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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] %

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:51:33 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss > > > > > > >> market share in desktop environment. The entire core of >dotnet strategy > > is > > >> to move things away from the desktop / client and move the >processing >to > > >>the > > >> server > > > These days are too far. The people at Sun thought about the >Network > > Computer > > > and burnt their hands. > > > > > > Sometimes I use connection speeds where even the K is absent >;). > > > > DotNet was thougth out and designed when the DotCom boom was >at its crest > > and every one was saying the all corporate will move to ASP >(Application > > Service Provider) model of computing. The dotnet strategy >could, obviously > > not be changed at this stage though the dotcom boom ended, so >its features > > are still there waiting for the time when it will be >implemented. Till >then, > > it will only serve to further bloat windows software. > >The ASP model in general was a failure how many more dot-com >companies do we >need to prove that. > > > > > As for Network Computer, I think one hand it was badly >marketed, and on >the > > other hand, there was very little benefit of moving to that >platform. The > > savings at each client was minimum and that power demand >requirement added > > on the server side was too much. Sun based its NC strategy >on > > "Anit-Microsoft" platform rather on user needs and benefits. > >The NC seems promising even today. But then lets wait for IBM to >eat Sun ;). >Maybe then it will be more valid. > >Regards, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:45 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Connected with the same topic actually, > > > > If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to > > linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >Maybe we should try this area as well. What say people. The best >way to >prove your ability is by DOING IT. > > > I am talking about companies falling between small and >mid-sized companies > > in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them >? Can we > > promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in >solving problems > > that they face ? >*snip* > >I am thinking of starting a Consulting company that will do only >GNU/Linux >and M$ to GNU/Linux migration. And I am looking for willing >customers... > >Saswata where can I get in touch with you regarding this? > >Warm wishes, > >Amol Hatwar. > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:06:54 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta(a)phreaker.net> > > To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ign

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Re: Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & Associates)
by chetan v ingle 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi everybody, I am newbie to this group.let me introduce myself. I am Chetan Ingle working in Rolta india ltd as s/w engg.Working on advanced java and redhat linux.Well When after started working on linux I simply fall in luv with linux and now I fall in luv I don't wanna come back . So I want everything on linux. Well I just read message of Saswat Banerji,I think it's easy to migrate to linux so we can convince customer.I have over 2 years experience on linux and java where i have done same thing like migrating application to linux.The only thing we have to do is give good technical support to customer after migration.Once we do for one customer then remaining customers will be convinced automatically. let me know ur views too. Regards, Chetan Ingle On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in wrote : >Send Linuxers mailing list submissions to > linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >You can reach the person managing the list at > linuxers-admin(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >specific >than "Re: Contents of Linuxers digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Saswata Banerjee & >Associates) > 2. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 3. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 4. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 5. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (kishor bhagwat) > 6. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Amol Hatwar) > 7. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (q u a s i) > 8. Re: OT - Topology plotting (Satya) > 9. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 10. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > 11. Re: [OT] Ignorance is bliss (Vinayak Hegde) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 > From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" ><scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> >To: <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Ignorance is bliss >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:28:24 +0530 >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >Connected with the same topic actually, > >If we manage to convince one of our clients to move at least >partially to >linux, how can ILUG help them ? > >I am talking about companies falling between small and mid-sized >companies >in service industry. Say with 150-200 people working for them ? >Can we >promise such people help in moving to Linux and help in solving >problems >that they face ? > >Companies like these are not the ones who can use help from >usenet or such >things. > >I have been telling my clients that Linux is a good platform to >move to, >specially since it does not make sense to pay huge amounts for >official >windows software. I have also told them that the platform is very >stable, >meaning that once installed, unless you fiddle with things, it >will work >trouble free for years. But they are still worried about whether >they will >be able to cope up with problems that they may face. (Neither can >they >afford to have expensive tech-support contracts) > >Regards >Saswata > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 > From: "Amol Hatwar" <rollacosta@

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picnic for the luggerz
by Gurpreet Singh 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

hi luggerz plzzzzzz no not december... am feeling so miserable bout missing the LUG meetiung in nov, now i dont wanna miss the picnic too. put that somewhere in jan or maybe after 22nd dec and before 25th. woops that was too specific. plzzzzzzzz people i dont wanna miss this one :) gurpreet

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Linux - The Movie
by Bhargav Bhatt 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Luggerz, There is an excellent documentary on Linux, available for free download on ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/video/The_Code-Linux.avi While some of it is in European Languages other than English, most of it is in English. It features extended interiviews with RMS, Linus, Raymond etc. There is also a 2-3 minute section where Linus talks about Linux and India. All in all, an excellent view, if u have the bandwidth(600MB). Cheers, -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mandrake9.0 problems
by Amol Hatwar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Which lappy do you use?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mandrake9.0 problems
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

did you go through the hardware compataibility list on Mandrake's website? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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MS Proposes Disclosing Windows Source To India
by Bhargav Bhatt 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Wow fellows! It seems that Microsoft really wants India. As the Economic Times article, http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/default? (linked from Slashdot) points out, they are going to disclose code of Windows to a certain goverment body. According to some, this could be fatal to the rise of Linux. However, I dont think so. The secret of the astronomic rise of Linux, IMO, lies in the free spirit it fosters among developers which enables each and everyone of them to make meaningul contributions to the code (surely M$ wont allow that). This helps retain the zeal among the developers which also explains why the relatively fewer bugs OSS get patched relatively quickly. Anyways, I am rambling OT. I am anxious to hear what you guys think about it. Will the FSF-India write another letter to the govt? -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.

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Fw: Update on Linux Lunacy trip...30PPl in.
by Trevor Warren 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello All, Thx for the support you have given us in registering for the event. The trip is as scheduled on 22dn Sunday, to arnala. The Speakers...pls plan out your talks in advance. Most of these will be discussions cum talks, just to make the whole event a very unformal one. Bye for now. Lemme know for any intended last minute entries. http://mlasia.mine.nu/ilug/lunacy.php Trevor -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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Fwd: Agenda for the LUG meet
by Amish Munshi 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

I would like to have an arrangement where we can show the installation of Debian or gentoo (if time permits), and a lecture on using emacs. Anyone who can do this? ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Agenda for the LUG meet Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:28:30 +0530 From: "Kapil Karekar" <kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net> To: <mails(a)munshi.dyndns.org> Hi Amish ! Could you send me the agenda for the LUG meet. I can then put it up on the ILUG-BOM site. Cheers Kapil Karekar -------------------------------------------------------

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Xqueeze - a compact and fast alternative to XML
by Kapil Karekar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Congrats Tahir, for the first release of Xqueeze ! Xqueeze is a compact and fast alternative to XML for applications where human-readability of XML is not a requirement. The objectives of Xqueeze are: o Minimization of space consumed by markup o Compatibility with XML design, development and deployment cycles o Fast Parsing o Minimum/no loss of generality afforded by XML Developers: Tahir Hashmi, Swapnil Shrivastava, Soarabh Madan Details regarding Xqueeze can be found on the Xqueeze homepage at http://xqueeze.sourceforge.net. You might like to read the pages "The Concept", "Feature Details" and "Specifications" in that order. Tahir is giving a talk about Xqueeze on 13 Dec, 2002 at 16:00 hrs in the Lecture Theatre (NCST Juhu). Regards Kapil Karekar

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Whats keeping you on windows? [slashdot.org]
by Bhargav Bhatt 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Guys, A Huge slashdot article/poll on the factors that deter users from switching over to *NIX completely. I was not going to submit this initially, but this is 10th largest article on Slashdot on its very first day and is rising. Definitely worth read/comment if u have the time. http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/13/2127227&mode=thread&tid=109 Statutory Warning: Page is Huge. May take a while to load. -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. -- "If English was commutative, we could all talk like Yoda." - Anonymous.

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FSF(I) statement on Microsoft's "investments" in India
by Frederick Noronha 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Free Software Foundation of India Press Release Apropos Microsoft's "investments" in India Thursday, November 14, 2002 The Free Software Foundation of India would like to bring to the attention of the Government and the general public the negative implications of the "investments" pledged by the Microsoft Chairman, Bill Gates, during his present visit to India. At the outset, it needs to be made very clear that the proposed investments have no motive other than the motive of profit and nobody should be under the illusion that these "investments" are being made for the betterment of society or for the development of India. On the contrary, the type of software developed and sold by Microsoft, proprietary software, -- software which is supplied without its underlying source code and without the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute it -- constrains indigenous development and divides society. Of particular concern is the Microsoft Chairman's pledge of money to `Project Shiksha' aimed at educating 35 lakh children, tied to the condition that the Project will purchase and use licensed Microsoft software! Mr. Gates magnanimously declared that "In education, we have very low pricing. For big education projects, we will have larger donations so that the cost of software is lower." However, this is not a question of initial software cost. Microsoft would benefit tremendously from such a project even if it were to supply it's software free of cost as long as it is Microsoft software. That is because the children and teachers would learn (or shall we say "indoctrinated") to use only Microsoft software, allowing the company to maintain it's monopolistic stranglehold in education and beyond. This is akin to an MBBS course teaching potential doctors how to use medicines manufactured only by one particular pharmaceutical company! Besides the obvious issue of monopoly, there is another far more fundamental concern, that of software freedom. As pointed out earlier, Microsoft software is proprietary -- it is supplied without it's underlying source code under a restrictive license which denies its users the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute the software. Which means that the students and teachers of `Project Shiksha' will not have the option of "looking under the hood" to see how the software works. If they find problems with the software or if they wish to customize it, they will not have the means or the right to make such corrections or modifications, either by themselves or by engaging a third party. They will have to depend solely on Microsoft to provide such corrections or modifications. They will be denied the right to share the software with others outside the purview of the project premises, leading young and impressionable minds to believe that sharing is wrong! The People and the Government of India should reject outright any grant or investment which is tied to such restrictive conditions whose sole aim is to perpetuate a monopoly and make a nation's software infrastructure so hopelessly dependent on one corporation. The Government should set up an expert committee to look into the above implications and seriously consider formulating an IT and education policy based on Free/Swatantra Software. Swatantra Software gives the users all the rights and freedoms denied by proprietary software. It enables and encourages collaborative development independent of any corporate entity thereby guaranteeing the freedom and independence of its users. It facilitates devising local solutions to local problems independently of the software's supplier. It gives the users the means and right to study how the software works and, as software educationists know, the best way to learn to write good software is by studying other peoples' work. It allows the software to be shared, both "as is" as well as in modified forms, in keeping with the ethical tradition of the free flow of knowledge. An example of Free/Swatantra Software is the GNU/Linux operating system which is in widespread use especially in the enterprise, in government departments and in academic institutions around the world. The country-wide SchoolNet program of Namibia, for instance, uses GNU/Linux. Other countries like Peru are in the process of mandating or legislating the use of free software such as GNU/Linux to ensure their independence. References: Peru: [1]Peruvian Congressman's Open Letter to Microsoft [2]An Interview with Peruvian Congressman Villanueva Namibia: [3]SchoolNet rebuffs Microsoft About FSF India The Free Software Foundation Of India is a non-profit organisation committed to advocating, promoting and propagating the use and development of swatantra software in India. Our goal is to ensure the long term adoption of free software, and aim for the day when all software will be free (swatantra). This includes educating people about software freedom and convincing them that it is the freedom that matters. We regard non-free proprietary software as a problem to be solved, not as a solution to any problem. _________________________________________________________________ Back to: FSF India's [4]press page. FSF India's [5]home page. References 1. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-06-012-26-OS-SM-LL 2. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-20-006-26-IN-LF-PB 3. http://www.schoolnet.na/pr/msftrelease.html 4. http://www.gnu.org.in/press/press.html 5. http://www.gnu.org.in/press/../

