken and the maximum iterations will be 6 * 13 = 78 iterations. In the proposed architecture it will take 78 clock cycles to render one graphic primitive primitive. Worst case will be one bit change in each of the succesive pixel. Proof of Efficiency of algorithms are to mathematically proved. O(n) to be obtained mathematically. {-- Proof? who? me? No, Sorry! I am mathematically challenged :-) } Network Layers (OSI based - Total 7) Physical (7 total): (Criteria: Speedwise and vicinity wise decreasing order) CPU-Internal-Registers (CPU/memory Bus(0)), CPU-RAM / Display path (1), CPU-System Bus (Sound card video capture) (2), Disk bus : SCSI, fibre channel (3) Ethernet (4), IR/Wireless (5), Serial Port (6) (allows use of local phone lines for PPP) Network: Ring 0 = Register Ring 1 = Cache Ring 2 = RAM Ring 3 = RAM Ring 4 = HDD Transport: Presention Translation???? Application Scheduling algorithm. There are three states to this machine: 0. Running 1. Preparatory 2. Wait 3. Review 4. Reorder Priority 5. Cycle complete The time slice ratio for these recommended are 20, 75, 12, 13 (total 120) clock cycles respectively 0. Running In this state the process is actually run 1. Preparatory In this state the necessary resource allocations for running the process is prepared 1. Read the Process Table 2. allocate necessary resources 3. signal to run the process 2. Wait State This is the stage the machine execute the heartbeat function which consists of 1. read any error status from the heartbeat messages of other nodes 2. prepare the status report 3. write error / log messages in the respective locations 3. Review In this state, the messages after running of the process and the necessary steps for transmitting the messages to the next process are taken 4. Reorder states In this stage, the states of the two processes are altered (If the state of the process 0 is 0123 then 1032 and of the process 1 is 1032 change to 0123) 5. Cycle Complete state In this state the Necessary logging of Machine state and heartbeat, Cycle No Detail Stamping is to be taken care of (Fill details here) 6. State Increment State This is the crucial state where the promotion of state is done. 7. respawn state process with incremented states will launch itself ??? (Fill in properly) In between these state is the idle state. The suggested scheduling is sequence (In the Real time) 0-->1-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2-->2-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2; 1-->2-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3-->3-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3. (VM0) | v 4 | v 0-->1-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2-->2-->1-->0-->0-->1-->2; 1-->2-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3-->3-->2-->1-->1-->2-->3. (VM1) | v 5 | v 6 | v 7 (This is binary recursion with the termination condition that both the neighbours of the tree are found.) Directed graph representation of states (Root) (0) / \ (1) (2) \ (3) If the inversion of 0 & 1 states are not done the machine will enter a be running uncontrollably with the binary recursion algorithm that is used for task scheduling. The head-inversion causes two breaks. The task is deemed completed only after machine enters the Idle State. In fact this data structure and processing can be replicated in the upper rings which will result in predictable performance. Performence factors are to be worked out mathematically. Implementation, & Availability Issues ------------------------------------------------- the two Ring-1 tasks are two identical clustered virtual machines using MOSIX or any other similar Kernel pathces. The clustering of one box with another is thru SCSI or System bus. (so there can be a single box high performance Cluster). Fibre channel/100mbps n/w media is the second option. Each machine is identical to each other in function. they communicate using Registers as network media. The proposed machine's will a Replicated, jounalled, file system. Where two disks are available, RAID Technology should be used. There is only one login and two directories for each person. The network is Purely a private network (IP address Space) with network path to Internet wherever necessary. It is envisaged that, by carefully planning each node's IP address and their neighbours, We will never run out of Private IP Address. The only data flowing in this network (if all participating machines are according to this architecture) will be 7-bit ASCII text The the most secure network protocol with PGP signature is suggested for base configuration. The User Authentication / configuration management is to be managed with LDAP. This include machine specific optimised utilities for highest degree of interoperability. All the network listen channel should act as an input device (stdin). All the network talk channels should act as an output device (stdout). All the network error channels should act as on error device (stderr). Hardware: The machine should be able to use the following as the network media: Register, Cache, System Bus, SCSI, NIC, Serial port, Parallel port, Sound (can be picked up thru System Bus), Optical & Wireless The machine should be able to draw energy out of following sources: Electrical, optical, Solar, chemical, Sound (if possible) The network and energy source path can be the same. Each of the machine will have a compute node, storage node and varied network paths as described above. Each node participating in this computer will have exactly one path for talk and listen. It should be able to Talk/listen through any of external network port to any other machine. All the network node will have fixed addresses for each network port. The base machine itself will have One IP address Networking protocols supported will be TCP/IP. Optionally IPX/SPX and NCP may be supported. Network Environment As the Machine is always in listen mode for message and talks only when required, the network bandwith requirements are based on three parameters associated with the message processing: 1. Path 2. Quanta 3. Frequency The aim is to select path in such a way that the product of quanta and frequency, (which gives the total message size) is transmitted through the network physical layer within user-acceptable time frame. The most common information formats are (in decreasing order of bandwidth requierement): 1. Video 2. Sound 3. Structured Text 4. Cosidering the common applications a correspondance table can made as follows: Network environment supports System environment GNU/Linux is suggested for is immense scalability and flexibility and most importantly configurability and its case sensitivess to file names as it is the heart of ITRANS encoding scheme for system filenames. All the networking code should be optimised into kernel. This machine will have at the primitive instrauction which will emulate the processing as described above. The base software which is suggested EMACS in its various incarnations as the self recursive nature of self-insert-command is what makes it the most extensible software. CVS at a lower level will ensure automatic journalling of all changes: textual and binary It is proposed that this machine will use ITRANS envelope for self-insert-command. This will ensure that the machine will be able to translate Voice into ITRANS encoding. As Sanskrit is a phonetic language, and ITRANS a viable and very practical representation of phonetics, A user will just have to record the basic letters of sanskrit that will be stored for voice reproduction. The messages can then be displayed and user's interpretation of the message is recorded and stored as a parameter "mother toungue" of the user. This too can be embedded in kernel with a little bit of effort. ITRANS processing should also be part of kernel. This will reduce the bandwidth requirement for data as only encoded text is required to produce speech. (ITRANS processing does not require backstepping). The phonetic ITRANS atom is max. 3 characters. The Cosmological time recording system should be the base time machine for all time processing. Already Open Source libraries are available for this. (Solar, Lunar, Planetery positions, Phase of moon, galaxy coordinates etc.) conversion routines for various current time systems should be there. The name space (LDAP or PostgreSQL Implementation) Transaction Engine A Unit transaction is defined as recording of the changes related to an entity caused by an internal or external event reliably. The transaction model is essentialy an event driven model. A single table - Event log - is to be maintained which captures all the external and internal events Event Master table will enumerate all the possible events at the given level of operation. Name Master will enumerate all the possible names that can be encountered in the system. Each name will have backward and forward pointers. Backward pointers for Source of Name, Forward pointers for transformed entities. It will also have an alias property referring to its alias in the same table. Data model for transactions It essentially consists of two self referential entities. This model yields itself to self learning feature of EMACS which is intended as the primary front end. In a parametrised form, the data model can be viewed as given below (In Hierarchical Model -- Inverted Tree) An entity can be oen of the three types: Human or System or Physical Corresponding Human Entities are: Person / Organisation Unit / Organisation System Entities are (all are goals -- Desire): Functional / Organisational Unit / Organisation Functional Entities are: Person / Organisational Role / Processes Physical entity can be Person or Hardware or Message An entity is located at: Physical or Document or Network A message can be Requirement / Status / Event Messages in the Physical forms verbal / Internal / External (Images/Document) Requirement will arise through expression and when recognised, will go through following four states in the order specified on each event type as shown below: (C) (M) (T) Desire ---> Want ---> Need ---> Necessity Status state diagram will be the following (C) (M) (T) Initialisation ---> Running ---> Result ---> Logging Event State Diagram will be: Creation ---> Modification ---> Transformation ---> Wait ^ | | | +-------------------------------------------------+ A matrix of the above could be formed to obtain master table and transaction tables. It should be an orthogonal matrix to arrive at precise relations. at the lowest level,each Name has three properties: 1. Space Value 2. Money Value 3. Time Value Event Model A message triggers one or more or a combination thereof of the three events: 1. Creation 2. Modification 3. Transformation (into another name) The events Themselves are to be logged seperately in the audit trial table or event log table. These events causes insertion into the Transaction table with a time/location stamp. Any modification of any entity will cause also cause Transaction insertion. Transformation causes the change of name and an entry in the transaction table. After transformation the original entity ceases to exist for further transactions. Reports: Any kind of Report can be generated using a universal cross tabular reporting function from a normalised table of transaction. EMACS can be tweaked to be a report writer after EMACS isearch is modified with suitable atoms. (minimal effort..Lazy way out) In fact all the data may be stored in pure text as EMACS is Extremely good at handling pure text. Development tools: A suitable Development tool to define the Data model can be suitably designed for easy access of Data +++++++++++++++++++++++ REVIEW THOROUGHLY the following +++++++++++++++ (insert, update and delete thoughts only here) All the entities will have the followiong common attributes 1. Name 2. Location 3. Location timestamp 4. Type (Person) 5. Value Timestamp 6. Value (in Number) 7. Creation timestamp 8. Last Access begin timestamp 9. Last Access end timestamp 10. Last Modify begin timestamp 11. Last Modify end timestamp 12. Transformed to (target entity) 13. Transformation timestamp In the above scheme every entity has three phases: 1. Comes into existance at a given location at a given point of time with a given value at that point of time. 2. Its Value, location and other attributes may get modified over time which are recorded in the database 3. It finally gets transformed into another Name (after this go to step 1) A message is recorded along with every event that happens. A database of the following are to be available always: 1. Name of the entity 2. Value of the entity 3. Space of the entity (Add remaining database details here) A transaction engine which emulates the kernel in processing transaction. Transaction Engine will track Name, Message, Space, Value, state simultaneously and time / location stamp them. Each Transaction has four States: Initiation, Running, Sustanance and Perpetuality Each Message/Value transfer has Four State: Dire Needs, Actual, Key (for what???), Maintenence (of What?-- specify). Every transaction has four states at which money/material exchange occurs: 1. Initation 2. Actual 3. Result 4. Maintenance (Put a good deal of explanation text in here) ( a good begining would be a template in c++ taking a token of any data type as the argument, allocate memory and return a pointer to the that token. well I can't think further .... :-) int CreateData(<RetType> a) { <RetType> (typeof(a) malloc(NULL, a, sizeof(a)) } ...... or whatever... hope u get the point rather thatn syntax ) +++++++++++++++++++++++ END REVIEW THOROUGHLY ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hard copy printing Environment. It is envisaged that Four primary drivers must be made available: 0. Pure Text 1. Epson 9 and 24 Pin emulation 2. HP PCL Emulation 3. Postcript Language support Environment It is necessay that a minimum of following character sets 0. Plain ASCII character Set (7-bit) 1. Unicode 2. Devnagari (San98 TTF or Xdvng with suitably modified glyphs for ITRANS encoding) With glyphs in 0. GUI Mode 1. Character mode in either Hardware / Software form is made availble User environment ---------------- Each user will have exactly one login and one root directory. The owner of the directory decides the physical location of data The system will have on-demand appearence of file on invocation of a command (either timed or user decided) It is recommended that the user have two top level storage domains: Work (Organisation controlled access) Personal or Pleasure (User Controlled access) Rest all can be Organised below these two domains with relevent symlinks Application visibility is based on the User profile in the authentication System. This authentication System can then be suitably integrated with certification authority for B2B and other Internet based secure application requirements. A private port can be leased. The Machine fingerprint is stored in the LDAP. Based on the fingerprint the most suitable image from any of the nearby machine will be loaded. Training Isssues Primary user training will be on Touch Typing (gtypist) and EMACS in character mode. Only incremental training will then be required (Except for exceptional cases pointer device may not be required for most of the usual user activities under this architecture as mouse is deemed as a time waster / disruptive technology. Hence GUI Training takes a backseat.) Application training will be specific depending upon user profile. The user can use Character or Graphical Interface depending upon the available hardware at that point of time and machine The typical applications the Base users will need are: Document Processor (LaTeX) Text Processor (EMACS) Spreadsheet (SC or any better as required) Internet Browser (W3) E-mail (rmail of Emacs/mutt/pine) Printing to any printer from above application All the above application will be in character mode For slightly advanced users: All of the above in GUI and Character Mode. Bitmap Image Processor Vector Image Processor Presentation package Sound Recorder / Editor / Listner Video Recorder / Player For Developers: All the above and CVS Access All the necessary development tools For system end: LDAP (Authentication) PostreSQL or SAPdb (or similar RDBMS) for Data Storage (optional) A Transaction Engine A Time Engine A Logger Engine A Location Engine (with Lat/long/height & distance calculator) ---------- End Architecture definition ----------------- ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/

