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rh8 sawfish
by Brian Pang 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

I got rid of metacity by as root rpm -e firstboot rpm -e metacity (firstboot was the only dependency) log out of gnome log back in using failsafe (if graphical, else, just log back in on the command line) edit the file /home/~user/.gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager changing /usr/bin/metacity to /usr/bin/sawfish log back into gnome if I tried to make the change with the "System Tool" terminal, metacity would change the file back to using metacity. grrr.. so that's why I deleted it and did it outside of gnome. however, you cannot save window attributes, still... had to log out and "Save Current Setup"... geesh... >From linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Tue Oct 22 18:36:54 2002 From: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in (Green, Shaun) Date: Tue Oct 22 18:36:54 2002 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] RedHat 8 - Switching back to Sawfish Message-ID: <CBA5720BD606864A8D6FFFE53D4B81F201585D0C(a)nsstcex2.nsstc.nasa.gov> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27922.62009710 Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone know how to switch off this terrible bluecurve crap and get back to Sawfish?? I want to use my GTK themes; like BlueHeart. Thanks, Shaun linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in (Tahir Hashmi) Date: Wed Oct 9 11:52:43 2002 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [rant] Red Hat 8 Desktop under-featured and less configurable Message-ID: <20021009113608.3443df87.code_martial(a)softhome.net> Hi Linuxers! Okay, Gnome2 and Bluecurve look really cool, especially with AA fonts but there's quite a lot that I didn't like. Here are the issues (when I say that something "is" or something "isn't", it is supposed to be *AFAIK* and not the absolute truth): - Under-featured window manager: The MetaCity Window manager doesn't have any options for layering management and attribute memory. I can't keep EveryBuddy on top now. - No options for custom keyboard short-cuts: Unlike Enlightenment or Sawfish, there's no provision for having keyboard shortcuts to run commands. There's a lot more move-move click-click involved now. - No option to switch Window Managers! I installed RH8 clean on one system and upgraded another. The former doesn't have sawfish, the latter doesn't have an option to switch Window Managers, even though it has Sawfish. - Complicated Menu: The main menu is now more broad than deep a la KDE and that was one of the main reasons why I didn't like KDE. - Overall lack of customizability I could go on and on but to summarize, a lot of customizability that Gnome users had grown accustomed to is now gone and the overall feel has a lack of "freedom". - The Terminal is now a "System Tool" (duh!) I looked around the Net a little and I didn't find many people ranting about these things. Is it just me? Am I missing something? I'd be grateful if some of you could give some pointers. TIA

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For Open Source Advocates ..( Microsofts internal memo on the opensource initiative )
by Kiran Nadgir 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

The document reproduced below was presented at a Microsoft internal Linux Strategic Review held at the Microsoft offices in Berlin during Sept. 2002 Open-source software advocates have concluded that a leaked Microsoft Corp. memorandum detailing a survey it conducted of IT professionals on their views of open-source software shows that Microsoft's public relations tactics on open source are failing and that, to win out against the software giant, open-source software advocates need only "stay the course http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween7.php ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kiran Nadgir Mahindra British Telecom. Tel : 6922000 extn - 8070. Mobile - 9820444403. Email - kirann(a)mahindrabt.com WebSite: www.mahindrabt.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote of the week ~~ If you have it [love], you don't need to have anything else, and if you don't have it, it doesn't matter much what else you have. --Sir James M. Barrie ~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ************************************************************** Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ************************************************************** ********************************************************* Disclaimer This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************* Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com

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windows vs Linux
by Prince 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

Hi there , all experts of Linux this is Prince asking the most important Questions ? can anybody send me the complete list of points : 1] " In what way Linux is better [ can be ] for DESKTOP PC , for normal user ? " i repeat ..... For NORMAL user . i know it's best for all Networking purposes ,,,,but abt new enthu people who wants to try Linux as there Day to Day Default desktop OS ? 2] What abt others who are normal users & wanna try Linux for a Ultimate experience ? where we are lacking to put this Linux OS in front of them ? [ we are only enjoying this thing & sharing between our selves ] i got Linux Redhat 8.0 it's ok [ my xmms is without mp3 support ] , no software got MPEG with redhat windows [ not talking abt KDE & gnome pack ] waiting for reply , Prince [ Agent 1 ] " Digitalagents "

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LINK: Taking the FLOSS debate into the 'development' campaign...
by Frederick Noronha 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

Just to share with you: I've come across this fascinating presentation by an EU official in Vietnam, who argues that 'development' organisation in the First World should throw their weight behind Free/Libre and Open Source Software. This is a fascinating set of arguments. So far, few in the 'development/NGO network' (apart from rare exceptions like Sunil Abraham of Mahiti.org in Bangalore and the Sarai network in Delhi, and the Dehradun-based publishers of 'Software Freedom') have appreciate the power of, or worked seriously on, FLOSS. [Disclosure of interest: I have received a print-media fellowship from Sarai in the past year.] Interestingly, this document is released under the terms and conditions of the GNU Free Documentation License. Surely a worthy read. I would encourage everyone interested in taking this debate forward to please persue it. If you would like a copy, just send mail to fred(a)bytesforall.org with the subjectline FLOSS-PRESENTATION. Thank you. FN PS: My apologies for reducing very interesting arguments to a few bytes of poorly-represented text. My limited abilities did not allow me to convert the speaker notes, words he used and graphics into extracts in text suitably. The presentation does a better job of that. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * FREE/LIBRE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE AS OFFICIAL DEVELOPMENT AID Jordi Carrasco-Mu�oz EC Delegation to Vietnam jordi(a)bigfoot.com jordi.carrasco-munoz(a)delvnm.cec.eu.int _________________ Disclaimer: - The text represents the author's opinions only - Text released under GNU Free Documentation License - Request copies to the author - FORTHCOMING: Global Implementation Plan Developing countries can neither miss the benefits of the IT revolution, nor afford its cost (IPRs in particular) Donors and multilaterals have a responsibility to provide an alternative, if available FLOSS is today the only alternative available PROPOSAL ODA-FLOSS will be implemented. Why? The question is: Who will be the first to do it? I.T. REVOLUTION IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES IT is today's Industrial Revolution Ability to leapfrog into latest technology Complement Industrial Development Small IT clusters, even in remote areas... Quotes: "Cost Windows XP + MS Office: Standard Version $560. Professional Version $800. a) COST (for a country like) VIETNAM (where the GDP per capita $440/year) XP+Office = 1 Year 3 months. XP+Office (Pro) = 1 Year 10 months. a) COST (III) Cost-Equivalent for the US (GDP per capita $30,200/Year). XP+Office = $38,436 XP+Office (Pro) = $54,909. (Is it very surprising that the) percentage of pirated Software in Vietnam (is) 97%" Source of information: Amazon.com (13 May 2002) "Microsoft 2000 localised in 24 languages. There are 8,500 languages in the world.... Open Office can be localised in 2 weeks." "Like science, FLOSS builds as a community, on top of past work." "No backdoors + No spyware." "All software (on a sponsored distro) must be Free/Libre as defined by the Free Software Foundation.... All applications must be fully localised and documented... Include Open Office. Why? ... The first version must be Windows-based. Why?" "Pareto's 80/20 Rule applied to software -- (20% of applications solve 80% of needs). Substitutes a key application. Example for users that Open Source works. Other candidates: Mozilla, MySQL, Gimp, ... (suggestions welcome) Why a Windows FLOSS CD-ROM? MS Windows is the way towards a full FLOSS system (for private users).... Microsoft Windows runs on 94% of desktops. Private users cannot be forced into FLOSS. We must earn their trust in FLOSS." "Cost of a FLOSS CD-Rom: (quotation: www.goldenrom.com). 10.000 Copies - $4,600 50,000 Copies - $17,500 100,000 Copies - $32,000 500,000 Copies - $135,000 1,000,000 Copies - $250,000. Cost of ODA-FLOSS CD-Rom for one-fourth of 'pirate' computers." "Recycling legislation: Cheaper shipping PCs to developing countries than recycling them (also tax deductible). Donated PCs tend to be stripped of parts, software or licenses, using a FLOSS OS is an obvious choice." "India (Simputer), Brazil, etc... are creating low-cost computers targeted to low-income communities"

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Re: GPL Fonts
by Frederick Noronha 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

That's very kind of you Michael. I'll pass on your note to others who might be interested. -- Frederick -- Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783 BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com Email fred(a)bytesforall.org * Mobile +9822 122436 (Goa) * Saligao Goa India Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Michael Steidley wrote: > Hello! > > I recently read your article in Linux Journal about Indian language > solutions in linux. > > I'm a graphics designer and digital media specialist. I've been creating > fonts for over ten years and I'm interested in helping create fonts for > Indian languages which do not have any GPL fonts available. > > If you could put me in contact with someone concerning this matter I would > greatly appreciate it. > > Thank you for your time. > > > --Michael Steidley >

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Let's combine powers
by Prince 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

Hi there , it first time digitalagents is asking people to combine power : You may ask these questions : & here is the answer # for whome ? for all the people out there using MS [ Microsucks ]windows there are some reasons why they are doing like this : Linux what is that ? they do not know much abt Linux & it's power they think Linux is not upto that level [ they have not seen REdhat 8.0 yet ] they think its hard to learn linux their fundamentals are not clear abt linux & system & most important : you people [ me also ] are not taking any efforts to make the clear idea abt Linux . for what ? to take as many people with RIGHT & PERFECT OS [ that's Linux ] why we should do this ? cause you are making mistakes by just writting vanila text for linux people & not for all those Bill's fans [ windows users ] because you want to promote linux straight from your heart because you hate Bill's blue screen of death because you only can do because Linux is great because you can make it much better who we are ? basically Digitalagents is a Group of people in INDIA taking lead in awareness of BEST ways of computing , All Free of cost . We provide the best information for FREE . If we say Linux is the best , We should prove it ! we need your help guys ! What you have to do ? in a very simple & short lines Write for all those MS users : 1] the short story abt Linux [ history ] 2] the points why Linux is better than Windows 3] what abt Linux on Desktop PC for Day-to-Day life activity ? 4] which are tools like MS windows = Linux 5] The list of Best softwares in Linux See friends we have to take this step , select any of the above 5 points & write few words but it should be perfect [ if you only confident abt what you say , as you have to prove it ] on your key strokes we [ in india ] can make revolution & can put Linux in front of everyone ! do something ! Let's combine the power & make a Complete & solid text " Why Linux ? " be a part of digitalagents Join the revolution ! make it in Linux - Way ! digitalagents(a)indiatimes.com _Agent1