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test message
by sameer shinde 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi This is a test message. Just to check whether I can receive the emails from the mailing list or not bcoz, since last 2 days I'm unable to receive any mail from the mailing list. Thanks, SAMEER :)

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Plans to start-up PC User Meets in Goa...can we do this too
by Trevor Warren 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello Luggers..... Can we have regular Activites planned on the following lines...??? Pls read on....... Bye for now. Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:47:45 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha <fred(a)bytesforall.org> To: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: [ilug-goa] [GOA-GENERAL] Plans to start-up PC User Meets in Goa Not directly GNU/Linux-related, but hoping this would see our members' participation in strength. FN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi All, The CSI Goa Chapter, plans to start-up PC User Meets, for users of PCs (Office users, professionals using PCs, Home users, student users, etc.). These (open to everyone) meets are planned to help PC Users get more out of their PCs by way of productivity and overall usage and awareness. We plan to have these meets on the second Saturday of every month, from 4 to 6 PM so that they're convenient for all sections of PC users. The meets will be "open to all" for no charge and are proposed be held at the CSI office in Panjim (and maybe sometime alternatively in Margao too -- if there's demand for it there). The plan for the meet is a short talk (30 min) by an advanced PC User on some of the tools/technologies and tips-n-tricks with normal usage PC Software. This will be followed by a usual informal question-answer and discussion session. We plan to take requests from attendees for topics and schedule and cover these topics, as part of the CSI Goa Chapter activities in the areas of de-mystifying and e-nabling better PC usage. It's proposed to start-off with a session this Second Saturday (14th Dec 2002 4 PM to 6 PM), where one of our members has offered to take a session on Email. Suggestions for future sessions will also be accepted. I'm sending you this email, as I need your ideas/suggestions on the same. If you're a PC user that would like some special sessions taken, let us know. If you're an advanced PC User that thinks you "have something to share" with the rest of Goa's PC users, write-in... Or even if you "just have some ideas/suggestions you think may be useful", email us. You can email us at <office(a)csi-goa.org>. Keep in touch. Regards, Ricky Noronha Online -- Goa (For CSI Goa Chapter, Activities Committee - 2002). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get 128 Bit SSL Encryption! http://us.click.yahoo.com/CBxunD/vN2EAA/xGHJAA/0XFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To Post a message, send it to: ilug-goa(a)yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: ilug-goa-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/

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[OT] domain query
by Amol Hatwar 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi, Does anyone know of a good domain registrar who gives me all the controls? Thanks, -ah

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Coool News For linux lovers
by Aswin Bhupalam 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi e-body!! This is my first mail to the group. Hope u'll enjoy the following news. Thanks, #win *Kewl news for linux lovers:* For detailed News Visit: http://www.msnbc.com/news/845822.asp?cp1=1 Worth reading !! esp if u r anti M$ --carries---------------- Will Microsoft ever support Linux? Analysts sketch near-future scenario; software giant scoffs By Joe Wilcox Dec. 10 - The growing popularity of Linux will force Microsoft to bring its software to the Unix clone starting in late 2004, a research firm predicted Monday in a study that Microsoft promptly disputed.

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[OT] M$ to Share WinDOZE src with GOI
by Natarajan V 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi, Catch the Front Page main headlines in Today's Economic Times. Cheers Natarajan http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/comp/articleshow?artid=3110… <snip> MS to share Windows code with India PRAGATI VERMA TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2002 02:31:31 AM ] Microsoft is virtually doing the unthinkable in India it is planning to share the Windows source code. Not with one and all, as Linux does, but with a specific government body which, in turn, will share it with others for the purposes of e-governance and education. </snip>

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How to determine "clock cycle" usage
by Rahul Saxena 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi there, How do i find out how many clock cycles ( basically how much time, in seconds the processor is actually spending on a piece of code ) the processor is using. i have used clock() at a few place both in linux and dos, how does i change this to true time.. in seconds. Normally CLOCK_TICKS_CONSTANT or somthing is fixed to 1e6. how is this related to the processor clock speed Whats the significance. Pls tell me if there are any documentation on all this, besides the man pages. -regards rahul

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thanx 4 the permissions answer
by Pradnyesh Sawant 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello, thank u 4 the ans 4 changing the access permissions 4 the windows partition. i tried the foll line, which did not work /dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user,uid=3d500 0 0 (since 500 was the uid i wanted 2 give the permissions 2) so i tried the foll line & it worked /dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,owner,user,uid=500 0 0 i did not try /dev/hda1 /mnt/win vfat auto,umask=3d0 0 0 as i felt it was not right 2 give all rights 2 all users thanx 4 all the help i hope u all will also help me with my next queries: 1. i have an epson 480 color stylus printer, which has support in rhl 7.3. the docs (/usr/share/doc/ghostscript-6.52/Devices.htm) specifies that my printer can give the foll resolutions: Xdpi=180,360,720 & Ydpi=90,180,360,720. but i don't know how 2 use these resolutions. plz tell me some place where i can learn about the "gs" command mentioned in the above mentioned doc. also i didn't understand the "YourFile.ps" part. can somebody plz hlp me out? THANX! 2. how can i see the status of the ink remaining in my cartridges? also how do i replace the cartridge when it is empty? 3. when i tried taking some print-outs using gimp, i got them in the default res. if the image is color then the print-out gets messed up, whereas if i specify a b&w print-out, then the image is printed using both color & b&w inks. how do i specify if i want 2 use only b&w ink? thanx a lot in advance! -- Best regards, Pradnyesh mailto:pradnyesh@gmx.net

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DHCP client-identifier option
by Sachin Rase 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

i want to configure client classing with client-identifier option pls provide me help with this options. i don't want to use MAC address. I have win98 clients as well as win2000. Pls tell me how can i configure these clients to send client-identifier -- Regards ----------- Sachin Rase MediaIBC 26178979 ----------

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when and where is the meeting
by Linux Group 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hello, I was not in contact so can anyone tell me abt the Linux meeting and where ??? Thanx

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NEWS-BANGALORE: Big Blue counters Gates' offer for Indian software
by Frederick Noronha 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Big Blue counters Gates' offer for Indian software By Imran Qureshi, Indo-Asian News Service Bangalore, Dec 12 (IANS) After Microsoft chairman Bill Gates' lavish offerings for health, education and proprietary software, his company's biggest competitor IBM has offered to transform India into a software industry hub if it adopts the open source standard. The world's second largest software company that is also known as the Big Blue is offering to build "enablement centres" for India to shift from being a mere software services powerhouse to a full-fledged software industry hub. "We are willing to invest heavily in the enablement centres based on what decision the government takes. It should standardise on open source and we will create centres for the software industry to flourish," Amuj Goyal, vice president, solutions and strategy, IBM software group, told IANS. "Innovation on the Microsoft platform has moved out. VCs (venture capitalists) are not investing any more on the MSN platform. Gates' visit was only to carry the message of proprietary software that will not benefit the customers," he said. Goyal, the highest ranking Indian in IBM worldwide, has helped drive the growth of the hardware leader's foray into the software business and made it a $13 billion group in just seven years, displacing Oracle from the position of the world's number two software company. "IBM was on proprietary technology in the early 1990s. We could not see outside that. We were trying to look after ourselves, not the customers, until we started the software business in 1995. Today Microsoft is on the wrong side," said Goyal, an alumni of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Kanpur. "We will put up enablement centres (like e-governance or e-business centres) for software centres. Our strategy is different. Customers need to have control and that can come only through open standards. Microsoft's strategy is to get in their proprietary technology. That's a big trap," he added. "Today you can use database from IBM or any other vendor on open standard. The reason why customers like us is because our systems are robust and scalable and for support services. If you are caught in the proprietary trap, the software business cannot be built. Those are hooks and lures he (Gates) is investing in. Customers don't want that," Goyal said. He quoted examples of the governments of Britain, Germany and Singapore that have adopted open source standards. "India does not have a software business. We want to build the future SAP or a BEA in India by focusing on open standards." IBM is leveraging India not only for its "tremendous skills in software and services" but also because it sees the country as an important market. It has set up five software research and development centres and a solution partnership centre in India. The company has committed $100 million until 2003 for the India software laboratory in Bangalore, which is being scaled up from a headcount of 500 to about 600. "But the skills in India can be applied far beyond the Indian market, primarily the English-speaking countries in the Asia-Pacific unlike China or Japan, which are country-focussed labs," Goyal said. So, was the shift in focus from hardware to software during the downturn coincidental? "No, it was not coincidental. We have been on this strategy for the last 10 years. We have recorded growth for 21 consecutive quarters," Goyal said. The software group drives about 30 percent of IBM's profits. It is the largest supplier of Internet infrastructure software, called middleware, which accounts for about 80 percent of IBM's software revenue of over $10 billion. "We are young -- just seven years old -- and growing, and we will continue to grow. Given the current economic situation, if an opportunity exists, we will go in for acquisition, as we did with Rational Software (the world's leading supplier of software tools for $2.1 billion). It makes sense because it is open standard. We have completed seven acquisitions in 18 months." --Indo-Asian News Service

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linux lunacy 22 dec "yes" or "no"??
by Gurpreet Singh 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

hello luggers could someone plz tell me.... IS LINUX LUNACY SCHEDULED FOR 22 DEC STILL A PLAN OR HAS IT BEEN SCRAPPED. There is not talk abt the same on list thus have this doubt. could someone plz update us on what is the plan?? what talks?? what timings?? waiting... Gurpreet ________________________________________________________________ NIIT supports World Computer Literacy Day on 2nd December. Enroll for NIIT SWIFT Jyoti till 2nd December for only Rs. 749 and get free Indian Languages Office software worth Rs. 2500. For details contact your nearest NIIT centre, SWIFT Point or click here http://swift.rediff.com/ Gurpreet Singh Student Final Yr Computer Sc. & Engg. --------------------------------------------------------------------- M A K E Y O U R O W N R O A D --------------------------------------------------------------------

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(no subject)
by slash_axl_rose_upen 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

Hi Guys & Gals (do we have any?), There has been mention that we should do something for Christmas as a team, especially since we have grown so much since our conception a few of months ago. I'm just sitting here thinking and off the top of my hear, how does this sound? On a saturday (perhaps the 28th of Dec although reply and discuss) we have a bit of a get together during the day where we do general linuxy geeky type things, sit around and chew over issues. There is a possibility I can get my place set up with a couple of tables for some PC's etc and we have a nice patio for sitting outside if the geekiness call for it. After that, we head into town say about 7pm and go to some kind of resteraunt, possibly a curry or thai or whatever people can handle (I know what you're gonna shout out, Mark!). But, how many people are going away for the holidays? What dates would suit? How about as early as this weekend coming (14/15)?. Reply and let us all know. Cheers! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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The OpenCD : Free/Libre and Open Source Software for Windows
by Frederick Noronha 16 Nov '02

16 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From henrik(a)theopencd.org Wed Dec 11 22:40:25 2002 Hello, My name is Henrik Nilsen Omma, and I am one of the project leaders of a new Open Source Project called TheOpenCD. Our aim is to create a simple to use CD distribution of Open Source software for Windows, and in that way spread the OSS message. I'm writing to various LUGs to announce the launch of our first edition, and hope that you might find it a useful tool in promoting Linux and OSS to a wider public. The disc allows new users can try out Open Source software (OSS) in the comfort of their own, familiar operating system, rather than having to take the drastic step of reformatting their hard drive to install Linux or BSD. The collection, which includes OpenOffice.org, AbiWord and Beonex is primarily intended for non-technical computer users. However, we expect that the disc will appeal first to experienced OSS users, who will hopefully find it a useful vehicle by which to introduce OSS to their less computer-savvy friends. We invite all OSS enthusiasts to download the ISO, burn CDs and distribute them widely to friends, local schools, universities, and companies. We further encourage you all to stop by our to comment, discuss and contribute! http://www.theopencd.org/ Best wishes, Henrik Nilsen Omma & TheOpenCD Team -- Henrik Nilsen Omma Theoretical Physics, Oxford 35 Frenchay Road 1 Keble Road Oxford OX2 6TG Oxford OX1 3NP h.omma(a)btinternet.com henrik(a)thphys.ox.ac.uk