4 3

LUG Meet query
by Bilal Ahmed Mazhar 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hello All I became LUG member last year while searching linux article for my LAN setup. Even though I have been receiving messages everyday but don't read message deeply due to work load of migrating applications and other data to Linux platform. I am still on the way but at a glance today's article tells some kind of LUG meet. I don't know what is LUG meet? If its a meeting of mailing list members what is the aim and purpose of the meet? Is it chargeable? Kindly clear my queries. From: Bilal Ahmed Mazhar EDP Manager

2 1

rpc broadcast problem
by vipin Dravid 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

hi i am stuck here in a rpc broadcast(udp) problem...i am unable to send rpc reuest to other linux m/cs on LAN thru my prog using clnt_broadcast(), when checked externally thru rpcinfo , i am getting response from other unix m/cs (solaris , unixware) but no other linux box is responding .... if somebody can throw any light , pls help Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker

3 4

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Photos of Dec 2002 LUG Meet @ KReSIT
by Amish Mehta 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Also it will be nice if some1 can reduce size of pictures. My ISP charges me based on MB downloaded. I guess using compression-bit downsizing pictures can be reduced to 20-30k in size. Thanks. Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: >On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Chetan Vaity wrote: > >> >http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-meetings/Dec-2002/ > >Can someone send me a commentary for each of the pictures? I'll put it >up along with the pictures. It will be nice for those who couldn't >attend. > >-- >Lewis's Law of Travel: > The first piece of luggage out of the chute doesn't belong to anyone, > ever. > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problems with JDBC and Postgresql on Linux
by Amish Mehta 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Also, postmaster should be run with -i option. Or the better way is to set that option in 'postgresql.conf' located somewhere in /var/lib/pgsql/ Amish. Devdas Bhagat wrote: >On 10/12/02 02:31 +0530, Nikhil D. Kikkeri wrote: >> A connection error has occured: FATAL 1:No pg_hba.conf entry for >> host 127.0.0.1, user foo,database petshop >Make an entry in /var/lib/pgsql/data/pg_hba.conf >host petshop 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 crypt > >Devdas Bhagat > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > >

1 0

Problems with JDBC and Postgresql on Linux
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Hi, I am kind of new to using PostgreSQL.I wrote a program which establishes a simple connection to the database by passing in three parameters; the database , username and password. I have created a postgres user and a have assigned it a password by using the createuser script. however running the program throws some exception which is as follows A connection error has occured: FATAL 1:No pg_hba.conf entry for host 127.0.0.1, user foo,database petshop and the first line of the stacktrace goes something like this at org.postgresql.jdbc1.AbstractJdbc1Connection:openConnection(.... I am not trying to do anything fancy over here, so any method to make postgres and jdbc run is welcome.I use Mdk Linux 9.0 which i think comes with PostgresSQL 7.3. thanx Nikhil _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

2 1

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs.
by SoftHome 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, I tried using VMWare but it runs too slow on my machine. SM>From: "Shahed Moolji" <shahed(a)enoor.com> SM>To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> SM>Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs. SM>Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:11:45 -0600 SM>Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in SM>Hi, SM>I use vmware. Its commercial, and its probably not SM>quite the same as WINE , but it does allow me to SM>test network apps between linux SM>and windows, without having another SM>physical machine. SM>Regards SM>Shahed -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

1 0

Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach resort.
by Mitul Limbani 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

GNU/Linux Lunacy at Arnala Beach Resort. Coming December 22nd we plan to have a fun fill trip along with a lot of geek speakers and tons of linuxers participate wociferously in debates .... Lay back in the pool and bask in a shade of cocunt tree with a glass of ...... in ur hand at the arnala beach resort. Registrations close on December 10th, for registration go here. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/ For Queries contact : Mitul : 9820332422 Trevor : 9820349221 Dinesh : 9821311906 Cost for the same of Rs. 225/ inclusive of travel and food, to be sent to the address provide on the registration form. REGISTRATION WILL BE CONFIRMED ONLY AFTER RECIEVING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. Best Regards, Mitul Limbani CTO, Enterux Solutions (http://www.enterux.com/) P.S: The above details are as confirmed to me by Trevor

2 1

screen saver
by vipin Dravid 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

hi guys one trivial query, can i create and run my own screen saver ??? how to make a new screen saver work ??? i know KDE uses *.kss executables as screen saver, intead can i run a screen saver using xscreensaver ( a new one not system defaults) Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker

1 0

Running Windows Programs
by Girish Hanchate 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

You can use staroffice 6.0 also which is product of SUN to handle documents, Presentations & spreadsheets & it is very decent product. rgds girish Hi, KOffice, OpenOffice can handle your documents, presentations, spreadsheets etc as efficiently (rather more) than dear M$. Mozilla, Lynx, Konquerer ... etc are great for viewing websites. there are better mail clients so at the end of the day why do want to run M$ app from Linux when you have better alternatives. still if u want to use IE/ Office try using WINE - it does a decent job for lightweight M$ apps but u cant be sure as it is still in development. Regards Harsh R Busa _________________________________ BackendGuru Technologies http://www.BackendGuru.com info(a)BackendGuru.com Tel : 098206-93048 / 91-22-28985205 ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Running Windows Programs. > > Hello everyone, I am new to this group and this is my first mail. I > am also new to Linux and have a doubt. I want to run Internet > Explorer and Office or any other good Windows program in Linux. > Is there a way to do it? > > Thanking in advance. > > -- > Best regards, > Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1 0