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NEWS- Stallman: Disk, I/O issues delay GNU OS
by Frederick Noronha 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

Stallman: Disk, I/O issues delay GNU OS By John Ribeiro November 6, 2002 2:54 pm PT BANGALORE, INDIA -- The release of a production version of the free GNU operating system (OS) has been delayed beyond the end of the year, as the current development version of the system does not support large disk partitions and high speed serial I/O (input-output), according to Richard Stallman, president of the Boston-based Free Software Foundation (FSF). "I would say that when two features that are that essential are still missing, we are not at version 1.0 of the system yet," Stallman told IDG News Service in an interview this week in Bangalore. Stallman was however noncommittal on a new release date. In an interview in March, Stallman said that the production version of the GNU OS was likely to be ready by the end of this year. Developers working on the current development version of the GNU system, also called the GNU/Hurd to distinguish it from GNU/Linux, have found limitations in the Hurd kernel and the GNU Mach microkernel, according to Stallman. "There are two problems that have to be solved," Stallman said. "One of them is the lack of high-speed, serial-line handling, and the other is the limit on the size of a file system which is at somewhere between one to two gigabytes, which means that if you get a moderate size disk you have to divide it into smaller partitions, which is a nuisance." To solve the serial port problem, the GNU project is switching from the GNU Mach to the OSKit Mach, a Mach based on the OSKit for OS development from the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, Utah. "That version of Mach is supposed to get high speed serial line support, although it apparently isn't there in yet," Stallman said. Before the GNU project could switch to the OSKit Mach, it had to rewrite the [Image]terminal support in the Hurd to support virtual consoles. The GNU project has also got developers to work on the problem of the limit on the size of the current Hurd file system. "There are many other things that we want to do that will make the Hurd better, but resolving this issue (of the limit on the size of the file system) is absolutely essential," added Stallman. "I don't think it was realized how bad it is practically speaking not to be able to use whatever your disk partitioning is. Clearly most people are not going to repartition their disks to be able to try out our Hurd based system." Currently some users work with a development version of the GNU/Hurd system distributed by the open source Debian Project. The FSF is also modifying the GNU General Public License (GPL), though the fundamental principles will remain unchanged, according to Stallman. "We have looked at, for example, adding a clause that explicitly states that you give a patent license when you redistribute the software," Stallman added. FSF also plans to incorporate into the GNU GPL a section covering use of software on a computer network. This new section is likely to be on a similar section in the Affero GPL adopted by San Francisco-based Affero Inc. The Affero GPL requires anyone modifying a software program to give immediate access by HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) to the complete source code of the modified software to other users interacting with the software on the network, if the original program had a provision for this kind of access. John Ribeiro is an India-based correspondent for the IDG News Service, an InfoWorld affiliate. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/11/06/021106hngnudelay.xml?s=IDG NS ENDS

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urgent requirement for mainframes
by ven madhav 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Hello! This is venu here i represent a professional recruiting firm based at hyd Right now we have an urgent and immediate requirement for mainframes people with over 7 yrs exp for a company by name keane url www.keane.com the position is based at hyd.For immediate consideration pls mail your updated asap.would greatly appreciate your leads and references in this regard Thanks in advance for your time and favours. Best Regards venu Post your ad on Yahoo! India Autos.Check out the used Maruti, Fiat and Ford models on sale now.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG MEET coming Sunday at 4:30
by quasar＠vsnl.net 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Saswata writes: >Trevor, >Can I have the address for the meeting ? Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education is at 10-15 minutes walking distance from Mankhurd Rly. Stn. on the Harbour line between Kurla and Vashi. (err.. I am not trevor, but hope that helped. ;-) cheers, quasi p.s. below is a crude 'map'. Hope you use constant width fonts. --------- | HBCSE | --------- || ---------------------------------------- > > ^ --- ------------------------------------ | | | | | ^ | -- lots of walking -- | | | | | ^ | [Vashi]+++++[Mankhurd]++++++++++[Kurla]

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by vinayak 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: quasar(a)vsnl.net To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in vinayak(a)myrealbox.com wrote >Also you will agree that being not being tied to a >single s/w vendor also makes sound business sense. So >that you are not at the nercy to the whims and >fancies of that particular vendor It makes good sense only sometimes. Consider this example: I am a company developing some solution for a specialised domain. I choose some OS and a commercial tool for the development from company X. I also buy the support package offered by that X. Well, during the development process we face many problems which are promptly dealt with by the support team at X. They also patch the product for a few of our specific needs. I find it a well worth investment for buying the tool from X. Replace X with Xanalys. The 'tool' was Lispworks. The guy who posted the above at c.l.l was Dave Bakhash and he was extremely satisfied with Lispworks and Xanalys. It helped him complete his (telephony product I think) ahead of schedule. The point is Commercial Proprietary Software per say is not evil. The Free Software Movement come from a Utopian spirit exibhited by some people. There is no need for one side to be evil for the other side to be 'good'. -------------------- You have missed the point. The point here is not good vs evil but about what one would prefer as businessman The example that you have given is not that common Anyways you don't get patches and updates within minutes/hours by any vendor. If they do they are very rare But this is common in the free software world as others on this group will testify. Although i agree,it is sometimes criminal to generalise I can take this liberty in this regard here as the evidence in favour of free software (in terms of support such as this mailing list) is overwhelmingly lopsided. --> Vinayak Hegde

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Linux article on Rediff.com
by Dinesh Shah 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Here an article for Linux on rediff.com site http://rediff.com/search/2002/nov/07linux.htm Pls do give feedback to the article.. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System dinesh(a)shahmicro.com dinesh(a)indiamail.com Mobile: 098213-11906 Res: (+91-22) 6919423 Tel: (+91-22) 6747120

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Request for Seminar
by rdkoli＠excite.com 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

is there any seminar for linux coming up in mumbai? --- On Tue 09/24, Trevor Warren wrote: From: Trevor Warren [mailto: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com] To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 02:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Request for Seminar > > --- Sabarish Viswanathan > wrote: > > Dear Sir, > [snip] > hello Sabarish. > > > > > > The students of Sardar Patel College of Engineering > > have decided to hold a seminar/workshop on Linux.We > > would like to have your telephone no. in order to > > discuss the further details. > [snip] > Dinesh has been kind enough to give u the details. > Also....u could put up the topics that you would be > interested in so that the LUG can discuss them in > detail and have a schedule/agenda worked out for you. > > > Trevor > > > Thank you. > > > > Balasubramanian v > > SPCE > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Want to sell your car? advertise on Yahoo Autos > > Classifieds. It's Free!! > > visit http://in.autos.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > > > > ===== > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE - /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > \___________________________________/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

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SuExec Help
by subramaniam 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

To, hi linuxers, I want to run some scripts using apache/php which would require root permissions. So how do i use SuExec mechanism of apache in php to gain root permissions. I would prefer examples. All replies would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD

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[OT] the internet worm ...
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Hi, Looking for a text file I had stumbled upon long ago - a first hand account of the discovery of the a worm long ago ... I don't think it was the Morris worm, but I distinctly remember the phrase "you have been nuked", mentioned by the author. I am pretty sure I picked up the URL from a discussion on this list ... really long ago ... maybe three years or so. Anybody remember? Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and grieve at a funeral? It is because we are not the person involved. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] mailman [was: Spam]
by q u a s i 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

At 04:58 even 11/1/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >I think he wanted to obfuscate addresses in the body of the >message. That's a bad idea because it causes information loss. People who are paranoid about spam (or just spam conscious) can obfuscate the addresses (if they want to put them in the body in the first place) themselves using simple techniques like quasar(at)vsnl(dot)com. quasi

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Anothe M$ Halloween Document revealed
by Prakash Shetty 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Hello Linuxers, See for yourself ... how worried they really are :-) http://opensource.org/halloween/halloween7.php Best regards, Prakash Shetty mailto:pshetty@gmx.net

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Frame a LETTER OF INTRO.....calling on 1 and all
by vinayak 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Also add the following points:- 1> compare GNU/Linux Movement to Science where access to research documents(here source code) is important for exchange of ideas. Also as in science peer review matters a lot. Exchanges of ideas leads to better and secure software. 2> Also we can talk about cost as it is an consideration for all (students as well as government) Also we can talk about the german and the venezualan governments who have used free s/w to their advantages 3> also corporate successes may be talked about without the doc looking like having a bias towards anyone vendor (even Redhat for that matter). Also i believe sameer' points#4 and #5 have to be emphasised From: "Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" <sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in> Points I can think of: 1. An abstract on Nag's paper about "Why free software matters" 2. The fact that a GNU/Linux user is a member of an entire community 3. Examples of academic research projects that are done on GNU/Linux because of the freedom that they afford. 4. Importance of involving students in a community-wide effort and making real contributions instead of just arbit project ideas. 5. Instances like the IndLinux where a handful of people have managed to do something that can bring computing to millions in India. Sameer. -- MTech Student,

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com wrote >A point here is [...] > [...a long discourse...] > willing to provide support at a reasonable cost. ? what exactly did you say different from what I said except for the obviously large difference in number of words used...?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG MEET coming Sunday at 4:30
by Nikhil Kale 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

where's HBCSE???? Could you provide the full address? Thanks, Nikhil ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Warren <trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] LUG MEET coming Sunday at 4:30 > > > Hello Luggers...;) > > good to see a lot of activity. All of us are happy > about the same. > > We are scheduling a meeting Coming Sunday at 4:30PM > SHARP at HBCSE. The meeting will wind up by 6:30PM. > > >> AGENDA << > > --> Opening Talk will be by Sandeep on "Licensing > Issues and Clarification on Licensing models" > > Sandeep currently working with us towards building > an Open Developers Network around the Country is also > doing his M.A. in philosophy from the University of > Bombay. > > He will cover the various most commonn licensing > models availble to us on Free Software and Open Source > and throw light on the ambiguity people have on them. > So....those of you who have been part of M$ FUD > campaign.......better rope yourselves into this > meeting and be there to have a much more CLEAR IDEA ON > WHAT WE ALL STAND FOR. > > --> Any other Speakers...??? Post your topics please. > > Bye for now and have a nice day. > > Trevor > > > > > > ===== > ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) > /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ > | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | > |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| > \___________________________________/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers > > Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. Mobile No: +919821228022 -- Powered by Outblaze

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Access control on a cvs server????
by Sankha Subhra Som 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Hi, I have configured a CVS server(with password authentication using pserver). Is there any decent way of performing access control? I have a repository $CVSROOT/dir1/ within dir1 i have several directories. i want to restrict the users on a per directory basis. How do i do this? Sankha -- SANKHA SUBHRA SOM ATC - BIOINFORMATICS TCS KLK BUILDING. HYDERABAD-1 Ph:(040)6787980-1024 ******************************************************** An anonymous digitoid ******************************************************** Though I can make my extravaganzas appear credible, I cannot make the truth appear so.