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Karnataka & M$
by Amol Hatwar 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

http://rediff.com/money/2002/nov/13gates.htm This is about Govt. of Karnataka and M$ signing an MoU for a portal called Bangalore One. Shit happens! Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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[Fsf-press] Press Release from FSF India
by Nagarjuna G. 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Press Release from Free Software Foundation of India Free Software Foundation of India --------------------------------- Press release: Friday, November 15, 2002 The Free Software Foundation of India would like to bring to the attention of the Government and the general public the negative implications of the "investment pledges" made by the Microsoft Chairman, Bill Gates, during his present visit to India. At the outset, it needs to be made very clear that the proposed investments have no motive other than the motive of profit and nobody should be under the illusion that these "investments" are being made for the betterment of society or for the development of India. On the contrary, the type of software developed and sold by Microsoft, proprietary software, -- software which is supplied without its underlying source code and without the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute it -- constrains indigenous development and divides society. Of particular concern is the Microsoft Chairman's pledge of money to `Project Shiksha' aimed at educating 35 lakh children, tied to the condition that the Project will purchase and use licensed Microsoft software! Mr. Gates magnanimously declared that "In education, we have very low pricing. For big education projects, we will have larger donations so that the cost of software is lower." However, this is not a question of initial software cost. Microsoft would benefit tremendously from such a project even if it were to supply its software free of cost as long as it is Microsoft software. That is because the children and teachers would learn (or shall we say "indoctrinated") to use only Microsoft software, allowing the company to maintain its monopolistic stranglehold in education and beyond. This is akin to an MBBS course teaching potential doctors how to use medicines manufactured only by one particular pharmaceutical company! To quote Richard Stallman, President of the Free Software Foundation: "This `gift' is no act of generosity. Giving Microsoft software to school children is like giving them cigarettes: it is a way to get them hooked, so that once they grow up they will be a captive market for Microsoft." Thus, Microsoft is not "investing" in Indian Education but in its own future captive market. Besides the obvious issue of monopoly, there is another far more fundamental concern, that of software freedom. As pointed out earlier, Microsoft software is proprietary -- it is supplied without its underlying source code under a restrictive license which denies its users the freedoms to study, modify and redistribute the software. Which means that the students and teachers of `Project Shiksha' will not have the means or the right to study how the software works or to change it -- studying and changing the software one uses is one of the best ways to learn programming. If they find problems with the software, they will not have the means or the right to make required corrections, either by themselves or by engaging a third party. They will have to depend solely on Microsoft to provide such corrections. They will be denied the right to share the software with others outside the purview of the project premises, leading young and impressionable minds to believe that sharing is wrong! The People and the Government of India should reject outright any grant or "investment" which is tied to such restrictive conditions whose sole aim is to perpetuate a monopoly and make a nation's software infrastructure so hopelessly dependent on one corporation. The Government should set up an expert committee to look into the above implications and seriously consider formulating an IT and education policy based on Free/Swatantra Software. Swatantra Software gives the users all the rights and freedoms denied by proprietary software. It enables and encourages collaborative development independent of any corporate entity thereby guaranteeing the freedom and independence of its users. It facilitates devising local solutions to local problems independently of the software's supplier. It gives the users the means and right to study how the software works and, as software educationists know, the best way to learn to write good software is by studying other peoples' work. It allows the software to be shared, both "as is" as well as in modified forms, in keeping with the ethical tradition of the free flow of knowledge. An example of Free/Swatantra Software is the GNU/Linux operating system which is in widespread use especially in the enterprise, in government departments and in academic institutions around the world. The development of the GNU system started in 1984, and the GNU/Linux operating system has been in use since 1992. The country-wide SchoolNet program of Namibia, for instance, uses GNU/Linux. Other countries like Peru are in the process of mandating or legislating the use of free software such as GNU/Linux to ensure their independence. About FSF India The Free Software Foundation Of India is a non-profit organisation committed to advocating, promoting and propagating the use and development of swatantra software in India. Our goal is to ensure the long term adoption of free software, and aim for the day when all software will be free (swatantra). This includes educating people about software freedom and convincing them that it is the freedom that matters. We regard non-free proprietary software as a problem to be solved, not as a solution to any problem. References: Online version of this release: http://www.gnu.org.in/press/141102.html Peruvian Congressman's Open Letter to Microsoft: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-06-012-26-OS-SM-LL An Interview with Peruvian Congressman Villanueva: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-05-20-006-26-IN-LF-PB Namibia: SchoolNet rebuffs Microsoft: http://www.schoolnet.na/pr/msftrelease.html The GNU Project: http://www.gnu.org FSF India Web site: http://www.gnu.org.in _______________________________________________ Fsf-press mailing list Fsf-press(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsf-press ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01

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Why linux is a desktop dud !!
by Kiran Nadgir 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

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how to config 4 speakers
by prasad 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

hii all i have connected in all 4 speakers to my comp > > ...where 2 are comp. speakers and two are of my music system > > and i have 2 OS ..winxp and LINUX. but in winsows we can > > enable four speakers, but in linux i don't know from where > > to enable it...if anyone knows @ it ..plzz do reply. bye

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[OT] MS Eula prohibits .NET Benchmark Disclosures
by Prakash Shetty 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hello linuxers, Some interesting stuff i noticed in the windows update agreement license while updating my XP box. * you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsofts prior written approval. Best regards, Prakash mailto:pshetty@gmx.net

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Regarding Logitech Quickcam Express (USB) Camera
by K.Vasudeva 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Dear all, I am using kernel 2.4.18-3 (Redhat 7.3) To configure Logitech Quickcam express camera (USB) i downloaded the file quickcam-vc-1.0.5 and compiled the kernel.This is my lsmod output Module Size Used by Tainted: P parport_pc 18724 0 (autoclean) qcamvc_pp 4452 0 (autoclean) (unused) parport 34208 0 (autoclean) [parport_pc qcamvc_pp] qcamvc_usb 4836 0 (autoclean) (unused) qcamvc 14176 0 [qcamvc_pp qcamvc_usb] videodev 6624 0 [qcamvc] i810_audio 23008 0 (autoclean) ac97_codec 11936 0 (autoclean) [i810_audio] soundcore 6692 2 (autoclean) [i810_audio] binfmt_misc 7556 1 autofs 12132 0 (autoclean) (unused) eepro100 20240 1 ipchains 43528 10 ide-cd 30272 0 (autoclean) cdrom 32224 0 (autoclean) [ide-cd] usb-ohci 20736 0 (unused) usbcore 73216 1 [qcamvc_usb usb-ohci] ext3 67136 2 jbd 49400 2 [ext3] Whenever i try to access camera using xawtv i am getting this error message. This is xawtv-3.73, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.18-3) can't open /dev/video0: No such device v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device v4l: open /dev/video0: No such device no video grabber device available My dmesg message Linux video capture interface: v1.00 QuickCam VC: (C) 2001 by De Marchi Daniele, <demarchidaniele(a)libero.it> QuickCam VC: v4l level driver version 1.0.5 registered. QuickCam VC: Making a quickcam directory in /proc. QuickCam VC(USB): (C) 2001 by De Marchi Daniele, <demarchidaniele(a)libero.it> QuickCam VC(USB): lowlevel driver version 1.0.5 registered. qcamvc_usb: init usb.c: registered new driver Connectix QuickCam VC QuickCam VC(PP): (C) 2001 by De Marchi Daniele, <demarchidaniele(a)libero.it> QuickCam VC(PP): lowlevel driver version 1.0.5 registered. parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] this i am trying from past 4 days & even i tried in sourceforge.net Quickcam forum but no information.please help me out. thanks vasu.k -- K.Vasudeva National Centre For Biological Sciences Tata Institute of Fundamental Research UAS_GKVK Campus Bellary Road Bangalore - 560 065 Phone: 080-3636421-31 Extn 3010 Fax : 080-3636662 Email:vasu@ncbs.res.in vasu_k(a)vsnl.net

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deleted items in text based clients
by Amish Munshi 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi, In mutt (or in any text based client) is there a way to move the deleted items into a specific folder like deleted items? I would prefer the one with pgp (gnupg) also possible. Bye. Amish K. Munshi ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

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MY ELX Linux & me
by Prince 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi there all of you i have installed ELX linux on my system SINGLE CD Linux - Biz version , easy to use ! this is kmail i am using to mail you all ! it's fantastic ! After installation : xmms with mp3 plug in open office fantastic look just as comfortable as windows [ M $ ] my doc , my computer & all that xine is not working [ i am trying to make it run or i will go for Mplayer ] wine is working my sound card detected [ ac 97 onboard on my Asus board ] mc , lynx are missing trying to make it as user friendly as i can ! _ Prince [ yashraj ]

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monitoring remote servers
by kapil_karekar＠vsnl.net 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

How to monitor web servers from a remote location to detect problems and to solve them? urgent !! please Kapil kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com

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Linux vs Windows as my selection.
by Amish Munshi 15 Nov '02

15 Nov '02

Hi, These are the practical reason why I have selected Linux as my OS. Windows : The only plus being is that it is easier to use. (no one will deny that) More support for games (But with a bad graphics card that I have, I hardly play any games on windows as well). Linux : No Viruses. Technically correct. Non - microsoft product (so it is out of dirt cheap politics) More flexible. I hold a prestigious place in my friend circle when I say that I know linux, since everyone knows that it is not that widely used so I got to be different. No formatting whenever you are in problems. You can pinpoint the problem and solve it without formatting and starting a fresh (This is actually the same as flexibility). More efficient code which improves my networking and hardware life. Last but not the least Power (You can smell the power of your computer, sweating and making noise when you are on linux) Selection is all yours. You pay $$$$$ for that one advantage of ease of use or the above listed points. Bye. Amish K. Munshi ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