[Commercial] Vidyakash 2002 - International Conference on Online learning
by Philip S Tellis 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Some of you may be aware of Vidyakash 2002, the rest of you can have a look at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash2002/ People interested can either register online, or download the registration forms and mail them in to us. We're offering a special discounted rate for students. Conference registration for just Rs.750/- Tutorial registration is Rs.500/- for a half day tutorial and Rs.800/- for a full day tutorial. Students will not receive a conference kit, but will receive everything else (like lunch, for example ;) Rates for others: Delegates from Non-profit / Educational Organisations Conference: Rs.1500, Tutorial: full day: Rs.1200, half day: Rs.800 Other Delegates Conference: Rs.2500, Tutorial: full day: Rs.2000, half day: Rs.1200 Register at http://www.ncst.ernet.in/vidyakash2002/ Mail vidyakash2002(a)ncst.ernet.in for more details. Phone: (022) 27565303/04/05 (Navi Mumbai) Philip

1 0

Using Dreamweaver with WINE
by Kapil Karekar 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hi Luggers, I tried using Dreamweaver with wine. However it is not working. Whenever I try to run any windows programs it throws up a kernel32.dll error. Does anybody know how to tackle this? The exact error message is given below: err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) KERNEL32.dll (which is needed by C:\windows\system\version.dll) not found err:win32:PE_LoadLibraryExA can't load C:\windows\system\version.dll err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\version.dll failed (error 14), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) VERSION.dll (which is needed by C:\Program Files\Macromedia\Dreamweaver 2\Dreamweaver.exe) not found I tried including the line "kernel32" = "builtin,native", the result was that I got the error given below: err:win32:do_relocations FATAL: Need to relocate C:\windows\system\kernel32.dll, but no relocation records present (stripped during link). Try to run that file directly ! err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\kernel32.dll failed (error 193), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) KERNEL32.dll (which is needed by C:\windows\system\version.dll) not found err:win32:PE_LoadLibraryExA can't load C:\windows\system\version.dll err:module:MODULE_LoadLibraryExA Loading of native DLL C:\windows\system\version.dll failed (error 14), check this file. err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) VERSION.dll (which is needed by C:\Program Files\Macromedia\Dreamweaver 2\Dreamweaver.exe) not found Thanks! Kapil Karekar

1 1

Running Windows Programs.
by SoftHome 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Hello GNU/Linux lovers, Hello everyone, I am new to this group and this is my first mail. I am also new to Linux and have a doubt. I want to run Internet Explorer and Office or any other good Windows program in Linux. Is there a way to do it? Thanking in advance. -- Best regards, Jayesh mailto:samantjayesh@softhome.net

5 4

Java Applets on Linux Netscape
by kshitijv 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi luggers, I Wanna know ways of detecting presence of java 2 plugin and its version before loading my applet. If user's browser does not conatin jva plugin he should be redirected to download it first. (applet should not load). How can I do this? One of my firends told me I can use Object tag for this. But in Netscape on Linux how can I do this? Thanks in advance. -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

1 0

problem with mounting of windows partition
by Pradnyesh Sawant 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hello, i currently have rhl 7.3 installed on my system. i added the foll line to "/etc/fstab" "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user 0 0" this change mounts the win partition in the partition in the directory /mnt/win with the permissions 755 & root as the owner so that no other user gets the write permission but i want to give write permission to my normal user account so i tried the foll line "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user,rw 0 0" but it does not work so i tried adding the foll line to "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" "chmod -R 777 /mnt/win" this only increased my boot up time, but did not solve the problem this way i have to log in as the root 2 do even small changes am facing a lot of problems this way plz help!! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

3 2

(commercail) linux hosting
by Harsh R Busa 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi all, I m in need of 5-10 blocks of 10mb each of Linux based webspace. Please contact me via email OFF THE LIST , quoting your price, site url, will be nice if i cud get demo of control panel. etc Regards Harsh R Busa

1 0

Wine, Dine and Network(tweak)ing
by Jeetu 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hey all, Am new to the list and relatively new to Linux in general, though have been using it as my primary OS for quite sometime now and luv it :) I'm using Debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.18 and my research interest is in the field of Natural Language Processing (NLP) - a subset of AI. I have my open source project called Mother (http://mother.sourceforge.net) Have a few queries and would really appreciate if I could get some help on them : a) Over a period of time have been trying to follow the Wine project and it's progress. I'm quite impressed by it. Recently I've been trying to install Office 97 on it using wine-20021125 and the installation fails after it searches for installed components. Any ideas on how to get it goin?....and I use OpenOffice and just wanna see if I can get this going to guage the progress of Wine (basically trying to see how long it'd be before I can run my VB based inventory software at work which is currently under development under Linux....then I can run Linux at work :) ). The Wine newsgroup doesn't seem to respond to this, however there are ppl who say Office 97 is running for them....if anyone here knows how then i'd appreciate. b) I have a Realtek 8139 based NIC and it runs great. I'm using the BSES Powersurfer Broadband service. I get speeds similar to those I get under Windows and was wondering if there's tweaking I can do that'd help improve that. My network interface comes up during bootup as set in half-duplex mode....is that due to the card? or due to the network?? basically can I set this to full duplex? or is there any other way to significantly improve speeds. c) The Konqueror file browser upon trying to unzip a .tar.gz file seems to do it very very slowly, for huge files, when compared to the tar utility. Is that a bug or is there something i should do to set it right? d) Anyone here knows of any project (or app) that aims to bring Voice Chatting abilities to MSN clones under Linux. I know the aboves quite a long list of questions.....thanks a lot in advance for all the help. Bye for now

3 2

Mailing list project.
by Amish Munshi 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

On Thursday 05 December 2002 10:18 am, bsf wrote: > hi all > > why not hack a working mailing list server ( say mailman ) to include this > functionality > by this we wdn't have to reinvent the wheel for actually building up a > mailing list prog .... > secoindly it could provide an option for traditional sending out emails > too ... for people who are behind a firewall and cannot pop access ... I am going to follow these basic rules. 1. Should use the same mailing list software and not try to reinvent the wheel by writing a new mailing list software. (This will include studying the present mailing lists softwares and their analysis) 2. Include POP as an option to it instead of forcing everyone to POP from the server. So POP will only be an feature and not a compulsion, list admins my diable this feature if required. 3. Support to reply to mails online - web based. (Online Yahoo groups or google groups for example). The interested programmers who have contacted me and I have managed to gather their info are: "Srinivasan. R" <cnu_28 {at} yahoo.com> "Aliasgar Dahodwala" <rock_ali {at} indiatimes.com> If anyone else interested (or I have missed theie name) then please get in touch with me at amish {at} munshi.dyndns.org. Documentation also has to be written so anyone keen on doing that part can also > > thirdly ... the time to the finished product wd be greatly reduced ... The software that is popular need not be better. The software that is better need not be popular. It is a matter of choice what you prefer, better or popular. Linux/GNU gives you choice and also is the best software today in the market, ever guessed how much does it cost? Amish K. Munshi. (IT Engg.) Registered Linux user 282018 at http://counter.li.org Homepage http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish Email address amish {at} munshi.dyndns.org ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

2 1

LUG meet
by Kamlesh Shah 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi... all I may join you at the meet.. Regards Kamlesh Shah

2 1

MBR / Partition table woes
by Chetan Vaity 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Has anyone recoverd a partion table with a tool called "gpart". This tool scans the entire disk block by block looking for partition begin patterns. The guesses can then be used to recreate the partition table by hand. A friend of mine wanted to reinstall Win2000 on a dual boot machine. The (fateful) sequence of events: --------------------------------- 1. I copied the first sector of /dev/hda to a file /root/MBR.grub using dd. 2. Booted from the Win2K CDROM and installed Win2K. 3. Try booting. No grub. Directly goes on and boots Windows. 4. Booted from RedHat 7.3 CDROM, entered rescue mode. It recognised the existing linux partitions. Copied the first sector of /dev/hda to /root/MBR.win, again using dd. Then copied the /root/MBR.grub to /dev/hda. 5. Try booting. Grub appears. Enter Linux choice - boots Linux properly. But when Windows is selected in grub, it pops up Grub again. 6. Again booted using RedHat CDROM. Copied /root/MBR.win to /dev/hda. 7. Try booting. Nothing. Just a blank screen. No error messages. 8. Panic. 9. Try booting using RedHat CDROM. Now it doesn't find any Linux partitions. Only raw device /dev/hda available. 10. Panic! 11. Compile "gpart" on another machine and transferred it to this m/c using a floppy. (in Linux rescue mode). Started gpart. I will try and get the output of gpart and post it here. Any help, advice will be appreciated. - Chetan

1 0

Removing prefix from subject
by Gautam Mani 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi all, I have been using Linux for more than 3 years now, and joined this mailing list around 2 weeks back. I have a small suggestion. Can we remove the [ILUG-BOM] prefix in the subject of all mails in the list as it reduces readability in the index of messages. Is there any specific reason why it exists? It would be cool if someone could point that out. To make my point clear, checkout the two screenshots of my mailer (taken on ilug-bom and the mutt-users mailing list) 1. ilug-bom linuxers: http://www.execve.net/showcase/ilug-bom.png 2. mutt-users: http://www.execve.net/showcase/mutt-users.png As you all can clearly see, it not only reduces readability, but also hurts the eyes (as a matter of speaking). Thoughts/Comments? Cheers, Gautam -- Gautam Mani <execve_at_execve_dot_net> Don't be a slave! Use the Door -- use Linux. Secure-Key: [ A7E6 795F AF8D 91AF 1D5E 3CC5 7847 7DCC 7586 EF34 ]