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Re: Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

vinayak(at)myrealbox.com wrote: > You have missed the point. The point here is not good > vs evil but about what one would prefer as businessman If you have followed this thread, you may have noted that it was about good vs evil. All my objections and counter examples have been to show that PS is not anything evil and that it is a viable parallel system. The fact that /we/ dont like it does not make it evil and so we should not have to encourage people to go for the FS way because the other way is evil. That is all I was saying. What a business man will prefer will be based on his practical needs. What we are talking about here is ethics.

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HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by Frederick Noronha 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

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[OT][JOBS]Fwd: urgent requirement for mainframes
by Trevor Warren 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

--- ven madhav <madhr77(a)yahoo.co.in> wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:58:31 +0000 (GMT) > From: ven madhav <madhr77(a)yahoo.co.in> > Subject: urgent requirement for mainframes > To: trevorwarren(a)yahoo.com > > > Hello! > This is venu here i represent a professional > recruiting firm based at hyd > Right now we have an urgent and immediate > requirement for mainframes people > with over 7 yrs exp for a company by name keane url > www.keane.com > the position is based at hyd.For immediate > consideration pls mail your > updated asap.would greatly appreciate your leads and > references in this regard > Thanks in advance for your time and favours. > Best Regards > venu > Post your ad on Yahoo! India Autos.Check out the > used Maruti, Fiat and Ford models on sale now. ===== ( >- GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE -< ) /~\ __ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) / mailto: trevor.w(a)media.mit.edu \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab / _|_| \___________________________________/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

vinayak(a)myrealbox.com wrote >Also you will agree that being not being tied to a >single s/w vendor also makes sound business sense. So >that you are not at the nercy to the whims and >fancies of that particular vendor It makes good sense only sometimes. Consider this example: I am a company developing some solution for a specialised domain. I choose some OS and a commercial tool for the development from company X. I also buy the support package offered by that X. Well, during the development process we face many problems which are promptly dealt with by the support team at X. They also patch the product for a few of our specific needs. I find it a well worth investment for buying the tool from X. Replace X with Xanalys. The 'tool' was Lispworks. The guy who posted the above at c.l.l was Dave Bakhash and he was extremely satisfied with Lispworks and Xanalys. It helped him complete his (telephony product I think) ahead of schedule. The point is Commercial Proprietary Software per say is not evil. The Free Software Movement come from a Utopian spirit exibhited by some people. There is no need for one side to be evil for the other side to be 'good'.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

code_martial(a)softhome.net wrote >You're persistent :-) Unfortunately, that doesn't always help. And >no, >I am definitely not going to argue further with you. I succumb to >your >persistence. Have you suddenly developed an halo or something? I suppose if you have then it would be OK to stoop to patronizing me even when you dont have anything worthwhile to say. I succumb to your lack of will to even see ideas beyond your own.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

code_martial(at)softhome.net wrote On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:17:38 +0500 (IST) quasar(at)vsnl.net wrote: >> thought exist together? The proprietary software paradigm is what >> we do not like. But by us not liking it does not make it evil or >> wrong. Then where does the question of war come from? Or like the > Think I would also urge you to do it sometimes - has plesent side effects. > DRM, DMCA, Palladium, Trusted Computing. Those are all the > angelic gifts of Proprietary Software. And they sure are most > willing > to co-exist with Free Software Philosophy. The above mentioned are certainly /not/ direct gifts of Proprietary Software. They are completely seperate issues which are related to the Software-Hardware brotherhood. Proprietarty Soft does and can exist with the Free Software. BTW the FS Philosophy does not exist to negate the evil PSP. It exists because of a different approach to life by some people. And you Dear Microsoft is a non-issue here. Hopefully the LUG meet is on this Sunday the 10th were we can discuss these issues. I am looking forward to it.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by vinayak 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

-----Original Message----- From: "Saswata Banerjee & Associates" <scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com> <snip> On a related note, why is it that in mid 90s, 68% of webservers were Apache / Linux ? Not simply because the server owners thought open source philosophy is great (many of them probably did too), but because it met a very important need of theirs and it was business decision. ------------- There are fundamental differences between the Free software Movement (spearheaded by FSF) and the open source movement. There are not the *same* but *similar*. Hence it is not wise to mention them in the as synonyms. <snip> For example, If I ever tell my clients to switch to Linux, it will be considering business factors only -- cost (not necessarily free -- and considering hardware + software costs), options avaialble, ease of use, difficulty to maintain and availabity of good tech personnel who are willing to provide support at a reasonable cost. ----------- Also you will agree that being not being tied to a single s/w vendor also makes sound business sense. So that you are not at the nercy to the whims and fancies of that particular vendor ---> Vinayak Hegde

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in wrote On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:50:34PM +0500, quasar(a)vsnl.net wrote: >I just noticed that there is something really fishy about this >particular paragraph. All the original newlines that were present in >my >message are no longer there ... hand-edit quotes? And I was a fool to think we could have a adult discussion... They /are/ hand edited quotes. So? Your implication that I was cheating is ... for a better word ... a childishly personal attack. I am having to use the VSNL webmail interface which does not 'quote' a reply. So I had to 'hand-edit' them instead of leaving them unquoted. Yeah so I am the Evil Person (tm) now I suppose? >> pissed me off which resulted in more than necessary sarcasm. >>Sorry. >I kinda never had any rules in mind ... I thought this was >``discussion'' about The Right Thing (tm). /you/ may not have any rules in mind... please refer to Philip's initial musings about implementing auto-wraping by the mailer. Yes and I suppose /you/ own the (tm) for The Right Thing? >OT: Just discorvered something in vim ... pressed gq<down> at the >start >of the earlier para, and it correctly broke and indented it for me! Wow. But I suppose long lines are still 'evil'. >> suppose we can ignore it. >Aaah ... there goes gq<down> again! :-) That was so very funny. I almost choked. But how conveniently you have not answered/ignored the part about webmail. >The problem is in two parts - quoting somebody else's mail, which I >just >discovered that vim can do very easily for me, and horizontal >scrolling >... think of the column width that newspapers use instead continuing >a >line from edge to edge ... its about readability. yeah, you /think/ of a newspaper where we have a column on one side with the rest of the paper blank. >And of course, the problem with webmail access remains. you may consider rereading my previous post on this matter.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] HappyDiwali thanx to BILL to bill in BusinessWorld
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

At 03:56 even 11/4/02 +0530, Dr.N wrote: >In practice I refuse to use and try to convince people to use >Microsoft products. But I would refuse to set this as an agenda or >campign actively for this because, when GNU and FSF started there was >no Microsoft. The idea of free software is independent of Microsoft. >FSF and GNU have a positive agenda and to put it in a negative terms >will deviate the purpose. The reason why I cannot swallow everything >that Charles wrote in Business India is because, the media is now >manufacturing a new concent. As you saw the article talked about >economics but not about business ethics, freedom and philosophy. >They >are missing the point, but it is deliberate. And not because they are >ignorant about it. The war is not against Microsoft, it is against >proprietary software paradigm. >Nagarjuna You have put in a few excellent points. I read that article and it did not /feel/ right. It never mentioned the ethos of the free software community. It never talked about /how & why/ GNU/linux is where it is today. All they talked about was business & money. The media only needs a bandwagon to jump on. Like so many linux "pushers" out there it too has very practical reasons behind it. Of all those managers who have "embraced" linux they have done it because it makes business sense - not because they believe in the philosophy. And it beats me why we have to even think about them. The only point I do not see eye to eye with you is the question of "war". Is it really a war out there? Can not two schools of thought exist together? The proprietary software paradigm is what we do not like. But by us not liking it does not make it evil or wrong. Then where does the question of war come from? Or like the US are we now ready to 'bomb' anyone who does not agree with us? Is this real "choice"? Self protection for survival is one thing - war is another. Can we have a LUG meet to discuss this issue? Been a long time since a LUG meet anyway. regards,