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Linux Poll 1
by Prince 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Yes we should Create Poll " This is Poll 1 " [ you can put your subject in next poll , but please maintain Poll 's Serial number , creat your poll with name & your name's serials ] Lets take out the Subjects for Polling : 1] Which is Best : Billu baba's M$ windows or Linux ? Answer is Linux ! ........ [ ans is not going to change / " Lock kaar Diya Jaye " ] 2] most completed distro ? 3] mosr powerfull distro ? 4] most stable distro ? 5] which one you prefer ? 6] Fast distro ? Fast X-windows 7] KDE / GNOME ? 8] Linux should be in everyon's home pc : Yes / No 9] ISP preference win / LINUX ? 10] Programme Development Scope in Windows or Linux ? 12] ASP or PHP ? 13] which is Best Desktop Linux [ Easy to use for beginners ] 14] many more to come NEXT Time ! ##### Justify Your Answers if possible ! ########## Who is going to keep record of All Poll ratings ? _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Linux Publicity is important now
by Prince 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Subject: Linux Publicity Started in Mumbai Hello this is Yashraj , Remeber me [ the photographer in LINUX MEET + Linux Lover ] any way ! what i have done i will explain : i am back from PEN [ where my college is ] i put the complete idea abt Linux Awareness & Projects in front of HOD & Students association the seminar is fixed in FEB or so . The topics which i think to start with : 1] Easy way computing : that's abt M$ windows , cause people are using windows now ........so let's make clear abt nay of the doubts in that OS , giving the suggestion of TIPS & tricks & best softwares , easy softwares The Details : Easy Way Computing : Topics : Windows Environment Why Windows ? Overview of all the Best softwares for Windows Now how you use windows ? What maxmum you can do with windows ? What Professionals are doing with Windows ? Windows Operating in Most easy way Windows with " General Failure Error " Windows & MAC Windows & Linux Linux Awareness : Topics : What is Linux ? Why Linux ? Comparision between Windows & Linux Linux everywhere & no windows Linux Distributions * Linux's X-Windows Linux Applications * Industry Demand for Networking [ Network Engineers ] * Software Development in Windows & Linux * Hardware level / System Level Programming Future Scope in Linux , that's Job ! Use Linux & feel proud about it ! Projects for Engineering Students : Topics : Why not Software Projects ? Why software Projects ? What to Develop ? How to Develop ? What 's the value of our Project ? Relation of your Projects & Jobs Linux Platform for Development What you will Learn ? In future you will be with whome ? What you will know at the End of Project ? Join Linux User's Group & Open Source Revolution What about Scope in Hardware , Hardware - Software ? Does Networking comes under this ? Can we do or get Study Projects based on Latest Technology ? Are you Ready ? SourceForge Projects : Communications (6335 projects) Database (2499 projects) Desktop Environment (1474 projects) Education (1173 projects) Games/Entertainment (5937 projects) Internet (9823 projects) Multimedia (4808 projects) Office/Business (1848 projects) Other/Nonlisted Topic (1044 projects) Printing (174 projects) Religion (112 projects) Scientific/Engineering (3211 projects) Security (1106 projects) Sociology (124 projects) Software Development (6702 projects) System (7905 projects) Terminals (250 projects) Text Editors (1093 projects) ### i will be taking these things in college as a Seminar cum TALKSHOW ! ######## what you think abt it ? i want more material regarding projects ? software & hardware projects ? _ very important now do not ask me to search Sourceforge.net ,,,,,, i have seen , but at our best can provide or suggest to students that i want . still i think Degree eng . students do not get enough time to develop the projects . that's a fact ! so better we should see them in other way .......we can only make awareness of linux among them . for giving PROJECTS we sould find other audience [ other than deg. eng students , at least not in electronics ( Hardware ) ] we should approach Comouter branch & give a Try . if you want i can go to any of the college & will give brief idea abt " why Linux ? " to GET THEIR INTEREST not to teach them anything at that moment ! i have tried in my college like this : " they just know or may be not ( in some cases ] abt LINUX " , heard abt it " , haven't seen , Will only like know abt it , Not to use it at this moment ! _______ Students said so ! What i want from you is , the complete details ( in written format ) abt : Why LINUX ? Where can it can be ? why better than MS win ? which projects we can give ? who we are in LINUX World ? sir these details are EXTREMELY important ! i am Graphic gesigner so i will be able to make LINUX wallpaper [ by my own ] if get the BEST Punch lines & the above details ! so let me know abt what you think abt : My research on student my idea my vimp request abt linux pulicity material Yashraj _ iamprince _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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FSF India Volunteer Directory
by Nagarjuna G. 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

I hope many of you are aware FSF-India is maintaining a directory of Volunteers and also a Business Directory for companies dealing with free software support. Please visit the http://forum.gnu.org.in/Volunteers, and/or http://forum.gnu.org.in/bizdir. Nagarjuna

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IIT for the expo ...
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Hi, Jaju and I talked to Dr. Phatak some time ago, about our plans for the expo, PRC, regular workhshops etc. He has promised complete support from KReSIT towards the event. He also mentioned a new "Affordable Computing Lab" that will be started at KReSIT in a couple of months ... August or later seems like a good date, December or May is ideal for IIT. Those are the only two months when accomodation could be available ... Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "I understand this is your first dead client," Sabian was saying. The absurdity of the statement made me want to laugh but they don't call me Deadpan Allie and lie. -- Pat Cadigan, "Mindplayers"

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linux bom2003...dates 4 students
by Gurpreet Singh 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

hi all this is bout the dates of linux bombay 2003 although end feb or early march was perfect as far as students r concerned but i'll just summarize the dates that'll suite studentz in maharashtra. *feb/ march early - perfect coz itz thhe starting of the sem n ervery1 is kinda free * march is gud but dont get too deep in march * april wud be not so gud, a few enthu onez might come but most will back up coz of pracs * may n june can be ruled out for students * july wud be gr8 but i dunno bout the rainz * august is rainy too, but we have a plus bout the independence day * sept and later wud be tooo late ( i cant wait that long lol) CONCLUSION- feb or march wud be the best for students ( i dunno bout professionals) decide asap fellas gurpreet

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Linux Poll 1
by Prince 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Yes we should Create Poll " This is Poll 1 " [ you can put your subject in next poll , but please maintain Poll 's Serial number , creat your poll with name & your name's serials ] Lets take out the Subjects for Polling : 1] Which is Best : Billu baba's M$ windows or Linux ? Answer is Linux ! ........ [ ans is not going to change / " Lock kaar Diya Jaye " ] 2] most completed distro ? 3] mosr powerfull distro ? 4] most stable distro ? 5] which one you prefer ? 6] Fast distro ? Fast X-windows 7] KDE / GNOME ? 8] Linux should be in everyon's home pc : Yes / No 9] ISP preference win / LINUX ? 10] Programme Development Scope in Windows or Linux ? 12] ASP or PHP ? 13] which is Best Desktop Linux [ Easy to use for beginners ] 14] many more to come NEXT Time ! ##### Justify Your Answers if possible ! ########## Who is going to keep record of All Poll ratings ?

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RE:[OT] MS Eula prohibits .NET Benchmark Disclosures
by Sankha Subhra Som 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

> * you may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the > .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party > without Microsofts prior written approval. Yes heard of such tactics.A recent IEEE Spectrum issue had a feature on this specific type of arm twisting tech biggies are reverting to.Yes, it sucks. Cheers Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Tell me to 'stuff it'--I'm a taxidermist.

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libpcap & tcpdump alert
by Amol Hatwar 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

The latest sources of tcpdump and libpcap have trojan code. More details can be had here: http://www.net-security.org/news.php?id=1436 Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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Summary of discussions on the Bom-Linux Expo!
by Ritesh Kala 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

All this discussion was getting too difficult to follow. So I thought that a summary of the ideas till date would be nice! We could take pointers from other Linux Conferences like Banglore Linux 2002 (http://linux-bangalore.org) and LinuxWorld (www.linuxworld.de) Suggested dates (Timing) 1. End-Feb to Beginning - March: This may however not be suitable because an international level meet is being organized in Kerala by the govt with support from FSF-india. 2. end march to early may is not suitable as most corporates will be busy with accountsand year ending. Plus college / university exams are held around april / may. 3. July seems a better time....year-end is over, collegesabout to open, so students return to town, and generally considered dull period. 4. August: An idea to Couple it with Independence day celebrations has been suggested. Suggested Places Two places have been suggested so far: 1. IIT Campus, however someone suggested that a Conference held at IIT would be considered too technical to be of interested to the common users. 2. Nehru Science Centre 3. I would like to suggest that the place be as close to the centre of town as possible if we are expecting a large corporate turnout. The Bandra-Reclamation ground could be another option. Aim...to have the following core interests at heart. --> Conferences / Workshops/ Tech Presentations/ Competitions for Geeks/Programmers alike. --> Expo for commercial companies to demo/display their s/w and h/w products based based on FSF/OS tools. --> Get the Government to notice FSF/OS options. Invite dignitaries/Beureaucrats to be part of some key sessions involving FSF/OS implementations/pilots for the govt. --> Get major colleges and high schools as well as IIT to participate as they would provide a large audience. --> Get LUGs from other places to participate. Also find cheap accomodation for participants from outside Mumbai. Suggested places include YMCA and IIT hostels. --> Some fun events (Geeks vs. Nerds quiz? Geek of the yr. award?) Give away books on OSS by raffle / hourly quizzes. Oreilly/Wrox etc will be interested. --> A Professional Event Management firm could be used to handle the details. The acceptance of theis idea would ofcourse be based on the available money aand the numberr of volunteers we have. The cost of hiring one will be posted by Saswata some time soon. The main benefits of hiring an event maagement company would include the following as sugested by Saswata: The advantage would be that there is a strong business support backup. Things like sending out mailers, accepting registrations, collecting cheques and banking them, keeping track of budgets, making sure there are adequate trained personnel at the venue (pretty young girls for registrations, giving out the agenda, cds etc. -- every event has them), coording with the venue owners for seating, arrangements, lighting, OHPs, etc. If we dont have an event managemnt company doing the above, then we should have enough infrastructure and support system to do that type of work. I think you are talking of workshops and seminars where a large number of people would come over. (Mind you, I am not saying that volunteers from ILUG cannot do it, what I am saying is that there are hundreds of boring jobs which are to be done and these companies do it all the time, so for them it is child's play) --> We have to approach sponsors for the event. Also companies with commercial interest in mind (displaying their products) will be charged. Names like IBM, all time favourite RedHat, oracle have been suggested. --> What I'd really like to see is for the Expo to provide a recruitment office (??) for people who are intrested in contributing to the community in any way. Although the response may be half-hearted or flame out after a while, I think what really needs to be driven in the public consciousness is the fact that *YOU* can contribute. I mean, most people view Free/OSS software as just something to use, written by some ultra-smart geeks you have no hope of matching. A lot of help can be used, especially in non-programming tasks like indian-language localization, distribution, general help, etc. I suspect that there also might be programmers who are searching for a idea/project to contribute to (I know I am) so we could provide some sort of exchange for that... considering the variety of people planning to attend, it could be really useful :-) ( As contributed by Ashish Kulkarni) There are a few points to be taken care of: 1. The PRC site should be up and running. This would allow us to showcase the best projects. 2. The workshops should get underway. 3. Target audiences and speakers as well as topics have to be taken care of. 4. Hundreds of other things :) I think the December 8 meeting would be a really long one ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mûrphy rûñs thè wørld « It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. » -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FYI - Yahoo messenger port change
by Amish Mehta 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

No. Yahoo has its chat server open on many ports(so that it works through most of firewalls). And I have noticed many times that windows client, if it fails for some reason to connect on 5050 port, it tries ftp, telnet, even http ports. it must be some temporary problem on port 5050 that too on server you might be trying to connect. Yahoo chat servers are generally csNN.msg.sc5.yahoo.com where NN is number. Amish. Philip S Tellis wrote: > >It appears that the port number for yahoo messenger has changed. While >windows clients don't have a problem, the linux client has the port >number written in its .ymessenger/preferences file

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Google and HCI
by Amol Hatwar 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

People interested in HCI may want to check this out: http://www.goodexperience.com/columns/02/1015google.html Its an interview with Marissa Mayer, Google.com's product manager and has many revelations on UI Design. -ah.