2 3

Linux Localization Professionals
by Satish Mohan 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi, We at Red Hat are on the localization project for Indian languages for Linux. Though a lot of work has been done by various bodies the same needs to be coordinated and channelized.we are putting in place a team towards that. We are looking for experienced linux programmers with background on fonts and keyboard maps development (preferably). Kindly contact me off list regards satish -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Satish Mohan Tel : +91-22-2853452 - - Enterprise Consultant Mob : +91-98210-57213 - - Red Hat India (www.in.redhat.com) Fax : +91-22-2845343 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

2 1

User wise Disk Usage across the entire Hard drive
by Asif Shaikh 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

Hi, We've ported our file server to RedHat 7.3 now being used as a domain controller on my office LAN. I need to get a report of user wise disk usage in the entire Hard Drive, not only in the users home folders. Is there any command/monitoring tool that can help me get this info? Rgds, Asif

2 1

Article:A Beginner's guide to Linux
by Hanisha Vaswani 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

hi, came across an interesting article on NY Times which deals with common Linux queries. It is a real eye-opener... sort of 'how the rest of the world STILL feels abt. Linux'. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/05/technology/circuits/05POGUE-EMAIL.html?8c… the site requires you to be registered (which is Free) to view the article. hanisha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

3 2

Regd. NYT article
by Hanisha Vaswani 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

have created a userid on NY Times for anyone interested in reading the Linux article mentioned in my previous mail. UId: ilug_bom Passwd: bombay best, hanisha __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1 0

Parsing with Perl
by DalelAmari＠aol.com 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

My name is Dalel. I have 441 emails in txt format. how can I process them in perl and then put the content in mysql database. In mysql databse, I need to have the following fields: date subject from to cc text (body) Thank you Dalel

2 1

Re: [ILUG-BOM] meeting in KReSIT on 8th
by sameer shinde 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

4 3

linux lunacy.... whats up??
by Gurpreet Singh 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

hi guys there's no talk abt linux lunacy these days up here.... is it still a plan, or has it been scrapped??? i wish not! What all talks are gonna be included? plz keep us updated fellows. regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fwd: Agenda for the LUG meet
by Ashish Kulkarni 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

> > >I would like to have an arrangement where we can show the installation of >Debian or gentoo (if time permits), and a lecture on using emacs. Anyone who >can do this? > > > gentoo? do you have Gentoo 1.4 and some basic apps downloaded? then I'd like to buy, borrow, or steal those CDs when we meet :-) Regards, - A.

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Ashish Kulkarni 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

> [storing mail on the mailing list server, retrieval by POP3, instead > of sending it out via SMTP as god intended] > > You do realise that you're re-inventing Usenet? hmm, I know it does sound similiar to newsgroups (aside from the protocol: NNTP vs POP3) but the key difference is that only people on the list can send mail (which I think is the default) against everyone allowed or moderation by one or more persons on newsgroups. What I really think this idea is useful for is to use an existing mailing list software eg. Mailman, and to modify an exisiting option on it: (disable delivery :: on/off) to something like (Mail Delivery:: On/POP3/Off). So those who want can still get SMTP messages, those who don't want can disable mails totally. The killer app is when you are away for a time, and turn POP3 on for the duration. When you get back, just download the messages for the duration from POP3; this means your real mailbox is never full or don't receive soemthing like 200 messages which is quite possible ;-) And if you disable you cannot get them at all, and have to browse from the web or something. so best of both worlds :-) I'd like to help for this idea, but as I suspect Mailman is in Python it'll take a bit of time to get used to it and I'll do it after my exams, something like after Jan 15. imho there is no point in writing something new, it may not be as well tested or known, just modify some already existing and working software (Mailman) to do what we need :-) Regards, - A. ---------------------------------------------------- There is no stability in life, but only opportunity.

4 3

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Aliasgar Dahodwala 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

hi, i am interested in your project... please get in touch with me on rock_ali(a)yahoo.com bye Ali <final year comp eng student> linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote: Hello all, This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can get comments on this idea. I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope that some of you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people to participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in any programming languages, however I would like if you understand programming atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this will be C++, or JAVA. The project goes like this. Today mailing lists function this way. A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to send the mail to everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the mailing lists servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or thousands of mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times the deleivary is not completed in the first attempt as well. There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop account on this very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a good solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a message need to me maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the server will rise exponentially. The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server maintains a index of all the available messages it has received right from the time the server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve mails then he can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP client and the server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will not have a normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the mailing list software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the mailing list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. In this index there will be account of the messages that the member has not yet received, only those messges will be given to him as new messages. Get in touch with me using the mailning lists, since it is a good way to communicate for some new ideas like this one. Thanks for your interest. Bye. Amish K. Munshi http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish ICQ 85730949 _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents "Valufon", Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW.

1 0

Extracting data from a .GDB file
by Kapil Karekar 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Hi Luggers...:-)) I have a .GDB file containing some data. I want to extract that data to a MySQL database or to a flat file. I have never worked with a .GDB file. Some amount of googlizing had led me to believe that .GDB extension is used by Interbase for its database files. How do I get the data out of that GDB file? I don't have Interbase installed on my Linux m/c. Can I still access the data in the file? Regards Kapil Karekar ---------------------------------------- Let's build a Free Software Economy ----------------------------------------

2 1

TIS firewall toolkit problem
by kishor bhagwat 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

hello guys, i have installed TIS fwtk 2.1 on my redhat6.2 kernle 2.2.19 box i have configured the plug-gw in the netperm-table as plug-gw: port pop3 * -plug-to 10.1.201.1 -port pop3 this is basically to allow access from all IP addresses my DNS is configured properly however for each and every request access is denied Dec 5 10:10:25 cache plug-gw[11638]: nbm_core_fullmesh/210.140.153.131 host nam e lookup failed Dec 5 10:10:25 cache plug-gw[11638]: deny host=unknown/210.140.153.131 service= pop3 (dummy ip given here;-) hwowver the ip address is perfectly reverse resolvable in the DNS yet im getting access denied errors the connection is dropped after the initail TCP handshake any ideas regds, Kishor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Gurpreet Singh 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 Amish Munshi wrote : >Hello all, > > This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can >get comments >on this idea. > > I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope >that some of >you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. > This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people >to >participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in >any >programming languages, however I would like if you understand >programming >atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this >will be C++, >or JAVA. > The project goes like this. > >Today mailing lists function this way. > >A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to >send the mail to >everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the >mailing lists >servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or >thousands of >mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times >the deleivary >is not completed in the first attempt as well. > >There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop >account on this >very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a >good >solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a >message need to me >maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the >server will >rise exponentially. > >The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server >maintains a >index of all the available messages it has received right from >the time the >server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve >mails then he >can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP >client and the >server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will >not have a >normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the >mailing list >software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the >mailing >list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. >In this >index there will be account of the messages that the member has >not yet >received, only those messges will be given to him as new >messages. [snip] doubts -------- 1.still the server has to maintain all the mails, as it has to make archives, that anyways takes up memory?? 2. while maintaining the index no, after sometime this number will scale upto high values and keep growing. after certian amnt of time, the inbuilt datastructures will not be able to hold the no. and thus we will have to store it in a userdefined structure like an array or a linked list... thats it. although i wont be able work on this project now as i am doing one already! but i can provide help in designing the data structure for the index as am working on something like that... regards Gurpreet Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

3 2

Any one interested in doing Mailing list project.
by Amish Munshi 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Hello all, This mai is for the PRC, I am posting it to ILUG so that I can get comments on this idea. I would like being a mentor/guide for this idea of mine, I hope that some of you do really like to impliment this and get in touch with me. This is a pretty big project and will require atleast 4 people to participate, I will manage even if there is no prior experince in any programming languages, however I would like if you understand programming atleast. The preffered language for the implimentation of this will be C++, or JAVA. The project goes like this. Today mailing lists function this way. A mail is sent to mailing list server and the server tries to send the mail to everyone who has subscribed, this is a very big overhead on the mailing lists servers since for each received mail, it has to send hundreds or thousands of mails all across the globe on the internet, ofcourse many times the deleivary is not completed in the first attempt as well. There is a very obvious solution to this, is provide a pop account on this very same mailing list server for each member, this is although a good solution is not very practical since multiple copies of a message need to me maintained, one for each member and the memory required on the server will rise exponentially. The solution that I have though is, the mailing list server maintains a index of all the available messages it has received right from the time the server started functioning, whenever a member wants to receve mails then he can connect to the mailing list server using his normal POP client and the server will respond back using the POP protocol. The server will not have a normal POP server running but will actually be a part of the mailing list software that can provide virtual POP, now for each member of the mailing list there will be a index maintained by the mailing list server. In this index there will be account of the messages that the member has not yet received, only those messges will be given to him as new messages. Get in touch with me using the mailning lists, since it is a good way to communicate for some new ideas like this one. Thanks for your interest. Bye. Amish K. Munshi http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish ICQ 85730949

1 0

TCP/IP stack info reqd
by Pradnyesh Sawant 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Hello, plz help me with the TCP/IP stack as implemented on a linux box my be project requires it u cud send me links where i cud get info on the reqd topic THANX! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

5 4

relay deny to authenticated users
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Hi, I just realized that uu.net (appear so me to be an ISP) has many spamers are their clients. I am wondering what is the solution to this. If a spammer will signup for a account from uu.net then he can authenticate himself and send spams to many people. How can uu.net stop this? It appears to me that uu.net is listed as a spaming domain (sorry for this slang language but I do not have the proper term for this) and mails from this domain are not accepted if we disable the mail delivery from blacklisted domains. How can I as a sysadmin make sure that uu.net spams are not welcomed but genuine users from uu.net are no problems. Thanks in advance. Bye.