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OT-Job opportunity
by kishor bhagwat 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

hey guys, just got this mail..hope it helps some of ya.. ----mail follows------- Hi, I take this opportunity to introduce myself as Mohan working with Blue Star Infotech Ltd., Bangalore handling recruitments. Blue Star Infotech Ltd (BSIL) is a global IT Software Solutions provider of software engineering, design and development services, part of the USD 175 million Blue Star Group. BSIL employs over 500 software professionals and operates four SEI-CMM Level 4 certified software development centers in Mumbai and one in Bangalore in India. BSIL serves its global clientele through offices in Milpitas (CA), Princeton (NJ), Dallas (TX), London, Helsinki and Kuala Lumpur. Eighteen years of customer satisfaction and operational excellence, has helped BSIL establish and nurture relationships, with both Fortune 500 and medium-sized companies including Hewlett Packard, 3M, Hitachi and Warner Brothers. Visit us at www.bsil.com to learn more about our areas of focus and the work culture at BSIL. As part of our aggressive growth plan we'd looking for candidates with 2-7 years of experience in any of the below mentioned skills Systems programming on Unix platform Unix Internals, Kernel space Unix Diagnosis, Integration testing & release management on Unix Networking/ Device Drivers / Firmware / compilers / RTOS Unix system Adminstrator / Clearcase Admin C++, OOAD, Rational, Unix To explore opportunities in any of the above areas, mail us your resumes mentioning your "Skills/years of exp" in the subject line of the mail Regards Mohan Kumar. K Asst. Manager - Resourcing Blue Star Infotech Limited "VIDYADEEP", #128/1, Ulsoor Road, Bangalore - 560 042 Ph: 080 5591537/4663, 5585316 ext: 125 Email: mohank(a)bsil.com Web: http://www.bsil.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

My ISP is half-dead so I am left with no SMTP. At 10:29 morn 11/5/02 +0530, SS wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:54:10PM +0530, q u a s i wrote: [..] good reason for breaking. An imbecile mail client is no excuse. >``imbecile email client'' is a real pain when a reader does not have >the >option to choose his own editor within the client ... in my case, for >example, when sitting on my desktop I use mutt with vim, but at other >times, I have to rely on the web interface to our mail server ... I >can >do nothing about how the web interface behaves! I completely agree. The above was exactly the point I was trying to convey. But the unfortunate thing is you choose to comment on a sarcastic reply instead of the many "adjust your line length" "Get a smarter mail client" etc. etc. you see here. Linux is about choice -- or is that only a media mantra? The talk about 'rules' really pissed me off which resulted in more than necessary sarcasm. Sorry. > The only problem which I can think of is - in case of this reply >for > example, I suppose my lines will get wrapped at some column by you >client > which will introduce non quoted short lines. Well this is not my >fault as > if you use no line breaking then my reply will appear correct. > >Not breaking big lines in an editor does introduce readability >problems >... its really difficult to make sense of what's happening if one >has to >scroll horizontally. There are editors like vim which can ``wrap'' >lines >... but that immediately affects navigation from line to line, and >within sentences. `line' != `sentence'. I beg to disagree. /Your/ choice of editor introduces problems. Mine does /not/. So how does that make your position superior in /any/ way? I live with inefficient use of screen space without cribbing about it - so maybe you can too. AFAIK Mutt & Emacs as well as Pine handle long lines well under GNU/Linux. Just a matter of settings. In windows Eudora, OE & Emacs do it too. So? Where does this place us? The only problem is when one uses web interfaces - but then the problem is far more complex with almost all webinterfaces having a different column width. So I suppose we can ignore it. >Learning to use emacs is not exactly top priority on everyone's list. I never suggested you to start learning Emacs. Just that there exists a client where it is possible. >I don't understand the need for a discussion - all we are asking is >for >people to make a small adjustment in their mail editors, which will >make >life easier for a lot of people. Its a time-honoured adjustment, >well-supported by lots of guidelines on netiquette. Yeah. The 'we' again. Yes Sir. As I see the number of people who want client side line wraping is really small (we are a minority), you can set whatever rules suites /you/. As always "it's about choice" applies only to the majority. I agree about time-honoured - but the times are changing and the very good reasons behind that guideline are no longer as relevant as they were before. >``Go get a better <insert any tool like editor, for example>!'' >That sure sounds like somethings going wrong about the spirit of the >community, with a Redmond-ish touch to it. The point is you should seriously consider /who/ is introducing this touch. Note: Please note that even your /correct & superior/ line breaking resulted in broken lines without '>' in this web interface. I had to manually introduce the '>'. quasi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by quasar＠vsnl.net 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

dodobh(at)nettaxi.com wrote >On 05/11/02 18:50 +0500, quasar(at)vsnl.net wrote: >> My ISP is half-dead so I am left with no SMTP. >Direct to MX works for ilug-bom. I haven't used my ISPs SMTP server. >See the headers :). Unfortunately I dont get you here... "Direct to MX"? I have to use windows for my brother as we both use the same email account and all he gets from his Bajaj mates are huge .ppt .doc and .xls files *sigh*. My exim is working but I am wondering how I can use it with this situation on hand. >> I beg to disagree. /Your/ choice of editor introduces problems. >>Mine does >Line invisible. Could not read. Please insert a carriage return where >appropriate manually. ><snip> >> Note: Please note that even your /correct & superior/ line >>breaking resulted >Mind changing the client? Or fixing those quotes? I thought asking to change the client was a no-no here. ;). But aalas I cannot change the client - you all will have to help me petition VSNL to have it fixed. It does not even add '>' when replying. I have to do it manually. *grin*. It does not even add a appropriate subject. >Devdas Bhagat

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] loopback system query
by Suhit Kelkar 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Dudes and dudettes, Am installing dragonlinux as a try-out linux distro. However, I want to expand the loopback filesystem to recognise spaces larger than 2 gb. Any suggestions? Regards. -- Powered by Outblaze

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[POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by Philip S Tellis 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Throwing open a poll on the list. Replies to the list. When posting a message on a mailing list, should the original poster make sure his lines wrap at a particular column, or not? If yes, which column? If yes, or no, why? <snip when replying> Remember, this is a poll. We do not care what the list guidelines say, so please don't reply `because the list guidelines say so'. We really want to know whether the list guidelines are right, or not, and why so. State what you think. Your own opinion. </snip when replying> Philip -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. -- W.C. Fields

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Spam compailents
by Amish K. Munshi 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, As most of you, I also get a lot of spam mails, is there any place in India, a website, where we can complaint. Some oraganizations including caltiger (used to but no more) and bazee keep sending me spams, atleast these can be stopped, if not the small buisnesses like university diploma spams then atleast these big organizations should be stopped. Lets startoff my making Mumbai spam free and may be later we can show the others (the remaining) a way to follow. If there isnt any website, I would like to create one where we can post our compliants and then we can let the oracnization know about it. Bye. - -- Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/sign.txt to obtain a Public key of my digital signatute. Please verify always that the mail originates from me before reading the contents of the mail using any opensource encryption software such as gnupg or openpgp. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9w+rH6apqhFnXaBMRAvXDAJ4nBpFQ0opaM5YuLBNy2ibqOiEZGQCg1bnz 0hpniAKi7pslDlaH8ECKSKg= =UlaR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Light-weight distros
by Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

In a different thread somewhere else, Frederick Nornha wrote: > PS: While on this point, we need to also lobby for GNU/Linux to make less > resource-intensive distros specially for users who are forced to use > earlier-generation hardware. Or else, we too will be joining in the > oatware game... Are there any good projects/HOWTO's that help a user keep hardware requirements within limits? Consider a case for example, where a user wants to get as many good features of a modern GNOME/KDE desktop as possible, on a Pentium 200 with 32 MB SDRAM ... Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The lovely woman-child Kaa was mercilessly chained to the cruel post of the warrior-chief Beast, with his barbarian tribe now stacking wood at her nubile feet, when the strong clear voice of the poetic and heroic Handsomas roared, 'Flick your Bic, crisp that chick, and you'll feel my steel through your last meal!' -- Winning sentence, 1984 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest.

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Re: add my name, I suggest a place, few names
by Amish K. Munshi 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Happy Diwali and a prosperous new year. Actually the meeting started off with me and a few (probably 2) others and then others also were willing to join the meeting, the meeting will not be very long and I do not even know the moderator so I dont think this is a official meeting, I wanted to make a few Linux friends so I decided to have a meeting with a few mailing list friends. It will only be a meeting where we meet each other and share a few ideas, there is no agenda as such. Just a casual meet with the only intention to meet other linux users. Ofcourse we wont be fighting about using a distribution of linux (hope so). Bye. On Tuesday 05 Nov 2002 10:02 am, you wrote: > What is this meeting about? And why is it being setup off the list?? Why > not simply declare a LUG meet with whatever agenda you have in mind? > > Sameer. > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 05:27:47PM +0530, jitendra wrote: > > Dear Amish and Saswata > > > > List for Linuxers in Powai-Andheri-east Meet on 9th November Evening: > > > > 1. > > 2. Amish K. Munshi - amish(a)munshi.dyndns.org) > > 3. Saswata (scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com) > > 4. Jitendra Shah (jitendras(a)vsnl.com) > > > > A few points on agenda: > > CD library, book library, FAQ building > > > > We can invite sameer sahasrabudhe > > Sameer D. Sahasrabuddhe" <sameerds(a)it.iitb.ac.in> and > > expect him to get a few more > > > > We can also invite venky > > venky (venky1(a)vsnl.com) > > > > > > > > I can suggest a place PNG building , near customs colony ground floor, Dr > > Puniyani's clinic. I have set up two PCs with Linux in network there. > > This can be a place to see/show some work/tchniques too. > > > > I am going out on 10th. So 9th evening is good. > > > > Jitendra > > > > Amish Message on linuxers > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:44:42 +0530 (IST) > > From: mails(a)munshi.dyndns.org > > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > cc: getabhishek(a)yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Meeting of LUG > > Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > > > Hi, > > > > I have my exams from 11th, But I would like to have a meeting, so > > probably saturday evening will be fine for me. > > About venue, let me know where can we meet, I think we should > > meet somwhere in Andheri or powai, since most of the people interested in > > meeting are from here. > > I am counting > > > > Myself ( Amish K. Munshi - amish(a)munshi.dyndns.org) > > Saswata (scrap(a)saswatabanerjee.com) > > > > Anyone else interested then please include yourself in this > > lists. > > > > Bye. - -- Visit http://munshi.dyndns.org/~amish/sign.txt to obtain a Public key of my digital signatute. Please verify always that the mail originates from me before reading the contents of the mail using any opensource encryption software such as gnupg or openpgp. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9x0xL6apqhFnXaBMRAh5nAJ4/fHT6Bm5nNkCMFcoCrEWYT3FdhgCglFe4 RA3MGAKCeRIS6lU1psfBYRU= =E7ek -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[OT] More on BeOS Max Edition
by Prakash Shetty 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Hello linuxers, Some more good news from the BeOS Max Project : Featured on OSnews.com - Today (02/11/2002) - http://www.osnews.com Full Article here explaining how it got it all started, where it is today and where it is heading to in the future - http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2062 Also the 3rd Top Downloads on Sourceforge now : http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=22045 and well 3rd on BeBits too : http://www.bebits.com/app/3089 Best regards, Prakash Shetty mailto:pshetty@gmx.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Obtaining CDs
by ritesh kala 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