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(no subject)
by amit kalyani 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

If I want to install ghostview how can I do it. In general what is the way to install a new software on the system in linux OS. Please reciprocate. thanks, amit. Amit R. Kalyani M-Tech Civil (structures) Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, Powai, Mumbai-400076. Hostel 4, Room no: 379. phone:5721008,5720194.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
by vinayak 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: Hanisha Vaswani <hanishav(a)yahoo.com> Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom? though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... ---------- ---------- I totally agree with the above point. By taking care of the logistics ourselves, we will be be able to control and conduct the event better than an event management company. ----------- ----------- an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] ---------- ---------- Also since this is slightly different event (I am talking about philosophy of free software Vs sell-sell-sell/FUD about others ideology of the corporates of the IT world) corporate events), it would be better if we manage it ourselves and get the message across. --------- --------- which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams --------- --------- of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter --------- --------- But I believe the effort will be worth it. ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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LINK: Don't Bill the Gates (Important/Long)
by Frederick Noronha 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mahesh Murthy" <mahesh(a)passionfund.com> To: <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:44:49 +0530 Subject: [india-gii] Sneak Preview of Business Today Column on Gates' visit Since we are on the topic, and at least some of us seem to be thinking alike, here is the column that should appear in Business Today next Monday: ----- Don't Bill the Gates. Let's take the billionaire's healthcare handouts, and turn down the software handcuffs. By the time this article comes out, the world's richest man would have been here and gone. From what I hear around me, our state governments are in a tizzy, competing to outdo each other to dazzle the gent. All in a hope to get some of his cash into their state. Nothing wrong with any of this. But let's look a little closer at why the Chief Software Architect is taking 4 days out of that hyper-valuable time to hobnob with our CMs and CEOs. He's not really here because we need his money. He's here because he needs ours. Think about it - Microsoft has seen off legal challenges to its Windows monopoly. But never before has it seen such a strong marketplace challenge - in the form of the open source operating system called Linux. Linux is all the things a developing economy like India needs - open, well-documented, stable, secure, accepted worldwide - and, best of all, virtually free. Governments around the world, from Peru to the United Kingdom have begun insisting on open source to power their national initiatives. India is not far behind - Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka were among the first to direct atleast some of their IT buyers to first look at open source for solutions, and only later, at proprietary systems like Microsoft before placing orders. This worries the famously paranoid Redmonders. Small wonder that the CMs of these very states are on Bill's list of people to schmooze on this trip. "Hey buddy, I'll come and throw a few scraps your way from my private jet - but, pal, you gotta buy Microsoft." Governments and their directives are not Bill's only worries. India isn't that large a market for software - we barely account for 1% of Microsoft's sales. But the fact is that we are home to 10% of the world's software developers - and Billy boy just doesn't want Coder Coomaraswamy to go over to the Linux side of the development fence. Corporations around the world want lower cost, more supportable and stable solutions. And the nightmare of India becoming one of the world's strong Linux-based development centers has ensured that our Ambanis, Tatas and Narayanamurthy's get treatment on par with our Chief Ministers. The message again: "Stay with Microsoft and we can beat off those Open-source Outlaws and bring the world back to a place where a monopolist can still make a decent living." The trip is done and over with now - and hopefully some of the glamour and space-cadet glow would have faded from those who wanted to be photographed with His Billness. Time for a reality check. For buyers, it's time to consider how the very nature of software is changing. From a point where the internet offered the ultimate open, extensible infrastructure we now have offerings like Microsoft's Palladium which, in the supposed name of security, takes the free, open nature of TCP/IP: the platform under the internet, and adds proprietary bits that will ensure that Microsoft controls and gets paid virtually every time you go out of the gate onto the net. You will also see new Microsoft licensing models that force you to pay subscriptions from now till forever for whatever you use. You don't have to accept it if you don't want to. There are alternatives. Further, you will hear standard Microsoft FUD, as they call it themselves (rumours that add to Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) that Linux is more expensive than Windows to implement. This is Redmond's new global anti-Linux positioning - once they realized their earlier "Linux is un-American and un-capitalistic" line actually ended up making it more popular. Don't take anybody's word for it. Do your own study, arrive at your own conclusions. More FUD is expected that Linux is insecure - but this coming from notoriously bug-infested Microsoft is like Saddam suddenly evangelizing humane democracy. If you're a developer, keep an equally open mind. There are advantages to being part of the Microsoft camp, especially if you want framed photographs you can show your grandchildren - or your customers live under a rock and will buy MS, no questions asked. For others, there is a global market for Linux-based solutions that is rapidly developing. You will have to re-adjust your thinking. And as far as the Bill and Melinda Foundation to eradicate AIDS? A wonderful effort by all means. The NGOs among you should strive to seek connections and funding. And having to write up your reports in Word or Excel is a small price to pay. --------------------- From: "Mahesh Murthy" <mahesh(a)passionfund.com> To: <india-gii(a)lists.cpsr.org> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:59:55 +0530 Subject: [india-gii] Reposting column on BillG's visit A few of you have asked for permission to repost this column. Please feel free to do so at will, <with attributions to Business Today and hopefully, me;)> Also there's a rabid discussion on /. about the general topic: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/11/185237&mode=nested&tid=109 Mahesh mahesh(a)passionfund.com

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URL of RMS article...
by Frederick Noronha 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Vinayak, It's at eians.com. But you won't be able to check out that site, since it is only open to newspaper subscribers. Some of the articles are not available or accessible via websites, and it's mostly these that I post. If the load is too much, I'll go slow on that. But sometimes it helps speedy discussion (specially for those of us who have *very* limited to the WWW). FN > hello Frederick, > > I apprieciate your postings of new aricles on this > group. But please mail the urls and not the content > of the articles. Those who are interested will then > follow the url and bookmark it for future references. > > ***************** > Vinayak Hegde > APGDST Student > NCST-JUHU. > ***************

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Trevor?
by Amol Hatwar 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Trevor, Its 10 PM. Well take your time... ruminate on my words. But at least stick to your words. Regards, Amol.

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LinuxWorld Expo ideas
by Ashish Kulkarni 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi, I'm another lurker coming out of the woodworks.. ;-) What I'd really like to see is for the Expo to provide a recruitment office (??) for people who are intrested in contributing to the community in any way. Although the response may be half-hearted or flame out after a while, I think what really needs to be driven in the public consciousness is the fact that *YOU* can contribute. I mean, most people view Free/OSS software as just something to use, written by some ultra-smart geeks you have no hope of matching. A lot of help can be used, especially in non-programming tasks like indian-language localization, distribution, general help, etc. I suspect that there also might be programmers who are searching for a idea/project to contribute to (I know I am) so we could provide some sort of exchange for that... considering the variety of people planning to attend, it could be really useful :-) Although this may be OT and politically incorrect, I'd also like to put up a small *BSD booth at the Expo. I use and like FreeBSD also, and I personally feel it is a shame there's not enough public consciousness about them. I don't want to start a BSD vs Linux flamewar, just want to let people know they have have a choice in free OSes, too. timing of the Expo: All us engg. students have exams in June/July, so it'd be ideal for it to be in Feb/March/April-start or even later in August, like someone pointed out. Thanks, - A. ------------------------------------------------------------- If I have an apple, and give you the apple, I have no apples. If I have an idea, and give it to you, we both have the idea.

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Feedback... Businessworld on *War for India's software soul*
by Frederick Noronha 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Some feedback to Charles Assisi's recent article WAR FOR INDIA'S SOFTWARE SOUL, starting with the positives: * Charles's consistent interest in IT-for-development issues is to be appreciated. * This argument of Microsoft's eagerness to keep a grip on the Indian developer is an interesting contribution to the debate. * This kind of focus for GNU/Linux would make a whole lot of people sit up and take note. But then.... Some of the problem areas of the article are, to me, the follows: o Charles uncritically buys some FUD arguments from Microsoft. (Paid employees are called 'evangelists'... there is a hint that FLOSS might *not* actually reduce the cost of software ... the argument that all users of unauthorised software could actually pay for and buy Microsoft products one day... even bogus arguments like the "lack of unity" among GNU/Linux distros are accepted at face value.) o Nowhere is the issue of freedom -- so important to the programmer, user and indirectly even the businesshouse -- raised in the debate. The reader doesn't get a hint that Free Software is more than just trying to get a cheaper product. o The term Linux, as has been pointed out, describes only the kernel. Even if it's lengthier, the more appropriate term would be GNU/Linux. This is *not* an issue for 'purists' only. o Conceptually, there is a mix-up over the term 'free' (which refers to 'freedom' not price, even if price does come down in the bargain). o This confusion leads to the wrong questions being raised -- "If Linux is a free OS, why are Red Hat and others charging for it?" o Wrong questions raised -- "If I use Linux, can I still use Word and Excel?" Why would anyone want to? It's like asking, if I wear a kurta, can I wear a shirt? Why would you want to? Maybe, "If I use GNU/Linux, could I do wordprocessing and spreadsheets or access data generated from these?" might be appropriate. o We're told that "[GNU/]Linux exists" in many prominent institutions. That's not saying much. To what level is applied? Is this significant, marginal, irrelevant? Difficult to get figures perhaps... but it needs to be done. o "Language fonts for Linux are now available for practically every Indian language..." Wish this were true. o Some of the examples of India's contribution to GNU/Linux (even if taken from my http://linuxinindia.pitas.com) are not the best of examples... Clearly, lot more work remains on unearthing this aspect. o Eight-pieces-of-unlicensed-software for every authorised copy, there fore the market size is XXXX... this is very misleading logic. Would every unauthorised copy user go in for an authorised copy of non-free software if charged at current prices? It's good that this article gives GNU/Linux the attention it deserves (even if it overlooks the GNU contribution). But then, a little sharper focus could have surely helped. The programmer who has build up the product over the years don't get much of a voice too. Clearly, the GNU/Linux impact on Indian business, science, education is far from adequately catalogued. We've got quite some work to be done on this. FN

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LinuxWorld Expo?
by Amol Hatwar 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Linuxworld Expo... lets investigate if it can be a trademark infringement or something.... http://www.linuxworld.de I suggest, why not have a different mailing-list for the Linuxworld thingy, I could see a lot of mails relating to it. Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
by Tahir Hashmi 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Event Title: GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 Dates: End Feb / Early March (Not early/mid Feb please!) Duration: 3 days / 1 week Objectives: [1] Conference on GNU/Linux, FS/OSS [2] Exhibition of FS/OSS Student Projects from across the nation [3] Stalls for commercial activity related to hardware/software [4] Some fun events (Geeks vs. Nerds quiz? Geek of the yr. award?) [5] Promotion of GNU/Linux user networking (Stalls of various LUGs) [6] A press conference a day ?? DETAILS: [1] This is quite well-known to us and needs no elaboration [2] We provide a display area for students to demo their FS/OSS projects. "Students" means people who are not employed/have been employed earlier and are studying in an educational institution, incl. an open university. [3] People desirous of Commercial activity will be charged for space. It would be great if we can have assemblers there who can offer pre-loaded PCs... how about a workshop for these before the event? Cheap CDs, on-the-spot installation etc. could be possible attractions. [4] Ah! what's an expo without fun? [5] We've gotta have a platform for representatives of various LUGs across India share information, develop contacts and highlight their achievements and aspirations. [6] Sounds incredible but who knows, the Press might actually be interested. Anyway, we can post daily coverage on the web. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To qualify for exhibition in the Expo, any given software may or may not be proprietary. However, the software MUST be available for GNU/Linux or any other FS/OSS based platform. This is necessary since there's no dearth of Free Software available for other dominant proprietary platoforms. Attendance the conference must be charged. Entry to the Expo however should be inexpensive. I am in favor of a nominal (say Rs. 10 to 30) entry fee for the expo too avoid wanderers on the site. Only stalls being covered under [3] must be charged. [4] May have an entry fee for participation but definitely not for audience. Let us not think of management (outsourced vs. voluntary) currently. Of course, Saswata, Gurpreet and other volunteers can collect details about professional management and have them ready when the time for decision comes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Everyone is free to comment on the above, make additions/changes/deletions and even fubar it. --- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Linux-Bom?
by Hanisha Vaswani 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

hi guys, i have been a member of the list for nearly a year now, but i mostly lurk, just trying to assimilate random bits of Linux-gyan from the more experienced LUGgers the recent posts regarding the Linux - Bombay 2002[3?] prompted me to post though -- especially once the talk began moving towards a 'lets-hire-WizCraft / 360 degrees / ' kind of thread though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams now for the alternative... who says we cant put up a 'professional' event on our own ? all of us have some special skill which we can bring to the table... and most have probably been involved in some sort of event at some level [ organising / volunteering / participating ].... it only needs time, and since not many may be able to afford dedicating a burst of time a month before the event, what must happen is that the preliminary details must be hammered out soon -- discussions can be done over mail [ like its already happening ] and concrete steps [ looking at choices of venues, sub-events, etc] can be carried out over weekends of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter apologies again for the rant cheers, Hanisha P.S. : don't worry, even the 'smart-chicks' can be arranged, and we won't even have to fill some super-greedy event-management company's overflowing coffers for it __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2