8 9

linux cross reference
by Kiran Nadgir 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

good site for browsing the code... http://lxr.linux.no ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

1 0

[OT] Availability of OpenBSD CDs / ISOs ??
by Vishal Belsare 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Can anyone tell me where I can procure OpenBSD CDs for i386 ? I have checked on linuxplaza.org, they've FreeBSD on offer. Or if anyone has OpenBSD CD's for i386 which they could lend? V i s h a l . ____________________________________ He is subtle, but not malicious. ~ Albert Einstein.

2 1

purging the archives of "privileged and confidential" messages
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Here's an example: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20021125/007744.ht… ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Obviously we are disclosing, copying and distritbuting this message by storing it in our publicly accessible web archive. Shouldn't we be removing all such messages? Not to mention the fact that the message was meant for "a specific individual" ... we are anything but that :-) Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do.

2 2

Re: [ILUG-BOM] When is this months LUG meet
by sameer shinde 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

1 0

[OT] Indiatimes Article "Windows servers cheaper ... "
by Nikhil Kale 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Check out this article: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=3012… Whats the catch?? Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

4 4

[OT] We have the way out????
by Nikhil Kale 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Somebody ought to do something about this: http://wehavethewayout.com/ Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

4 4

Agenda for the LUG meet
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Hi Amish ! Could you send me the agenda for the LUG meet. I can then put it up on the ILUG-BOM site. Cheers Kapil Karekar

1 0

Poll for location
by Amish K. Munshi 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Hi, I have created a poll for the preffered location of meetings. Please visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/polls/ and post your poll. Thanks. Bye.

7 11

Wine,Dine and Network(tweak)ing
by Jeetu 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Hey all, Am new to the list and relatively new to Linux in general, though have been using it as my primary OS for quite sometime now and luv it :) I'm using Debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.18 and my research interest is in the field of Natural Language Processing (NLP) - a subset of AI. I have my open source project called Mother (http://mother.sourceforge.net) Have a few queries and would really appreciate if I could get some help on them : a) Over a period of time have been trying to follow the Wine project and it's progress. I'm quite impressed by it. Recently I've been trying to install Office 97 on it using wine-20021125 and the installation fails after it searches for installed components. Any ideas on how to get it goin?....and I use OpenOffice and just wanna see if I can get this going to guage the progress of Wine (basically trying to see how long it'd be before I can run my VB based inventory software at work which is currently under development under Linux....then I can run Linux at work :) ). The Wine newsgroup doesn't seem to respond to this, however there are ppl who say Office 97 is running for them....if anyone here knows how then i'd appreciate. b) I have a Realtek 8139 based NIC and it runs great. I'm using the BSES Powersurfer Broadband service. I get speeds similar to those I get under Windows and was wondering if there's tweaking I can do that'd help improve that. My network interface comes up during bootup as set in half-duplex mode....is that due to the card? or due to the network?? basically can I set this to full duplex? or is there any other way to significantly improve speeds. c) The Konqueror file browser upon trying to unzip a .tar.gz file seems to do it very very slowly, for huge files, when compared to the tar utility. Is that a bug or is there something i should do to set it right? d) Anyone here knows of any project (or app) that aims to bring Voice Chatting abilities to MSN clones under Linux. I know the aboves quite a long list of questions.....thanks a lot in advance for all the help. Bye for now

3 2

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] how bout a free os anthem??
by Gurpreet Singh 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On 1 Dec 2002, Gurpreet Singh wrote: > > > how bout an anthem for the movement?? > >http://geektones.com/gm/tm/alt_bluescreen.htm [snip] oh plz dear! we have to be "pro linux" i think we are concentrating more on being "anti M$"... i wanted to say this all the while, but did'nt. ppl, why do have to be soooooooooo anti M$. lets leave them alone. we have a betta thing with us, lets be more of "pro linux" regards gurpreet > >-- >You need more time; and you probably always will. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

2 1

SUID, c shell script
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Hello all, Approx a week back I got the info that I need to use a C program to execute a command a root for web scripts (PHP). I have given that a try, I created a addnewhost.cpp : #include <stdlib.h> int main() { system("/usr/sbin/useradd newusernewuser"); return 0; } Compiled, linked and suid it as (Did this as root) g++ -c addnewhost.cpp g++ -o addnewhost.bin addnewhost.o chown root.root addnewhost.bin chmod 4755 addnewhost.bin But when I try to run the addnewhost.bin as a normal user it says useradd: unable to lock password file But runs fine as root. Any clues where should I go next. All I need to do is execute some command as a superuser but from a PHP page. Thanks in advance. Bye.

2 2

Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software license tied to human rights
by Kiran Nadgir 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

> Message: 8 > From: Bhargav Bhatt <bhargav.bhatt(a)columbia.edu> > Organization: Columbia University > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Group urges limits on open source > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:17:31 -0500 > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Kiran Nadgir wrote: > > <nothing new> ---8<--- Yes yes nothing new.....nice to know that luggers are more interested in showing off their intelligence (egos actually) on the way msgs are posted rather than on the msg. Which gets me to ask myself a question....do these great intelligent people really care about GNU/Linux and this mailing list or do they care more about showing off their egos here. Yes i could've posted a link to the article instead of cutting and pasting the whole thing. BUT i pasted it because last time i had posted some link i had got a reply that the site required a passwd etc. So just to make sure no one faces any problems i pasted the WHOLE article. This takes me to another topic, Major problems in the world exist because people don't percieve things in the same way. Everyone has their own point of view about things. Even i have one but most of the times i don't let my EGO blurr the actual view. So yes i agree that i have posted mails with an unacceptable "signal to noise ratio" and i have changed that. But sometimes rather than following the HERD and coming up with such comments on someone you should try and think about all the possible reasons for a person to do something. And in this case i don't think i have done anything wrong . But as they say advice is something the wise don't give and the fools don't take ( i know people will reply to this specific statement of mine (thats my perception :) ) Yes i have realized that my mail signatures were unncessarily HUGE and have reduced it. But if someone still wants me to teach netiqutte this is what i would have to say to that person. @#!@#!#! > Kiran, > =09Whats the point of just copying and pasting from websites and filling=20 > up our mailboxes? You would be far better off providing a short=20 > paragraph and a URL for the article.=20 ---8<--- Yes my dear friend i could've been better off..but i did this with a reason. and i really don't care what you have to say. > =09Also, by not making a mention of your source, you are violating the=20 > copyright rights of cnet.com. Quoting their website, "Re-use of any of=20 > CNET's editorial content and graphics online for any purpose is=20 > strictly prohibited. The materials from CNET's sites are available for=20 > informational and noncommercial uses offline only, provided the content=20 > and/or graphics are not modified in any way, all copyright and other=20 > notices on any copy are retained, and permission is granted by CNET.".=20 > =09Please don't provide illegal(assumiing you have not obtained explicit=20 > permission from the source) documents on the mailing list and make us a=20 > part of the *crime*. > =09Also, the disclaimer attached to the email states that "This message=20 > (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended=20 > for a specific individual and purpose". Does that not make your email=20 > totally useless for any mailing list with more than one member. It=20 > means that this email was meant only for the person who uses the=20 > address linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in, and that all the rest of us=20 > getting this message should "delete this message". Also the disclaimer=20 > makes linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in, or whoever the list admin is, a=20 > criminal because the disclaimer also states that "copying, or=20 > distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it,=20 > is strictly prohibited." ----8<---- <NOTHING NEW> I have already mentioned about this one my dear friend. If you don't want me on the list u can unsubscribe me anytime ......I am using my corp id because its convinient AND AGAIN FOR YOUR CONVINIENCE....THE GUIDELINES OF THIS LIST DON'T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT DISCLAIMERS. SO either make sure the guidelines are changed or just stop displaying your intelligence on this topic. > > For those who want to read the article in its original form, its=20 > available at the following link > > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-975578.html?tag=3Dfd_top > -----8<---- Thanks for the link ....:) that was nice. > Bhargav Bhatt, > Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, > Columbia University. > -- > "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous. > > > --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:36:25 -0800 (PST) From: kishor bhagwat <aaaaarrrgghhh(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software license tied to human rights To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > --- Kiran Nadgir <kirann(a)mahindrabt.com> > wrote:(nah..pasted) ---8<--- yes yes i pasted is that such a BIG problem ??? > err..some ppl have already gently suggested some good > things abt ur postings and mail sigs etc.. -----8<---- so whas u gonna try next my dear friend ??? I have a suggestion for LUG. The homepage should say. Welcome to GNU/LUG EGOISTS Users Group of Mumbai! because thats what is going on in this list most of the times....everyone has such a big EGO...cant u ppl for once let things be and just FOCUS on the message rather than the sender of the message. There are a lot of constructive stuff to be done rather than this EGO trips that keep happening. What are you guys trying to prove to each other. This mailing list is like the GOVERNMENT OF INDIA....most of the times rather than FOCUSSING on the issue...the FOCUS is on who created the issue...how dare he create the issue...why didnt he do it this way..this is how its to be done.....O CMONN...gimme a break....come out of this if u really want to do something for GNU/LINUX....don't worry so much about showing off ur intelligence through comments on how ppl are doing things......i believe all u ppl must be great techies..and thats what u shud be doing....focussing on what u r supposed to do.... and if anyone else has any problems with me cut pasting stuff or my mails...i'd want to be unsubsribed from this list. Thanks for teaching me a few things on netiqutte...but i guess a lot of people here have a lot to learn.... What they need to learn is understood i hope.... > what kinda ppl are MBT hiring nowadays? -----8<--- Atleast not the stupid kind like you. And listen kishor...u better not get personal on this one.....Is this what the entire LUG is all about... MUD slinging matches.....welll .....i hope u never have a Linux-Bombay...with such people....because it'll be more of an EGO Flashing trip than anything else.....I thought the lug had people who were above average in intelligence..but what i see is bunch of kiddos..fighting with each other. I hope this changes someday....And as for u kishor....u sound like u r constipated with that id of urs.....why dont u try some Isabgol... :) > > regds, > aaaaarrrgghhh > -----8<---- Freedom - Hehhehehehheehee. > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > End of Linuxers Digest > ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