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internal modem help
by Gurpreet Singh 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

hi all i am using a internal modem with motorola sm56 fax modem chipset... i use rh7.2 and kudzu is not detecting my modem. how do i configure my modem with linux?? plz help gurpreet ------------------------------------------------------- WISHING U ALL A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI... -------------------------------------------------------

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Re: -)
by Charudatt Mulye 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Using WINE.
by Hrushikesh Tilak 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

First download wine from winehq.org and rpm -i it. Are planning to run windows apps from a windows partition or from linux itself? In the first case, mount the windows partition, cd to the directory where the exe is located and do wine appname.exe. You can find how to use variety of windows apps with wine on http://www.frankscorner.org/wine/ and on http://appdb.winehq.org Hope you may find the links useful, Hrushikesh Tilak >From: "Abhishek Gupta" <abhi_shek(a)rediffmail.com> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Using WINE. >Date: 1 Nov 2002 20:08:42 -0000 > >hey luggers, > > i have successfully installed rh8.0, it looks quite clean to me. > now what i am trying to do is to run some windows programs on linux > using wine. but i exactly do not know how to go about it. winehq.com > doesnt paricularly help on this. can anyone of ya suggest me some ideas > of how to run win apps using wine??? > > thanks in advance, > Abhishek Gupta. > >SIGNATURE>>> > >Abhishek Gupta. > >Final Year. >Dept. of Computer Science and Engg. >SSGMCE. > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

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IPv6
by q u a s i 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

why, inspite of having such shortage of static-public IP's, is IPv6 still not in wide use? quasi

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Job Opportunities on Linux-Marketing at TechnoInfosys Navi-Mumbai
by Deepen Dhulla 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

Hi, friends, As All knows Linux is catching up in India, say Govt. or Large or Medium Corporation. or Education... We have our technical Team ready to handle any type of Linux solutions. And We have few hit products of our company some are :- Webmin's Linux Management Console, Internet Management System, Bandwidth Management System, Cache Server and many more... So On behalf of A Linux Company called "TechnoInfosys" , I would like to post Job Opportunities in Linux-Marketing in Navi-Mumbai. So that we can reach max.. places with Linux all around. Two Junior.Sales opening : 1> Having one year of Experience in IT field. 2> Bit Crazy on Linux - Technology ::: Push up ;-) Ready to compare with our competitive products and push our Linux product up. [All who understood Linux are made about its strength] 3> Ready to Convince IT People , Manager with our Linux Products. 4> Have a good knowledge of professional Indian market Scenarios. 5> And many more marketing qualities. We are looking out for people who can join soon :-) Do contact me or my friend on email : - sanjay(a)technoinfosys.com Regards, Deepen Dhulla & Sanjay Gurav deepen(a)technoinfosys.com sanjay(a)technoinfosys.com #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* !!! Let Bring Linux to Every Corner of India !!!. #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using TechnoInfosys LA Mail Solution. http://www.technoinfosys.com/

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Microsoft Antitrust Judgement
by Tahir Hashmi 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

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Using WINE.
by Abhishek Gupta 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

hey luggers, i have successfully installed rh8.0, it looks quite clean to me. now what i am trying to do is to run some windows programs on linux using wine. but i exactly do not know how to go about it. winehq.com doesnt paricularly help on this. can anyone of ya suggest me some ideas of how to run win apps using wine??? thanks in advance, Abhishek Gupta. SIGNATURE>>> Abhishek Gupta. Final Year. Dept. of Computer Science and Engg. SSGMCE.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by vinayak 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

I feel that the message lines should be wrapped after 65-70 lines. It would be better if the members of the mailing list follow it rather than enforcing it using some code. Also thumbs up for obfuscation ( [at] for @ and [dot] for . seem pretty ok) --> Vinayak Hegde -----Original Message----- From: Philip S Tellis <philip(a)konark.ncst.ernet.in>

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] mailman [was: Spam]
by q u a s i 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

At 08:15 even 11/1/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >IMO, a mailing list software should *never* alter the content of a >message. If someone wants an email address to show up, he should have the >right to do that. I am completely with you here. >Then we can start autowrapping long lines, /Not/ with this, as this too constitutes change in message which should be left untouched with control directed towards the poster as against control directed towards the message. quasi

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [POLL] #posting_strategies: Long lines
by q u a s i 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

At 06:55 even 11/1/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >Throwing open a poll on the list. Replies to the list. > >When posting a message on a mailing list, should the original poster make >sure his lines wrap at a particular column, or not? If yes, which >column? If yes, or no, why? IMHO no line wrap. The email client can take care of the wraping. Reason: With a particular line wrap column number the usage of narrower windows may result in broken lines. > State what you think. Your own opinion. aye aye cap'n

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Win2k User must Authenticate from LDAP
by Himanshu shukla 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Check out http://samba.idealx.org/ I think that is what you want. Cheers, Himanshu -----Original Message----- From: Poonam P <abcdef4444in(a)yahoo.co.in> To: ILUG MUMBAI <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:17:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Win2k User must Authenticate from LDAP Hi, I need my Win2K Users to authenticate against LDAP on Linux. Can someone pls send me some information or pointers. Thanks in advance. Poonam. ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Mandrake 9 TTF problems
by Ashish Kulkarni 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

hello, I am having problems in using TTF fonts in KDE 3 on Mandrake 9. I copied the fonts from my Windows FONTS directory to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF and ran ttmkfdir and restarted XFS. The fonts were then listed, but not usable for some reason. After searching via google I disabled XFS, and put all directories manually in XF86Config. I also deleted XftCache from there. After that, I could use the font selector in XMMS to select and use the fonts without problems. Howver, using KDE Control Center caused all the visible fonts to be garbled, like small squares for TTF fonts. After some hacking around, the fonts for the "general" category displayed properly but for anything eles [eg. Menus, Taskbar, etc] the fonts look garbled yet. This behaviour is sometime intermittent--after restarting X, the general fonts also are garbled. Can anyone help me out? I suspect that KDE is not using correct codepage in the TTF fonts (XMMS has that option). Could it be due to other reasons altogether eg. Xft? Thanks.

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help : unknown host error
by nikhil badwe 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Hi all I am a new user to GNU/Linux. I have Red Hat Linux 7.2. I tried to configure the my system to access internet. I get connected to the net. I also get a status window indicating the time duration for which i have been online. But I can not open any page in any browser. I tried ping command on shell, even that did not work. I get error as �unknown host�. I have specified my primary and secondary DNS during setup. I tried to access /etc/resolv.conf, but it says it is �read only�. What could be the possible error...? thanx regards nikhil __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Unsubscribing from the list
by Anil Mare 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Can anyone please tell me how to unsubscribe this list. (though for few days). I had sent a mail to linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in with subject as 'subscribe' (specified in the mail headers), but mails are still coming. Anil __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/

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Win2k User must Authenticate from LDAP
by Poonam P 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Hi, I need my Win2K Users to authenticate against LDAP on Linux. Can someone pls send me some information or pointers. Thanks in advance. Poonam. ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com

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Slightly OT: Linux and Windows working in Harmony
by Bhargav Bhatt 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Hi Luggerz, I dont think this is quite as much about Linux as it should be, but nevertheless i thought that Luggers will always be a valuable source of information. So here is the deal. I will be soon be having two computers,a laptop and a desktop(both are relatively good ones). I have 30 gigs of hard-drive space on the laptop which will need to run Windows(for voice conversation with people back home :)), and 80gs on the desktop(which will be linux). These computers will be connected to a common 10/100 Mbps switch. My question is how would i share stuff between both machines i.e in effect, have a common 110 gb space which can be accessed by both machines. I dont mind leaving aside 5gs for each OS, but i still want to share the rest. Keep in mind that i intend to run a ftp server, which is why i want shared space :). Please feel free to answer whatever you feel is worthwhile. I have not been able to make up my mind about anything, as quite franky i dont know enough about networking multi-platform pcs, which is why i am looking for some help. if u feel this is OT then please reply off the list, but please provide me some input. In advance, THANX -- Bhargav Bhatt, Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mandrake 9 TTF problems
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

i got all my TTF fonts too, but the font rendition is horrible.i run mdk 9 as well. nikhil >hello, > >I am having problems in using TTF fonts in KDE 3 on Mandrake 9. I copied >the fonts from my Windows FONTS directory to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF >and ran ttmkfdir and restarted XFS. The fonts were then listed, but not >usable for some reason. After searching via google I disabled XFS, and put >all directories manually in XF86Config. I also deleted XftCache from there. > >After that, I could use the font selector in XMMS to select and use the >fonts without problems. Howver, using KDE Control Center caused all the >visible fonts to be garbled, like small squares for TTF fonts. After some >hacking around, the fonts for the "general" category displayed properly but >for anything eles [eg. Menus, Taskbar, etc] the fonts look garbled yet. >This behaviour is sometime intermittent--after restarting X, the general >fonts also are garbled. > >Can anyone help me out? I suspect that KDE is not using correct codepage in >the TTF fonts (XMMS has that option). Could it be due to other reasons >altogether eg. Xft? > >Thanks. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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How to make a distro?
by Kapil Karekar 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi Luggers, I am currently in the process of building a custom GNU/Linux system for myself using 'Linux From Scratch' as a reference. How do I make a distribution of my own, complete with a custom installation script. Can anyone suggest some literature which I could download. Since I'm taking the pains/pleasure to select the right mix of packages for myself I might as well distribute it to others who want the same mix of packages :-) Kapil Karekar Omkar e-nnovative software solutions kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com Tel: (+91-022) 801 2861 (O)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] qmail problem
by acharya＠dacafe.com 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Yep, I did according to lwq. Created /home/user_name/Maildir for 3 users. using maildirmake /home/user_name/Maildir but i get these problem when i send mail. @400000003dbfc65d02272b9c starting delivery 2: msg 17361 to local darshi@crystal .com @400000003dbfc65d02277da4 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @400000003dbfc65d02c3060c delivery 2: deferral: Unable_to_chdir_to_maildir._(#4. 2.1)/ Note: host name is Linux_qmail. But while installing qmail i have mentioned Crystal.com It recives the mail and considers it as local. But it is not delivering to the mailbaox. Note: I have done according lwq. i am not able to find out where i have gone worng. _____________________________________________________________