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Linux-Bom?
by Hanisha Vaswani 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

hi guys, i have been a member of the list for nearly a year now, but i mostly lurk, just trying to assimilate random bits of Linux-gyan from the more experienced LUGgers the recent posts regarding the Linux - Bombay 2002[3?] prompted me to post though -- especially once the talk began moving towards a 'lets-hire-WizCraft / 360 degrees / ' kind of thread though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams now for the alternative... who says we cant put up a 'professional' event on our own ? all of us have some special skill which we can bring to the table... and most have probably been involved in some sort of event at some level [ organising / volunteering / participating ].... it only needs time, and since not many may be able to afford dedicating a burst of time a month before the event, what must happen is that the preliminary details must be hammered out soon -- discussions can be done over mail [ like its already happening ] and concrete steps [ looking at choices of venues, sub-events, etc] can be carried out over weekends of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter apologies again for the rant cheers, Hanisha P.S. : don't worry, even the 'smart-chicks' can be arranged, and we won't even have to fill some super-greedy event-management company's overflowing coffers for it __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2

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Micro. Anti-trust.
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Among other recent measures, Microsoft recruited perhaps India's best-known software executive, N. R. Narayana Murthy, the chairman of a leading software exporter, Infosys Technologies, to endorse Microsoft's technologies in large newspaper ads. The headline on one quoted Mr.Murthy as saying: "When I saw Windows XP in action, I was amazed. How did Microsoft get hold of my wish list?" Is that a secret anymore, this is the proof of anti-trust case. Just a joke. Amish K. Munshi ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.===

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[OT] Why not to use MS Word attachments
by Philip S Tellis 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

OT here, but useful if you need to make a counter argument against someone who sends you Word files. http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/scc38/1583/emailtg1/msg00004.html Philip -- But, for my own part, it was Greek to me. -- William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar"

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GNU/Linux Bombay 2002
by Frederick Noronha 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Organization: Media Lab Asia Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Lets have our own Linux Bombay 2002 Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Hello Luggers..;) Check out the Professionally arranged....LB 2002 http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/ Lets have a professionally managed show for people in and around Bombay/Maharashtra too...wat say..?? Trevor -- 2002 is almost getting over. Keep it in 2003... we in Goa would like to participate in some way. Other younger LUGs (e.g. at Belgaum) could also be involved. What say? FN

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #677 - 13 msgs
by kshitijv 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi quasi, I am interested in knowing the details of changes you made to linc. But tell me, are you able to connect to Net from multiple OSs (Windows98, Windows2000, Linux, etc). As per the discussion on group its clear now that 24Online Server checks for MAC address. But in my case its same across the OSs. (as shown by sniffer program). Do I need to do0 any extra configuration? Is it possible to change the MAC address? -Kshitij > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:10:05 +0530 > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > From: q u a s i <quasar(a)vsnl.net> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 24 Online Clients > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > At 04:18 even 11/11/02 +0000, MiTuL wrote: > >I have not been able to find any work around yet ..(unless you tell your > >provider not to lock your MAC address..which i guess he wont do ..atleast > >my provider doesnt :( ) > > I am slightly confused as to what 'workaround' you are talking about. For > 24online system, atleast, if you use the same NIC then the problem is only > with the configuration - it should work on all OS where you can get a > client (I know of Win9x/XP & GNU/Linux). I am successfully using it Linux > with linc. But I had to perform a minor hack on linc for it to work. If > anyone is interested I will give details of what I had to do. > > quasi > kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #677 - 13 msgs
by kshitijv 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi quasi, I am interested in knowing the details of changes you made to linc. But tell me, are you able to connect to Net from multiple OSs (Windows98, Windows2000, Linux, etc). As per the discussion on group its clear now that 24Online Server checks for MAC address. But in my case its same across the OSs. (as shown by sniffer program). Do I need to do0 any extra configuration? Is it possible to change the MAC address? -Kshitij > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:10:05 +0530 > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > From: q u a s i <quasar(a)vsnl.net> > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 24 Online Clients > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > At 04:18 even 11/11/02 +0000, MiTuL wrote: > >I have not been able to find any work around yet ..(unless you tell your > >provider not to lock your MAC address..which i guess he wont do ..atleast > >my provider doesnt :( ) > > I am slightly confused as to what 'workaround' you are talking about. For > 24online system, atleast, if you use the same NIC then the problem is only > with the configuration - it should work on all OS where you can get a > client (I know of Win9x/XP & GNU/Linux). I am successfully using it Linux > with linc. But I had to perform a minor hack on linc for it to work. If > anyone is interested I will give details of what I had to do. > > quasi > kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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http://www.rediff.com/money/2002/nov/12gates.htm
by Ravindra Jaju 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Oops! And we want to rope in "officials" for the OSS movement!? -- jaju

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No reply?
by Amol Hatwar 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

I posted the letter here yesterday, so that not only Trevor but everyone could read it. I haven't got any bouquets or brickbats as of now... Wonder what's up? /me hauls Trevor! Regards, Amol Hatwar.

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NEWS: Gates threatening spirit of freedom -- free software guru
by Frederick Noronha 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Gates threatening spirit of freedom: free software guru >From Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, Nov 12 (IANS) Microsoft chairman Bill Gates threatens the spirit of freedom, the founder of the free software movement said here even as the world's richest man began a tour of India. Richard Stallman said in the Indian capital Monday evening that Microsoft and Gates -- who arrived here on a four-day visit the same day -- were perpetuating systems that threaten the freedom of computer users. Stallman was in the city to release his book "No Sir, No Monopoly! Free Software - A Perspective". Published by Prajashakti publishers, the book was released by B.K. Kcayla, convenor of the national working group on patent laws. Stallman, who has emerged as a symbol against everything that Bill Gates has stood for, is also the founder of the GNU software project out of which has emerged the Linux operating system -- available free or in low-cost software packages. Clad informally, Stallman seemed every inch the man he is reputed to be. After walking to the podium sans his shoes, Stallman said: "This is a struggle for freedom and independence. Non-free software, like the ones sold by Microsoft, divides people. "It is like not being allowed to share your favourite cooking recipes with your friends. One cannot exchange recipes, one cannot change the cooking nor does one know anything about the ingredients - that is the world of non-free software, developed by Microsoft. "It doesn't allow any software to be shared and one has to pay for running these programmes. In India, it would cost an enormous amount and a big drain on resources. "Non-free software violates the spirit of goodwill that is so important for human society and civilization. It is akin to the exploitative colonial system. "When Bill Gates donates computer systems to schools, it is like gifting cigarettes. It is initially free but when you get hooked you have to pay for it. Non-free software programmes are like that. It will be available free of cost but for a couple of years only." Gates is pledging a large donation to health projects in India through his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Said Stallman: "Gates is donating a small fraction of what he has squeezed out of computer users." "What India should do is to resist against non-free software collectively. The good effects of globalisation can come about only through the use of non-free software," Stallman argued. In India, Linux is used by less than 10 percent of the country's personal computers and server computers. India has an estimated half-million individual software developers. There are an estimated four million PCs in use in India among the nation's billion people. --Indo-Asian News Service

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] NEWS: Gates threatening spirit of freedom -- free software guru
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: Frederick Noronha <fred(a)bytesforall.org> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:09:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [ILUG-BOM] NEWS: Gates threatening spirit of freedom -- free software guru Gates threatening spirit of freedom: free software guru >From Indo-Asian News Service <snip> hello Frederick, I apprieciate your postings of new aricles on this group. But please mail the urls and not the content of the articles. Those who are interested will then follow the url and bookmark it for future references. ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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Sponsors... Debian... etc
by Frederick Noronha 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

But when it comes to idealism and sincerity of purpose... I guess, they're tops. Or do others have different evaluations? FN From: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" <sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in> Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 12:03:59PM +0530, Saswata Banerjee & Associates wrote: > You will need sponserors. I think IBM and oracle will be big targets, and > ofcourse, RedHat. I think ILUG members must be having contacts in these > companies. When it comes to advertising, what gets left out is Debian :-( Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay.

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Website updated with minutes of LUG meet @ HBCSE
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hello luggers, The website has been updated with the minutes of the LUG meet. The content is based on mails on this list (by Dinesh Shah / Philip Tellis) and my own edits. here is the URL. http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/meet/lug-meet-nov10-2002 ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 10nov meet photos
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 10nov meet photos ok, they are now permanently up at http://db.ilug-bom.org.in/lug-meetings/ Philip <snip> -------- "Light thodi kum hai na." just joking. LOL :)) -------- ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Yes, Feb/March was indeed rather early. For students projects, let's get the PRC site in place and send notifications to colleges so that students may register on the PRC. Later on, the most successful of the projects can be exhibited in the Expo. I can help with managing the content of PRC site once the set-up is ready. ------ in fact check out the site www.thefreespeech.org The site is good enough for groupware it seems. Only we need a sourforge like cvs repository. Mr Nagarjuna and Mr Shah are setting it up as discussed in the LUG meeting. ------ ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Event Title: GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 Dates: End Feb / Early March (Not early/mid Feb please!) ----- i second this (Not early/mid Feb please!) ----- Duration: 3 days / 1 week Objectives: [1] Conference on GNU/Linux, FS/OSS [2] Exhibition of FS/OSS Student Projects from across the nation ---- Maybe we can have some kind of preliminary contest for the finals @ the expo. ---- [3] Stalls for commercial activity related to hardware/software ----- IBM,Redhat,TCS,etc will be interested. will bring in money to fund the event. Concessions for small companies who are starting out??? ----- [4] Some fun events (Geeks vs. Nerds quiz? Geek of the yr. award?) ----- Give away books on OSS by raffle / hourly quizzes Oreilly/Wrox etc will be interested. ----- [5] Promotion of GNU/Linux user networking (Stalls of various LUGs) [6] A press conference a day ?? ----- This I believe is mandatory. ----- To qualify for exhibition in the Expo, any given software may or may not be proprietary. However, the software MUST be available for GNU/Linux or any other FS/OSS based platform. This is necessary since there's no dearth of Free Software available for other dominant proprietary platoforms. Attendance the conference must be charged. Entry to the Expo however should be inexpensive. I am in favor of a nominal (say Rs. 10 to 30) entry fee for the expo too avoid wanderers on the site. Only stalls being covered under [3] must be charged. [4] May have an entry fee for participation but definitely not for audience. Let us not think of management (outsourced vs. voluntary) currently. Of course, Saswata, Gurpreet and other volunteers can collect details about professional management and have them ready when the time for decision comes. <snip> ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] NY Times story on Gates' India trip
by vinayak 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi tahir, The story on nytimes is excellent. Two point stand out in the story. 1> All this talk of AIDS in india is blown up. Star news had a story in which the health minister. Mr Shatrughan Sinha disputed the figures quoted by bill gates saying that they were out of proportion. No one is buying the M$ FUD that M$ is trying to help India. Almost all believe that M$ is eeing the Indian market after losing out china to Linux. 2> The government itself is thinking of implementing it's e-governance initiative by using linux. However it's sad that Narayanmurthy is doing Ads 4 M$. -----Original Message----- From: Tahir Hashmi <code_martial(a)softhome.net> To: linuxers <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:10:46 +0530 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] NY Times story on Gates' India trip <snip> ***************** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. ***************

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NY Times story on Gates' India trip
by Tahir Hashmi 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/11/technology/11GATE.html?ex=1037682000&en=a… Excellent story. Also check this Slashdot discussion: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=44770 -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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LB2002: Conference delegate registration begins...
by Frederick Noronha 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