11 20

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] is India IT Club Newsletter useful for us?
by Gurpreet Singh 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 Philip S Tellis wrote : >On 30 Nov 2002, Gurpreet Singh wrote: > > > http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc >cud > >Word Doc??!! Why? Aren't there any _better_ alternatives? [snip] the person who compils this uses windows. i cant help that... gurpreet > >-- >The last thing one knows in constructing a work is what to put >first. > -- Blaise Pascal > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

1 0

[OT] Athlon Omlette Sandwich Recipe ???
by vinayak_hegde＠softhome.net 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Hello Luggers, I just couldn't resist sending this on the mailing list. The story of the man who fried an egg on a Athlon 1500+. I am not joking. It is complete with pictures and with Athlon Omlette Sandwich Recipe ;) here's the link http://www.handyscripts.co.uk/egg.asp ************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu **************

3 3

Re:[ILUG-BOM] how bout a free os anthem??
by Sankha Subhra Som 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

>dont know if u've heard this, but its by metallica >its called "Nothing Else Matters" [snip] Yep its a mesmerising number, but dunno how pleased Metallica is going to be wen they hear bout your plan grande. Remember wat happened to Napster. Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

1 0

meeting in KReSIT on 8th
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Hi all, We can have a LUG meet at KReSIT, IIT Bombay on the 8th of Dec if all are interested. We have a choice between a classroom that can seat 50 people and the audi that can seat 200. I have temporarily booked both. Gods of the list, please confirm the meet, so that I can also announce on the IITB newsgroups. Is Sunday 4pm fine? Can't expect too many people from IIT, since most have left for home for the winter vacation. Jaju and Chetan please note, I won't be present on 8th. We need to ensure ITA takes care of the tea arrangements. I'll also try to see if I can get more details about the new "Affordable Computing Lab" that Prof. Phatak is planning in the dept. Agenda for the meet? Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old.

5 4

PPTP on Linux
by Girish Hanchate 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Dear Devendra, Go to http://www.poptop.org & download the 1.01 version of PPTP.tar.gz file. rgds girish Hi I have been trying to make my Linux kernel MPPE and PPTP aware. Tried downloading the i386.rpms (for pptp and mppe) from pptpclient.sourceforge.net and proceeded as per the James Cameron's howto (for Psyche - RH 8.0). http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-redhat-80.phtml But, after proceeding through the entire cycle of rebuilding kernel modules et al, I still get a message (from pptp-command) that kernel is not supporting pptp. a) pppd daemon does not start...same excuse. Kernel release version 2.4.18-14 b) On further investigation (modprobe -v pptp or mppe); it shows up an error in a file called ppp_generic.o saying 'uresolved symbol' at various lines of code. c) # kernel-modules/kmodinst.sh kernel-modules/new-2.4.18-14/ When i perform this action ...module dependencies command returns some errors. Has anyone had any success in the same? Pls help...as I need to connect to my Cable ISP's VPN box (thru ethernet) to access email. Regards Deven PS - __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1 0

is India IT Club Newsletter useful for us?
by Gurpreet Singh 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

hi ppl i intended to start a discussion on whether posting on the newsletter at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc cud be useful for us?? plz go thru it ppl and give ur views..... regards Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

4 3

how bout a free os anthem??
by Gurpreet Singh 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

hi fellas i was just thinking... how bout an anthem for the movement?? i think this one wud be gud. dont know if u've heard this, but its by metallica its called "Nothing Else Matters" and it goes... So close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters never opened myself this way [opening us to free os] life is ours, we live it our way [life is our n we have have ourchoice] all these words I don't just say [we just dont say, we do] and nothing else matters trust I seek and I find in you [we find trust in free os] every day for us something new [we have somethin new every day:)] open mind for a different view [ya ours is a diff view] and nothing else matters never cared for what they do [dont care for criticism] never cared for what they know ['coz we know more] but I know so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters never cared for what they do never cared for what they know but I know never opened myself this way [free os was an eyeopener] life is ours, we live it our way all these words I don't just say trust I seek and I find in you every day for us something new open mind for a different view and nothing else matters never cared for what they say never cared for games they play [they call it business policies] never cared for what they do [$100 million?? ] never cared for what they know and I know so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are no nothing else matters ---------------------------------------- now how was that?? not written with free os in mind but still quite a match, it has the spirit. try n listen to it once, even the music has that feeling of freedom. may be we can play this at linux lunacy?? what say trevor?? comments pls... regards gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

3 2

[OT] Jumping Ships?
by Amol Hatwar 01 Dec '02

01 Dec '02

A top European Commission official has left to join the Microsoft Corp, just weeks before he was due to give his opinion on the European antitrust lawsuit against the company. Get the details here: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/bizfocus/archives/2002/12/01/185518

1 0

Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to install a distro from the hard-disk
by sameer shinde 01 Dec '02

01 Dec '02

3 2

Redhat 8 CD's
by John Clegg 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hi I was wondering if you can tell me if there is anyone selling Redhat 8 installation CD's here in mumbai Thanks John Clegg Chief Technology Officier Baazee.com http://www.baazee.com <http://www.baazee.com/>

8 13

Re: Commercial ILUG...
by Natarajan V 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hi, Sorry for the late reply, i was not available to read my mails and answer them over the week. Well, I think I sparked off an unnecessary argument over "Commercialisation". Am with Trover. Generally LUGs are supposed be there, so that we can SHARE knowldge. What I meant by Commercial interests in some LUGs is that, some of them are promoted and funded/aided by commercial organizations, with an optional internal MOTO. This is what I meant by "commercial LUG", and not charging for help mails.. Hey come on... even M$ gives FREE help over newsgroups...!!!!! (surprising, but it does give, SOMETIMES). Of course, if any one wants to go in person and help them, or have their own interests, in answering a question, they can do it in a commercial way..... Cheers Natarajan ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/

2 1

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] is India IT Club Newsletter useful for us?
by Gurpreet Singh 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 Vinayak Hegde wrote : >Gurpreet Singh wrote: > >>hi ppl >>i intended to start a discussion on whether posting on the >>newsletter at >>http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc cud >>be useful for us?? plz go thru it ppl and give ur views..... > >I did go through the article and it may be a good vehicle to >propagate the Free S/W philosophy. >Let me know if you need someone to write a article. I will >happily volunteer to do so. [snip] thats gr8... >Because awareness is the key in this campaign, we should make use >of whatever resources are available. [snip] anymore ppl who wud like to spread some awareness thru?? gurpreet > >--> Vinayak Hegde > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

1 0

Government of India endorses and sponsors Linux Bangalore/2002
by Vinayak Hegde 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hello Luggers, At last better sense prevails after BGs visit. Here's the link to the whole article. http://lwn.net/Articles/16808/ Also This makes good reading. has a RobinHood kinda feel to it. http://atulchitnis.net/writings/rising-1.php :-) ciao Vinayak Hegde

1 0

TCP/IP stack tuning
by kishor bhagwat 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi folks, can someone give/point some tips for tuning the tcp/ip stack on a linux box for handling really large number of connections...? how would this tuning be different from tuning for fast routing? disclaimers: 1) i'm searching myself on the net and i hve a few ideas...just want to know if someone here has done something like this and what is their experience. 2) i'm not looking for commercial support regds, kishor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

2 1

How to install a distro from the hard-disk
by ether＠indbazaar.com 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hello! I have an iso image of installable linux on my hard-disk. No CD. Any idea how to use this image? As in, how to install linux from the hard-disk? Thanks a ton for helping. :) Regards, -shruti _____________________________________________________________________________ If you don't have an account at http://myspace.indbazaar.com , you're missing out on split-second e-mail, 25 MB net space and lots of other goodies...