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] qmail problem
by acharya＠dacafe.com 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi all problem is sloved. I made a mistake. echo ./Maildir/ > /var/qmail/control/defaultdelivery. I typed these one worng I had typed ./maildir insted of ./Maildir. I checked Defaultdelivery file. Then rectified it. thanks for u r fast reply. :-) priyadarshi _____________________________________________________________

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qmail problem
by acharya＠dacafe.com 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi all I have installed qmail on 7.x. Redhat linux. After installing when i send mail. I recive this error in log. 1) mail r beeing accpetd by thes server but not delivering to the mail box. Error as follows. delivery 1: deferral: Unable_to_chdir_to_maildir._(#4. 2.1)/ Can anyone say where i went worng. Thanks Priyadarshi _____________________________________________________________

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] qmail problem
by Himanshu shukla 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

It seems the permissions for the maildirs are wrong. Just check if you have installed and configured qmail according to lwq. Cheers, Himanshu -----Original Message----- From: acharya(a)dacafe.com To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:30:57 -0800 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] qmail problem Hi all I have installed qmail on 7.x. Redhat linux. After installing when i send mail. I recive this error in log. 1) mail r beeing accpetd by thes server but not delivering to the mail box. Error as follows. delivery 1: deferral: Unable_to_chdir_to_maildir._(#4. 2.1)/ Can anyone say where i went worng. Thanks Priyadarshi _____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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qmail query
by Sabu Thaliyath 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi linuxers, Is it possible to have two instances of qmail running where one instance will handle remote mails and other will handle local mails. I know how to run multiple instances of qmail but could not find any information on how to make them handle remote and local mail seperatly. Please help. Thanks in advance, Sabu __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/

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IT syllabus details
by Nagarjuna G. 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

I am trying to do some research and write an article on the need of `secular' syllabus for IT education. I need some help from all of you. Could you send me the syllabus of various IT courses in the school, college, universitities, or institutions (any level as long as the topics are related to IT) that are familiar or nearer to you, either in electronic form or printed or photocopies or faxed or mailed to my address. Thanks in advance. -- Nagarjuna G. http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/ Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, V.N. Purav Marg, Mumbai INDIA. Ph: 091-22 5567711 Res: 091-22 2155604 Fax: 091-22 5566803

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Financial Accounting Package for Linux - Made in India
by vinayak 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hi tahir, The product was launched @ the IBM developerWorks Live! event in Mumbai. Eventually I ended up using the product. The interface looked pretty good and convenient to us ( as told to me by a CA) but I had a lot of trouble installing it due to it's dependencies. It comes bundled with a custom Linux Distro though. Still lots of scope for improvement. Also it's closed source and not GPL. --> Vinayak Hegde -----Original Message----- From: Tahir Hashmi <code_martial(a)softhome.net> To: linuxers <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:01:07 +0530 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Financial Accounting Package for Linux - Made in India Quoting from NewsForge <http://newsvac.newsforge.com/ article.pl?sid=02/10/30/116255&mode=nested&tid=52> Sudhir Gandotra writes: KALCULATE - First Financial Accounting Package in India on LINUX. Launched at the IBM Developer Works Conference across India, Kalculate is the first Financial Accounting Package for Linux Operating System in India & Asia Pacific. LINUX, the fastest growing Operating Systems for 3 years across the world is the choice of tomorrow - and that tomarrow has come. No wonder that IBM, DELL, HP/COMPAQ, SUN, HCL and others have announced LINUX based Computers and more are in the process of doing do. KALCULATE fills-in a very important gap, that of an important application missing in the bunch of software that a normal user (be it home, office, traders, business, professionals, industry & others) requires. Users normally need an Operating system, Office Suite, Internet-software, Audio-video-graphics software, Games and Accounting package. End quote. Visit http://www.kalculate.com for more details. -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Financial Accounting Package for Linux - Made in India
by Tahir Hashmi 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Quoting from NewsForge <http://newsvac.newsforge.com/ article.pl?sid=02/10/30/116255&mode=nested&tid=52> Sudhir Gandotra writes: KALCULATE - First Financial Accounting Package in India on LINUX. Launched at the IBM Developer Works Conference across India, Kalculate is the first Financial Accounting Package for Linux Operating System in India & Asia Pacific. LINUX, the fastest growing Operating Systems for 3 years across the world is the choice of tomorrow - and that tomarrow has come. No wonder that IBM, DELL, HP/COMPAQ, SUN, HCL and others have announced LINUX based Computers and more are in the process of doing do. KALCULATE fills-in a very important gap, that of an important application missing in the bunch of software that a normal user (be it home, office, traders, business, professionals, industry & others) requires. Users normally need an Operating system, Office Suite, Internet-software, Audio-video-graphics software, Games and Accounting package. End quote. Visit http://www.kalculate.com for more details. -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed

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Configuring TV Tuner card
by Abhir Joshi 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hi all. I have a "Pinnacle PCTV Plus" tv tuner card. I have to pass "card=39" to the bttv module to get it working. The video and the audio work perfectly, but I am not able to change the channels. The "CARDLIST" file in the documentation of linux-2.4.7-10 source doesn't list this card to be supported (I use RHL7.2). But this source is pretty old now. Has anyone tried with the newest bttv driver or has anyone successfully configured this card in some other way? The Pinnacle website says that the "PCTV Plus" is an "Indian Edition" of the card. -- Abhir Joshi http://education.vsnl.com/abhir/ No one can be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself. --- Morpheus from "The Matrix"

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DNS problems.... on dialup
by Rahul Saxena 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

hi again, i am basically having problems connecting to web pages. ! most of the times.. the web page request returns with a unknown host error, i guess thats attributed ot the DNS once the pages load.. and they do load after i try a few times.. mostlly. ! they are preety much OK, so its not a conection of BW or ISP problem it seems. can anyone show me their resolv.conf on a dialup.. how can i maintain my own DNS lookup.. it it will help me with my problem. beleive me its really frustrating! regards rahul

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LILO with BeOS
by Sachin 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hi Tanmay, my name is sachin and i have problem to be solved i am using linux rh and i got BeOS5 personal editon which has 1. readme [1 k] 2. lisence [some k] 3. floppy.img[1.4 M] 4. image.be [~500M] now problem is that it does not boot from floopy as i have it image.be from /src/beos where /src is on /dev/hdb3 and it is ext2 fs and it got 800 MB of space without image.be Now i want to boot into BeOS from lilo is there any way out for that? i read the artical for BeOS with lilo it says u require zbeos which i donot have [as u can see there is no file provided in that tar.gz which i listed above] can u provide me a link to the "zbeos" file for download -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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Fwd: [in-phpug] Yahoo to use more PHP
by sachin rase 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to make a distro?
by Himanshu shukla 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

For starters, why don't you try hacking Anaconda or just base your distro on the minimal distribution of Debian. Once you know hoe the stuff works, you could start right from scratch. Beleive me, using Anaconda or the minimal distribution to build your own distro is just as exciting. Cheers, Himanshu -----Original Message----- From: "Kapil Karekar" <kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net> To: "Linuxers" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:57:28 +0530 Subject: [ILUG-BOM] How to make a distro? Hi Luggers, I am currently in the process of building a custom GNU/Linux system for myself using 'Linux From Scratch' as a reference. How do I make a distribution of my own, complete with a custom installation script. Can anyone suggest some literature which I could download. Since I'm taking the pains/pleasure to select the right mix of packages for myself I might as well distribute it to others who want the same mix of packages :-) Kapil Karekar Omkar e-nnovative software solutions kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com Tel: (+91-022) 801 2861 (O) _______________________________________________ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Obtaining CDs
by Abhishek Gupta 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

hi amish, i am a linux user too, i stay at powai and wanted to obatain cds like rh-8.0 and mdk 9.0. i was thinking of getting them from linuxplaza but if u have them i was wondering if i cud borrow and burn it??? thanks in advance, Abhishek Gupta. SIGNATURE>>> Abhishek Gupta. Final Year. Dept. of Computer Science and Engg. SSGMCE.