URL : http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/participate/delegates/ Conference Delegate Registration System Please read this before continuing with the registration. Introduction Last year, we had an issue with more people at the venue than actuallyattending the talks. This caused a lot of inconvenience to people, becausethey had to stand in long queues, and our poor BLUG volunteers were tearingtheir hair out. Many people who stood in the queues actually did so because the event was free, and because registration would give them "attendance" in colleges and at work. While we are proud that principals and employers considered the event worthy of such recognition, we were quite upset about how it was misused by some people, and of course the inconvenience caused. Another problem was that of the people who registered online, very few people came with their registration codes/cards, causing our volunteers to have to re-enter everything. So, after a lot of deliberation, we have decided on the following system to ensure that only people actually interested in the event show up. Registration Charge 1. We are going to charge a gate fee of Rs.300 per head for people who have pre-registered online and bring their correct registration code (i.e. the printout of the registration card that you get to see when you register online). 2. We are going to charge a gate fee of Rs.500 for people who show up to register, but have not registered online or who do not have a valid registration code with them. The money we collect is *not* for our coffers, or even for the event. Instead, every delegate will receive a Conference T-Shirt (valued atRs.150) and food coupons for all three days (valued at Rs.150).This is, of course, in addition to any handouts that our sponsors give us toinclude in delegate kits. What this means is that while delegates have to pay Rs.300 to attend the event (Rs.500 for those lazy guys who make us work extra hard), they will receive at least Rs.300 worth stuff in return - thereby rendering the actual cost of attending the event to zero. What does this mean? 1. You *will* have to spend some money to attend the event. The amount is low enough to be attractive to even the poorest student - with 70 talks, an exhibition and tons of other stuff, plus the food coupons and T-Shirt, this is a total steal. 2. If you are in it for the attendance only, and wish to sneak off even after paying - well, you are the proud owner of a t-shirt and food coupons that you cannot use anywhere but at the event. 3. If you are really not interested and don't want to spend money, then you don't have to. While we recognise that some people are likely to complain about not getting in for free, we have to look at the greater good. Please note: 1. The people who don't register online also affect our estimates on how many T-shirts are required. On the other hand, so do people who register but don't show up. 2. The food coupons are not encashable, nor is any other part of the package (i.e. the T-Shirt). You pay, you get, you use. No discounts because "I don't need the T-Shirt" or "I am on a diet". 3. Food is veggie only, and fixed menu. We eat our own dogfood - complaints about food quality (if any) should take into account that the managers will eat the same stuff you will. 4. Extra T-Shirts will not be available. However, if you anticipate the need for extra T-shirts, register twice, pay twice, and Bob's your uncle. ;-) About the T-Shirts: The T-Shirts will have the conference Logo on the left breast, and the Conference name on the back, with the Platinum sponsor's logo on the sleeves. We cannot guarantee T-shirts to people who don't pre-register. Quantities (with reasonable margins) will be based on the number of pre-registrations via the CDRS. Even if enough T-shirts are available, we cannot guarantee sizes for people who do not pre-register. (In fact, we do not guarantee anything except that a good time will be had by all.) About the registration cards: When you register, you will receive a conference deletgate pass which you *MUST* display whenever you enter the premises or any area within the premises (such as an auditorium). It is common for people to have the pass on the first day and forget it at home (or lend it to a cheapskate friend) on the second and third day. I am afraid that will result in your eviction. Moral of the story: DON'T LOSE YOUR DELEGATE PASS! This is especially important on evening of the last day's Mondo Major Monster BLUG meet and the "cultural programme" (he he he - maha-evil chuckle, accompanied by sinister rubbing of hands, bolts of lightning, crash of thunder...), which will take place in an auditorium that can accommodate no more than 1000 people who will keep perfectly still and seated - a most unlikely scenario given the programme... Seats We do not guarantee the availability of seats at talks. First come, first served. We will be happy to reserve seats for people who are willing to pay the value of the event to them, but then we don't think even Bill Gates has that much money ;-) Register OK, you may now spend 5 minutes flaming us for "commercialising the event", "violating the spirit of Linux" and "being the Microsoft of the Linux world" , after which you may click on the link below to register as a delegate for the event. ;-) Please note that you don't have to pay to register - you only have to pay when you actually show up at the event. [15][Register] References 1. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/ 2. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/about/ 3. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/updates/ 4. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/participate/ 5. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/schedules/ 6. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/photos/ 7. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/press/ 8. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/discussions/ 9. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/guides/ 10. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/sponsors/ 11. http://linux-bangalore.org/2001/ 12. http://linux-bangalore.org/ 13. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/credits/ 14. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/contact/ 15. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/participate/delegates/index2.php 16. http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/sponsors/

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nice work done
by Prince 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

this is Yashraj how abt my digi cam snap , actually i do not believe the snaps taken in tubelight Light but those are ok ! hope you like the snaps _ yashraj

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24 Online Clients
by kshitijv 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi Mitul, Thanks for prompt reply. I am aware of "linc". I have tried it also and able to connect to my ISP. But, my problem is, my ISP has configured the server software so that I can login from only one OS. E.g. if I login from WIN2000 for first time, I will have to use WIN2k for accessing the Net. I will not be able to login from Linux or even WIN98 afterwards. It says "You are not allowed to login from this machine". I actually wonder how the server software is identifying that I am trying to login from different OS. The hardware (i.e. Machine) is the same. It is just the case of multibooting system. I have checked that the port used by the client software on WIN98 and Win2k is different. Is it the cause of problem? If yes, how can I force the client to use same port across all OSs that I have? -Kshitij > From: "Mitul Limbani " <mitul(a)mitul.com> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 24Online Client for Linux and Multiboot systems > Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:21:20 GMT > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > Relax dude, > > We are all over it now ;) > > check out > linc.sourceforge.net > > search for cyberoam on sf .. u will get that too. > > Best Regards, > Mitul Limbani > CTO, > Enterux Solutions kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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change in telephone numbers
by Harsh R Busa 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi All Please update your Phone Books, all telephone numbers of MTNL Bombay will carry a dialing prefix of digit "2" as a part of their system upgradation program, in effect from 00:00 10th Nov 2002 (IST) ie 18:30 9th Nov 2002 (GMT) Mobile phone numbers and telephone numbers of other telephone service providers will remain unaffected. Regards Harsh R Busa

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10nov meet photos
by Prince 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Group name : ilugmail Group home page : http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/ilugmail Group email : ilugmail(a)yahoogroups.co.in Be a member & check out the Photos ! _ Yashraj

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Re: Re: 24 Online Clients
by kshitijv 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi Mitul, I have a single Network card and it's my home machine. Single machine, single NIC, multiboot (WIN2K, WIN98 and Linux) system. I have checked MAC addresses using sniffers. In both cases WIN2K & WIN98, they are same. The difference is in the lenght of Login message (raw bytes) sent to the server. Also the ports used by 24 Online client on 2 OSs are different. My concern is not about continuos availabity of connection, but to connect from multiple OSs. -Kshitij > Message: 13 > From: "Mitul Limbani " <mitul(a)mitul.com> > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 24 Online Clients > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:59:14 GMT > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > AAggggh.... > > Here i know exactly wat is the problem... > u having two network cards on ur machine ?? > if yes then u got to either stick to only one OS permanently, coz u need to > tell ur ISP to reset your MAC Address Information and then go in Linux and > login there, and then never ever u can login frm win2k ;) (coz i dont know > y is that so ... but it is like that ...) > > and linc is the only one which keeps your connection on n on n on ... the > 24online linux client given doesnt give constant connection. > so take that extra pain n find out the login code :) > > should u need any thing, let me know. > > Best Regards, > Mitul Limbani > (mitul 2 mitul.com) kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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Minutes of LUG meet on 10th Nov. 2002
by Dinesh Shah 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi All, As usual the meeting formally started late @ 5:00 pm though the announced time was 4:30. In fact an informal meet was going on in the HBCSE canteen, and we have call the people from there to start the meet formally. :-) We started the meeting with introductions as there where many new faces, who were attending the meeting for first time. There were 29! members present in the meeting. :-) Sundeep gave a very insight full talk on various Free and Open Source Licenses in use by various developers and what does it mean to an average user and a possible developers. He covered following 4 prominent licenses widely used by developers. 1. X, BSD and Apache License. 2. GPL (General Public License) 3. Artistic License (Perl?) 4. MPL (Mozilla Public License. We also learned that, the most common aspect all licenses are that, software covered by them comes without any explicit or implied warranty. Also only GPL and MPL are written by either Law Professors or Lawyers and only they have any chance of standing in Court of Law. However, so far this has not happened. During Sandeep's presentation it became very clear that only GPL protects developers and users *rights* and *freedom* absolutely. That is why some times GPL is referred to as copyleft. Also during the discussion, Philip told us how a guy has written a proprietary instant messaging application using the library (libyahoo2) developed by him and how he circumvent the GPL. Then many people very curious to know the reaction and feeling of Philip. :-) In all, it was a wonderful presentation by Sandeep, where he covered most of the aspects of Free and Open Source licenses. Thanks Sundeep on behalf of LUG for such a nice presentation. We took a tea break @ 6:00 and as alway, very generous Dr. Nagarjun sponsored the tea for the attendee. (I strongly feel that we should do something is this regard. How about voluntary contribution or may be a nominal set fee for attending the meets say in the range of Rs. 10.00 to Rs. 50.00? This is just an idea, all suggestions are welcome, all flames >/dev/null :-)) We assemble again at 6:30 and Dr. Nagarjun talked about PRC (Project Resource Center) for students and various other activities for proposed Developers Network. The idea was to get more projects and invite more mentors for the PRC. We also found many volunteers for various task that needs to be done. Harsh Busa and Kapil will redesign and maintain web site. Amish Munshi and Ritesh Kale will co-ordinate LUG meets. Dr. Nagarjun and I will look after the server. It is decided that now LUG meets will be regularly done every second Sunday of the month. (Amish / Ritesh start inviting speaker and finalize the topic(s) for the next meet :-)) Also Dr. Nagarjun has generously offered the venue for all future meets. But we should also find other venues in various locations so more people for various other areas can also participate. In all, it was a nice meet almost after an year!!! LUGers see you all in next LUG meet on 8th Dec. 2002. PS: Kapil / Harsh Pls put this minutes on the LUG site as soon as u can. Pls edit correct as required. TIA Thanks for your overwhelming presence and warm response. With warm regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)shahmicro.com dinesh(a)indiamail.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 56919423 Tel: (+91-22) 26747120

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name
by Hrushikesh Tilak 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

I wonder how they generate the image based on the input. >From: "vinayak" <vinayak(a)myrealbox.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:56 +0550 > >Enter your name in the textbox @ the following page >and your will be amused with the result. > >http://www.brunching.com/cyborger.html > >If you don't like the generated output , >don't flame me ;-). Be careful it can be addictive. ;-) > >---> >Vinayak Hegde > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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lets have our own linux bombay 02
by Gurpreet Singh 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

hi fellows linux bombay 2002 or make that 03 soundz very very exciting.... I AM IN. i can start collecting masses from my part of the state and advertize in my sweet way. if thats scheduled for feb, i am in for anything that i can do. i've had some experiences with event management in college, but this wud need some real professionalism. and if its an expo... heard of pragati maidan?? its where all the exhibitions are held in delhi. my dad works in there so we can get some tips frm him(infact when i told him bout linux, he found the idea interesting). so thats how i can HELP nice idea but. whoz idea... that must be trevor, am i right?? gurpreet