2 1

Need gurus to guide youngsters in GNU/Linux projects
by Frederick Noronha 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

This is Trevor Warren's baby... and I'm trying to help. The Project Resource Centre mailing list is trying to help students in finding suitable GNU/Linux projects. Could you spare some time in acting as a guru/mentor for these young minds? Someone said: "The grand essentials of happiness are: some thing to do, something to love and something to hope for..." There's a bit of all three in the above idea. Let's take it further. Please see http://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/prc Do sign up there. FN -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.2409490/2409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com fred at bytesforall dot org * Mobile 9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference ... on what makes *the* difference Pascal - A programming language named after a man who would turn over in his grave if he knew about it.

3 2

mailing list policies
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Quoting from the welcome message that *every* new member on this list receives. And yes, these guidelines are really, really old and have been around since the LUG was started. Please adhere to them; I would like to request the admin to use the 15th point. This should settle all the recent crappy mails once and for all. Now I wonder how many people actually read guidelines. Peronal opinions ... bah! Sameer. ILUG-Bom Mailing List participation Guidelines ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2. When quoting another person, edit out whatever isn't directly applicable to your reply. Don't let your mailing software automatically quote the entire body of messages you are replying to when it's not necessary. Take the time to edit any quotations down to the minimum necessary to provide context for your reply. Nobody likes reading a long message in quotes for the third or fourth time, only to be followed by a one line response: "Yeah, me too." Messages larger than 10k will not be posted immediately. Such messages will need the list admins approval. 5. Limit line length to approximately 65-70 characters and avoid control characters. 11. Please provide URL's to articles wherever possible. Avoid cutting and pasting whole articles especially considering the fact that all may not be interested. In any case your posting maynot be more than 10k. Occassionally if you may have to send such a mail, post it, it will reach the members after the list admin approves it. 15. Any violation to the above will be given a warning. 5 such warnings and the subscriber will be suspended from the mailing list for 15 days. Compiled by - G.Sagar. (with a few additions by Nagarjuna G. and Sandesh Rao)

2 1

[OT] Can Indians learn ??
by Tushar Mavani 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi ppl, this guys still do linux ..... _______________________________________________ Burkina Faso LUG up and running The West African nation of Burkina Faso now has its first Linux User Group, despite being one of the poorest countries on Earth. The Association Burkinabe Utilisateurs des Logiciels Libres has 50 members, trained by local Linux gurus. Next time you are tempted to moan about the poor state of broadband in your area, consider that in the case of Burkina Faso, the entire country has to share one 4Mb pipe !!!! http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=292 _______________________________________________ Special Thanks to: daniel(a)linuxuser.co.uk india has better resources than these guys .... so can we finally realise our potential ?? bye, T __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1 0

[OT] Can Indians learn ??
by Tushar Mavani 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi ppl, this guys still do linux ..... _______________________________________________ Burkina Faso LUG up and running The West African nation of Burkina Faso now has its first Linux User Group, despite being one of the poorest countries on Earth. The Association Burkinabe Utilisateurs des Logiciels Libres has 50 members, trained by local Linux gurus. Next time you are tempted to moan about the poor state of broadband in your area, consider that in the case of Burkina Faso, the entire country has to share one 4Mb pipe !!!! http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=292 _______________________________________________ Special Thanks to: daniel(a)linuxuser.co.uk india has better resources than these guys .... so can we finally realise our potential ?? bye, T __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1 0

x shifts to right
by Ninad Purohit 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

hi i have configured X hubndreds of times but i haven't been able to find out why my X display shifts to the right i know this has something to do with the horizontal frequency settings of my monitor but what exactly? is there any way to save the adjustments made by xvidtune . i tried manually editing my XF86Config-4 but it didnot work i remember XF86Setup had an option to do so but redhat has deprecated it it still works in freebsd though can anybody help me out on this ===== ninad purohit have a nice day :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

3 3

sys admin
by slash_axl_rose_upen 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hi Are there jobs available in iitb for Sys Admins?? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

1 0

India IT club newsletter.... can we benefit from it??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello luggerz look at this http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc i came across this newsletter which comes from the Tokyo office of India Trade Promotion Organization(the organization which runs the pragati maidan in delhi, it also has an export promotion deptt). The compiler of this newsletter Mr. N.K. Sehgal is a close family friend of ours. I am not too sure about the audience of this newsletter but it must be going to the big export houses related to s/w exports in japan and india, and also to a few more people... now, i think i can convince mr sehgal to bail out some space for our GNU cause on his newsletter. but this comes at a later stage. ******************************************************************* ****i would like some of u experienced people to analyze the newsletter and try to determine if it can be a useful platform for us.******* **************************************************************** if u guys say that this shud be done, i'll **try** my part of convincing him. so go on people, the newsletter is up at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc (now this is in M$ word format, dont flame me for that, i didnt make it :D) ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

2 1

Commercial ILUG
by Amol Hatwar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi, Natrajan's information regarding ILUG Chennai sent a lot of my cells racing. I agree that free support is a good thing. But then what about the people whom we support that work for commercial organizations? Lets take a hypothetical case: Mr. A works for ABC Corp. who has investments in Linux in terms of development, support and even customers. Now Mr. A is a fresher and doesn't know GNU/Linux much... a Perl based project comes up, and then he runs helter skelter for help. Mr. Cool is cool with GNU/Linux and yes he knows Perl! Mr. Cool helps Mr. A out with difficulties... and ABC Corp doles the project out... because Mr. A completed it on time. Mr. A agined... ABC Corp. gained... what did Mr. Cool gain? Now I am not cool with that. Maybe I won't go with what ILUG Chennai does... but yes maybe we can charge support requests from commerical organisations. (That will help me tolerate those irritating signatures). Charging will also mean one more thing... people will look carefully at the list archives before winging something in. Regards, -ah

8 10

ASUS 3005 32 mb on RedHat 7.3
by Bentzy Sagiv 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

>>Hello, >>I just installed PCQ Redhat 7.1. on my new P4 1.5 on 10gb hdd with = >>win2000 insstalled on the 40gb. >>i am able 2 run both win200 and linux with dual booting=20 >>my prob is that in haste i forgot to configure the vga card, i have asus = >>v3005 32mb, this was not shown in the list. i learnt from a friend that = >>i could've used sis 300 (is it in the list shown by redhat??). =20 >>now i am not able 2 startx. >>my question is how do i configure X windows to take the correct drivers = >>for with re-installing linux all over again. >>my vga card is agp asus v3005 32mb ram >>monitor is lg studioworks 563N >>please help! =20 >>nilesh Hi Nilesh! I have exactly the same problem!!!!!!!Have you the solution?? I have RHL 7.3. My monitor is proview 772 Thank you at advance. Bentzy Sagiv Vidyatel Ltd. bentzy(a)vidyatel.com

4 3

linux lunacy.....talks...debian??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello this is regarding the talks on the "linux lunacy" trip to be held on the 22nd of dec. can a something be arranged in terms of debian?? a talk may be that wud make people get over the fear of those 7 big CDs , pick them up and start installing. Maybe something that says why debian is a better choice(i've just heard people saying this, no flames plz :D).. and if can also include a quick installation touches, it'd be great. any volunteers?? regards Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

1 0

linux lunacy.....talks...debian??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello this is regarding the talks on the "linux lunacy" trip to be held on the 22nd of dec. can a something be arranged in terms of debian?? a talk may be that wud make people get over the fear of those 7 big CDs , pick them up and start installing. Maybe something that says why debian is a better choice(i've just heard people saying this, no flames plz :D).. and if can also include a quick installation touches, it'd be great. any volunteers?? regards Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

1 0

India IT club newsletter.... can we benefit from it??
by Gurpreet Singh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hello luggerz look at this http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc i came across this newsletter which comes from the Tokyo office of India Trade Promotion Organization(the organization which runs the pragati maidan in delhi, it also has an export promotion deptt). The compiler of this newsletter Mr. N.K. Sehgal is a close family friend of ours. I am not too sure about the audience of this newsletter but it must be going to the big export houses related to s/w exports in japan and india, and also to a few more people... now, i think i can convince mr sehgal to bail out some space for our GNU cause on his newsletter. but this comes at a later stage. ******************************************************************* ****i would like some of u experienced people to analyze the newsletter and try to determine if it can be a useful platform for us.******* **************************************************************** if u guys say that this shud be done, i'll **try** my part of convincing him. so go on people, the newsletter is up at http://www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/Ind_IT_Club_Nletter.doc (now this is in M$ word format, dont flame me for that, i didnt make it :D) ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D ---------------------------------------------

1 0

Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-l unacy
by Nikhil Kale 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

BTW ... is there anyway i can remove my name from the list i.e. the guys coming for the picnic? i cant make it on 8th. Regards, Nikhil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:59:42 +0530 To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Subject: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for more.....linux-lunacy > One of my collegues, who is not on this list, wants to come along. Is there > any restriction on that ? > > Regards > Saswata > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Warren" <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > Cc: <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:21 PM > Subject: Fw: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 23 ppls registered callin for > more.....linux-lunacy > > > > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:33:02 +0530 > > "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Luggers.... > > > > > > > > http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/showwho.php > > > > > > > > 17pple and calling for more.... > > > > > > > Roll me in! > > [snip] > > > > Pls sign up dear. The url is as stated above. Just remove the > > showwho.php. > > > > Also...call all of those to-be lugger who wanna have fun and learn > > too..:) > > > > Bye for now. > > > > Trevor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amol Hatwar > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > -- > > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > > \___________________________________/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. NikhilKale(a)linuxmail.org NikhilKale(a)indiatimes.com -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze