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Report of GNU/Linux workshop at KReSIT, IIT Bombay
by Chetan Vaity 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hello all, The Information Technology association, an association of students, faculty and staff of KReSIT had organised a two-day workshop on GNU/Linux on the 26th and 27th of October. The venue was the impressive KReSIT auditorium. The publicity campaign was mainly concentrated inside the IIT campus. In the week before the workshop, posters had been sent to various colleges in Mumbai. The registrations which had been sluggish (and had got quite a few of us worried) picked up in the last 3 days. More than 100 participants had to be turned down. After about 3 weeks of hectic preparations, the big day arrived. The start couldn't have been better. Dr. Nagarjuna gave a fantastic talk on Free Software and the history of GNU/Linux. This was followed by sessions on installation, GUI, command-line and shell programming and programming environment conducted by students at KReSIT. All the slides were created in latex and presented using the pdfscreen package ;-) The entire workshop was recorded and transmitted live to remote centers of the Distance Education Programme being conducted at KReSIT. Enthusiatic people who had turned up on that day were allowed to sit in the local "remote" classroom at KReSIT and watch the proceedings. At the end of the day, a 2 hour lab session was arranged for all the participants. (That's about 200 people - 2 per computer). Accounts for all the participants were created on a single machine (A Compaq ML 530 running Red Hat 7.3). Initially, there were logging-in delays as all the people started their sessions almost simultanueously. This smoothened out after a few minutes and the "exercises" began in earnest. Almost the entire student population of KReSIT had volunteered for the lab management (held at 6 different rooms in the KReSIT building). The second day started with a superb talk on networking and security by Prof. Siva Kumar, head of the Compute Center at IIT Bombay. He showed live examples from the setup at the IIT firewalls. This was followed by various sessions on system adminstration, LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP), mail, DNS etc. After this an open QA session ensued where various doubts were cleared. The proceedings in the auditorium were concluded by an inspiring talk by Dr. D.B. Phatak, head of KReSIT. Day 2 lab sessions were held at the end of the day. An important learning: We felt that it might have made more sense to organise a workshop only for beginners. (a seperate one for experienced people). Because, all thru the 2 days, questions on installations, partitioning, X server problems, Windows interoperability etc continued. It was a mistake on our part to attempt to teach such a broad spectrum - from initiation to services management in just 2 days. Anyway, looking at the fantastic response we got (inspite of the moderately high fees), the Linux scene looks encouraging. Website: http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~ita/gnulinux Email: ita(a)it.iitb.ac.in - Chetan

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Intel Conference
by kishor bhagwat 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

hello folks, Attended the Intel Developer Forum today at Taj regent..quite a good show with the Intel CTO Pat Gelsinger around. There were demos on the wireless network(802.11b) front, and a good talk and demo on the Hyper-threading feature of the Itanium processors. Do chk out something called "Banias" - its cool! There were some talks on best practices for using multi-processor systems. Got to know about OpenMP amd MPI - two API's for enabling ur apps to use clustered systems. Also some tools for perf-tuning and analyzing ur apps(VTune). I've got a demo cd of those, i'll see if i can out it up on my ftp server. for more info - chk out http://developer.intel.com/idf/ there was also a small demo of the VxWorks RTOS on a Intel XScale system...neat! well..just thought some of you might want to know! regds, Kishor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] help : unknown host error
by ritesh kala 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Obtaining CDs
by ritesh kala 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

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Hello everyone.
by mails＠munshi.dyndns.org 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Hi, I just subscribed to this group. Just mailing to say hi to everyone. I stay at powai, andheri. Bye. The software that is popular need not be best. The software that is best need not be popular. It is a matter of choice what you prefer, best or popular. Linux gives you choice and also is the best software today in the market, ever guessed how much does it cost? Amish K. Munshi. Registered Linux user 282018 at http://counter.li.org Homepage http://munshi.d2g.com/~amish Email address amish(a)munshi.d2g.com ICQ 85730949

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Linux Bangalore/2002
by Philip S Tellis 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:55:24 +0530 From: Kingsly John <listmail@ki....> Subject: Linux Bangalore/2002 Dear Fellow LUG Coordinator, Greetings from the Bangalore Linux User Group! Last year, the BLUG had organised India's first national level Linux and OpenSource event, with stupendous success. Have a look at http://linux-bangalore/2001 to get a taste of how it went. This year, we are back again! Linux-Bangalore/2002 is a three day conference on understanding and using Linux and OpenSource technologies, to be held on December 3, 4 & 5 2002 at Bangalore. This is a one of a kind annual Linux event held in India and we would like to invite you and the members of your LUG to participate in this event as delegates and (if possible) as speakers as well. Detailed Information on how to participate as well as news and updates can be found on our website for the event at http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/ We have a mailing list where you can give your views/inputs about the event and it also allows for interaction amongst the various participants and the organisers. linux-bangalore-2002(a)yahoogroups.com (Subscription instructions at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-2002/) This is a community driven event and we would *really* appreciate it if the members of your LUG would participate in the discussions and (if possible) at the event itself. Please forward this note to your members via your mailing list. Looking forward to your LUG's participation in the event. With warm regards, Kingsly John Coordinator Bangalore Linux User Group -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bangalore Linux Users Group =||= Linux Bangalore/2002 Dec 3-5, 2002 http://linux-bangalore.org/ =||= http://linux-bangalore.org/2002/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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technique to copy files from a Linux to Win XP partitition
by Nikhil D. Kikkeri 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

hello, i use Mandrake 9.0 with ext3 file system and Win XP with NTFS. I am able to properly mount my Windows partition and read the files stored in that partition. However I am not able to copy any of my files from any of my linux folders back to XP.Windows is protected by a password.Hence I tried to make the relevant folders shareable through windows which didnt help.changing permissions through linux didnt help either, because it simply doesnt allow me to make the windows folders writeable. is it something regarding the issues that Linux has with NTFS that does not allow me to do this? Will the use of Samba help me in this regard? thanks -NDK _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

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How to make a distro?
by Kapil Karekar 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Hi Luggers, I am currently in the process of building a custom GNU/Linux system for myself using 'Linux From Scratch' as a reference. How do I make a distribution of my own, complete with a custom installation script. Can anyone suggest some literature which I could download. Since I'm taking the pains/pleasure to select the right mix of packages for myself I might as well distribute it to others who want the same mix of packages :-) Kapil Karekar Omkar e-nnovative software solutions kapil_karekar(a)vsnl.net kapil_karekar(a)hotmail.com Tel: (+91-022) 801 2861 (O)

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bootcd package list
by Gurpreet Singh 28 Oct '02

28 Oct '02

hi ppl we have come up with a list of packages for the bootcd what we r doing is that we r building a prototype of the bootcd on rh8 first coz we r comfortabl;e with that. Later down the line when we know how to make the bootcd we will make one on debian. that is becoz with debian i think we will be able to put in more applications in those 650 mb. so here are the list of packages www.geocities.com/tonysingh4u/packages.txt plz comment gurpreet, gaurav n amit

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RMS in India
by Amol Hatwar 28 Oct '02

28 Oct '02

This is from the fsf-friends mailing list.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Richard Stallman is visiting India. He will be in Bangalore from 31st to 5th. On 31st he is giving a talk organised by CSI. The venue is JN Tata Auditorium Indian Institute of Science Bangalore. Time; 14.45 to 15.45 hrs. On Nov 1st he will be talking at IT.com (I guess in Palace grounds) He will e at Goa from Nov 6th and 7th and will be giving talks at engineering colleges. Venue to be decided. So mark your calenders and plan to attend them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Regards, Amol Hatwar

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dns
by slash_axl_rose 28 Oct '02

28 Oct '02

plug-mail(a)plug.org.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all can anybuddy tell me what r the dns server ips of vsnl __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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kernelpanic
by kiran chandramohan 27 Oct '02

27 Oct '02

hi all What should I do when I get a message Kernel Panic VFS layer cannot mount root partition on ... Kiran

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Help
by Magyari 27 Oct '02

27 Oct '02

Hi all! My english is prety poor, so read the following that way! How can I finish receving all this mass of emails from linuxers? I only wanted to recive some mails that I think are usefull? Help me please! magyariz(a)freemail.hu

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by ritesh kala 26 Oct '02

26 Oct '02

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[OT] BeOS Max Edition v2
by Prakash Shetty 26 Oct '02

26 Oct '02

Hello linuxers, BeOS 5 PE Max Edition is a distribution made using the free version of BeOS 5 (called Personal Edition) with a number of drivers, add-ons, and software. It includes the new development tools from the OpenBeOS team Web site, but you will also be able to select the old tools. It only contains freeware and shareware demos. All the code it contains is legal under the MIT, GPL, or LGPL licenses. And yes its Athlon XP patched. Its already the 3rd most popular on BeBits within three days of its posting :- http://www.bebits.com/app/3089 Home Page:- http://vasper.net/main.php Mirror, FAQ's & Forums:- http://crux.sourceforge.net/nuke/index.php Scheduled for next release i.e V2.1: Scheduled Release Date - 23rd November 2002. 1) All packages are going to be in zipped format to avoid the long time it takes to copy them on your computer. After that, the installation will unpack them. This change will speed up the setup. (This has allready been done.Installation improved from 35 minutes to 12 minutes!!! With unpacking). 2) There will be alternative programs for bone setup, but not bone itself. Also it will include instructions on how to use Max with bone. 3) There will be a Pentium 4 boot disk included. 4) Also while booting Max u can select from 2 kernels, the Athlon Xp or the Pentium 4 kernel by pressing spacebar. Best regards, Prakash Shetty mailto:pshetty@gmx.net

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Obtaining CDs
by Hrushikesh Tilak 26 Oct '02

26 Oct '02

Go to http://www.linuxplaza.org/html/index.htm You can buy most of the linux distros for a cheap price. Hrushikesh Tilak. >From: Ashish Kulkarni <kulkarni(a)vsnl.in> >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Obtaining CDs >Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:47:32 +0530 > >Hello, > >Does anyone have Gentoo 1.4 or Mandrake 9 CDs (the complete distros) here >in Mumbai? I'd like to borrow or buy them. > >Thanks, >Ashish. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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[OT] code obfuscation for c
by ranjeet＠nttindia.com 26 Oct '02

26 Oct '02

Hi friends. I remember one thread about code obfuscation started by gurpreet (?) anyways while surfing i found one interesting site for the similar kinda contest .... International Obfuscated C Code Contest url: http://www.ioccc.org/ very nice obfuscated codes there ... the site also has those codes which were pasted on LUG .... ranjeet

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[OT] Obtaining CDs
by Ashish Kulkarni 26 Oct '02

26 Oct '02

Hello, Does anyone have Gentoo 1.4 or Mandrake 9 CDs (the complete distros) here in Mumbai? I'd like to borrow or buy them. Thanks, Ashish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Cluster
by Vinayak Hegde 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

hi, check out the linux-clustering howto @ www.tldp.org. get the oscar toolkit from sourceforge.net. Oscar is a really good tool for clustering. Oscar works with diskless nodes and can work with the lowest of configurations.Also it uses the master-slave configuration as compared to the p2p models some other clustering tools use. Also you can work with pvm/lam if you want to really do some hardcore clustering. Try using the MPI from notredame univ. It seems to be good. Problem that can be solved using a cluster are 1> Distributed Compilation of large programs e.g teambuilder/distcc 2> Image Rendering using Pov-Ray/other variants 3> Hypertext indexing / searching. --> Vinayak Hegde > I am building Linux cluster as my final year project. > I have a book " Building Linux Cluster" > published by O'Reily . Can you tell me some other > references. Further I am planning to demonstrate one > parallel programming problem using PVM. What PC > configurations do you recommend ? Can this be worked > out by installing master and slave node images of > Linux dual port with windows ?</p> > <P>Can anyone suggest me any parallel programming > problem to demonstrate on the cluster ?and any > other parallel programming API > available? __________________________________________________________________________ http://dating.zeenext.com Log on to nextDATE. It's the next best thing to doing it.