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie
by vinayak 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hello Prakash, Can we have a copy. I am ready to provide the media. --> Vinayak Hegde -----Original Message----- From: Prakash Advani <prakash(a)indlinux.org> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: 09 Nov 2002 15:46:41 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie I made a small improvement to the CD which Trevor gave me. The CD boots Linux, starts mplayer and plays the movie :) PS: Used Movix for it. Regards Prakash _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Digital Signature
by Amish K. Munshi 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I just noticed that the digitally signed messages from my Kmail (1.4.3) is not recognised as a valid signature. Same is the case for vice-versa. Isnt there any standard for digital signatures, and how to organizations work with different mail clients (that is if they do work with different mail clients) when their digital signatures do not work. Bye. - -- Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/sign.txt to obtain a Public key of my digital signatute. Please verify always that the mail originates from me before reading the contents of the mail using any opensource encryption software such as gnupg or openpgp. Get in touch with me at ICQ 85730949 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zdKO6apqhFnXaBMRAiupAKCR8Dsa6NIin8IE93CrsVhc1M0x/ACdGlbE T9zJjC3AS0d2VgxCIF/4uao= =wMwX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name
by vinayak 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi Hrushikesh, Actually there are libraries availablw which let you generate images such as gdchart. You just need to write a server side script to generate the text and the image ---> Vinayak Hegde -----Original Message----- From: "Hrushikesh Tilak" <hg_tilak(a)msn.com> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:41:41 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name I wonder how they generate the image based on the input. >From: "vinayak" <vinayak(a)myrealbox.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Acronymize your name >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:56 +0550 > >Enter your name in the textbox @ the following page >and your will be amused with the result. > >http://www.brunching.com/cyborger.html > >If you don't like the generated output , >don't flame me ;-). Be careful it can be addictive. ;-) > >---> >Vinayak Hegde > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Trevor's sample letter
by Amol Hatwar 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi Trevor, Find your sample letter attached. Hope it fits the bill :) Regards, Amol Hatwar

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux - The Movie
by Bhargav Bhatt 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hey, Its too big to put on my university server. Thats the only public one i have access to. So, i will put it up on my own ftp server. The connection might break sometimes(once in 2 days) due to a reboot, but other than that u should have no problems accessing it. ftp://thecode:thecode@orca.wien.rhno.columbia.edu:21 Let me know if u are having any more problems. On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:02:29PM -0500, Bhargav Bhatt wrote: > If u still want to download it instead of getting it from someone on CD then > let me know. I will put it up on my ftp server. > Dont hesitate. > Actually I was trying say this but I don't what about copywrites etc.. So I didn't ask. But thank you very much - you asked me for that. Yes please put it somewhere and give me the url. warm regards. -- Pankaj Jangid Education Technology Unit, NCST On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 01:11:56AM -0800, Satya wrote: > On Oct 14, 2002 at 15:36, Bhargav Bhatt wrote: > > >There is an excellent documentary on Linux, available for free download on > >ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/video/The_Code-Linux.avi Not able to connect ERROR: connection timed out. -- Pankaj Jangid Education Technology Unit, NCST

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Re: Disclaimer Problem
by Kiran Nadgir 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

I don't put the disclaimer in the mail...it comes from the corporate mail server....and i don't think such an ISSUE should be made out of it.......and i don need ur warning.....u can unsubscribe me from the list if its such a problem for u.....but dont give me any warnings or anything of that sort....u might b a gr8 lugger but u aint a considerate human being. rgds, kiran nadgir ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 6922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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Disclaimer Problem Part -2
by Kiran Nadgir 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

And BTW phillips....The mailing list GUIDELINES dont talk anything about Disclaimers ......So please either change the guidelines or stop issuing warnings just for the heck of it. rgds, kiran nadgir ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 6922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> To: <kirann(a)mahindrabt.com> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Welcome to the "Linuxers" mailing list (Digest mode) > Welcome to the Linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in mailing list! Welcome to > the GNU/Linux User Group of Bombay (ilug-bom)! > > Now that you are a member you can read and post mails to the group. > The messages have to be related to propogating, using, > trouble-shooting, bug-fixing, of GNU/Linux operating system. 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rh 8 in delhi
by Gurpreet Singh 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

hi does anyone know of someone in delhi who can give us rh 8 CDs. i introduced a few of my frndz here to linux and they found it interesting. knoppix and bootcds are just gr8 for the introductions. gurpreet

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24Online Client for Linux and Multiboot systems
by kshitijv 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hello Luggers, I have recently subscribed to an ISP that provides Internet access over LAN. The ISP uses a software (24Online from elitecore) to validate users and track the usage for billing. I have 3 OSs viz, Win98,Win2000 and Linux. The ISP's client software does not have Linux version. Also once I connect through WIN98/Win2k I can't connect from the other OS. The server software doesn't allow me to login. Error message says "you are not allowed to login from this machine. I have checked the raw data sent by the client (from 2 OSs) to the server using sniffer programs and found them to be different. can anybody tell me how should I fix this? (If at all it's possible) -Kshitij kshitijv e-mail: kshitijv(a)forindia.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Re: 24 Online Clients
by quasar＠vsnl.net 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

kshitijv(a)forindia.com wrote >I have a single Network card and it's my home machine. >Single machine, single NIC, multiboot (WIN2K, WIN98 and Linux) >system. I have 3 OS and I can connect through all. The 24online client works well for win98SE as well as winXP. You have to configure your network properly in *all* the OS. >I have checked MAC addresses using sniffers. In both cases WIN2K & >WIN98, they are same. The difference is in the lenght of Login >message (raw bytes) sent to the server. Also the ports used by 24 >Online client on 2 OSs are different. ????? I fear this is not my experience. >My concern is not about continuos availabity of connection, but to >connect from multiple OSs. The 24online server identifies your machine with 3 things : IP, MAC-ADDR & and authentication string based on your password. For linux. I had to do a tiny hack to the linc code. It was about the length of one of the message fields. After recompilaton it worked fine. The instruction which come with linc are important.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] lets have our own linux bombay 02
by vinayak 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi, The People's Republic of China is emerging as one of the world's strongholds for the Linux operating system. According to a new report from Evans Data, nearly two-thirds of those Chinese developers that were surveyed (65 percent) expect to write an application for Linux in the next year. Close to half (44 percent) have already done so. Here's the whole story http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/10792_1494881 Another Reason why india needs to catch up Our Linux Expo will be another step in this direction. ---> Vinayak Hegde -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Warren <trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:32:28 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] lets have our own linux bombay 02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] 24 Online Clients
by Amish Mehta 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

kshitijv wrote: > afterwards. It says "You are not allowed to login from this machine". Hi, It doesnt check for OS, but it checks for IP and MAC address. Pls make sure your IP address is correct under Linux. Amish.

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Urgent help needed!Problem with win2000 and redhat linux 7.2
by rohit jain 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

hi luggers i have created 2 partitions on a 20 gb samsung drive c: & D:,i have installed win2000server on D: drive and after that i deleted c: and installed Redhat linux 7.2 on it.I have properly mentioned the information on lilo boot loader about both the os.I have set Win2000 as default os to load,but after the installation of linux and reboot the machine shows menu of os to be loaded and when i select win2000 it goes to dos,but when i select linux it works fine.I cant load win2000 server now,please help me i need urgent help. Thanks. rohit Baisakhiya. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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India Gates: Mixing Business with Politics
by Tahir Hashmi 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hi all! On page 10 of Todays Economic Times, it says: "Bill to schmooze with corporate hi-fliers Ambani & Tata, and nation's First Citizen, Kalam" Extracts (yeah, I _typed_ them out): "Among the most interesting meetings is the one with RIL Chairman Mukesh Ambani. The meeting assumes significance since Reliance is likely to emerge as a key player in the IT-telecom domain, once Reliance Infocomm gets active" "There is a clear-cut case for Mr. Gates to meet both Infosys chairman NR Narayanamurthy and TCS CEO S Ramadorai, since both these companies are working on a large number of cutting-edge Microsoft Technologies, notably, .NET." [And I thought .Net was a dud!] "Among the political class that Gates will schmooze with are five CMs -- ND Tiwari (Uttaranchal), AK Anthony (Kerala) [really?], Vilasrao Deshmukh (Maharashtra) [letter-pads out!], SM Krishna (Karnataka) and Digvijay Singh (MP)." -- The reason is the > Rs 10,000 Cr expenditure expected by the govt. on e-governance. This is the most interesting read: "Of course, the most delightful of all the meetings will be the one with our man of science, techno-savvy, brilliantly articulate President APJ Abdul Kalam. This scientist-turned India's First Citizen's passion for technology as a social transformation tool is well-known, and the two can be expected to engage in discussions on how India can harness technology to realise her dreams of becoming a developed nation." (Microsoft) Technology... India... developed... ROTFL! -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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[OT] Acronymize your name
by vinayak 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

Enter your name in the textbox @ the following page and your will be amused with the result. http://www.brunching.com/cyborger.html If you don't like the generated output , don't flame me ;-). Be careful it can be addictive. ;-) ---> Vinayak Hegde

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] windows vs Linux (fwd)
by vinayak 10 Nov '02

10 Nov '02

Hi, Check out this site www.gimp-savvy.com and I bet you will change your opinion. Especially chk out the book "Grokking the GIMP" available for free on the site. --> Vinayak Hegde ########################## -------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Tahir Hashmi <code_martial(a)softhome.net> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:07:00 -0500 (EST) Bhargav Bhatt wrote: > substitute, with the exception of the GIMP. This program, although > very powerful, does not present an intuitive interface to the user. I could do the editing equivalent of MS PhotoEditor just by exploring the items in the right-click menu and following tool-tips for all the tools on the main window. There's an excellent manual available for GIMP at www.gimp.org if you want to master the advanced features. It pays to learn GIMP, IMHO :-) -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir -------------------------- ##########################

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] windows vs Linux (fwd)
by Bhargav Bhatt 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

Prince, First of all, basing your judgement on Red Hat alone is not a very bright idea. You should try other user friendly distributions like Xandros, Mandrake, Lycoris etc etc, before feeling disappointed about the desktop/multimedia capacities of Linux. I am using Slackware Linux 8.1, after experimenting with RedHat, Mandrake, Suse and Debian, for almost all my desktop needs. The following is a list of windows programs *i* would consider important for a desktop user and their availibility in Linux. Programs Windows Linux --------------------------------------------------------------- Web Browser IE,Netscape Mozilla,Netscape E-mail, PIM Outlook, OE Evolution, Kmail MP3 Player Winamp XMMS Media Player Windows Media Player mplayer, xine Productivity MS Office Open Office, Star Office. P2P File Sharing Kazaa, Morpheus LimeWire Image Editing Photoshop Gimp Instant Messaging MSN, Yahoo, ICQ GAIM(MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, etc) IRC mIRC X-Chat, KVIRC etc. [I am not bothering to include editors because, besides the fact that there a plethora of them available for Linux, i have seen that most windows users prefer using word processors like MS Word, even for editing purposes. Also, luggerz, please dont feel bad if ur favorite browser, etc is not included above. This is more or less what i feel that a desktop susbtitute for windows should need.] *All* the above mentioned substitutes for windows applications available in Linux, IMO, out perform their Windows counterpart in terms of stability and security(where applicable). As you can see, all the commonly reqd windows desktop applications have Linux substitues. The most important factor however, is the ease of use which is where, most people *think* windows is better than Linux. However, beg to defer. IMHO, all the applications listed on the linux side above are as easy to use as their Windows substitute, with the exception of the GIMP. This program, although very powerful, does not present an intuitive interface to the user. mplayer, although command line, has nice GUIs available to make it look/feel like WMP. Just my two cents, HTH. Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University. "If English was commutative, all of us could speak like Yoda" - Anonymous ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prince" <iamprince(a)eudoramail.com> To: "ilug" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] windows vs Linux > > Hi there , all experts of Linux > > this is Prince asking the most important Questions ? > > can anybody send me the complete list of points : > 1] > " In what way Linux is better [ can be ] for DESKTOP PC , for normal user ? " > i repeat ..... For NORMAL user . > > i know it's best for all Networking purposes ,,,,but abt new enthu people who wants to try Linux as there Day to Day > Default desktop OS ? > > 2] > What abt others who are normal users & wanna try Linux for a Ultimate experience ? > where we are lacking to put this Linux OS in front of them ? [ we are only enjoying this thing & sharing between our > selves ] > > > i got Linux Redhat 8.0 > it's ok > [ my xmms is without mp3 support ] , no software got MPEG with redhat windows [ not talking abt KDE & gnome pack ] > > waiting for reply , > Prince [ Agent 1 ] > " Digitalagents " > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers >

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