2 1

Group urges limits on open source
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

The U.S. Defense Department should think twice before embracing open-source software, a trade association is advising. The Initiative for Software Choice, which counts Microsoft, Cisco Systems and Intel among its backers, said in comments filed Tuesday that the department should "avoid crafting needless and potentially detrimental IT policy to promote the use" of open-source software. "Open source" means every software developer can view the source code for software, modify it, and use it for free. The initiative, which launched in May and is chaired by a group called CompTIA, an organization that has close ties to Microsoft, is worried about a recent report that concluded the Defense Department relies on open-source software and recommended its further adoption. Written by defense contractor MITRE, the report said that free and open-source software "plays a more critical role in the (Defense Department) than has been generally recognized" and endorsed it as a viable alternative to proprietary Microsoft products. This week, the Initiative for Software Choice counterattacked, telling the Defense Information Systems Agency that the Pentagon should not "openly promote the use" of open-source software, arguing that proprietary products are not inherently less secure. The group also assailed the General Public License (GPL), which generally permits programmers to incorporate code released under the GPL as long as they make their own source code available. "While the law on this matter remains untested, it makes sense for companies to be highly risk-averse in this area, striking a more defensive posture when confronted with software development that may implicate GPL code or similar coding environments," the initiative said. "Commercial and hybrid software developers generally do not want to risk losing their investment." Proprietary software companies such as Microsoft have labeled open-source software as a serious threat and have begun to oppose its use by governments. At the same time, however, nations such as France and Germany have begun to encourage open-source software to limit their dependence on proprietary vendors and to stimulate local software development. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

3 2

your security on the Internet
by kishor bhagwat 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hello folks, chk out this link if you use a Winbox http://drorshalev.brinkster.net/dev/ Those without a winbox shld try this link on their friends' machines! Try some of the stuff under Free Style, it gives a good demo of how unsafe you are in the wild world of the Internet! regds, aaaaarrrgghhh __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1 0

Software license tied to human rights
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Link to the article - http://news.com.com/2100-1023-975638.html?tag=lh Move over, free software. Step aside, today's open-source licenses. Software distributed under an "enhanced source" license released this week will be legally prohibited from censoring or spying on users. Crafted by Hacktivismo, a hacking group organized by the Cult of the Dead Cow, the Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement says that anyone using code released under it must respect privacy, free expression, due process and other human rights. HESSLA comes as concern is growing over governments using technology such as blocking software to restrict what their citizens can do or say online. In September, House Republicans released a report titled "Tear Down This Firewall," and this week, Amnesty International published a report highlighting China's crackdown on Internet use. "The Hacktivismo enhanced-source software license agreement marks the first time technology transfer has been linked to protecting human rights," said Oxblood Ruffin, founder of Hacktivismo. "Our clients and end-users aren't building the firewalls to keep democracy out. They're locked inside trying to break free." In July, Ruffin published a manifesto that referenced the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights and said Internet censorship is "a serious form of organized and systematic violence against citizens, is intended to generate confusion and xenophobia and is a reprehensible violation of trust." Hacktivismo's license says that any government that violates human rights is prohibited from using software released under it. The "enhanced source" license intentionally tracks much of the language of the well-known General Public License and borrows most of the GPL's concepts, such as the one that says anyone incorporating code released under the license in their program must also make the source code of their program available. In fact, Hacktivismo recommends that programmers release their code under both licenses. One problem Hacktivismo might encounter is that the current license is so broad it discourages developers from using it. For instance, it bans governments, individuals and corporations from any "monitoring of individuals," which might apply to popular network monitoring utilities, and bans "filtering" of any expression, which could cover routine utilities such as spam-filtering programs. Another section of the license requires that the creator of any program that uses cryptography for authentication or confidentiality must ensure that the algorithms meet minimum security thresholds. And if any disputes arise involving another nation, the license says, foreign governments relinquish their right of sovereign immunity and agree to be sued in federal court in the United States. The license enables both Hacktivismo and its end-users to go to court if someone tries to use the software in a malicious manner, or to introduce harmful changes into the software. It also contains more robust language than has previously been used to maximize enforcement against governments around the world. The HESSLA explicitly prohibits anybody from introducing "spyware, surveillance technology, or other undesirable code into modified versions of HESSLA-licensed programs." Additionally, the license prohibits any use of the software by any government that has any policy or practice of violating human rights. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants." Sir Isaac Newton ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

2 1

Re: [ILUG-BOM] top posting (was: Redhat 8 CD's)
by Philip S Tellis 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Sameer's signature said: > FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #5 > A: The Halls of Montezuma and the Shores of Tripoli. > Q: Name two families whose kids won't join the Marines. talk about posting answers before questions!!

1 0

LINK: Wanted contacts in embedded software
by Frederick Noronha 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

A friend from Japan, Sandor Markon <markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp> is a manager of a Japanese manufacturer and is involved with introducing GNU/Linux to the firm. The firm is considering to start outsourcing software projects in India, and is doing an initial survey here. He will be attending LinuxBangalore2002 from Dec 3-5 in Bangalore. "Seeing how active you are on the Indian Linux scene, I wonder if you might want to help me with the initial inquiries, perhaps by introducing me to some people or companies that you know," he writes. If you are working in the field and are interested, please get in touch. He is interested in getting in touch with embedded systems development capacities, software engineering tools, development environment customization etc., "but of course also in more general software capabilities, too". Contact details as below: Sandor Markon FUJITEC Co.Ltd. World HQ, 28-10, Shoh 1-chome, Ibaraki, Osaka, JAPAN Tel: 0726-22-8148 Fax: 0726-22-8274 email: markon(a)rd.fujitec.co.jp -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.2409490/2409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com fred at bytesforall dot org * Mobile 9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference ... on what makes *the* difference "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila." - Anon.

1 0

PPTP on Linux
by Devendra Parulekar 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Hi I have been trying to make my Linux kernel MPPE and PPTP aware. Tried downloading the i386.rpms (for pptp and mppe) from pptpclient.sourceforge.net and proceeded as per the James Cameron's howto (for Psyche - RH 8.0). http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-redhat-80.phtml But, after proceeding through the entire cycle of rebuilding kernel modules et al, I still get a message (from pptp-command) that kernel is not supporting pptp. a) pppd daemon does not start...same excuse. Kernel release version 2.4.18-14 b) On further investigation (modprobe -v pptp or mppe); it shows up an error in a file called ppp_generic.o saying 'uresolved symbol' at various lines of code. c) # kernel-modules/kmodinst.sh kernel-modules/new-2.4.18-14/ When i perform this action ...module dependencies command returns some errors. Has anyone had any success in the same? Pls help...as I need to connect to my Cable ISP's VPN box (thru ethernet) to access email. Regards Deven PS - A lot of RTFM has already happened, so lemme pre-empt that reply. ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. Ernst & Young is neither liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt.

4 4

Mail signatures and Egos :)
by Kiran Nadgir 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

well well...somebody's ego trip just doesnt end. Philip for your sake i'll make sure the signal to noise ratio is in control. And its ok if you don't read the content of my mail its never intended for you.Don't trouble yourself so much over diclaimer's and the like, just let them be. Sorry if any more egos were hurt because of my mails. :) rgds, kiran ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 56922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ " I'd rather regret things I've done than regret things I never got to do." Leti G. --- Texas This goes for anything in your life. I like to live by this quote. To me, it means that I need to do things I want to do, when I want to do them. I'm not going to get to live my life over again! Sure, sometimes there'll be consequences, but I'd rather say I got to do them. When I grow old and am telling my grand children and great-grand children about my life, I don't want to be wishing I'd done more! ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

5 6

plz help me
by vamsi krishna 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

hi i am vamsi ,project associate from iiit allahabad,india. i have a Dlink DMI-128ESU ISDN (External) TA, which i want to configure it on linux.can u tell me the way out to do this.i have to enable mlppp and not ppp for which the init string is AT%A2=6 ,i have use this AT command for configuring the modem.please kindly tell me a solution. vamsi __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

2 1

"Linux 7.1"
by Satya 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I'm a member of another LUG. On the LUG mailing list, someone made the mistake of referring to "Linux 7.1". Here is Eric Ortega's reply: On Nov 28, 2002 at 13:18, Eric Ortega wrote: >You actually, unless you have a time machine, do not have a copy of Linux >7.1. You have a copy of Redhat 7.1, which is a completely different ball >of wax than just the Linux kernel. Note that Debian is around version 2 or >something, Mandrake is at 9 or thereabouts, and the kernel hackers are >banging around on Linux 2.5. > >Confusing the kernel with the rest of the distribution is an easy mistake >to make in the beginning but it's like dragging your fingernails down >a chalkboard to people who know a little bit more. It's in your best >interest to clarify the difference in your own mind if you hope to present >yourself as anything more than a wholly helpless (and therefore not worth >the effort) newbie. Once you square that small thing away will you have >already opened up many more avenues for help. :) He also requests that the last sentence be changed to: Once you square that small thing away you will have already opened up many more avenues for help. :) But I can't do that. :-P -- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf Cap'n! Cap'n! the UART's will'nae take the speed!

1 0

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001

Linuxers