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Qmail Installation error
by vinayak 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

Hi, While installing qmail (qmailv1.03) I encountered the following error. the qmail-send daemon was having problems with the /proc/profile file infact when using the readprofile command, I found that there was no file called profile on the /proc file system. can somebody enlighten me why "/proc/profile" is needed and what does it contain? Also why does qmail need it? can this error be circumvented by some means? Also trevor's site www.qmailtheeasyway.com is not accessible.

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Re:letter to get email id
by Gurpreet Singh 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

Message: 11 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: jyoti acharekar <acharekar_jyoti(a)yahoo.com> To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in Subject: [ILUG-BOM] letter to get a email id Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in i am working at thana college in mumbai. please tell me what is my email id & also the password to get access to ilug-bom.org.in or how to sign in. [snip] hello maam u seem to be a newcomer to th ILUG BOM but i think u didnt get the concept. here u mail in to the lug and every one on this mailing list gets ur mail. now what they do is answer to their problems. so there's no email id or password that u may get... u'll just recv mails from the lug on yr mailing list everyday go thru them, they are beneficial gurpreet

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Courts in Maharashtra to use Linux.
by P.V. Mohan Krishnan 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

Dear luggers !!! This is to inform you all that the Bombay High Court hasvse decided to have the computerisation of the activities of the Judiciary in Maharashtra on a Linux platform. As part of a recently initiated computerisation programme of all the subordinate courts of the Metropolitan area of Mumbai we are going to use Red Hat 7.3. For the last 3 years we are using a Red hat E-Mail server in the High Court. Also all District Courts in the State use a Slackware version of Linux on their systems. We have specific interest in issues relating to the following under Linux : a) Support for old binaries ( SCO Unix Sys V/ Xenix ). We have used old ibcs as well as present linux-abi modules to get some of our application running with a big load of users accessing the same. b) Still looking for a non-GUI word processor which is simple to use, implements curses/ncurses efficiently for screen handling, uses simple fonts ( or no font at all !!) to give speedy outputs of big documents speedily on DMPs. We have not yet found anything remotely similar to the good old SCO Lyrix OR Uniplex wordprocessors. If someone has any suggestion on this it is welcome. c) Method of printing simple text under Star office OR Open Office. This is linked to previous section subject. d) Bilingual support. We are trying out Indix. Lastly we would like some suggestions regarding a workshop we plan to hold for Judges ficers of the Courts sometime around Nov. 17-19. One session is planned on Linux and as the audience would be general users the presentations are proposed to be a of a general nature. I am contemplating getting either to get Red Hat technical persons to handle this OR may be any of you Luggers having the time !! Kindly feel free to mail me. Regards - Mohan Krishnan Technical Director Computer Centre, High Court Mumbai - 400 032 Phone : 2676751

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Printing & Diskusage.
by Rajesh Prakasan 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Hi, How will I generate userwise priting usage( No of pages printed) in linux & the disk space usage. Is any one does this, please help me. thanks, Rajesh.

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[ACM] Seminar on Autotools
by Philip S Tellis 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Date: Friday 25th October, 2002 Venue: NCST Juhu Time: 6:30 pm Entrance free. I will be giving a seminar on autotools. Be there. Search archives for directions, etc. Philip -- Weinberg's Principle: An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy.

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Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #646 - 14 msgs
by P.V. Mohan Krishnan 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Thanks a lot for the encouraging feedback recvd. from many of you to my mail on this forum. I would try to reply individually to those who had mailed me in such manner ASAP. We will definitly try to make use of your offers for helping us educate the users on Linux. I would be interacting with the senior officers here and get back to you reg. the specifics like the date of the workshop etc. At this stage it would be pertinent to note that considering the financial constraints the Courts are working under, we would not be looking at paid consultancy services from anyone and I would therefore request individuals not to contact me with offers of such nature. Would prefer mails to educate me of any such services which could be used later. Coming to some technical inputs recvd. reg. the wordprocessor issue, yes we require a full fledged wordproccessor and VIM etc dont qualify under that. Remember that we to provide users with easy to use tools with illustrative help and not things which would require macro usage etc. I plan to get emacs checked out. But i would suggest some of you luggers who are interested in this matter to meet me and have a look at the sort of wordprocessor we r using and compare that with their suggestions !!! - Mohan Krishnan --

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Event
by Kamlesh Shah 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Hi.. All Is there any meeting of event where we can meet and discuss on LINUX. It is good to know about Linux being used by govt. bodies. Regards Kamlesh Shah

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Linux in courts
by jitendra 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Dear P. V. Mohan Krishnan I am thrilled that the High Court have adopted the Linux path. I am a teacher at VJTI and would offer my services to the High Court. Being a govt duty , this should not cost you anything provided correct levers are activated . I feel there is a need for some expert knowledge and also of spreading of the . Though I love linux, I am not the expert. I do however feel I can help as intermediate and as trainer and troubleshooter at various levels.I also have access to students who can do the necessary problem solving. As far as training is concerned we will have to look for some one who has already tuned the emacs for the needs of highcourt typists. The requirements will have to be studied translated into features that emacs can achieve.Accordingly the macros (.emacs files) will have to be built. Different set of typists (those who take dictation from the Court and those who maintain registers , those who maintain web-sites, those who deal with lawyers, those who do office book-keeping etc, all will have different needs. Using these different macros, getting the users comfortable with these, and modifying them after usage for some time will eveolve. also making sure that they don't see this as labour displacement will be the HR role to be played skill fully . It is here that some systematic and mature thinking will have to be applied. I would love to be part of the effort. Another major issue that needs to be considered is that the court may create their content in Unicode. More over the court has also to deal with indian languages. Particularly the proceedings at the lower courts are in local language and correspondence with them also. The RedHat Version 8.0 has better support for this. Recently the font issue has been more or less resolved. This will ensure compatibility with future applications. As said again, I remain open to correction, but feel linuxers in Mumbai have a golden opportunity to prove how they can useful to the community. My contact nos are Res: 8578943 Office, VJTI Mech Engg: 4151791 email: jitendras(a)vsnl.com Jitendra Shah

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Intel Developer Forum - Mumbai (fwd)
by Frederick Noronha 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Participate in Intel's Worldwide Developer Program - Intel Developer Forum - which will take centre stage on October 29th 2002, in Mumbai. It is a unique opportunity for developers to get equipped with resources critical for the business success. The event will feature keynote from the Chief Technology Officer of Intel, track sessions and technology labs. You will take back with you great new ideas and firm views about designing for the future. [box_news_fea.gif] Intel Leadership Keynote by Patrick Gelsinger, Vice President and Chief Technology Officer, Intel Corporation on Driving Convergence through Silicon Integration. Infrastructure Keynote by Abhijit Y. Talwalkar, Vice President of Enterprise Platforms Group, Intel Corporation on Internet Infrastructure: Server Modularization & Communication Integration Industry Keynote by Kesav V. Nori, Chief Technology Officer, Tata Consultancy Services on the Indian software industry vision and some challenges posed to the software community. Hands-on experience at Technology Labs Technology showcase featuring new technologies, developments and initiatives from a wide range of companies [box_news_dot.gif] [spacer(1).gif] To confirm your presence at IDF, reserve a seat by filling this form. Mandatory fields * [FORM] *Name *Designation *Company *Address *City *Pin code *Phone No. Fax *E-Mail Conference fee - Rs.1000/- per delegate 50% discount on 6 or more registrations. [spacer.gif] [box_news_dot.gif] [box_news_age1.gif] 09:15 � 10:00 Registrations 10:00 � 10:10 Introduction Avtar Saini, Director, South Asia, Intel Asia Electronics, Inc. 10:10 � 11:05 Intel Leadership Keynote Patrick Gelsinger, Vice President and Chief Technology Officer, Intel Corporation 11:05 � 11:35 Industry Keynote Kesav V. Nori, Chief Information Officer, Tata Consultancy Services 11:35 � 11:50 Tea Break 11:50 � 12:50 Infrastructure Keynote Abhijit Y. Talwalkar, Vice President of Enterprise Platforms Group, Intel Corporation 12:50 � 14:30 Lunch and Showcase 14:30 � 17:45 Track 1 Track 2 Track 3 Track 4 Architectures for the Enterprise Software Solutions Communications & Wireless Technology Labs 17:45 � 18:45 High Tea and Close [box_news_dot.gif] Back to Top [spacer.gif] [spacer.gif] *Legal Information | Privacy Policy �2002 Intel Corporation [spacer.gif] [spacer.gif] [spacer.gif] [corner_footer.gif]

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help in Zope
by Sachin 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

hi guys i have uploaded my php [basic] presentation on http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/Volunteer/Members/sachin/PHP/ Now how to make it publically viewable pls can u throw some lights on the Zope regards sachin -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= sachin(a)mediaibc.com MediaIBC ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= The only real argument for marriage is that it remains the best method for getting acquainted. -- Heywood Broun ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

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